Re: "Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

by **tigger** 09.05.14 18:14

ChippyM wrote:
Lance De Boils wrote:So, it has been announced to the world that some time soon, digging for evidence will commence.

Now, if there is anything to be found, the person(s) in the know must be in a state of panic.

Would they dare attempt to remove that evidence before it gets found...?

If so, then maybe it wouldn't be so daft if the police were looking for recently disturbed ground.

i don't think they'll be looking for obviously disturbed ground but variations in the soil appearance. Apparently soil depth affects the way it looks from the air, moisture drains differently and plants will grown differently if the bit of soil they are on is shallower than that around it, ie. is on top of something. In archaeology, burials thousands of years old still give off these indications.

Not so much burials but remains of structures. You're talking about cropmarks but these can best be seen in a raking light at certain times of year. So near sunset usually.
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by russiandoll 09.05.14 18:20

Andrew77R wrote:Not sure if already posted somewhere but here's Pat Brown's new one..

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Read it and again I find myself asking why would the police forces of 2 countries, let alone one, play pretend and squander millions when if there is something which must never be revealed about the circumstances of Maddie's disappearance, the powers that be did not do what they normally do and bury it without the razzamatazz using the country's secret services. If there was a cover up and protect the Mcs at all cost [ they would be beneficiaries by default, being two doctors] then the secret must be huge and there would have been no publicity at all imo... no need for a simulated investigation.

by Newintown 09.05.14 18:28

I just caught the end of a report on the BBC news (about 6.20 p.m.) about someone being looked for in PDL, they spoke to a couple of people, it looked like they were on a beach mending fishing nets, and they said they didn't know much about this person.......

I don't know what it was all about but it was referring to the search for Madeleine. Of course I could have misinterpreted what they were talking about as I only heard the last few minutes, but I'm sure they were referring to a person and not the PJ/SY searching.

Is this what GM was referring to when he said on recent TV interviews that there were still "more leads that needed looking in to" (I can't remember his exact words) and TM are now giving out more ridiculous leads to the media to send the PJ and SY on more wild goose chases, before the real perpetrators are apprehended.

ETA: I'll have to watch it again at 7.00 p.m. to see if it's repeated

by SixMillionQuid 09.05.14 18:28

russiandoll wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:Not sure if already posted somewhere but here's Pat Brown's new one..

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Read it and again I find myself asking why would the police forces of 2 countries, let alone one, play pretend and squander millions when if there is something which must never be revealed about the circumstances of Maddie's disappearance, the powers that be did not do what they normally do and bury it without the razzamatazz using the country's secret services. If there was a cover up and protect the Mcs at all cost [ they would be beneficiaries by default, being two doctors] then the secret must be huge and there would have been no publicity at all imo... no need for a simulated investigation.

The risk in the early days was that if someone talked they would be believed. Once 'public relations' got involved while the original investigation was carried out anyone that did 'talk' would not be believed. Now with two police forces not interested in the T9 anyone that does talk wont be believed or they risk libel. The PR has done its work. dance

by ChippyM 09.05.14 18:32

tigger wrote:
ChippyM wrote:
Lance De Boils wrote:So, it has been announced to the world that some time soon, digging for evidence will commence.

Now, if there is anything to be found, the person(s) in the know must be in a state of panic.

Would they dare attempt to remove that evidence before it gets found...?

If so, then maybe it wouldn't be so daft if the police were looking for recently disturbed ground.

i don't think they'll be looking for obviously disturbed ground but variations in the soil appearance. Apparently soil depth affects the way it looks from the air, moisture drains differently and plants will grown differently if the bit of soil they are on is shallower than that around it, ie. is on top of something. In archaeology, burials thousands of years old still give off these indications.

