"Meeting on the Maddie case between British police and Portuguese authorities"

inspirespirit wrote:The police over in Portugal.... Must mean the Amaral v McCann case is coming to it's conclusion.   Weird how they always seem to end up over there when there's about to be a Court decision or Statement.

jeanmonroe wrote:"PROGRESS" report?

Should be very, very, 'quick' meeting then!

PJ: "have you re-interviewed the T9?"

SY: "NO, why would we?. Our ex boss, DCI Mahogany, cleared them of all/any 'involvement' years ago"

PJ: "Cya"

eta: suppose the 'trip' serves a 'purpose' of 'sorts''........................'duty frees' all round!

HelenMeg wrote:At the same time this could be encouraging. No fanfare from SY - just quietly reported in Portugal. A meeting to discuss progress - no antagonism... sounds good

jeanmonroe wrote:Child Sexual Exploitation Awareness Day - March 18

ACPO.

Jeeeez!

Mainly ALL 'recent' exposures, on child 'exploitation' have 'involved' POLICE OFFICERS, themselves!

'participating in or covering up'

I think we should have an 'Uncover a bent cop' Awareness Day!

jeanmonroe wrote:Child Sexual Exploitation Awareness Day - March 18

ACPO.

Jeeeez!

Mainly ALL 'recent' exposures, on child 'exploitation' have 'involved' POLICE OFFICERS, themselves!

'participating in or covering up'

I think we should have an 'Uncover a bent cop' Awareness Day!

fz2 wrote:

jeanmonroe wrote:Child Sexual Exploitation Awareness Day - March 18

ACPO.

Jeeeez!

Mainly ALL 'recent' exposures, on child 'exploitation' have 'involved' POLICE OFFICERS, themselves!

'participating in or covering up'

I think we should have an 'Uncover a bent cop' Awareness Day!

I think we should have an 'Uncover a bent cop' Awareness Day!
A day would not be long enough, "month" may cover it tho.

NickE wrote:A working meeting with the Portuguese authorities to strengthen cooperation in searches. 


By Tania Laranjo 
"Hour and a half meeting. The stage was the Attorney General's Office; the protagonists, British and Portuguese authorities. The goal was the same as has already caused other such meetings. Strengthen the link between the authorities of both countries, cementing bonds that allow a joint investigation to clarify the Maddie case. The leader of the British police team, Nicola Wall, was one of attending the meeting. The side of the Judicial Police, the representation was taken by Pedro do Carmo magistrate, assistant national director. Also the attorney general district and the investigation of the holder which remains open in Faro County were present. 
It was also asked to participate a representative of the Attorney General of the English Republic and the British ambassador. This was the second meeting of Nicola Wall with the highest representatives of the process. 
The English provincial happened late last year to Andy Redwood, who retired from the Metropolitan Police Service. Nicola Wall transferred from the Homicide and Serious Crimes division to Grange operation, investigating the disappearance of British child, the May 3, 2007, the room where he slept with two twin brothers, younger, in an apartment of a tourist village, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve. 
The case was closed and then reopened, but nothing new was found, all scenarios remain open". 

Translated with google.
Ler mais em: http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pgr_recebe_ingleses.html

Tony Bennett wrote:

NickE wrote:A working meeting with the Portuguese authorities to strengthen cooperation in searches. 


By Tania Laranjo 
"Hour and a half meeting. The stage was the Attorney General's Office; the protagonists, British and Portuguese authorities. The goal was the same as has already caused other such meetings. Strengthen the link between the authorities of both countries, cementing bonds that allow a joint investigation to clarify the Maddie case. The leader of the British police team, Nicola Wall, was one of attending the meeting. The side of the Judicial Police, the representation was taken by Pedro do Carmo magistrate, assistant national director. Also the attorney general district and the investigation of the holder which remains open in Faro County were present. 
It was also asked to participate a representative of the Attorney General of the English Republic and the British ambassador. This was the second meeting of Nicola Wall with the highest representatives of the process. 
The English provincial happened late last year to Andy Redwood, who retired from the Metropolitan Police Service. Nicola Wall transferred from the Homicide and Serious Crimes division to Grange operation, investigating the disappearance of British child, the May 3, 2007, the room where he slept with two twin brothers, younger, in an apartment of a tourist village, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve. 
The case was closed and then reopened, but nothing new was found, all scenarios remain open". 

Translated with google.
Ler mais em: http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pgr_recebe_ingleses.html

Thank you once again for posting this news, NickE, it's very helpful.

As G-Unit has rightly questioned, and if the translation is correct in suggesting that someone from the U.K. Attorney-General's Department AND the British Ambassador were present at this meeting, it is clearly significant.

But in what way?

Suppose that the British police were just plodding on, trying to establish who the abductor was, but not having established yet who it was that took Madeleine. Would such a high-level conference really be necessary? I suggest 'NO'.

That leaves four possibilities, I think:

1. Operation Grange has finally decided who the abductor is, he is alive, and Grange wants the full co-operation of the Portuguese authorities to arrest, charge and prosecute him, or          

2. Operation Grange has finally decided who the abductor is, he is dead, and Grange want the co-operation of the Portuguese police to rubber-stamp its identification of the abductor - with a view to a press conference and formal announcement to that effect in the coming weeks or months, or    

3. The McCanns and the Tapas 7 are in the frame and exceptional measures need to be discussed as to how to bring them to justice 

4. This is a continuing cover-up at the very highest level in both the U.K. and Portugal, and they all need to get their heads together to work out how to bring this expensive charade to an end.


I still suggest that the evidence points to No. 4

Mo wrote:Do you think then Tony that the U.K. Attorney-General's Department and the British Ambassador have been invited to clear the McCanns and Tapas 7 once and for all?

