Re: LAST DAY OF LIBEL TRIAL 8th July 2014 DISCUSSION AND NEWS

by jozi 08.07.14 13:02

Hicks wrote:Surely what ever is said by the twins to the parents is hearsay and cannot be used as evidence in this trial?

That is my understanding, to be used in evidence Sean would have to be questioned !!!

Carry on regardless Kate you are doing a Great job....foot in mouth !!! She is just out to shock and get sympathy ( they know no different) if this is all they have then I am afraid it worthless.....

We just had this with Oscar Trial......

by beijos 08.07.14 13:03

candyfloss wrote:OMG LOOK!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Amaral refused permission to speak in trial. He and McCanns blocked at first, but McCanns appealed. He didn't, now too late.

Would him speaking actually add anything to his defence?

by Guest 08.07.14 13:03

candyfloss wrote:OMG LOOK!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Amaral refused permission to speak in trial. He and McCanns blocked at first, but McCanns appealed. He didn't, now too late.

So Goncalo not allowed to speak today.

by Smokeandmirrors 08.07.14 13:03

candyfloss wrote:OMG LOOK!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Amaral refused permission to speak in trial. He and McCanns blocked at first, but McCanns appealed. He didn't, now too late.

Let's hope he didn't appeal it because he deemed it unnecessary - perhaps with the McCanns bull$h!t and their dire witnesses, it was better to let their rubbish and lies stand alone Wink

The blatant nonsense and contradictions they have made public over the years will hopefully not escaped the notice of the judge

by View-from-Ireland 08.07.14 13:03

Tony Bennett wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That link doesn't work, Claire25.

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Sean supposedly heard the comment on the school bus radio!
We had a poster on here a year or so back claiming to be from Rothley and saying that she'd seen the twins near the bus stop in the mornings on their own, on the main road outside the McCanns' home, waiting for the bus.

Quite a few posters thought she was making it up

As we say in Ireland 'Jaysus'!

If true this suggests they are one of:

a) confident abductions don't really happen that often
b) are somewhat negligent

I grew up in a safe rural environment but I was about 13 before I was waiting for buses on my own. And that was the 90s, a more innocent time.

The above of course in the context of them, according to themselves, already having had a child 'abducted' and imo.

by Joey Deacon 08.07.14 13:04

candyfloss wrote:OMG LOOK!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Amaral refused permission to speak in trial. He and McCanns blocked at first, but McCanns appealed. He didn't, now too late.

He should have appealed then.

Seems like a bit of an oversight to be told that you wouldn't be allowed to speak, not appeal it, and then ask to speak.

Or is this just more inaccurate reporting?

by sallypelt 08.07.14 13:05

Joana Morais ‏@xklamation · 1m
#mccann gave statements, gerry tried to make allegations about sniffer dogs and book veracity but judge shut him

Doesn't it speak volumes about G McCann, that the very thing that the McCann's cannot explain away, is the dogs, yet he has to try his best to discredit them in court, today, until he was more or less, told to SHUT UP.

by Guest 08.07.14 13:05

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Libel trial now adjourned for a while. Court still demanding Amaral reveal earnings from his book.

by Tangled Web 08.07.14 13:05

Smokeandmirrors wrote:
candyfloss wrote:OMG LOOK!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Amaral refused permission to speak in trial. He and McCanns blocked at first, but McCanns appealed. He didn't, now too late.

Let's hope he didn't appeal it because he deemed it unnecessary - perhaps with the McCanns bull$h!t and their dire witnesses, it was better to let their rubbish and lies stand alone The blatant nonsense and contradictions they have made public over the years will hopefully not escaped the notice of the judge

I wish he had been able to speak, as it would've been reported here. Maybe this is why he sacked his previous lawyer?

by Miraflores 08.07.14 13:05

So let me get this clear:
The twins were born in February 2005, so the earliest they would start school would be in September 2009 as 4 1/2 year olds going into the Reception class. If they are going to a Catholic school, there isn't one in Rothley, I think, so it's possible that they are being bused to the nearest one. So far, so good.

