Re: New DCI

by Doug D 24.02.15 20:48

Whilst on the subject of ‘remits’, I have just posted on the Cliff Richard thread, this evenings Guardian article criticizing the Mail for their front page report this morning.

‘Former chief constable Andy Trotter says paper’s claims of South Yorkshire police incompetence and BBC dishonesty are wrong’

However in the article it is interesting to note that he says:

'I made no comment, whatsoever, about the BBC. That was not part of my remit.'

by XTC 24.02.15 22:55

plebgate wrote:I have asked before, but didn't get a reply (AFAIK) - was the remit set before the case became a SY INVESTIGATION?

Started off as a review but turned into an investigation.

Thanks to Tony for the info.

I hope I'm not being flippant here but which part of " as if THE abduction occurred in the UK "
are we not understanding?

From memory Alan Johnson ( Labour ) set up a ' Scoping ' exercise possibly to explore what was required by SY.

This developed into a Review ( Conservative/ Lib Dem Coalition) of the scoping?

Then after the remit was laid out ( Tony Bennett is right I think ) by Hamish Campbell et al, then the above the parameters
of the- as if the abduction occurred in the UK ' Investigation ' commenced.

Here we are and here SY are.

Because of the original abduction remit only other suspects can be considered as suspects. That is; the ' abductors ' ( in the crime of " abduction ") can only be away from someone who cannot be accused of abduction. Removal ( occultation - PJ ) maybe? but not abduction.

A parent can abduct their own child of course but this doesn't appear to be where the remits aim is, as the other potential removers are not at odds or in dispute with each other. That's what make the International Family Law Group interesting. They deal in cases of one parent taking a child away from the other parent. They don't deal with stranger abdcuction. It's curious as is the WOC issue vis ' ownership '
of the child who is missing.

I don't know how OG and SY are going to wrap this up - they have nowhere to go at this stage. Some say if Mr Amaral loses his case it will be easier to wwrap it up. If he wins the damages case it makes it harder. The fact is that SY can come up with as much potential evidence and as many " significant leads " as they like. The question is whether the PJ and the Portuguese legal Authorities will add this evidence to the files and proceed to the Prosecution phase? For a successful prosecution you need a lot of evidence. Oh and a suspect or suspects who
aren't ' the others.' outwith the remit parameters of the Investigation.

Basically as it's always been - you need more credible and useful evidence to progress further towards a prosecution in Portugal.

With SY's limited remit it is doomed to fail. How long this failure goes on for I don't know.

All opinion of course.

by jeanmonroe 02.03.15 13:59

'memo's' to DCI Wall:

Have you asked your 37 police staff, at OG, individually, "is it possible the McCanns or their T7 friends, or persons they know, were involved in Madeleine's 'disappearance'?"

Have you asked your 37 police staff, at OG, individually, "why is it impossible that the McCanns, or their T7 friends, or persons they know, were not involved, in Madeleine's 'disappearance'?"

by **Tony Bennett** 02.03.15 14:32

jeanmonroe wrote:'memos' to DCI Wall:

Have you asked your 37 police staff, at OG, individually, "is it possible the McCanns or their T7 friends, or persons they know, were involved in Madeleine's 'disappearance'?"

Have you asked your 37 police staff, at OG, individually, "why is it impossible that the McCanns, or their T7 friends, or persons they know, were not involved, in Madeleine's 'disappearance'?"

Further memo to DCI Nicola Wall:

1. Have you satisfied yourself that (a) 'Crecheman is a real person and (b) if so, have you satisfied yourself that he is telling you the God's honest truth about the man he says he saw carrying a child?

2. How sure are you that Martin Smith is telling you the truth?

3. Have you asked him why he kept changing his ideas about how old the man he saw was, '35-40', then '40', then '34 or 35' when he agreed for his evidence to go on the McCanns' website

4. Have you asked why he first of all said 'I never noticed what he was wearing above his waist', then said 'he was wearing a dark jacket', then said 'I didn't notice what he was wearing'?

5. Have you asked Marcos Aragao Correia and Antonio Giminez Raso who put them both up to carrying out the 'Arade Dam search for Maddie's bones' stunt?

6. Have you asked Brian Kennedy about his alleged intimidation of witnesses (Mark Hollingsworth article, August 2009)

7. Have you made a formal application to change your remit?

8. Are you aware of the criteria under which a police officer can be prosecuted for the criminal offences of (a) perverting the course of justice and (b) misconduct in public office?

