DCI did the Tia case

by **PeterMac** 11.12.14 13:35

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She oversaw the investigation into the murder of Tia Sharp, whose body was found in the loft of her grandmother's house in New Addington, south London, days after she went missing in August 2012.
Stuart Hazell, a former boyfriend of Tia's mum, was jailed for life at the Old Bailey in May last year after dramatically admitting murdering the youngster during his trial.

i hadn't realised that she oversaw the Tia Sharpe fiasco.

Let us re-cap what happened in that case.
Family reported Tia missing, presumed abducted.
Lots of posters and T Shirts and pleas for help and candlelit vigils
Hazell went on TV to make tearful plea for her return
85 'sighting' reported
80 Police officers involved in the search
Dogs alerted several times but were ignored by police officers
Turned out to be a member of the close family.
Another man was jailed for Wasting Police time - perverting

One hopes the new DCI Nick- Nick will not make the same series of errors again.
Commander Neil Basu, the officer in charge of the investigation, apologised to Tia's mother for the delay in finding her daughter's body. He blamed human error and said that a review would be undertaken "to ensure such a failing is not repeated"
On 23 August police commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe addressed his force's failure to find Tia's body. He said the error could not be attributed to a single officer. He wanted "to understand what processes and management decisions we've made that led to that failure."

Simple lessons to learn
1 Watch the family
2 Follow the money
3 Believe what the dogs are indicating

by deafoldbat 11.12.14 14:07

by stillsloppingout 11.12.14 14:38

I was just about to post the above . mail online are reporting her taking over the case . comments are being allowed , it appears the mods are on there lunch so i urge anybody who can to post .

by Rogue-a-Tory 11.12.14 15:22

PeterMac wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

She oversaw the investigation into the murder of Tia Sharp, whose body was found in the loft of her grandmother's house in New Addington, south London, days after she went missing in August 2012.
Stuart Hazell, a former boyfriend of Tia's mum, was jailed for life at the Old Bailey in May last year after dramatically admitting murdering the youngster during his trial.

i hadn't realised that she oversaw the Tia Sharpe fiasco.

Let us re-cap what happened in that case.
Family reported Tia missing, presumed abducted.
Lots of posters and T Shirts and pleas for help and candlelit vigils
Hazell went on TV to make tearful plea for her return
85 'sighting' reported
80 Police officers involved in the search
Dogs alerted several times but were ignored by police officers
Turned out to be a member of the close family.
Another man was jailed for Wasting Police time - perverting

One hopes the new DCI Nick- Nick will not make the same series of errors again.
Commander Neil Basu, the officer in charge of the investigation, apologised to Tia's mother for the delay in finding her daughter's body. He blamed human error and said that a review would be undertaken "to ensure such a failing is not repeated"
On 23 August police commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe addressed his force's failure to find Tia's body. He said the error could not be attributed to a single officer. He wanted "to understand what processes and management decisions we've made that led to that failure."

Simple lessons to learn
1 Watch the family
2 Follow the money
3 Believe what the dogs are indicating

4 Look at the stats

Keeps coming back to stats, 96% & 100%. 96% of all child abductions are by persons known to the abducted, dogs are 100% reliable yes

by **PeterMac** 11.12.14 15:58

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
Simple lessons to learn
1 Watch the family
2 Follow the money
3 Believe what the dogs are indicating
4 Look at the stats
Keeps coming back to stats, 96% & 100%. 96% of all child abductions are by persons known to the abducted, dogs are 100% reliable

And some terrible statistic about the number of genuinely kidnapped children who are dead within the first hour

by aiyoyo 11.12.14 16:23

ww.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2869936/Female-Met-officer-taking-Madeleine-McCann-inquiry-arrives-Portugal-ahead-questioning-former-suspect-Robert-Murat.html

Lots of pics in that article.

Notice Murat & spouse are power-dressed to attend the interviews.
Money makes a world of difference, and we know power dressing is important when hugh media audience is present.
It's all about image projection. The rich and famous do it all the time - power dressed to attend police stations and court to influence public perception of them. It's to give impression of respectability vs uncouthed scum bags from other spectrum of social ladder.

Nick Wall is also power dresser - an image of glamour combines with brain.
26 years in the service and it does not show on her face.

by woodforthetrees 11.12.14 16:38

aiyoyo wrote:

Nick Wall is also power dresser - an image of glamour combines with brain.
26 years in the service and it does not show on her face.