The McCanns started action against Dr Amaral in 2009. So are they really trying to claim that Sean McCann heard this comment on a bus radio as a 4 year old, which prompted them to take action? I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that. I think they had already decided to take action before the twins started school. I hope the judge asked when this conversation took place. If it post - dates the start of the legal action, then what Sean heard or didn't hear is of no consequence.

I further don't believe it because after 2008 there was a complete embargo on anything negative said in the mainstream media, and this would just not have been said. I am happy to be corrected on this statement if anyone can find any proof that this was on the radio.

by Dr What 08.07.14 13:05

It would appear that the McCann world is imploding.
However, they are only reaping what they have previously sown.They know, and everyone else must know by now, that the only person to have hindered the search for Maddie is Kate McCann herself.She openly admitted as such when she answered only one of the questions put to her during her formal Police interview.

They can never refute that, never deny that, never blame anyone else for that.It is there for all to read.

by Seek truth 08.07.14 13:08

sallypelt wrote:Joana Morais ‏@xklamation · 1m
#mccann gave statements, gerry tried to make allegations about sniffer dogs and book veracity but judge shut him

Now why would the judge do that!!!

Let him lie, go ahead, the more said the better.
Mrs

And I wonder why Amaral didn't appeal, what time did the mccanns appeal

by SixMillionQuid 08.07.14 13:08

Joey Deacon wrote:
candyfloss wrote:OMG LOOK!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Amaral refused permission to speak in trial. He and McCanns blocked at first, but McCanns appealed. He didn't, now too late.

He should have appealed then.

Seems like a bit of an oversight to be told that you wouldn't be allowed to speak, not appeal it, and then ask to speak.

Or is this just more inaccurate reporting?

My understanding was that he wasn't going to give evidence in the first instance, then the McCanns saw an opportunity which was scuppered a few weeks ago big grin

but now they've been given that chance. Hasn't done them any favours though -not a shred of evidence to back up their claim.

by Guest 08.07.14 13:08

beijos wrote:
candyfloss wrote:OMG LOOK!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Amaral refused permission to speak in trial. He and McCanns blocked at first, but McCanns appealed. He didn't, now too late.

Would him speaking actually add anything to his defence?

No

And not being in the dock also prevents his being grilled on behalf of the Mecs

Which is just as well, as it provides for a very less stressful occasion

Also, this clearly demonstrates the astuteness of the trial judge, Dona Melo y Castro, and her respect for the formalities of the litigation

Wonderful!

by Brian Griffin 08.07.14 13:08

candyfloss wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Libel trial now adjourned for a while. Court still demanding Amaral reveal earnings from his book.

Ah, now we're getting to what this is really all about!

by Guest 08.07.14 13:09

SixMillionQuid wrote:
Joey Deacon wrote:
candyfloss wrote:OMG LOOK!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Amaral refused permission to speak in trial. He and McCanns blocked at first, but McCanns appealed. He didn't, now too late.

He should have appealed then.

Seems like a bit of an oversight to be told that you wouldn't be allowed to speak, not appeal it, and then ask to speak.

Or is this just more inaccurate reporting?
My understanding was that he wasn't going to give evidence in the first instance, then the McCanns saw an opportunity which was scuppered a few weeks ago but now they've been given that chance. Hasn't done them any favours though -not a shred of evidence to back up their claim.

Agreed

Mrs looks very silly to me, judging from the excerpts we are treated to so far

by TheTruthWillOut 08.07.14 13:11

View-from-Ireland wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That link doesn't work, Claire25.

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Sean supposedly heard the comment on the school bus radio!
We had a poster on here a year or so back claiming to be from Rothley and saying that she'd seen the twins near the bus stop in the mornings on their own, on the main road outside the McCanns' home, waiting for the bus.

