"Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

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One of the places where Scotland Yard wants to use the sniffer dogs and the georadar is on the 25 de Abril street, in the vicinity of the Ocean Club and by the church. The area, which the helicopter overflew three times, was undergoing construction works when Madeleine disappeared, seven years ago. If anything suspicious is detected, they will excavate.

Besides the searches, which were already allowed by the Public Prosecutor of Portimão, the letters rogatory also request for eight people to be questioned. Some used to work at the Ocean Club resort whilst are not linked in any way.

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in Jornal de Notícias, paper edition (page 13), May 9, 2014

Rua 25 de Abril is where Smithman was heading towards.

This could be interesting.  But I heard it was searched after she disappeared?

I very much doubt somebody could simply fall into some road construction and then get buried unnoticed by workers.

However if the body was concealed even just under a very shallow coating of soil/rubble it could well be possible.  Saying that though the person would be taking a huge risk the body wouldn't be found.  Especially if the thought a search would be under way.

 
Rua 25 de Abril is also the street where Sergey Malinka lived.

25th April is also Paedophile Pride day.

And this is Sergey Malinka's burnt out vehicle as at 21st March 2008 with the word "fala" in red paint on the pavement.  It is outside the house of his parents on Rua 25 de Abril where he was living at the time. Fala means 'speak', 'talk'.

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Oh dear, the militant 'boycott Portugal' McCann 'supporter' doesn't even know her name. Sheeesh... talking about stupid.

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WHO the fcuk is madeline McCain?  

Gerry McCann knows a 'Margaret' McCann, dosen't he?

   

"Unbelievably shocking"?

THAT 'PHRASE' could start a 100 page topic, by itself!

"Unbelievably shocking" that the parent of a missing child did NOT search for her.

"Unbelievably shocking" that Carter Fcuked and McCann lawyer will not ever say 'Madeleine was abducted'

"Unbelievably shocking' that the McCanns left their THREE children, all under 4 years old, in a totally unlocked apartment, abroad, out of sight and earshot, whilst they dined with their friends, EVERY night!

"Unbelievably shocking" that the very last person to have admitted to have 'seen' a 'live' Madeleine is NOT a 'suspect or person of interest!

"Unbelievably shocking" that THREE of the McCanns doctor 'buddies' tried to 'fit up' RM!

"Unbelievably shocking" that the parents of the missing child, who were made arguidos, are being given, so they say, minute by minute 'updates' from the investigating police force.

"Unbelievably shocking" that the McCanns used 'donations', given specifically for 'searching for Madeleine' (or so they THOUGHT) from the public, to pay off mortgage 'repayments'

"Unbelievably shocking" that the McCanns pay a spokesman £28,000pa as a 'retainer' paid for by 'donations from the public' to their PRIVATE company 'fund'

"Unbelievably shocking" that the mother of the missing child was somehow GLAD the investigation was CLOSED.

"Unbelievably shocking" that the mother of the missing child said 'whether the case, of my missing daughter, is re-opened, or NOT, it dosen't matter'

"Unbelievably shocking" that the parents did NOT 'fight, tooth and nail' to NEVER have the case of their missing child shelved, and NEVER, EVER 'asked' for it to be 'unshelved' even though that was their absolute right''

"Unbelievably shocking" that a man, JW, was in the very street, at the exact time, chatting to his tennis buddy, GM, when the child 'was abducted' did NOT get a teeny, weeny 'mention' on TWO timelines, even though, the people compiling the timelines were chatting about him meeting Gerry, two hours BEFORE they put 'pen to paper'!
People 'mentioned' and timed BEFORE JW, people 'mentioned' and timed AFTER JW, in the TWO timelines, but NO 'mention' of JW!

etc.,etc.

I  just noticed this on McCannfiles while looking for something else. It is under Timeline: key events.
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Wednesday June 13 (2007)

• An anonymous letter sent to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf claims Madeleine's body is buried in deserted scrubland only nine miles from where she was abducted.

Mirage wrote:I  just noticed this on McCannfiles while looking for something else. It is under Timeline: key events.
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Wednesday June 13

• An anonymous letter sent to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf claims Madeleine's body is buried in deserted scrubland only nine miles from where she was abducted.

At the time the letter was probably posted, the McCanns were in Amsterdam.

I believe the location marked on the map was a dirt-track near a little village called Arao (haven't added the funny accent thingy). Easy to find on Google Maps.

I'm not convinced though, I still think the burial site was very close to PdL.

PeterMac wrote:Scotland Yard arrived on Wednesday
They flew around on Thursday
They left on Friday
It is clear that everything to do with this visit was planned long ago, with official sanctions at the highest possible level,
what is equally clear is that no one is leaking.
Brunt had no idea what was going on.