That'll be because her face is loaded with botox and filler thumbsup

by Jamming 11.12.14 16:42

Hold on a minute, have i missed something ? Was it not reported that Murat could not now be questioned again due to some legal technicality, now they're saying it's because they ran out of time ??

ps, 4th picture down, bloke in stripy shirt/red tie combo, proves why men of certain shape/size ought not wear stripes...

by Rogue-a-Tory 11.12.14 16:48

woodforthetrees wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:

Nick Wall is also power dresser - an image of glamour combines with brain.
26 years in the service and it does not show on her face.

That'll be because her face is loaded with botox and filler

Bit harsh - with hair in pigtails & wearing a gymslip, there are some connected with the case that wouldn't wait to get her handcuffs on. Just saying eek

by jeanmonroe 11.12.14 16:50

woodforthetrees wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:

Nick Wall is also power dresser - an image of glamour combines with brain.
26 years in the service and it does not show on her face.

That'll be because her face is loaded with botox and filler

Not sure we need that on this forum! shhhh

by Rogue-a-Tory 11.12.14 16:59

jeanmonroe wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:

Nick Wall is also power dresser - an image of glamour combines with brain.
26 years in the service and it does not show on her face.

That'll be because her face is loaded with botox and filler

Not sure we need that on this forum!

by **PeterMac** 12.12.14 16:16

Some of her recent cases had a crime to arrest time measured in a couple of days.
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Four arrests made in Hendon murder investigation
November 4, 2014, Police were called to Middlesex University, Friday 31 October following reports of a fight.

Second arrest in Notting Hill murder
September 4, 2014, Officers investigating the murder of Anthony Charlery in Notting Hill on Saturday, 30 August. have arrested a second man on suspicion of murder.
The man, aged 38, attended a south London police station today (4 September) – he remains in custody there.
A 21-year-old man arrested on suspicion of murder on 3 September also remains in custody at a south London police station

Arrest in Wandsworth murder investigation
August 15, 2014, Detectives investigating a fatal stabbing in Wandsworth have this morning (Friday 15 August) arrested a 24 year old man on suspicion of murder.
Officers were called by the London Ambulance Service to St John’s Drive, at 20:49hrs on Wednesday 13 August to reports of an incident.

Second arrest in Lee murder
August 12, 2014, Detectives investigating the murder of a man in Lee, London SE12 on Sunday, 10 August have arrested a second teenager.
A 17-year old boy was arrested today [Tuesday, 12 August. He has been taken to a south London police station.
A 17-year old boy who was arrested on suspicion of murder on Monday, 11 August, remains in custody.

Could be luck, of course, and some crimes are self solving and the perp is obvious right from the start,
but still, it is a good track record.

by jeanmonroe 12.12.14 16:37

So, she could become 'our Wonder-Wall'! winkwink

by Joss 12.12.14 16:54

jeanmonroe wrote:So, she could become 'our Wonder-Wall'!

Hopefully not another Brick in the Wall, smilie

by aiyoyo 12.12.14 17:05

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:

Nick Wall is also power dresser - an image of glamour combines with brain.
26 years in the service and it does not show on her face.

That'll be because her face is loaded with botox and filler

Not sure we need that on this forum!

No, we don't.
If my post triggers off unnecessary craps, my apology.
All I'd meant was she's not bad looking and seems to have good track record.

She said so herself that the her low media profile is attributed to the fact "we solve cases so quickly nobody gets involved" That is a sign she's level headed, keeps her head down and just gets the job done and done quickly without involving media.

Hope she maintains her good track record.......

by Guest 22.12.14 4:08

On the day that she takes up her appointment as head of Operation Grange, I welcome Nicola Wall into the investigation in the Madeleine McCann disappearance.

I do not care whether the new DCI is female or not.

I do not care whether the DCI is attractive or not.

Here's what I care about.

I am Elça Craig, at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Does this case need another DCI flying over Luz in a helicopter, with a Sky News helicopter in close pursuit?

Does this case need a fingertip search of land in the centre of Luz that is on a main road, overlooked by many residents, and impossible to dig up without a JCB?

Here's what is going to happen. Foresight, not hindsight.

Position 1. Nicola Wall does not engage with Luz. The General Election happens. The case fades into the background. Apart from the gutter media.

Position 2. Nicola Wall decides helicopters and fingertip searches are not the way forward.

Please step forward, Nicola Wall.

by ultimaThule 22.12.14 4:47

Elça.