Further memo to follow

by Loving Mom 04.03.15 8:11

Tony Bennett wrote:Further memo to DCI Nicola Wall:

7. Have you made a formal application to change your remit?

8. Are you aware of the criteria under which a police officer can be prosecuted for the criminal offences of (a) perverting the course of justice and (b) misconduct in public office?

Further memo to follow

Tony, I snipped the above because in my opinion, if DCI Wall answers yes to either of these two questions I feel certain the truth of whatever happened to Madeleine will come out. I'm wondering, if anyone involved has a conscience, someone has to do the right by Madeleine and I hope it's soon.

by **Tony Bennett** 04.03.15 9:00

Loving Mom wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:Further memo to DCI Nicola Wall:

7. Have you made a formal application to change your remit?

8. Are you aware of the criteria under which a police officer can be prosecuted for the criminal offences of (a) perverting the course of justice and (b) misconduct in public office?

Further memo to follow

Tony, I snipped the above because in my opinion, if DCI Wall answers yes to either of these two questions I feel certain the truth of whatever happened to Madeleine will come out. I'm wondering, if anyone involved has a conscience, someone has to do the right by Madeleine and I hope it's soon.

Look at all the police officers who received allegations from the public and were told to go no further by their senior officers.

Look at the corruption of senior police officers over Hillsborough.

Look at ongoing police corruption cases like those surrounding the killings of Daniel Morgan and Lee Balkwell.

Look at the Operation Tiberius report and the report on police corruption that wasburied by Leveson.

I am not optimistic.

But I will say that a group of us is actively raising these serious issues in the right quarters.

And there are still nearly 4 weeks left to add your name to this petition calling for an enquiry into Operation Grange and all the other strange 'investigations' in this case:

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There are 1,871 signatures on it already, and it has climbed to 144th in a list of over 6,000 petitions on the Prime Minister's website

by jeanmonroe 04.03.15 13:56

@TB

"Look at the corruption of senior police officers over Hillsborough"
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Police officers were told to put the blame for Hillsborough on "drunken, ticketless Liverpool supporters", the inquests into the disaster have heard.

Mr Davis said Ch Insp Bettison had told him it was "the biggest thing to happen in South Yorkshire Police" and it would benefit them "to be a part of what was going to happen in the wake of it".

He told the hearing Ch Supt Wain opened the briefing, held on the fifth floor of South Yorkshire Police headquarters in Sheffield.

Mr Davis said he was told by his boss to attend the meeting as it was a good chance to get noticed "career-wise".

Mr Davis said: "This was a very high-level briefing. It was, if you like, a lead-off, a start-off... I suppose it would be like a call to arms almost."

He told the hearing Ch Supt Wain had "clearly" been "given a job to do" and his orders would ONLY have come from the chief constable. ............................BETTISON?

Mr Davis said: "His words were, and I can almost remember them verbatim, that 'we were going to put the blame for this disaster where it belongs: on the drunken, ticketless Liverpool fans'.''

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Bettison, for me, was the 'bentest' Cop, ever, to ever wear a police uniform!

"proviso" Jury's 'out' on HC/SF/AR @ OG.

by Loving Mom 05.03.15 7:26

The majority of members of this forum are here for Madeleine and want the truth, whatever the truth is, and for the person(s) who know what happened to come forward. I am optimistic that someone will come forward, just my opinion.

@Tony: In order to sign the petition you have to be a UK citizen, since I am a USA citizen I am not able to sign...
Thanks for all you do to help find the truth.

by jeanmonroe 05.03.15 12:00

Just going back to DCI Redwood's 'tenure' at OG:

He (DCI Andrew Redwood) said "officers had carried out a forensic analysis of the timeline of events, and had identified opportunities when the child could have been taken in a criminal act."

Dismissing conspiracy theories about Madeleine's parents' involvement, Redwood said he believed, ('I believe'?) the girl's disappearance was the result of "a criminal act by a stranger".

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DCI Redwood said he believed the girl's disappearance was the result of "a criminal act by a stranger".
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So,

HE 'BELIEVED'?

Does that mean that ALL officers, at OG, also all 'believed' the 'only' scenario feted, stated. 'put forward', by DCI Redwood?

and WHY would they?

Surely his 'belief' is ONLY his own, personal, 'opinion'

What did the other officers, at OG, 'believe'?

And did they 'discuss', possibly OTHER 'beliefs' WITH DCI Redwood?