Maybe that's one of the reasons they used a helicopter. If they had driven somewhere, the press would have been able to follow.

Cristobell, you wrote, "Yet still, as far as I can see, no sign of confessions - as Kate said in 'KH1', both she and Gerry are finishers."

Kate and Gerry have to hang tough forever, but the same is not true of their friends. If any of the Tapas Nine knows what really happened to Madeleine, those people may crack, especially since, seven years later, they can no longer be worried that they'll be in trouble for having left their own kids alone when they went out to dinner that night.

I know we have to be careful about defaming the McCanns on these forums, so I emphasize that the following is speculation, not fact...if the Tapas Nine know anything that would implicate the McCanns, these extensive digs in Portugal may spook them enough to blad to the authorities. If the McCanns did stage this abduction and dispose of Madeleine's body (perhaps after she'd died in an accident whilst they were out one night), then the fury of the world directed at the McCanns will be much greater than it ever was against the members of the group for irresponsibly leaving their kids without babysitters the night Madeleine disappeared.

Seven years after Madeleine's disappearance, are all of the Tapas Nine still believing the abduction story? And are all of them still worried they'll lose custody of their own children? And are all of them still determined to carry water for Kate and Gerry McCann? ALl it would take is for ONE of them to crack and say that even some of the official Tapas Nine story was fake, for the wheels to start coming off the wagon,

Madeleine McCann: Search to begin on private land
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Portuguese authorities have granted permission for one site in the town of Praia da Luz to be examined as part the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance, the BBC understands.
Permission has been granted for a "field operation" to begin on a section of private land, sources have said.
The Met Police, which is leading the investigation, declined to comment.
Met detectives are understood to have left Portugal after spending two days with Portuguese police in the Algarve.
BBC reporter Richard Bilton, in Praia da Luz, said Portuguese authorities had so far granted permission to begin a search on the land, which could begin in "days" or "weeks".
Investigative work
He said he had been told him that British teams want to conduct more searches, but have yet to make an official request, which could take "weeks" to process.
It is thought that Metropolitan Police detectives have discussed a timetable for investigative work that Portuguese police will carry out for the British team, he added.
The development comes after reports suggested search teams were expected to start excavating sites in the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine - then aged three - went missing on 3 May 2007.
Met Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley this week said "activity" was expected to begin in Portugal [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
It also comes after Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, posted a statement on the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] on Thursday criticising "media interference" over newspaper speculation in the case.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]The McCann family was staying at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz when Madeleine disappeared
They warned they were "dismayed" at speculation which could "potentially damage and destroy the investigation altogether".
They added: "There is an on-going, already challenging, police investigation taking place and media interference in this way not only makes the work of the police more difficult."
"As Madeleine's parents, this just compounds our distress," they added.
The seventh anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance was marked on Saturday.
Scotland Yard launched a fresh investigation - codenamed Operation Grange - into Madeleine's disappearance last July.
In March, British police then said they were seeking an intruder who sexually abused five girls in Portugal between 2004 and 2006.
Detectives said the attacks happened in holiday villas occupied by UK families in the Algarve.
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Thursday 3 May 2007: Timeline
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• 20:30 Kate and Gerry McCann leave their apartment to have dinner at a Tapas bar
  
• 21:05 Gerry McCann checks on Madeleine and her siblings
  
• 22:00 A man is seen carrying a child wearing pyjamas heading towards the ocean
  
• 22:00 Kate McCann raises the alarm that Madeleine has gone missing
  

“One of the places where Scotland Yard wants to use the sniffer dogs and the georadar is on the 25 de Abril street, in the vicinity of the Ocean Club and by the church.”
 
“Rua 25 de Abril is where Smithman was heading towards.”
 
“Rua 25 de Abril is also the street where Sergey Malinka lived.”
 
Rua 25 de Abril is where the empty apartment called ‘Vilamura’ is - No.5, IIRC. The one that lies a few yards on from the ‘Smith sighting’. Can't retrieve my original post now, from the start of this forum.
 
Worth a look?, as good a place as any to start, I’d’ve thought.

Just noticed this on twitter but prob best taken with a pinch of salt...



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Reality and fiction can get a little confused. When Francis Ford Coppola was making the film 'Apocalypse Now'  (in the days before computer generated images) he hired a squadron of Philippine army helicopters as they still used the right Vietnam war era model. From the Mail: 'One of the film's emblematic scenes has American helicopter gunships flying into battle with Wagner's apocalyptic Ride Of The Valkyries blaring from loudspeakers in the cabins and down to the villagers below. But after the first take, the choppers were suddenly called away. President Marcos of the Philippines - from whose army they had been hired - needed their firepower to take out some real rebels on another island.'

