Digging to start next week - UPDATE... starting today 2/6/14

by Guest 28.05.14 9:38

Article from the Correio Da Manha newspaper 28/05/14. Translated.

Correio da Manhã (paper edition)

(Translated by Astro)

Englishpeople dig in three areas

Searches to look for the body start next week. English defend burglary thesis.

by Tânia Laranjo /Ana Isabel Fonseca
28.05.2014

Scotland Yard wants to dig at three locations, in Praia da Luz, searching for Madeleine McCann's remains. The Englishpeople have already set the letters rogatory - requesting two additional searches -, but these have not yet arrived at the Polícia Judiciária in Faro. Only then will the dates for the beginning of the excavations be set, although it seems that they will start early next week.

The three grounds are located near the Praia da Luz resort, in Lagos, where the English child disappeared from, on the 3rd of May of 2007. The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary to the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards.

Dogs that specialise in detecting cadaver odour will participate in the searches. The animals come from England and have already been successfully used in the retrieval of other bodies. The radars that will be used to find out if there is an alien object under ground will come from the same country.

CM knows that the excavations will be carried out by the English police. The Judiciária will be on location just due to bureaucratic issues, given that it holds jurisdiction over the area.

The search warrants that permit the searches have also been issued already - because these are private grounds. Any discovery will be communicated to the Portuguese authorities and will become part of the process, which was reopened late last year, and which presently runs against unknown persons.

CM was further able to establish that the diligence by the Englishpeople will last for four to six days. The cost of the operation will be fully supported by the English police, which is already arranging for the rental of backhoes and other equipment that is needed for the excavations.

by Guest 28.05.14 9:50

"The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary to the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards"

Not a good sign for the Whitewash believers..

by stillsloppingout 28.05.14 10:02

Andrew77R wrote:"The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary to the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards"

Not a good sign for the Whitewash believers..

It will be if she is holding a page from Kate;s Bible or any other artefact explain that away SY .
But that appears to be SY'S line .

by Justformaddie 28.05.14 10:19

Hmm, I wonder what property was stolen? right a burglary turns into murder, then kidnap of the body? Onto burial all within the time limit he or she had? Then there's the cadaver odour, most of the town searching. My, must have been superman then IMO nah

by **PeterMac** 28.05.14 10:28

If SY are going to need "backhoes" aka JCB diggers, then surely it follows that the "Abductor" must have had the equivalent machinery to dig the hole in the first place.
Am I missing something here ?

by margaret 28.05.14 10:32

Andrew77R wrote:"The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary to the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards"

Not a good sign for the Whitewash believers..

I know but l see they're using cadaver dogs so l believe SY trust the dogs and any alerts they made in 2007.

by Justformaddie 28.05.14 10:34

PeterMac wrote:If SY are going to need "backhoes" aka JCB diggers, then surely it follows that the "Abductor" must have had the equivalent machinery to dig the hole in the first place.
Am I missing something here ?

If only you were AR PeterMac! friends

by stillsloppingout 28.05.14 10:34

PeterMac wrote:If SY are going to need "backhoes" aka JCB diggers, then surely it follows that the "Abductor" must have had the equivalent machinery to dig the hole in the first place.
Am I missing something here ?

SY to announce an appeal for..... Navvy man !!!

by Hongkong Phooey 28.05.14 10:36

PeterMac wrote:If SY are going to need "backhoes" aka JCB diggers, then surely it follows that the "Abductor" must have had the equivalent machinery to dig the hole in the first place.
Am I missing something here ?

Maybe there has been further building works on the land within the past 7 years. Could have been roadworks, new buildings, patio.....

Don't see how this is bad news for the whitewashers as it stated they're looking for the fantasy burglar turned murderer.

by **PeterMac** 28.05.14 10:37

I think we can cheerfully disregard anything CdM write until it is proven independently from another source,
though it is certainly intriguing that they talk about The English believing in the Death, and Cadaver Dogs in the same piece.

Not good for the Pro-child-neglect lobby

by Guest 28.05.14 10:38

margaret wrote:
I know but l see they're using cadaver dogs so l believe SY trust the dogs and any alerts they made in 2007.

Yes, hope so.

Although why have SY never came out before and mentioned / backed up the dog alerts from 2007 and give these dogs the credit they deserve?

Or have they?

by MarleneP 28.05.14 10:39

Am I correct in assuming that the British police believes Madeleine died in the apartment.
That would be quite something, right?
Why is there still a fund?

by tiny 28.05.14 10:39

Andrew77R wrote:"The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary to the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards"

Not a good sign for the Whitewash believers..

