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Post by polyenne on 10.03.18 21:49

Having just watched the recording of the recent Rachel
Nickel documentry, I’m surprised poor Colin Stagg isn’t on the list.

Did anyone watch that ? Why was I not surprised ?

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Post by Verdi on 10.03.18 23:56

There's always room for more suspects on the Operation Grange rogues gallery - the more the merrier.

This could prolong the agony for an eternity.

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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

Post by Mark Willis on 11.03.18 7:44

@Verdi wrote:There's always room for more suspects on the Operation Grange rogues gallery - the more the merrier.

This could prolong the agony for an eternity.
Remind you of anything?
Like the ouroborus....
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Post by Mark Willis on 11.03.18 7:54

Or maybe this...
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

Post by Verdi on 30.03.18 0:36

Lest they forget..

Update on the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
Oct 28, 2015 14:49 GMT

The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has today, 28 October announced the new structure and changes to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The investigation into what happened to Madeleine continues but with a smaller team of officers. Officers investigating her disappearance have completed the huge task of bringing together and investigating the massive amount of information held by colleagues in Portugal, the United Kingdom investigation and the private investigators working on behalf of the McCann family.

They are now following a small number of focused lines of inquiry that have allowed them to reduce the size of the Home Office funded team.

Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007 have been working through material and following investigative inquiries since the Home Office requested a review of the case in May 2011.

Operation Grange is working to support the Portuguese investigation and this work continues.

While there remain lines of inquiry to follow, the vast majority of the work by Operation Grange has been completed.

This work included reviewing all the material relating to the case which were brought together for the first time and amounted to collating over 40,000 documents from United Kingdom and foreign law enforcement agencies, as well as various private investigation companies.

Officers worked meticulously through the information. Some of the material had to be translated into English, facts had to be cross-referred and diligently analysed to ensure an oversight of what the MPS was examining and to search for new lines of inquiry.

Once this work had been completed the review became a full investigation in July 2012.

The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits. Having reviewed all of the documents, 7,154 actions were raised and 560 lines of enquiry identified, and over thirty international request to countries across the world asking for work to be undertaken on behalf of the Met.

Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world.

The Grange team received on average two hundred emails a week, and following the media appeal in October 2013 across three countries, received over 7,000 responses.

For an investigation of this size, the extraordinary circumstances of investigating a missing child four years later in another country, the vast wealth of information and theories, it was always going to be an immense task and required a full team of 29 staff working on it.

With the significant amount of work approaching completion, as with all investigations the MPS has reviewed the staff required to progress the remaining work.

A team of four officers will continue to work solely on the Grange investigation, funded by the Home Office. The enquiry has not reached a conclusion, there are still focused lines of investigation to be pursued.

The officers will continue to be overseen by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall, the current senior investigating officer, and sit within an existing major investigation team on the Homicide and Major Crime Command. This will give them access to officers within that team should they be required to support further operational activity.

Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, from the MPS said: "The Met investigation has been painstaking and thorough and has for the first time brought together in one place what was disparate information across the world.

"This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her.

"We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case. We have given this assurance to Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

"The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry. They have extended every courtesy to Operation Grange and we maintain a close working relationship. I know they remain fully committed to investigating Madeleine's disappearance with support from the Metropolitan Police.

"The Met was asked to take on this exceptional case as one of national interest. We were happy to bring our expertise to bear only on the basis that it would not detract from the policing of London; and the Home Office have additionally funded the investigation above normal grants to the Met. That will continue at the reduced level.

"I have overseen this investigation since 2012 and am very grateful for the enormous assistance of the media and public so far which, through the appeals, have generated new information and lines of Inquiry. "

Our decision and rationale has been discussed with Mr and Mrs McCann.

Mr and Mrs McCann said: "We would like to thank all the staff from Operation Grange for the meticulous and painstaking work that they have carried out over the last four and a half years. The scale and difficulty of their task has never been in doubt.

"We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in Praia da Luz leading up to Madeleine's abduction in 2007.

"Given that the review phase of the investigation is essentially completed, we fully understand the reasons why the team is being reduced.

"We would also like to thank the Home Office for continuing to support the investigation.

"Whilst we do not know what happened to Madeleine, we remain hopeful that she may still be found given the ongoing lines of enquiry. "

The remaining Operation Grange officers will be deployed to other enquiries within Specialist Crime and Operations.

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Note:  This update was published by the Metropolitan Police two years and five months ago.  Why has the Operation Grange been allocated yet another Home Office grant to continue this charade?