"slapped down"?

Is DCI Wall, at OG, still ONLY 'investigating' Madeleine's 'disappearance' as 'a criminal act by a stranger' as 'stated/believed' by the ex lead investigator at OG, DCI Redwood?

Imo, DCI Redwood's 'beliefs/investigation' do not add up.

And i am not alone in this 'belief'

Many, many, serving and ex police officers, at the MET, also 'agree', with me, that there is something very, very, 'strange' about Operation 'Grange'.

What IF DCI Wall 'believes' something, er, 'different' from DCI Redwood, about Madeleine's 'disappearance'?

Will she be 'allowed' TV 'airtime', ala DCI Redwood, to 'put forward' her 'belief/revelation' moment?

If OG is ONLY 'investigating' Madeleine's 'disappearance' on their lead investigator's 'personal' belief, does that make OG a 'cult'?

With 'dissenters' banished to 'traffic duties'? winkwink

Are all future 'operations' at SY/MET 'now' only to be conducted on lead 'investigator' 'beliefs held', 'say so' and 'hearsay'?

by HelenMeg 05.03.15 12:03

Well in that case, with reference to the questions below put to Kate, I believe Redwood was perhaps not in the right job..

43.   In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them.
After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
44.   When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
47.   When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
48.   Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?

by jeanmonroe 05.03.15 12:34

HelenMeg wrote:

"I believe Redwood was perhaps not in the right job."
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On the 'contrary', imo.

HE, alone, (or on 'orders' from 'above'?) it has to be said, 'cleared', unilaterally, the McS AND all their 'friends' from 'perception' of 'involvement' in Madeleine's er, 'disappearance'', didn't he?

(in a diametrically 'opposed' 'view' to a senior Leicestershire police officer's stated opinion, in a UK court room, that 'there was no 'evidence' to eliminate the McCanns from possible 'involvement' in Madeleine's 'disappearance')

THAT, i believe, WAS his SOLE 'job'.

WHY?

Who knows?

Ultimately DCI Redwood was 'answerable' to MET Comissioner, BHH.

Imo, BHH and McCann's are 'horns on the same goat'

DCI Redwood, "retired" now, after a 3 1/2 years, £11MILLION+, taxpayer 'funded', 'investigation' without a single positive 'result', on a 'full' pension, hasn't he?

by **Tony Bennett** 05.03.15 12:45

jeanmonroe wrote:I believe Redwood was perhaps not in the right job...
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On the 'contrary', imo.

HE, alone, it has to be said, 'cleared' the McCanns AND all their friends from perception of involvement in Madeleine's er, disappearance, didn't he?

THAT, I believe, WAS his SOLE job.

Ultimately DCI Redwood was answerable to MET Comissioner, BHH.

Just to go over the chain of command once more...for Redwood was only the eighth link in the chain...

...when DCI Andy Redwood (8) was appointed, he was responsible to his line manager, Det Chief Supt Hamish Campbell (7), the man who botched the investigation into the killing of Jill Dando...

...and Campbell was responsible tpo Commander Simon Foy (6), the 'Gold' Commander, who was charged with setting the remit...

...but Foy was reponsible to Met Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson (who resignerd in disgrace) - just as DCI Wall now has to answer to those above her and the new Met Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe (5) ...

...the man whose force turned out to support the McCanns' release of balloons in Liverpool on the 100th day after Madeleine wsas reported missing, anmd who recently described the McCanns as 'victims'...

...but back to Sir Paul Stephenson...

...he was given his orders to set up Operation Grange by the Home Secretary, Theresa May (4) ...

...who had persistently refused the McCanns' request for a review, much to Dr Kate McCann's public disgust...

...but she was told what to do by the Prime Minister of the U.K., David Cameron (3) ...

...who was badgered and threatened into ordering his Home Secretary to set up this review...

...by Rebekah Brooks, the Chief Executive Officer of News International (2) ...

...which belongs to the world's most powerful media mogul...

...Papal Knight (along with the former Jimmy Savile O.B.E.), Rupert Murdoch (1).

Is it not as plain as a pikestaff that the notion that Operation Grange is an independent search for the truth - without fear or favour' as the Police Oath has it - one big, cruel and expensive joke?