I thought it was a good sign for the whitewashers believers,because we know a burglary never happened.

by Guest 28.05.14 10:46

tiny wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:"The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary to the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards"

Not a good sign for the Whitewash believers..

I thought it was a good sign for the whitewashers believers,because we know a burglary never happened.

Apologies,

Yes, I actually mean't a good sign for the Whitewashers. The only whitewash theory they can come up with really.

Multitasking when i wrote. Typical bloke and can't multitask!!!

(No offence to other blokes who i'm sure can)

by Justformaddie 28.05.14 10:49

:wtf2: If this was supposed to be a burglar , IMO maddie must have woken and said something along the lines of "sir, that's my mums phone, that's my dad's wallet and that's my mums camera, I know you and will tell mum & dad exactly what you look like! So, then he forgets about theft and decides to kill and bury her very well almost, to the point that he knew what would happen and had the plot dug already! IMO

by stillsloppingout 28.05.14 10:49

tiny wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:"The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary to the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards"

Not a good sign for the Whitewash believers..

I thought it was a good sign for the whitewashers believers,because we know a burglary never happened.

So a burglar enters the apartment has a rummage , leaves no DNA fingerprints , finds nothing of value , ' i know ill take a child , before that ill kill her , and sit with her body for 45 mins , whilst in the same room as two small babies, hopefully nobody comes in to check . Then ill carry the corpse through the town in the dark and dispose of her , so well that it has never been detected for seven years !!!!
BRILLIANT of course why didn't we all think of this .

by whatliesbehindthesofa 28.05.14 10:49

Andrew77R wrote:
Apologies,

Yes, I actually mean't a good sign for the Whitewashers. The only whitewash theory they can come up with really.

Multitasking when i wrote. Typical bloke and can't multitask!!!

(No offence to other blokes who i'm sure can)

But I don't see how that works. There can only be two possible outcomes from excavation works - something is found, or nothing is found. If nothing is found then that proves exactly zero. It would have been an entirely pointless operation. If some evidence is found however, it will be going straight into the hands of the Portuguese.

by whatliesbehindthesofa 28.05.14 10:52

My opinion is that CdM writes about Scotland Yard in the same way that our press writes about the PJ. This is simply their version of 'bungling sardine-munchers'.

Can you imagine what our press would say if the PJ were to fly a 'crack squad' into the UK and start digging holes? Imagine that, and reconsider every word that the Portuguese mainstream media writes or says in that context.

by By Numbers 28.05.14 10:53

Andrew77R wrote:"The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary to the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards"

Not a good sign for the Whitewash believers..

No, not really. However, reducing the amount of income to the Fund/family also reduces the amount of money to place fabricated stories, to visit witnesses and to pay the extortionate costs of libel lawyers (even if they do say they are working for free, depending on which version you read on a given day). Kate, Gerry and Clarence can't afford Carter-Ruck on an long-term basis, and nor do they seem to want to part with a single penny of their own money. The main problem is that Clarence has affiliated himself with two political parties, neither of which is in a position to cope with the association with such a scandal right now, so, even without their own campaign money, it's likely they'll get a little help in maintaining the illusion from somewhere.

by **PeterMac** 28.05.14 11:02

Andrew77R wrote:
margaret wrote:
I know but l see they're using cadaver dogs so l believe SY trust the dogs and any alerts they made in 2007.
Yes, hope so.

Police officers work close to dogs all through their service. Drugs, explosives, firearms residues, bodies dead or alive . . .
They know know how good they are.
Medics understand how accurate and detailed are the alerts of a Malignant melanoma dog, a kidney cancer dog, seizure alert dog, diabetic incident dog
and more are being trained to detect lung cancer from a patient's breath.
There are MANY more examples.
Fire and rescue use them, the Army use them, Mountain Rescue use them, Avalanche patrols use them

Only two people in the entire world say they are notoriously unreliable
Co-incidentally the only two who were "fingered" by the alerts.

by Justformaddie 28.05.14 11:02

Maybe that was the thought process of two smart doctors! big grin

IMO

stillsloppingout wrote:
tiny wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:"The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary to the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards"

Not a good sign for the Whitewash believers..

I thought it was a good sign for the whitewashers believers,because we know a burglary never happened.
So a burglar enters the apartment has a rummage , leaves no DNA fingerprints , finds nothing of value , ' i know ill take a child , before that ill kill her , and sit with her body for 45 mins , whilst in the same room as two small babies, hopefully nobody comes in to check . Then ill carry the corpse through the town in the dark and dispose of her , so well that it has never been detected for seven years !!!!
BRILLIANT of course why didn't we all think of this .

by Guest 28.05.14 11:08

PeterMac wrote:Police officers work close to dogs all through their service. Drugs, explosives, firearms residues, bodies dead or alive . . .
They know know how good they are.
Medics understand how accurate and detailed are the alerts of a Malignant melanoma dog, a kidney cancer dog, seizure alert dog, diabetic incident dog
and more are being trained to detect lung cancer from a patient's breath.
There are MANY more examples.
Fire and rescue use them, the Army use them, Mountain Rescue use them, Avalanche patrols use them

Only two people in the entire world say they are notoriously unreliable
Co-incidentally the only two who were "fingered" by the alerts.