Tony Bennett wrote:

Mo wrote:Do you think then Tony that the U.K. Attorney-General's Department and the British Ambassador have been invited to clear the McCanns and Tapas 7 once and for all?

YES. I think DCI Nicola Wall will have presented her provisional conclusion to the meeting - "probably burglar who murdered Madeleine in G5A and then carried her off and was seen by the Smiths...unfortunately he may never be found" - and all those present at last week's meeting (who will I am sure have been heavily briefed from the highest level in both the U.K. and Portugal) were probably just there to discuss the timing of any formal announcement, possibly planning simultaneous announcements in both countries. It will be announced that both of the formal investigations (U.K. and Portugal) will be closed again -'unless there is new and credible evidence'. They might even be discussing how to announce the news on a 'good day to bury bad news'.

The McCanns will be informed well in advance and will be prepared, with a statement paying tribute to the Met Police for 'having done all that they possibly can', probably adding: 'But we still have hope...'

noseyparker wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Mo wrote:Do you think then Tony that the U.K. Attorney-General's Department and the British Ambassador have been invited to clear the McCanns and Tapas 7 once and for all?

YES. I think DCI Nicola Wall will have presented her provisional conclusion to the meeting - "probably burglar who murdered Madeleine in G5A and then carried her off and was seen by the Smiths...unfortunately he may never be found" - and all those present at last week's meeting (who will I am sure have been heavily briefed from the highest level in both the U.K. and Portugal) were probably just there to discuss the timing of any formal announcement, possibly planning simultaneous announcements in both countries. It will be announced that both of the formal investigations (U.K. and Portugal) will be closed again -'unless there is new and credible evidence'. They might even be discussing how to announce the news on a 'good day to bury bad news'.

The McCanns will be informed well in advance and will be prepared, with a statement paying tribute to the Met Police for 'having done all that they possibly can', probably adding: 'But we still have hope...'

If that is what's happening, wouldn't there have to be an inquest by a Coroner?

Tony Bennett wrote:




P.S. Have you reconsidered your support for Robert Green yet?

NickE wrote:A working meeting with the Portuguese authorities to strengthen cooperation in searches. 


By Tania Laranjo 
"Hour and a half meeting. The stage was the Attorney General's Office; the protagonists, British and Portuguese authorities. The goal was the same as has already caused other such meetings. Strengthen the link between the authorities of both countries, cementing bonds that allow a joint investigation to clarify the Maddie case. The leader of the British police team, Nicola Wall, was one of attending the meeting. The side of the Judicial Police, the representation was taken by Pedro do Carmo magistrate, assistant national director. Also the attorney general district and the investigation of the holder which remains open in Faro County were present. 
It was also asked to participate a representative of the Attorney General of the English Republic and the British ambassador. This was the second meeting of Nicola Wall with the highest representatives of the process. 
The English provincial happened late last year to Andy Redwood, who retired from the Metropolitan Police Service. Nicola Wall transferred from the Homicide and Serious Crimes division to Grange operation, investigating the disappearance of British child, the May 3, 2007, the room where he slept with two twin brothers, younger, in an apartment of a tourist village, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve. 
The case was closed and then reopened, but nothing new was found, all scenarios remain open". 

Translated with google.
Ler mais em: http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pgr_recebe_ingleses.html

aiyoyo wrote:

NickE wrote:A working meeting with the Portuguese authorities to strengthen cooperation in searches. 


By Tania Laranjo 
"Hour and a half meeting. The stage was the Attorney General's Office; the protagonists, British and Portuguese authorities. The goal was the same as has already caused other such meetings. Strengthen the link between the authorities of both countries, cementing bonds that allow a joint investigation to clarify the Maddie case. The leader of the British police team, Nicola Wall, was one of attending the meeting. The side of the Judicial Police, the representation was taken by Pedro do Carmo magistrate, assistant national director. Also the attorney general district and the investigation of the holder which remains open in Faro County were present. 
It was also asked to participate a representative of the Attorney General of the English Republic and the British ambassador. This was the second meeting of Nicola Wall with the highest representatives of the process. 
The English provincial happened late last year to Andy Redwood, who retired from the Metropolitan Police Service. Nicola Wall transferred from the Homicide and Serious Crimes division to Grange operation, investigating the disappearance of British child, the May 3, 2007, the room where he slept with two twin brothers, younger, in an apartment of a tourist village, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve. 
The case was closed and then reopened, but nothing new was found, all scenarios remain open". 

Translated with google.
Ler mais em: http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pgr_recebe_ingleses.html

Thanks Nick E.

To summarise from that:

Meeting venue was at Attorney General's office 

In attendance :
Portuguese side - 
Pedro do Carmo, Magistrate 
Assistant National Director
District Attorney General 
Chief Investigator - Faro County 

UK side
DCI Nicola Wall
Attorney General
British Ambassador

Second meeting of this kind (with highest authorities ) by DCI Wall since she succeeded Redwood.

It is not the usual periodic operational meeting between PJ and Met Police.  
Given the designation of the attendees, it was a meeting involving people with the power to decide if the case can go forward to prosecution ie strength of case for court.

Involving the British Ambassador in the judiciary/law enforcement agencies meeting is a stange one.  Why would they need the British Ambassador there unless it has got to do with containing diplomatic issue - relationship sensitive issue - between the two countries.

Meeting with Magistrate/Prosecutor is a good sign, involving British Ambassador is also a good sign imv. Since if this is about prosecuting a swarthy smelly binman / burglar / foreigner oddball there would be no need to involve the British Ambassador.  

They have got to be looking at a prosecutable case against UK citizen/s to have involved diplomat.

Madeleine was three when she vanished from the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve in May 2007.