Andrew77R wrote:Just noticed this on twitter but prob best taken with a pinch of salt...



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I'm not sure where she's got that SY agree with dismissing the burglars and smelly man.  It's not in the article as translated by Joana Morais. Unless she knows something we don't!

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Rua 25 de Abril is where the empty apartment called ‘Vilamura’ is - No.5, IIRC. The one that lies a few yards on from the ‘Smith sighting’. Can't retrieve my original post now, from the start of this forum.

Help me out - there was some cryptic reference somewhere to this place, was there not? But it was mistakenly thought to refer to Vilamoura?

Where have I read that at?

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Witness statement
Fabio Alexandre Rodrigues Marques
Date: 2007-05-31
Occupation: Machine Operator
He comes to the process as a witness.
He works for the company Canana and Sons since the 1st May of this year carrying out the functions of machine operator, having signed a work contract on the same date. That since this time, he began works on the works already in progress on some of the roads in P da L. According to his functions since 1st May, the witness began to open passages in the main roads using a mini drill, these passages were destined for the installation of electrical cables and drains for rain water respectively, in Rua Direita.
When questioned, the witness replies that the passages and holes made were generally covered up on the same day they were made.
In relation to other openings that could have remained open during the night, from one day to another, the witness says that in the case of the passages, anyone who would fall in would be visible from the road and that the other openings were too small for a two year old child to fall in. The witness adds that these openings would in turn be linked to a series of conducts of a larger size, knowing that in order to link an opening to a conduct, an orifice would be opened in the latter, opened up using a drill. These conducts would have round metallic covers. He saw some of these covers open, for the purposes of being levelled with the pavement, however he knows they were closed at the end of the working day.
When questioned, the witness says that he remembers that on the day following the disappearance, on 4th May, various GNR officers with dogs appeared on the scene, who had come to examine the possibility that the girl might be in one of the openings. The witness says that following the events he paid more attention to the work site and never saw anything abnormal, namely the fact that the missing child could be there.
When asked, the witness says that he considers that there were no openings, that due to their size, location or to being open could present a risk for a child to fall in and disappear.

But then if the dogs are notoriously unreliable, they might have MISSED her ! !

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:Time of year could well be significant.  Perhaps it is not just good timing that this search has begun at the same time of year that Madeleine disappeared.

Yes, I think the time of year would be significant. I don't think they would choose the holiday season without good reason.

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

listener wrote:
 
Rua 25 de Abril is where the empty apartment called ‘Vilamura’ is - No.5, IIRC. The one that lies a few yards on from the ‘Smith sighting’. Can't retrieve my original post now, from the start of this forum.

Help me out - there was some cryptic reference somewhere to this place, was there not? But it was mistakenly thought to refer to Vilamoura?

Where have I read that at?

Apologies for replying to my own post, but I found it myself - an anonymous letter to this forum's owner, no less.

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So, it has been announced to the world that some time soon, digging for evidence will commence.

Now, if there is anything to be found, the person(s) in the know must be in a state of panic.

Would they dare attempt to remove that evidence before it gets found...?

If so, then maybe it wouldn't be so daft if the police were looking for recently disturbed ground.

Lance De Boils wrote:So, it has been announced to the world that some time soon, digging for evidence will commence.

Now, if there is anything to be found, the person(s) in the know must be in a state of panic.

Would they dare attempt to remove that evidence before it gets found...?

If so, then maybe it wouldn't be so daft if the police were looking for recently disturbed ground.

Happens frequently in crime dramas, but surely no-one is that stupid in real life ;-)

Lance De Boils wrote:So, it has been announced to the world that some time soon, digging for evidence will commence.

Now, if there is anything to be found, the person(s) in the know must be in a state of panic.

Would they dare attempt to remove that evidence before it gets found...?

If so, then maybe it wouldn't be so daft if the police were looking for recently disturbed ground.

I guess if you really believed in the whole whitewash scenario then maybe OG flew in, removed all said evidence, flew back and job's a good un..

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

Clay Regazzoni wrote:

listener wrote:
 
Rua 25 de Abril is where the empty apartment called ‘Vilamura’ is - No.5, IIRC. The one that lies a few yards on from the ‘Smith sighting’. Can't retrieve my original post now, from the start of this forum.

Help me out - there was some cryptic reference somewhere to this place, was there not? But it was mistakenly thought to refer to Vilamoura?

Where have I read that at?

Apologies for replying to my own post, but I found it myself - an anonymous letter to this forum's owner, no less.