Quite a few posters thought she was making it up

As we say in Ireland 'Jaysus'!

If true that proves they are one of:

a) confident abductions don't really happen that often
b) are somewhat negligent

I grew up in a safe rural environment but I was about 13 before I was waiting for buses on my own. And that was the 90s, a more innocent time.

My commute takes me along a route to and past Bishop Ellis school in Leicester and I see lone boys/girls walking to school daily as well as the school bus presumably with a lot of under 11 yo on it.

by Guest 08.07.14 13:12

Brian Griffin wrote:
candyfloss wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Libel trial now adjourned for a while. Court still demanding Amaral reveal earnings from his book.
Ah, now we're getting to what this is really all about!

Bit late at this stage: so is he or isn't he allowed to speak?

This issue first came up a longtime ago, so why hasn't he put his cards on the table till date? In writing, stamped, sealed and verifiable. As in: tax returns or something like that. He could then have pointed out how their attachment(s) of his all & sundry made and makes him and his family suffer. Would have made things easier for him. On the other hand, I don't believe the Portuguese people in general and Dr Amaral in particular are given to histrionics, as some we have come to know and rely on

So who wanted to know? The Judge or the Mecs? That's a big difference! Information anyone?

by Guest 08.07.14 13:12

Joana Morais ‏@xklamation [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Goncalo Amaral new lawyer is great, Miguel Rodrigues it's his name. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Babalou ‏@B_balou [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] & listed with the Ordem dos Advogados with email & telephone details - contrary to reports in the press.

by SixMillionQuid 08.07.14 13:12

Miraflores wrote:So let me get this clear:
The twins were born in February 2005, so the earliest they would start school would be in September 2009 as 4 1/2 year olds going into the Reception class. If they are going to a Catholic school, there isn't one in Rothley, I think, so it's possible that they are being bused to the nearest one. So far, so good.

The McCanns started action against Dr Amaral in 2009. So are they really trying to claim that Sean McCann heard this comment on a bus radio as a 4 year old, which prompted them to take action? I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that. I think they had already decided to take action before the twins started school. I hope the judge asked when this conversation took place. If it post - dates the start of the legal action, then what Sean heard or didn't hear is of no consequence.

I further don't believe it because after 2008 there was a complete embargo on anything negative said in the mainstream media, and this would just not have been said. I am happy to be corrected on this statement if anyone can find any proof that this was on the radio.

It's what I pointed out earlier - no UK radio station would broadcast this as they were on lockdown. And I can't think of any 4 -5 year old traveling by bus without their parents...oh wait its the McCanns we're dealing with.

by Guest 08.07.14 13:13

Portia wrote:
Brian Griffin wrote:
candyfloss wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Libel trial now adjourned for a while. Court still demanding Amaral reveal earnings from his book.
Ah, now we're getting to what this is really all about!

Bit late at this stage

So is he or isn't he allowed to speak?

This issue first came up a longtime ago, so why hasn't he put his cards on the table till date? In writing, stapes, sealed and verifiable. Would have made things easier for him.

No he is not allowed to speak.

by ChippyM 08.07.14 13:13

"
Speaking to reporters after the hearing today, Mr McCann said that Mr Amaral's claims had caused a 'tremendous amount of damage' but he hoped that people would now see that all he and his wife wanted was a conclusion to the case.

'We want to make clear that it is a very complex investigation, it is a huge dossier and we just want as much as possible to be worked through,' he said.

He hoped continuing investigations would catch whoever snatched his daughter. He said: 'Whoever took Madeleine is still out there and whoever the person is they must have been laughing these past six years at what was told in the book, that there was no predator out there.
'There was and he or she may strike again.'
He said he and his wife 'could not undo' the damage he said Amaral's book has caused, and expressed his upset that some residents of Praia da Luz had written on the walls of the town that he and his wife where the murderers.
'We obviously never thought seven years down the line that we would be in this situation, but we do still have hope because of all these of children who have been taken and kept for a long time,' he said.