A hoax, in fact?

by jeanmonroe 05.03.15 12:53

@TB

Just to go over the chain of command once more.
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MET Commissioner(s)......................Paul Stephenson then Bernard Hogan Howe

'Gold' Commander............Simon Foy

Detective Superintendent.........Hamish Campbell

Detective Chief Inspector.....Andrew Redwood,

istbc, as always.

nb: Maybe 'above' MET Commissioners i should 'add', Prime Minister David Cameron and Secretary of State for the Home Office, Theresa May?

Still don't know WHERE to 'put' Murdoch and Brooks! winkwink

by **Tony Bennett** 05.03.15 13:06

jeanmonroe wrote:@TB

Just to go over the chain of command once more.
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MET Commissioner(s)......................Paul Stephenson then Bernard Hogan Howe

'Gold' Commander............Simon Foy

Detective Superintendent.........Hamish Campbell

Detective Chief Inspector.....Andrew Redwood,

istbc, as always.

nb: Maybe 'above' MET Commissioners i should 'add', Prime Minister David Cameron and Home Office Minister Theresa May?

Still don't know WHERE to 'put' Murdoch and Brooks!

Yes, I think you've about got it, see my post which crossed with yours

by jeanmonroe 05.03.15 13:41

@ TB

"Is it not as plain as a pikestaff that the notion that Operation Grange is an independent search for the truth - without fear or favour' as the Police Oath has it - one big, cruel and expensive joke?"

"A hoax, in fact?"
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Indeed!

Only question might be.........Madeleine's big 'reveal' from her 'cushy UK 'lair', (Scottish 'Spa' hotel?) totally unharmed'......... BEFORE or AFTER General Election?

BEFORE....................Cameron/May 'told you, plebs, it was 'worth' it (cost and investigation) the two doctors that diliberatey and consciously left their 3 kids, alone, in an unlocked holiday apartment, abroad, out of sight, totally putting all 3 children at risk of harm, or 'abduction' by a bungling burglator, have their child back, and it's all due to us, the caring Conservatives, and just to add, Madeleine 'was abducted', you'll recall, under the last Labour government's 'watch'! Never trust Labour to ever find, 'abducted' children. Vote Conservative.

Actually, there'd be NO 'kudos', for the Tories, in Madeleine's 'miraculous' 're-appearance' AFTER the GE, when they are sitting on the opposition 'benches'!

So,

Madeleine's 'back'............ BEFORE the GE! winkwink

by **Tony Bennett** 05.03.15 14:11

To quote Rebekeh Brooks, 'they are all in it together':

Brooks & Cameron - horse-riding together in the Cotswolds

Clarence Mitchell, Tony Blair and David Cameron - Mitchell's manipulation skills are on hire to anyone

David Cameron and Rupert Murdoch: "You give me BSkyN, I'll deliver you the General Election result you want"

Senior Met coppers and Rupert Murdoch - do your bit for Murdoch in your job, get a job on a Murdoch newspaper when you retire

Det Chief Supt Hamish Campbell - fix the Jill Dando enquiry, fix the Madeleine McCann investigation

Andy Coulson - employed by Brooks and Wall, then employed by Cameron, then in bed with Brooks (literally).

Attractive DCI Wall just has to deliver a few lines from time to time, dictated to her by those above. She's probably at a meeting with Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe and the BBC Crimweatch Team right now, planning the next production for consumption by the British public

by jeanmonroe 05.03.15 14:23

"Attractive DCI Wall just has to deliver a few lines from time to time, dictated to her by those above. She's probably at a meeting with Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe and the BBC Crimweatch Team right now, planning the next production for consumption by the British public"
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"Objection!'

"Pure supposition, M'Lady'

"The programme's ACTUALLY called BBC Maddiewatch"

"objection upheld"

laughat

by sar 05.03.15 14:30

jeanmonroe wrote:@ TB

"Is it not as plain as a pikestaff that the notion that Operation Grange is an independent search for the truth - without fear or favour' as the Police Oath has it - one big, cruel and expensive joke?"

"A hoax, in fact?"
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Indeed!

Only question might be.........Madeleine's big 'reveal' from her 'cushy UK 'lair', (Scottish 'Spa' hotel?) totally unharmed'......... BEFORE or AFTER General Election?

BEFORE....................Cameron/May 'told you, plebs, it was 'worth' it (cost and investigation) the two doctors that diliberatey and consciously left their 3 kids, alone, in an unlocked holiday apartment, abroad, out of sight, totally putting all 3 children at risk of harm, or 'abduction' by a bungling burglator, have their child back, and it's all due to us, the caring Conservatives, and just to add, Madeleine 'was abducted', you'll recall, under the last Labour government's 'watch'! Never trust Labour to ever find, 'abducted' children. Vote Conservative.