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I was about to post that I remember Vilamura being mentioned in Brian's first dream post - I'm quite embarrassed that I remember that!

Last time we saw OG in the village they had a black 4x4 ?...did they venture into the hinterland for some reason on that occasion ?...and the small helicopter couldn't possibly hold the whole OG posse ...so where were the others ? in the 4x4 again ? ... or perhaps just in the duty free shop ?...the helicopter was predictably seen over the village .. maybe as a blind ...where did it begin its flight ? and did it search anywhere else before arriving appeasing the media over the village ?

Rasputin wrote:Last time we saw OG in the village they had a black 4x4 ?...did they venture into the hinterland for some reason on that occasion ?...and the small helicopter couldn't possibly hold the whole OG posse ...so where were the others ? in the 4x4 again ? ... or perhaps just in the duty free shop ?...the helicopter was predictably  seen over the village .. maybe as a blind ...where did it begin its flight ? and did it search anywhere else before arriving  appeasing the media over the village ?

As distractions go, a helicopter flying over PdL is a pretty good one.

Off topic slightly .

just got an email from a client who wanted me to do a PR press job for the NHS the name.................................. KATE McCANN. Thankfully she is the PR contact ,but i nearly spat my cornflakes out  

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Rasputin wrote:Last time we saw OG in the village they had a black 4x4 ?...did they venture into the hinterland for some reason on that occasion ?...and the small helicopter couldn't possibly hold the whole OG posse ...so where were the others ? in the 4x4 again ? ... or perhaps just in the duty free shop ?...the helicopter was predictably  seen over the village .. maybe as a blind ...where did it begin its flight ? and did it search anywhere else before arriving  appeasing the media over the village ?

As distractions go, a helicopter flying over PdL is a pretty good one.

Yes, and if they were actually doing some proper Sherlock Holmes style detective work then surely they would need a BIG DISTRACTION.

stillsloppingout wrote:Off topic slightly .

just got an email from a client who wanted me to do a PR press job for the NHS the name.................................. KATE McCANN. Thankfully she is the PR contact ,but i nearly spat my cornflakes out  

I have a work colleague called Kate McCann. Lots of them about!

Andrew77R wrote:

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:

Rasputin wrote:Last time we saw OG in the village they had a black 4x4 ?...did they venture into the hinterland for some reason on that occasion ?...and the small helicopter couldn't possibly hold the whole OG posse ...so where were the others ? in the 4x4 again ? ... or perhaps just in the duty free shop ?...the helicopter was predictably  seen over the village .. maybe as a blind ...where did it begin its flight ? and did it search anywhere else before arriving  appeasing the media over the village ?

As distractions go, a helicopter flying over PdL is a pretty good one.

Yes, and if they were actually doing some proper Sherlock Holmes style detective work then surely they would need a BIG DISTRACTION.

I'm not saying that the helicopter was there purely to be a distraction. It probably had a good purpose of its own. However, knowing that all the cameras of the press would be pointed skyward, it would seem like a great opportunity to go and do something unseen.

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I'm not saying that the helicopter was there purely to be a distraction.  It probably had a good purpose of its own.  However, knowing that all the cameras of the press would be pointed skyward, it would seem like a great opportunity to go and do something unseen.

I agree. It certainly would. Lets hope they made use of that.

Not sure if already posted somewhere but here's Pat Brown's new one..

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Andrew77R wrote:

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:


I'm not saying that the helicopter was there purely to be a distraction.  It probably had a good purpose of its own.  However, knowing that all the cameras of the press would be pointed skyward, it would seem like a great opportunity to go and do something unseen.

I agree. It certainly would. Lets hope they made use of that.

The helicopter also allows them to get to more distant places without the press following as could happen if they got around by vehicles..

They can get to all those remote ping locations...

Lance De Boils wrote:So, it has been announced to the world that some time soon, digging for evidence will commence.

Now, if there is anything to be found, the person(s) in the know must be in a state of panic.

Would they dare attempt to remove that evidence before it gets found...?

If so, then maybe it wouldn't be so daft if the police were looking for recently disturbed ground.

  i don't think they'll be looking for obviously disturbed ground but variations in the soil appearance. Apparently soil depth affects the way it looks from the air, moisture drains differently and plants will grown differently if the bit of soil they are on is shallower than that around it, ie. is on top of something. In archaeology, burials thousands of years old still give off these indications.

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The helicopter also allows them to get to more distant places without the press following as could happen if they got around by vehicles..

They can get to all those remote ping locations...

Yep, very true.

Does anyone know if Redwood himself was actually in one of those choppers... 

Or was he orchestrating things from a seafront bar enjoying 2 for 1 cocktails.