... but why have Operation Grange never once if i recall, mentioned the original dogs findings back in 2007..?

by whatliesbehindthesofa 28.05.14 11:12

Andrew77R wrote:
... but why have Operation Grange never once if i recall, mentioned the original dogs findings back in 2007..?

Why should they? This is an ongoing investigation, it hasn't concluded.

by canada12 28.05.14 11:14

Is it possible that 7 years ago, the ground which is going to be dug now, was dug up, or had some test excavations on it, which were subsequently built over or covered over? I'm thinking in terms of holes dug to contain the footings for signs. Or test digs done to establish the makeup of the strata beneath. Or the foundations of previously existing structures which were demolished to leave the land bare? Just trying to think outside the box.

The other explanation is, of course... look here, don't look there. The diversionary tactic. Lots of high-profile digging with a digger while the real action is going on elsewhere.

by Bishop Brennan 28.05.14 12:01

The whole thing is just surreal. Without a solid tip to go on, why on EARTH would you dig up the, em, earth? Especially if it's a public piece of land overlooked or walked close to by many people that night and every day since. What on, cough, earth, do they honestly expect to find? It's madness. Insanity. Surely it can only be a dramatic finale to the SY saga - finding nothing but ending in a big high-budget close? But there is always that teeny tiny possibility that somehow someway they might find something. Crazy days. coffee

by Bishop Brennan 28.05.14 12:04

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:
... but why have Operation Grange never once if i recall, mentioned the original dogs findings back in 2007..?

Why should they? This is an ongoing investigation, it hasn't concluded.

What will be interesting is whether or not the press start to mention Eddie and Keela once they see dogs on-site in PDL. SY may have reasons for not mentioning them (whitewash / cunning plan depending on your view) but the press can certainly write about them in a non-libellous way as their use and findings are matters of public record. So far not a single word on them in 3 years. We shall see...

by HelenMeg 28.05.14 12:15

MarleneP wrote:Am I correct in assuming that the British police believes Madeleine died in the apartment.
That would be quite something, right?
Why is there still a fund?

The fund must now be used to purchase JCB's and spades

by worriedmum 28.05.14 12:20

stillsloppingout wrote:
tiny wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:"The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary to the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards"

Not a good sign for the Whitewash believers..

I thought it was a good sign for the whitewashers believers,because we know a burglary never happened.
So a burglar enters the apartment has a rummage , leaves no DNA fingerprints , finds nothing of value , ' i know ill take a child , before that ill kill her , and sit with her body for 45 mins , whilst in the same room as two small babies, hopefully nobody comes in to check . Then ill carry the corpse through the town in the dark and dispose of her , so well that it has never been detected for seven years !!!!
BRILLIANT of course why didn't we all think of this .

Spot on, Stillsloppingout! clapping1

by paradigm67 28.05.14 12:21

Bishop Brennan wrote:
whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:
... but why have Operation Grange never once if i recall, mentioned the original dogs findings back in 2007..?

Why should they? This is an ongoing investigation, it hasn't concluded.

What will be interesting is whether or not the press start to mention Eddie and Keela once they see dogs on-site in PDL. SY may have reasons for not mentioning them (whitewash / cunning plan depending on your view) but the press can certainly write about them in a non-libellous way as their use and findings are matters of public record. So far not a single word on them in 3 years. We shall see...

Wonder if they will use these 'better' dogs (as I believe they were reported) in the same areas that Eddie and Keela were used. If so then the outcomes could go one of several ways I suppose. If they dont alert then no doubt a lot of people will then take that as a sign to dismiss the original dogs, even though it was a good few years ago when things were a bit more fresh. If they do alert, will SY take that as a sign that MM did die in the appartment and possibly uphold the bungled burglary scenario or could they use that in the other possible scenario that they are actually investigating K&G?

by cass7 28.05.14 12:23

ok 7 years is a long time and many things have been whooshed , and there will have been many cases since 2007 where the dogs have been right , it is what they find after the dogs indicate , with dna advances too , whatever is found i really hope that another country is watching on for fair play nothing added nothing missing , also i forget too much but 15 out of 19 markers , was that in 5a , or and the car