Do you live in Luz and, if so, do you know how the residents feel about Mark Warner closing their Ocean Club operation at what seems, for those of us in the UK at least, to be very short notice?

by **Tony Bennett** 22.12.14 8:31

Elça Craig wrote:On the day that she takes up her appointment as head of Operation Grange, I welcome Nicola Wall into the investigation in the Madeleine McCann disappearance.

REPLY: I don't, because she inherits a remit that restricts her to 'investiagting the abduction' as if it had happened in England. She has accepted that remit, and thus has accepted the inhernet poisoned chalice in doing so. She had a choice not to accept this remit. Those who claim the remit 'might have been changed' are quite wrong; the remit is on the public record and, if it had been changed, we would have been told.

I do not care whether the new DCI is female or not.

REPLY: Neither do I, it is irrelevant.

I do not care whether the DCI is attractive or not.

REPLY: Agreed, also irrelevant.

But what is IMO relevant is that she appears in a celebrity magazine, namely Vogue, illustrating once again how much the police these days are more concerned about their image than about tackling crime - they spend tens of millions on theier media departments.

This bit of the Vogue interview causes concern IMO:

QUOTE:

A diminutive peroxide blonde, with fine cheekbones and a faint Derbyshire accent, she cuts an unusual figure. "I'm a bit different," she admits. "The jury nearly fell over last time I was in the box!" She's glad that the current crop of TV detectives are not "as mumsy" as their forebears and has a small fondness for Saga Noren "because she's quite feminine, very glamorous, very pretty and very capable, too." As plainclothes officers, the detectives are united in their determination to look good. Wall especially enjoys playing with her femininity, if only to shake up the stuffier factions of the Met that still exist. "I usually wear a heel, and I always paint my nails," she says with a toss of her well-groomed head. "They usually brighten a day".

UNQUOTE

Please step forward, Nicola Wall.

REPLY: No, please step down, Nicola Wall, and while you're doing it, tell Vogue and everyone else in the media that you're stepping down because you're refusing to take any further part in this expensive charade, and have publicly called for a change in the remit of Operation Grange.

by Liz Eagles 22.12.14 9:25

Tony Bennett wrote:
Elça Craig wrote:On the day that she takes up her appointment as head of Operation Grange, I welcome Nicola Wall into the investigation in the Madeleine McCann disappearance.

REPLY: I don't, because she inherits a remit that restricts her to 'investiagting the abduction' as if it had happened in England. She has accepted that remit, and thus has accepted the inhernet poisoned chalice in doing so. She had a choice not to accept this remit. Those who claim the remit 'might have been changed' are quite wrong; the remit is on the public record and, if it had been changed, we would have been told.

I do not care whether the new DCI is female or not.

REPLY: Neither do I, it is irrelevant.

I do not care whether the DCI is attractive or not.

REPLY: Agreed, also irrelevant.

But what is IMO relevant is that she appears in a celebrity magazine, namely Vogue, illustrating once again how much the police these days are more concerned about their image than about tackling crime - they spend tens of millions on theier media departments.

This bit of the Vogue interview causes concern IMO:

QUOTE:

A diminutive peroxide blonde, with fine cheekbones and a faint Derbyshire accent, she cuts an unusual figure. "I'm a bit different," she admits. "The jury nearly fell over last time I was in the box!" She's glad that the current crop of TV detectives are not "as mumsy" as their forebears and has a small fondness for Saga Noren "because she's quite feminine, very glamorous, very pretty and very capable, too." As plainclothes officers, the detectives are united in their determination to look good. Wall especially enjoys playing with her femininity, if only to shake up the stuffier factions of the Met that still exist. "I usually wear a heel, and I always paint my nails," she says with a toss of her well-groomed head. "They usually brighten a day".

UNQUOTE

Please step forward, Nicola Wall.

REPLY: No, please step down, Nicola Wall, and while you're doing it, tell Vogue and everyone else in the media that you're stepping down because you're refusing to take any further part in this expensive charade, and have publicly called for a change in the remit of Operation Grange.

As much as I really want to disagree with your post Tony, I can't. I really want to be positive about a proper investigation into Madeleine's disappearance but to date I haven't seen anything near that.

It all boils down to SY's remit.

by Doug D 22.12.14 12:09

Unrelated case, but from Met Police Press release on Saturday:

Detective Chief Superintendent Alaric Bonthron, said:………….

“Officers are expected to uphold the standards of the Met Police and when they fail to do so - they will be investigated. Where officers fail to act within the law it undermines the trust and confidence the public have in the service as a whole."

Can the same be said of carrying out honest investigations?

by Guest 22.12.14 12:15

ultimaThule wrote: Elça.