Actually, there'd be NO 'kudos', for the Tories, in Madeleine's 'miraculous' 're-appearance' AFTER the GE, when they are sitting on the opposition 'benches'!

So,

Madeleine's 'back'............ BEFORE the GE!

...was thinking it's time for a "major" incident ~~distraction~~ a few weeks from the GE as DC has bottled the debates? Maybe one of the ones they have been "seeding" in the media over the last few weeks? Something that conveniently turns the incumbent incompetents into a model of efficiency? Anyone willing to have a flutter? Sorry, never been good at odds but all still to play for!

International Terror 10/2 (another attack from a few homegrown jihadie baddies)
CSA Scandal 10/1 (Maybe there's a wobbly tooth who might have been in the news over the last few days? "He Who Protesteth" etc etc)
Another war 20/1 (Where next? Lets back Japan v China after a false flag sinking of a ship on the disputed islands, if you don't fancy that you can bet on the Ukraine turning into another Balkan War)
Currency War (Euro zone goes into meltdown, everyone starts buying Bitcoin and AK-47's)
Ebola Pandemic 50/1 etc
Reappearance of m.100/1 etc

by **Tony Bennett** 05.03.15 14:45

sar wrote:
...was thinking it's time for a "major" incident ~~distraction~~ a few weeks from the GE as DC has bottled the debates?

International Terror 10/2 (another attack from a few homegrown jihadie baddies)
CSA Scandal 10/1 (Maybe there's a wobbly tooth who might have been in the news over the last few days? "He Who Protesteth" etc etc)
Another war 20/1 (Where next? Lets back Japan v China after a false flag sinking of a ship on the disputed islands, if you don't fancy that you can bet on the Ukraine turning into another Balkan War)
Currency War (Euro zone goes into meltdown, everyone starts buying Bitcoin and AK-47's)
Ebola Pandemic 50/1 etc
Reappearance of m.100/1 etc

An impressive list, sar, but it doesn't appear to be necessary, because we have had a string of announcements like these in the past few months:

* record numbers in work
* unemployment down
* surplus in January...
* ...defiicit going down
* wages rising ahead of inflation
* cost-of-living annual rise practically down to nil...
* ...petrol 25% cheaper than a year ago
* business confidence high
* pound strong, euro weak...

...no wonder the Conservatives are already an average of 2% ahead in the last four polls:

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by sar 05.03.15 14:58

Tony Bennett wrote:
sar wrote:
...was thinking it's time for a "major" incident ~~distraction~~ a few weeks from the GE as DC has bottled the debates?

International Terror 10/2 (another attack from a few homegrown jihadie baddies)
CSA Scandal 10/1 (Maybe there's a wobbly tooth who might have been in the news over the last few days? "He Who Protesteth" etc etc)
Another war 20/1 (Where next? Lets back Japan v China after a false flag sinking of a ship on the disputed islands, if you don't fancy that you can bet on the Ukraine turning into another Balkan War)
Currency War (Euro zone goes into meltdown, everyone starts buying Bitcoin and AK-47's)
Ebola Pandemic 50/1 etc
Reappearance of m.100/1 etc
An impressive list, sar, but it doesn't appear to be necessary, because we have had a string of announcements like these in the past few months:

* record numbers in work
* unemployment down
* surplus in January...
* ...defiicit going down
* wages rising ahead of inflation
* cost-of-living annual rise practically down to nil...
* ...petrol 25% cheaper than a year ago
* business confidence high
* pound strong, euro weak...

...no wonder the Conservatives are already an average of 2% ahead in the last four polls:

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thanks for helping me pull focus TB, for a moment there.....

Yeah, basically because everything is going so good its the conservatives wot won it innit!

by jeanmonroe 05.03.15 15:21

@TB

An impressive list, sar, but it doesn't appear to be necessary, because we have had a string of announcements like these in the past few months:

* record numbers in work
* unemployment down
* surplus in January...
* ...defiicit going down
* wages rising ahead of inflation
* cost-of-living annual rise practically down to nil...
* ...petrol 25% cheaper than a year ago
* business confidence high
* pound strong, euro weak...
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So THEY 'SAY'!