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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

Post by Verdi on 06.04.18 0:22

It's official..

Police Oracle Newsletter - 1st April 2018

Home Office confirms further money for Madeleine McCann investigation

The then three year old disappeared more than a decade ago in Praia da Luz, Portugal

By Press Association

Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will be given more funding for the search.  

The Home Office has confirmed the application from the Metropolitan Police for more money to fund Operation Grange ....
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Sorry, can't continue the article - problem with site log-in.  Still, what more needs to be known?

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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

Post by Yorkshirgel on 27.06.18 20:43

Well good luck to him for getting to where he is now I say.  Mum did a great job so well done to her too.  However, that said, these documentaries about policemen look like everyone is playing tough for the camera, in other words a bit contrived.  Especially the one about policing in Manchester.  I agree with his point about overweight policemen/women puffing and panting trying to catch up with young fit teenager criminals.  It makes them look stupid.  Well spotted about the 'camera in the back seat' on the Scotland Yard one....see what I mean?  Just happened to be one there aye.  Also the debt collector ones are filmed like a reality show too.  Cheap and easy on the budget.  

Personally I think the police in Portugal 'investigating' the McCann case should be brought home until more evidence comes to light.  They are doing no good there and they have no authority there so what is the point of them being there?  Any evidence they might have found is long gone.  How have the Macs got away with this for so long?  Anyone with half a brain can see that some things do not ring true.  As Gerry says, 'Confusion is good'.  Well so far it has protected them hasn't it, along with a little bit of help from their well heeled friends in high places.

Anyone who feels that they 'failed the 11+' should remember that schools only have so many places so a line is drawn at that point in the list and those above go to the Grammar/High school and those below go to the Secondary Modern or the Comprehensive.  You might be just as clever as those who go, even just half a mark below, but as you are below the line they cannot take you.  Two solutions.  Make the State schools better;  Provide more places at Grammar/High schools.  Slightly off topic but it was mentioned in the policeman's story about his past.  Politics comes in to this too.  I know people who came below the line who now have PhDs so that proves my point.
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

Post by Verdi on 27.06.18 21:24

@Yorkshirgel - what are you talking about? This thread is supposed to be about Operation Grange, has there been a documentary made about them? I'd be very interested to see if there is.

Where do you get the idea that British police are in Portugal investigating the case of Madeleine McCann? They are not - as I've already said, they left Portugal at the time the McCanns were made arguidos, around August/September 2007. Operation Grange are based at Belgravia in London.

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Operation Grange Funding

Post by willowthewisp on 15.08.18 11:36

Nearly September,time for more letters to the Home Office,

Dear Mr Javid,can we have some more funding for the continuation to mislead the public,on "Operation Grange"Bollock's?
Another £154,000. wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by Verdi on 02.09.18 13:41

Belgravia Police Station Closing



PC Mark King from Westminster Police · 14 Mar 2018

We have received a number of enquiries in relation to Belgravia Police Station and so wanted to clarify the current position.

This is all part of the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) and the Mayor’s Office for Policing And Crime (MOPAC) ambition to make a significant investment into a smaller and improved police estate across London.

In Westminster this includes a £35 million refurbishment of Charing Cross Police Station, plus the provision of a replacement front counter and Dedicated Ward Officer Hub at Church Street, both of which have already been approved, enabling the consolidation of the local estate.

Belgravia Police Station is currently underused with a significant part of it not used at all; the building is in a very poor state of repair.

The investment in the wider estate means that Belgravia Police Station is no longer required in our long-term estate plans. The emergency response team will relocate into the newly refurbished Charing Cross once complete; this will have no impact on our response times as our cars respond to calls whilst out in vehicles and not from a building. Our Dedicated Ward Officers (DWO) serving the area around Belgravia Police Station will remain located within the Belgravia community in a new DWO hub - across London we will be finding DWO hubs which are smaller local facilities in shared buildings enabling Dedicated Ward Officers to get changed, pick up equipment and start their shifts closer to their wards. The Belgravia DWO hub will be operational before the police station is closed.

Whilst we undertake the refurbishment of Charing Cross, Belgravia Police Station will be used as a temporary location for officers whilst the works take place. The refurbishment is anticipated to be complete in 2020.

This investment will ensure that we provide modern, 21st century police buildings which facilitate smarter working, maximise the use of IT and digital policing and help to create a more mobile, agile, collaborative and modern police force.