Do you live in Luz and, if so, do you know how the residents feel about Mark Warner closing their Ocean Club operation at what seems, for those of us in the UK at least, to be very short notice?

I do live in Luz.

Mark Warner closing the OC is news to me, so I can't tell you (yet, will make enquiries) what the residents feel. Luz has been getting skinnier and skinnier for the last couple of years and losing significant summer trade would be a major blow. Do you have a source for this?

by Liz Eagles 22.12.14 12:26

When a constabulary (the MET) has a PR department that encourages its female officers to engage in an interview with Vogue I despair.

When a constabulary (the MET) has a PR department that puts up a poster image of a black, female police officer (double whammy there) toting a gun for the 2012 Olympics I despair. This woman later took the MET to a tribunal but I have absolutely no sympathy for her. She didn't need to be the poster girl.

It's not new. It's PR.

So what you have now is DCI Wall and her arrival/debut in Portugal for an obvious photoshoot. What made this woman think it appropriate not to tie her hair back and make a sober appearance in Portugal? This woman is in command of officers of both sexes who serve the public. Can you imagine if Andy Redwood had given an interview with a blokey magazine and turned up in Portugal with a bit of a ponytail in the back?

No, no, no, this is all about PR. It's also about the MET taking the piss out of female officers who should know better.

by Guest 22.12.14 12:27

Tony Bennett wrote:
Elça Craig wrote:On the day that she takes up her appointment as head of Operation Grange, I welcome Nicola Wall into the investigation in the Madeleine McCann disappearance.

REPLY: I don't, because she inherits a remit that restricts her to 'investiagting the abduction' as if it had happened in England. She has accepted that remit, and thus has accepted the inhernet poisoned chalice in doing so. She had a choice not to accept this remit. Those who claim the remit 'might have been changed' are quite wrong; the remit is on the public record and, if it had been changed, we would have been told.

But what is IMO relevant is that she appears in a celebrity magazine, namely Vogue, illustrating once again how much the police these days are more concerned about their image than about tackling crime - they spend tens of millions on theier media departments.

This bit of the Vogue interview causes concern IMO:

QUOTE:

A diminutive peroxide blonde, with fine cheekbones and a faint Derbyshire accent, she cuts an unusual figure. "I'm a bit different," she admits. "The jury nearly fell over last time I was in the box!" She's glad that the current crop of TV detectives are not "as mumsy" as their forebears and has a small fondness for Saga Noren "because she's quite feminine, very glamorous, very pretty and very capable, too." As plainclothes officers, the detectives are united in their determination to look good. Wall especially enjoys playing with her femininity, if only to shake up the stuffier factions of the Met that still exist. "I usually wear a heel, and I always paint my nails," she says with a toss of her well-groomed head. "They usually brighten a day".

UNQUOTE

Please step forward, Nicola Wall.

REPLY: No, please step down, Nicola Wall, and while you're doing it, tell Vogue and everyone else in the media that you're stepping down because you're refusing to take any further part in this expensive charade, and have publicly called for a change in the remit of Operation Grange.

Operation Grange would have a DCI at its head whether it was Nicola Wall or not and quite clearly would continue in either event.

The Vogue article was actually quite good as it illustrated how SY works, rather than how the tabloids like to continually portray it.

Nicola Wall was wearing heels, black nail varnish, had had her hair done and appeared to be carrying a new handbag on her recent trip to Faro.

Perhaps she will make a change and engage the local citizens, which would be progress. Perhaps she won't and Operation Grange will rumble on as is, in Andy Redwood style.

by Woofer 22.12.14 12:46

Elça Craig wrote:
ultimaThule wrote: Elça.

Do you live in Luz and, if so, do you know how the residents feel about Mark Warner closing their Ocean Club operation at what seems, for those of us in the UK at least, to be very short notice?

I do live in Luz.

Mark Warner closing the OC is news to me, so I can't tell you (yet, will make enquiries) what the residents feel. Luz has been getting skinnier and skinnier for the last couple of years and losing significant summer trade would be a major blow. Do you have a source for this?

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by Guest 22.12.14 14:00

I checked out their website and the Algarve has been removed.

The fact that Silvia Baptista and her husband were made redundant should have been a clue.

A chat with a couple of locals, both plugged into the news network, confirmed this is not well known locally. One thought there were some changes in staffing but did not realise Mark Warner had pulled out.

The Ocean Club 24hr reception remains open. I just checked.