If we have record numbers in work and unemployment down, WHY has the 'benefits bill' gone UP, remorselessly, through 'the roof', to over £100 BILLION and 'climbing'...........DAILY!

Why does GB have a debt of £1,416 TRILLION?

UP, UP, £200 BILLION! since the Tories 'took over'

Just to add, you might want to start a new thread because this one is about DCI Wall and Operation Grange.

Thanks.

by jeanmonroe 06.03.15 11:18

'memo' to DCI Wall.

"How MANY 'cases/investigations' of 'bungled' burglaries have you, personally, investigated, during your long MET 'career', to date, come across, where the 'burglar' took 'nothing of value' but did 'abduct/take' a child 'of the house' being 'burgled'?

"How many 'cases' of 'bungled' burglaries, do you have personal knowledge of, in the UK, that HAVE resulted in a burglar taking nothing of 'value', but did 'abduct'/take a child, 'of the house' being 'burgled'?

"Are there any official, recorded, (that i could cross reference with?) police 'statistics' of burglars, not taking 'anything of value', but who have 'abducted/taken' a child from the premises, that were 'burgled' (in UK)?

by Doug D 06.03.15 11:25

"Are there any official, recorded, (that i could cross reference with?) police 'statistics' of burglars, not taking 'anything of value', but who have 'abducted/taken' a child from the premises, that were 'burgled' (in UK)?

Why not knock out an FoI request, Jeanmonroe?

Oh no, it’s so nonsensical it would just be dismissed as ‘spurious’!

eta.
(It would be nice to have that in writing from the Met though)

by jeanmonroe 06.03.15 12:19

Doug D wrote:"Are there any official, recorded, (that i could cross reference with?) police 'statistics' of burglars, not taking 'anything of value', but who have 'abducted/taken' a child from the premises, that were 'burgled' (in UK)?

Why not knock out an FoI request, Jeanmonroe?

Oh no, it’s so nonsensical it would just be dismissed as ‘spurious’!

eta.
(It would be nice to have that in writing from the Met though)

Doug D:

OG, er, 'monitor', this forum, daily! winkwink

They 'read' what WE, 'put in print'.

by sar 07.03.15 8:02

Tony Bennett wrote:
sar wrote:
...was thinking it's time for a "major" incident ~~distraction~~ a few weeks from the GE as DC has bottled the debates?

International Terror 10/2 (another attack from a few homegrown jihadie baddies)
CSA Scandal 10/1 (Maybe there's a wobbly tooth who might have been in the news over the last few days? "He Who Protesteth" etc etc)
Another war 20/1 (Where next? Lets back Japan v China after a false flag sinking of a ship on the disputed islands, if you don't fancy that you can bet on the Ukraine turning into another Balkan War)
Currency War (Euro zone goes into meltdown, everyone starts buying Bitcoin and AK-47's)
Ebola Pandemic 50/1 etc
Reappearance of m.100/1 etc
An impressive list, sar, but it doesn't appear to be necessary, because we have had a string of announcements like these in the past few months:

* record numbers in work
* unemployment down
* surplus in January...
* ...defiicit going down
* wages rising ahead of inflation
* cost-of-living annual rise practically down to nil...
* ...petrol 25% cheaper than a year ago
* business confidence high
* pound strong, euro weak...

...no wonder the Conservatives are already an average of 2% ahead in the last four polls:

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record numbers in work, smoke and mirrors as concocted by both tories and labour from the start of the benefits system
unemployment down, see above
surplus in january, deficit was supposed to be paid off by the end of this parliament, what happened to that?
wages rising ahead of inflation, if you count dvd's, coffee machines, and DVS sofa's / 2 weeks in Spain in the inflation figures then yes maybe, but if you take the "real" inflation figure for the man woman in the street then no. Gas / Electric bills are not going up by 1% I can assure you. NB Why was the black market of drugs and prostitution suddenly included in our economy??
Petrol cheaper than a year ago, great for now, but as the price is being manipulated by opec, then the true price is unknown, causing heart ache for those losing their job in this country and others.
Business confidence high, great if you employ >50 staff? If your big enough to have working capital by now (if you've survived since 2006, yes, that's when this s**tstorm started, if not before)
Pound Strong / Euro Weak the Euro should be weak, it was a franco-German construct which we attached ourself to because we had just lost our empire and wanted somewhere know to lord it over.
(Why have regulators for electrical, gas, engineering been coping with EU harmonisation for 20-30 years when if someone comes from another country in Europe? Unrelenting waves of regulation that change every few years designed to destroy small businesses and keep the cartels going. (BT won't go out of business but how many ISP's / Mobile co's have gone while they denuded the landline / mobile market whilst taking advantage of their monopoly position facilitated by the privatisation in the 80's. NB it seems that only brokerages have benefitted from QE, more money for their mates, made no appreciable difference to us but great if you get a few % points on the £/$ 800bn - 1.2bn (best guess by anyone) in recapitalising our banks.