This is part of a wider strategy to consolidate the number of principal police buildings and focus £56 million of property savings into frontline policing (equivalent to one thousand police officers).

Our local operational teams will be in touch to reassure local communities that there will be no impact on day to day, neighbourhood policing.

https://nextdoor.co.uk/agency-post/england/london/mpswestminster/belgravia-police-station-closing-17592189268305/


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Post by willowthewisp on 02.09.18 14:07

Hi Verdi,works out to £56,000 per officer,so for Operation Grange,£168,000 September 2018/March 2019,thank you Mr Javid,love and kisses from Kate,Gerry,LOL?
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Post by Verdi on 02.09.18 21:54

Belgravia Police Station is currently underused with a significant part of it not used at all; the building is in a very poor state of repair.

Well I would agree that the broom cupboard occupied by Operation Grange is a waste of valuable dilapidated space but what about the workers! Are they seriously suggesting that the district that houses the aristocracy and the wealthy is comparatively free from crime?

What about the great siege of the Libyan Embassy, following the murder of a Metropolitan police officer back in the 1980's, that lasted for ten months?

What about the Queen's pad round the corner that attracts a host of weirdos per annum (within and without)?

What about the exclusive club 'The Pheasantry' on the King's Road just along the way - that's attracted some pretty dodgy members and funny goings on over the years?

What about the gay pub across the road - some mighty odd things went on in there after hours I might tell you?

What about the boutique round the corner where Princess Anne buys her under-cover made to measure under jodhpurs frilly knickers?

What about the security of Harvey Nics dwarling?

What about top security surveillance of tricky Dicky Branson's exclusive luxury Kensington Roof Gardens, that generously hosted the McCanns charity bash?

Not suggesting for a moment that the embarrassment of Operation Grange is a reason for closure of the Belgravia police station but I see it as a very convenient cop out (pun intended). They don't need to openly admit that Operation Grange has been dumped, they only need say that the hunt (do I hate the use of that word) for Madeleine McCann continues but future operations and funding will be absorbed by operational staff at the newly refurbished Charing Cross police station.

Mission accomplished!

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Post by willowthewisp on 03.09.18 13:49

Hi Verdi, not forgetting the safety needed to protect those reams of evidenced notes,that have a distinct knack of becoming unavailable when needed for Cross examination?

Just like what has happened to the Murder and Unsolved murders around London,Stephen Lawrence,Daniel Morgan,Jill Dando(where Mark William's Thomas,has 52,000 pages) of Police files on a still open case?

Its so hard to keep track of evidence,when you keep moving it around to different Police buildings,Not deliberate then,"just Accidental"wink ,wink?
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Post by Verdi on 03.09.18 15:33

Television adaptation of Little Dorritt by Charles Dickens [circa. 1855-1857]



Nothing changes does it.

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Post by Verdi on 13.09.18 21:30

Whilst we await the next bn rollox from the world's finest - a reminder of where well in excess of 14million quid of public money has been squandered..

AC Mark Rowley reflects on the tenth anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
Blog post • Apr 25, 2017 21:00 BST


Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley



As an investigation team we are only too aware of the significance of dates and anniversaries. Whatever the inquiry, we want to get answers for everyone involved.

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann is no different in that respect but of course the circumstances and the huge public interest, make this a unique case for us as police officers to deal with. In a missing child inquiry every day is agony and an anniversary brings this into sharp focus. Our thoughts are with Madeleine's family at this time - as it is with any family in a missing person’s inquiry - and that drives our commitment to do everything we can for her.

On 3rd May 2017, it will be 10 years since Madeleine vanished from her apartment in Praia Da Luz, a small town on the Algarve. In the immediate hours following her disappearance, an extensive search commenced involving the local police, community and tourists. This led to an investigation that has involved police services across Europe and beyond, experts in many fields, the world’s media and the public, which continues to this day. The image of Madeleine remains instantly recognisable in many countries across the world.

The Met’s dedicated team of four detectives, continues to work closely on the outstanding enquiries along with colleagues of the Portuguese Policia Judiciária. Our relationship with the Policia Judiciária is good. We continue to work together and this is helping us to move forward the investigation.

We don't have evidence telling us if Madeleine is alive or dead. It is a missing person’s inquiry but as a team we are realistic about what we might be dealing with - especially as months turn to years.