This is going to impact property and rental prices. And restaurants that depend particularly on families with children, e.g. those on the beach front, are going to find 2015 tough.

by **PeterMac** 22.12.14 14:16

It is on the other thread.
Thomas Cook are taking it over, so it will probably just carry on, more or less as normal.

by ultimaThule 22.12.14 14:47

More information on this thread Elça, and I sincerely hope that I haven't inadvertently been the cause of any unnecessary worry to you and the good people of Praia de Luz:
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by Guest 22.12.14 17:03

Thanks for the info and thanks for the link.

I hope you'll go easy on me as I'm new here and it will take a while to find out what is stored where.

I was specifically interested in info on Nicola Wall and at least I read all 20+ pages of this thread before heading off in the wrong direction.

Again, many thanks and Merry Xmas from Luz.

by ultimaThule 22.12.14 17:23

As there can be numerous different threads on the same topic it's easy to spend hours chasing your tail. However, as 'Nicola Wall' is new to the forum this is the first and, as far as I'm aware, the only thread to date on the subject of Andy Redwood's replacement.

Feliz Natal and Feliz Ano Novo to you and yours, Elça.

Eta PeterMac has just posted this link and the article on the Mark Warner Resort thread:
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by **Tony Bennett** 22.12.14 19:58

Elça Craig wrote:
Operation Grange would have a DCI at its head whether it was Nicola Wall or not and quite clearly would continue in either event.

The Vogue article was actually quite good as it illustrated how SY works, rather than how the tabloids like to continually portray it.

Nicola Wall was wearing heels, black nail varnish, had had her hair done and appeared to be carrying a new handbag on her recent trip to Faro.

Perhaps she will make a change and engage the local citizens, which would be progress. Perhaps she won't and Operation Grange will rumble on as is, in Andy Redwood style.

Yes, Operation Grange has a new DCI. It could have been Nicola Wall or any one of dozens of other Met Police DCIs.

But you are wrong to describe either Andy Redwood or Nicola Wall as the 'head' of Operation Grange. Redwood was not. Wall is not.

Most police operations are headed by someone called the 'Senior Investigation Officer' - the S.I.O. S/he co-ordinates the entire investigation.

Below her/him is the 'Investigation Officer', or the I.O. as s/he is generally known. S/he carries out the plan of the S.I.O., and generally manages the interviewing of witnesses and suspects, organises the forensic work etc.

In the case of Operation Grange, Redwood and Wall are merely at the 'I.O.' level.

Neither has reached the rank of Detective Superintendent or Deputy Chief Superintendent.

Let's go back to see who was the original 'S.I.O.' - above Redwood.

It was Det Chief Supt Hamish Campbell.

He was the man who seriously botched the as-yet-unsolved murder of Jill Dando. He arrested and charged an innocent man, Barry Bulsara/George, condemning him to years of jail for an offence he did not commit. The evidence against him consisted of one speck of firearms residue said to have been found in Bulsara's coat pocket. There remains a deep suspicion that it was planted there.

Moreover, Hamish Campbell had previously worked under Brian Moore, a Det Chief Supt from the corrupt Stoke Newington Police Station. Moore, according to a panel of Appeal Court judges, was all but proved to have arranged to place firearms residue in the coat pocket of a black man accused of shooting another man.

Moore succeeded in getting the man convicted and jailed for two-and-a-half years - before the Appeal Court mercifully intervened, quashed his conviction, and released him.

I have written up the careers of Campbell and Moore and their other connections here:

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Hamish Campbell retired as the S.I.O. of Operation Grange in May 2013.

He appears to have been replaced by Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt, who back in February 2014 made the extravagant, and gramatically incorrect - claim that the 'tempo' of Operation Grange was 'moving forwards'.

It looks like that statement was also false.

It was, of course, merely another media-friendly quote for Britain's mainstream media to reproduce unquestioningly.

Wall is stuck with the remit she was given.

Wall is also stuck with the same S.I.O. that Redwood has had for the past 18 months.

More than likely, several other DCIs were approached to carry out this Operation Grange assignment - and wisely refused.

Wall accepted. She is intelligent enough to know that Martin Grime's cadaver dogs provide, well, high quality 'intelligence'.

Which she will now, unprofessionally, disregard.

I would condemn any police officer who acts as the 'I.O.' in this case, unless they insist that the remit of the investiagtion is changed - whether they are male or female, white-, black-, brown- or yellow-skinned, attractive or unattractive.

Wall appears to be media-friendly.

Here is her job description:

Public perception.

Smoke and mirrors.

Cover-up.

Deception.

Charade.