Read more: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] "

There he goes again stating things as fact, there WAS a predator (not a burglar?) , because Gerry says so. If true Gerry should know what happens to most small children taken by 'predators'. He should also know that all those 'kept for a long time' were teenagers!

The reporter using the word 'murderers' ! are they going to be sued too?

by stillsloppingout 08.07.14 13:15

Brian Griffin wrote:
candyfloss wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Libel trial now adjourned for a while. Court still demanding Amaral reveal earnings from his book.
Ah, now we're getting to what this is really all about!

Correct . That is the key point .if that information is given to the court .you can bet he will be wiped out by the said amount .
His failing to speak is not good either , he may have been grilled but you DO NOT LIE when speaking the truth .
He now has to talk outside the court to the press .

by sallypelt 08.07.14 13:17

David Wuffler ‏@Heavy_Dave · 1m
In Lisbon, Gerry #mccann answers a question that hadn't been asked : "I just want to say that the dog did not smell blood."

by sallypelt 08.07.14 13:17

Joana Morais ‏@xklamation · 13 hrs
#mccann hearing session of 10th postponed due to mccanns request for confidential fiscal documentation - "dilatory manouvers" indeed

by The Rooster 08.07.14 13:20

I'm looking forward to the transcriptions of what was said today in court by the parents. Were they on oath?

by Seek truth 08.07.14 13:20

Brian Griffin wrote:
candyfloss wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] martinbrunt @skymartinbrunt · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Libel trial now adjourned for a while. Court still demanding Amaral reveal earnings from his book.
Ah, now we're getting to what this is really all about!

Exact figure?

Why would they want that if the mccanns are going to lose anyway?
Oh yes they always win

by Brian Griffin 08.07.14 13:21

sallypelt wrote:David Wuffler ‏@Heavy_Dave · 1m
In Lisbon, Gerry #mccann answers a question that hadn't been asked : "I just want to say that the dog did not smell blood."

Did you smell the coffee?

by frost 08.07.14 13:22

Thetruth wrote:Bonjour at last !

Our son took the school bus to high school, but all the kids at junior school, under 11 years old, never have a school bus. At least this is the case in Knutsford/Wilmslow. Parents take kids under 11 directly to the school.

Is it different in Rothley ??
jeanmonroe wrote:
ShuBob wrote:
candyfloss wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Kay Burley @KayBurley · [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Kate [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Tells the portuguese libel case son Sean heard about Amaral's allegations on the radio while travelling on the school bus

How dramatic

Oh dear, that must mean all the OTHER kiddies, on the school bus, must have 'heard' the allegations too!

IMO, Sean has NEVER been anywhere NEAR a 'school bus'!

Somebody could have 'abducted/snatched' him, when he got off, couldn't they?

I suspect it differs from area to area but certainly around here the catholic schools do provide buses as many of the children that attend it is not their nearest school , that is presuming the twins are attending a catholic school what with Kate and Gerry being so religious .

On saying that though with the protection surrounding the twins I would have thought they would have been personally escorted from a to b wherever they went .

clutching at straws springs to mind , they are at the point now where they will say anything to try and back themselves up .

by kevmack 08.07.14 13:22

IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:
kevmack wrote:
IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:Farcical.

I noted the attempts in the British media to bury news of the trial in Portugal.

AMARAL is going to get shafted Im afraid.
How do you arrive at that conclusion? Just because the UK press are taking instruction from Clarence Mitchell, it has no bearing on the judge's ruling whatsoever

The UK press is going after people far higher up the social ladder than Katie and the wee man will ever be. Why are a pair of schemies made good so untouchable ?

If you think the judge in Portugal hasn't been leaned on your kidding yourself.

I have way more confidence in the Portuguese judicial system than that, i think you may be kidding yourself if you think that the UK govt can influence a Portuguese judge

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