Now is a time we can reflect on an investigation which captured an unprecedented amount of media coverage and interest. The enormity of scale and the complexity of such a case brings along its own challenges, not least learning to work with colleagues who operate under a very different legal system. The inquiry has been, and continues to be helped and supported by many organisations and individuals. We acknowledge the difference these contributions have made to the investigation and would like it known that we appreciate all the support we have and continue to receive.

Since the Met was instructed by the Home Office to review the case in 2011, we have reviewed all the material gathered from multiple sources since 2007. This amounted to over 40,000 documents out of which thousands of enquiries were generated. We continue to receive information on a daily basis, all of which is assessed and actioned for enquiries to be conducted.

We have appealed on four BBC Crimewatch programmes since April 2012. This included an age progression image which resulted in hundreds of calls about alleged sightings of Madeleine; an appeal for the identity of possibly relevant individuals through description or Efit; and information sought relating to suspicious behaviour or offences of burglary. These programmes collectively produced a fantastic response from the public. The thousands of calls and information enabled detectives to progress a number of enquiries. This was in addition to over 3,000 holiday photographs from the public in response to an earlier appeal.

The team has looked at in excess of 600 individuals who were identified as being potentially significant to the disappearance. In 2013 the team identified four individuals they declared to be suspects in the case. This led to interviews at a police station in Faro facilitated by the local Policia Judiciária and the search of a large area of wasteland which is close to Madeleine's apartment in Praia Da Luz. The enquiries did not find any evidence to further implicate the individuals in the disappearance and so they are no longer subject of further investigation.

We will not comment on other parts of our investigation - it does not help the teams investigating to give a commentary on those aspects. I am pleased to say that our relationship with the Portuguese investigators is better than ever and this is paying dividends in the progress all of us are making.

We are often asked about funding and you can see that we are now a much smaller team. We know we have the funding to look at the focused enquiry we are pursuing.

Of course we always want information and we can't rule out making new appeals if that is required. However, right now, new appeals or prompts to the public are not in the interest of what we are trying to achieve.

As detectives, we will always be extremely disappointed when we are unable to provide an explanation of what happened. However the work carried out by Portuguese and Met officers in reviewing material and reopening the investigation has been successful in taking a number of lines of interest to their conclusion. That work has provided important answers.

Right now we are committed to taking the current inquiry as far as we possibly can and we are confident that will happen. Ultimately this, and the previous work, gives all of us the very best chance of getting the answers – although we must, of course, remember that no investigation can guarantee to provide a definitive conclusion.

However the Met, jointly with colleagues from the Policia Judiciária continue the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann with focus and determination.

http://news.met.police.uk/blog_posts/ac-mark-rowley-reflects-on-the-tenth-anniversary-of-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-56775#related

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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

Post by jazega on 22.09.18 9:58

It is an investigation and review run by the Metropolitan Police.
If the Met have been in detailed communication,information sharing,etc,and still promoting the abduction theory,well there will never be closure and justice for Madeleine,unless they are keeping their cards close to their chest.

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Post by Verdi on 22.09.18 12:39

@jazega wrote:It is an investigation and review run by the Metropolitan Police.
No it isn't !!! 

Portugal hold primacy over this investigation, the UK police have no jurisdiction to investigate the case of missing Madeleine McCann.  Their interference here (and that's just what it is, interference) is quasi-legal, unless they are investigating an avenue that concerns home territory, like the legitimacy of the 'Fund' slash limited company and/or the prevalent pandemic child abuse disease.

The UK in whatever guise, be it the Home Office, the Metropolitan Police, Leicestershire Constabulary nor any of the many nationwide forces dragged into the foray, were/are assigned as UK coordinators for Portugal - they are assistants not management.

The letter sent to PAG by the MMRG containing new evidence for consideration by the Portuguese, kindly translated by Paulo Reis, has nothing to do with the Metropolitan Police.  Although much of this new evidence has also been sent to UK authorities - as to be expected, it fell on stony ground as it doesn't conform to the required remit.

That aside, I should be very interested to see where it has been stated that the PJ - officially that is, not via UK media - are jointly investigating the abduction theory, or any other theory for that matter.

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Post by jazega on 22.09.18 13:05

I am well aware that Portugal are in charge of the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
I am also aware of the remit of OG.
Operation Grange is a separate investigation/review by the UK,is it not ?,if it is not ,then what is it. 
I did not write that the PJ were jointly investigating the abduction theory.
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operation grange

Post by willowthewisp on 22.09.18 14:26

So this could be a reason for all the Obfuscation for the past Ten years of a "Non Investigation"a Last,Crime Watch Special,to cause further confusion as to what Operation Grange are supposed to be doing?