Not so much burials but remains of structures. You're talking about cropmarks but these can best be seen in a raking light at certain times of year. So near sunset usually.
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Thanks, I have read some more and understand you wouldn't be able to see individual burials, so they are probably not looking for cropmarks then. That forensics lady they had on sky news was probably spouting non-sense and pure speculation then.

by russiandoll 09.05.14 18:34

ok sixmillion.......but what is so enormous that it needs millions spending on it to ensure that it is concealed?

by Lance De Boils 09.05.14 18:39

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
Lance De Boils wrote:So, it has been announced to the world that some time soon, digging for evidence will commence.

Now, if there is anything to be found, the person(s) in the know must be in a state of panic.

Would they dare attempt to remove that evidence before it gets found...?

If so, then maybe it wouldn't be so daft if the police were looking for recently disturbed ground.

Happens frequently in crime dramas, but surely no-one is that stupid in real life ;-)

I agree. Surely not?!

by ShuBob 09.05.14 18:43

IMO there will be no cover up. Apart from anything else, the climate for cover-up in the UK is not right what with the high profile prosecutions that are happening.

PS: With this latest activity, I am reminded of how the PJ wrong-footed the press in the summer of 2007 as they dug Murat's garden.

by Guest 09.05.14 18:47

ShuBob wrote:IMO there will be no cover up. Apart from anything else, the climate for cover-up in the UK is not right what with the high profile prosecutions that are happening.

PS: With this latest activity, I am reminded of how the PJ wrong-footed the press in the summer of 2007 as they dug Murat's garden.

Welcome back ShuBob, I agree. yes

by ShuBob 09.05.14 18:47

candyfloss wrote:
ShuBob wrote:IMO there will be no cover up. Apart from anything else, the climate for cover-up in the UK is not right what with the high profile prosecutions that are happening.

PS: With this latest activity, I am reminded of how the PJ wrong-footed the press in the summer of 2007 as they dug Murat's garden.

Welcome back ShuBob, I agree.

Thanks Candy roses

by jozi 09.05.14 18:52

candyfloss wrote:
ShuBob wrote:IMO there will be no cover up. Apart from anything else, the climate for cover-up in the UK is not right what with the high profile prosecutions that are happening.

PS: With this latest activity, I am reminded of how the PJ wrong-footed the press in the summer of 2007 as they dug Murat's garden.

Welcome back ShuBob, I agree.

Hi ShuBob...where you been ??? Good to see you back. I also agree things are moving in the right direction. friends

by Guest 09.05.14 18:53

russiandoll wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:Not sure if already posted somewhere but here's Pat Brown's new one..

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Read it and again I find myself asking why would the police forces of 2 countries, let alone one, play pretend and squander millions when if there is something which must never be revealed about the circumstances of Maddie's disappearance, the powers that be did not do what they normally do and bury it without the razzamatazz using the country's secret services. If there was a cover up and protect the Mcs at all cost [ they would be beneficiaries by default, being two doctors] then the secret must be huge and there would have been no publicity at all imo... no need for a simulated investigation.

Pat's really not convinced at all....

Her latest tweet.

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by Shhh 09.05.14 19:02

Trying to catch up. First page mention of vegetation & why military helicopter not civilian. Infa red camera?

by TheTruthWillOut 09.05.14 19:04

What I really can't get my head round is why the McCann's have kept the story in the news for 7 years when they could have just let it die and be forgotten by most.

I mean, if they had let it die when the PJ closed the case in 2008, would the current investigation be happening at all?

by sallypelt 09.05.14 19:05

Andrew77R wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:Not sure if already posted somewhere but here's Pat Brown's new one..

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Read it and again I find myself asking why would the police forces of 2 countries, let alone one, play pretend and squander millions when if there is something which must never be revealed about the circumstances of Maddie's disappearance, the powers that be did not do what they normally do and bury it without the razzamatazz using the country's secret services. If there was a cover up and protect the Mcs at all cost [ they would be beneficiaries by default, being two doctors] then the secret must be huge and there would have been no publicity at all imo... no need for a simulated investigation.
Pat's really not convinced at all....

Her latest tweet.