And guess what, another 'news' feature in relation to a westminster c s a file that SKY found, how good of them!!! Think it was exaro that really found much of what was going on. MH10 back in the news, is there going to be a big reveal / discovery? If south african kids can reappear then anyone could! And more good news for the recently formed NCS (and Terry man), web crime bust of 50 or so people?? Did anyone go for the accumulator??? Each day now of the election campaign is being managed by media manipulators and spinners, its just a war where truth is the casualty.

by Guest 07.03.15 8:29

"wages rising ahead of inflation, if you count dvd's, coffee machines, and DVS sofa's / 2 weeks in Spain in the inflation figures then yes maybe, but if you take the "real" inflation figure for the man woman in the street then no. Gas / Electric bills are not going up by 1% I can assure you."

Yes,, the biggest BS of the lot.

We have been bombarded with "good news" recently.

It makes me sick.

People are being forced to work a full week (thus employed) and still not getting a living wage.

Meanwhile the rich who own the system get richer and the poor only somehow have themselves to blame.

by Gaggzy 07.03.15 16:23

jeanmonroe wrote:@TB

An impressive list, sar, but it doesn't appear to be necessary, because we have had a string of announcements like these in the past few months:

* record numbers in work
* unemployment down
* surplus in January...
* ...defiicit going down
* wages rising ahead of inflation
* cost-of-living annual rise practically down to nil...
* ...petrol 25% cheaper than a year ago
* business confidence high
* pound strong, euro weak...
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So THEY 'SAY'!

If we have record numbers in work and unemployment down, WHY has the 'benefits bill' gone UP, remorselessly, through 'the roof', to over £100 BILLION and 'climbing'...........DAILY!

Why does GB have a debt of £1,416 TRILLION?

UP, UP, £200 BILLION! since the Tories 'took over'

Just to add, you might want to start a new thread because this one is about DCI Wall and Operation Grange.

Thanks.

A bit off topic here but please forgive me. I just pizzed myself laughing when I read the highlighted quote mentioning TRILLION as it reminded me of a phone call I once made.

About 15 years ago, I used to make regular payments off one of my credit cards by using the telephone banking method. On one particular occasion, I wasn't concentrating properly and thought it was time to enter my debit card number to make the payment.

After entering my 16-digit card number, I heard the automated female voice say the following :

You would like to make a payment of Five Thousand three hundred and twenty seven Trillion, Eight Hundred and twelve Billion, Three Hundred and sixty seven Million, Five Hundred and seventy four Thousand, Five Hundred and twenty three pounds. If this amount is correct ... press 1.

I couldn't resist it .... I really couldn't ..... so I pressed number 1.

Following a five-second pause, the voice said, I'm sorry. There seems to be a problem. Please stay on the line and one of our customer service representatives will speak to you.

Almost instantly, a woman came on sounding all flustered. I calmly explained to her that i had inputted my card number instead of the amount I wanted to pay and I apologised for pressing number 1 as I couldn't resist it.

She did see the funny side of it and I eventually paid about thirty quid instead of the entire national world debt for the last 20 years! big grin

by HelenMeg 19.03.15 15:22

This is dragging out now..

As far as I can see, we are now waiting for 1) BL inquest results 2) Mc Cann V Amaral damages case 3) update from OG

Just one would be nice to keep us going...

by Liz Eagles 19.03.15 15:44

HelenMeg wrote:This is dragging out now..

As far as I can see, we are now waiting for 1) BL inquest results 2) Mc Cann V Amaral damages case 3) update from OG

Just one would be nice to keep us going...

Jeez, has the Police Federation been drawn in to close down the OG fiasco?

Who wrote/prompted that script for them?

by HelenMeg 19.03.15 21:21

Someone has to stop this farce.

It is unbelievable that it has been allowed to go on for 8 years, let alone cost in excess of £10 Million. There is no way the truth will not 'come out' at some stage so why
pussy foot around.
David Cameron can put a stop to this any time he chooses.