Cannot solve the Crime, so move the times to fit an alleged Crime,a Scotland Yard Speciality?

Which adds further to collusion between the UK Government,Sky,Sun representatives,Murdoch clan,empire,Martin Brunt,Mrs Brenda Leyland,Dossier to Sir Bernard from a McCann family member.

I suppose the best outcome is to give them as much rope as they need?

It is just a pity,the gulliable public have been duped,misinformed and misread the Metropolitan Police Service Investigation Remit stated-Abduction,where they could have been telling "Porkies"all along?
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

Post by Verdi on 03.10.18 2:23

Pending yet another stay of execution from the gallows pole for the now aptly named infamous Operation Grange - pending v. pondering..

Apart from the irritating, nauseating ever present Eddie and Keela - has Operation Grange ever pondered the broken shutter/open window/swooshing curtain enigma?  The one that Ms Healy continued to promote right up until the 10th anniversary extravaganza and most likely to this present day given the opportunity?

Were they in awe of the many glaring inconsistencies apparent in the witness statements of the Mcanns and their faithful friends?  Did they wonder at the complexity of Ocean Club childcare workers convoluting testimonies or the miraculous appearance of Madeleine across the globe with little or no evidence to follow but the word of a random witness eagerly promoted by a dubious private detective hired by the McCann faction?  Did the mysterious sudden appearance of witnesses and sightings give them cause for concern - witnesses and sightings seemingly created for a specific reason - for effect?

The initial remit was to  coordinate, to centralize, to review all documentation concerning the case - why then was Operation Grange so selective as to the documentation worthy, or not, of further diligence?  Why is Operation Grange from May 2011 to this very day, refusing to acknowledge compelling evidence in connection with the disappearance of little Madeleine McCann?  Why is Operation Grange to this very day, feigning an investigation into the disappearance of little Madeleine McCann when they have no authority so to do - the case is out of UK jurisdiction.

There's naivety, gross stupidity, misguided intelligence and then there is .... rollox?

Pending v. Pondering indeed.

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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

Post by Tony Bennett on 03.10.18 6:37

FWIW - The self-styled 'Queen of Portugal', viz Isabelle McFadden, has excitedly tweeted overnight that she has spoken to an officer named 'Mark' at Operation Grange.

He has reassured her that Operation Grange is a genuine, wholehearted search for the truth and that all the money spent so far, and the extra money allocated this last week, is fully justified to find the answer to what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

As I say..

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Post by Jill Havern on 03.10.18 6:52

Now why didn't you think about doing that Tony, now that we know Operation Grange is willing to give out investigative information to members of the public?

Maybe you could phone 'Mark' aswell?

Didn't Natasha publish an article the other day saying the 'Plug had been pulled on further funding'?

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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

Post by Verity on 03.10.18 8:16

@Tony Bennett wrote:FWIW - The self-styled 'Queen of Portugal', viz Isabelle McFadden, has excitedly tweeted overnight that she has spoken to an officer named 'Mark' at Operation Grange.

He has reassured her that Operation Grange is a genuine, wholehearted search for the truth and that all the money spent so far, and the extra money allocated this last week, is fully justified to find the answer to what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

As I say..

...FWIW
Mark is hardly going to say "Nope, it's a government cover up, but please don't tweet it on the #McCann".

Keep it to yourself Mrs McFadden, and please don't tell anyone on twitter my name's Mark, just in case DCI Wall gets to know I've been leaking information.

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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

Post by BlueBag on 03.10.18 8:32

There are only four officers left on OG.

Allegedly.

"Mark"... we need an investigation.
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

Post by Tony Cadogan on 03.10.18 10:01

@Verity wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:FWIW - The self-styled 'Queen of Portugal', viz Isabelle McFadden, has excitedly tweeted overnight that she has spoken to an officer named 'Mark' at Operation Grange.

He has reassured her that Operation Grange is a genuine, wholehearted search for the truth and that all the money spent so far, and the extra money allocated this last week, is fully justified to find the answer to what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

As I say..

...FWIW
Mark is hardly going to say "Nope, it's a government cover up, but please don't tweet it on the #McCann".

Keep it to yourself Mrs McFadden, and please don't tell anyone on twitter my name's Mark, just in case DCI Wall gets to know I've been leaking information.

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Verily shhh…, Verity.

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