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Can someone enlighten me? Does Pat Brown have inside knowledge? How does she know that they are searching where the "British Paedophile"

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SY is not searching where the McCanns might have moved Maddie's body, but where a visiting Brit pedophile might have hidden her. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Can someone enlighten me? Does Pat Brown have inside knowledge? How does she know that they are searching where the "British Paedophile might have buried her"? Saying that one is of the opinion that this may be the case, is one thing, but stating it as fact is not worth a jot.

by Guest 09.05.14 19:07

TheTruthWillOut wrote:What I really can't get my head round is why the McCann's have kept the story in the news for 7 years when they could have just let it die and be forgotten by most.

I mean, if they had let it die when the PJ closed the case in 2008, would the current investigation be happening at all?

The Fund?

by TheTruthWillOut 09.05.14 19:22

BlackCatBoogie wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:What I really can't get my head round is why the McCann's have kept the story in the news for 7 years when they could have just let it die and be forgotten by most.

I mean, if they had let it die when the PJ closed the case in 2008, would the current investigation be happening at all?
The Fund?

The irony if that ends up being the case! Although I agree the fund is part of it, I believe there just has to be more to it somehow.

I believe the theory of Amaral........accidental death and disposal of a body, but what we have witnessed the last 7 years comes nowhere close to covering 'just' that IMO.

Just have to wait and see if any evidence is found, I guess.

by Guest 09.05.14 19:32

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
listener wrote:

Rua 25 de Abril is where the empty apartment called ‘Vilamura’ is - No.5, IIRC. The one that lies a few yards on from the ‘Smith sighting’. Can't retrieve my original post now, from the start of this forum.

Help me out - there was some cryptic reference somewhere to this place, was there not? But it was mistakenly thought to refer to Vilamoura?

Where have I read that at?

Apologies for replying to my own post, but I found it myself - an anonymous letter to this forum's owner, no less.

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Some interesting suggestions on page 2 of the Philomena thread CR:-

An empty apartment with a freezer in the basement utility room.

And a reference in the PJFiles saying:-

"The report on page 3998 and the inquirition on page

3459-a refers to two telephone communications that were received on the

night of the facts by KATE HEALY, from a bar that is located in Vilamoura.
It was possible to verify that it was a common friend/client between both".

So two telephone calls from Vilamoura to KM on the night of the 3rd - wonder what for...

I am staggered that there is a street named 25th April in Pria de Luz.
For anyone who doesn't know (one of) the significances of this date then google Alice Day.
Does it perhaps have other significance relevant to Portgual?

by Shhh 09.05.14 19:33

From a helicopter would it be possible to see anything on the sea bed? Technology allowing?

by Markus 2 09.05.14 19:37

Robert Murat has now taken legal action against Stephen D.Birch for trespassing on his property in July 2012. Instead of assisting Stephen in ascertaining whether the body of Madeleine McCann lies buried beneath his rear gravel driveway, Robert has elected to bring an action against Stephen through the Ministerio da Justica of Portugal....The action was launched on the 21 March 2014

It's been confirmed this morning by reporters in South Africa that Jenny Murat, Robert Murats mother has initiated a legal action against Stephen D. Birch for trespassing on her property two years ago. The question is why now ?????

Odd, and Murat a close friend of Sergey Malinka, Rua 25 de Abril is where Smithman was heading towards. Is there any likeness to the photo fit everyone thinks is G?
COULD BE imo

by Newintown 09.05.14 19:38

Newintown wrote:I just caught the end of a report on the BBC news (about 6.20 p.m.) about someone being looked for in PDL, they spoke to a couple of people, it looked like they were on a beach mending fishing nets, and they said they didn't know much about this person.......

I don't know what it was all about but it was referring to the search for Madeleine. Of course I could have misinterpreted what they were talking about as I only heard the last few minutes, but I'm sure they were referring to a person and not the PJ/SY searching.

Is this what GM was referring to when he said on recent TV interviews that there were still "more leads that needed looking in to" (I can't remember his exact words) and TM are now giving out more ridiculous leads to the media to send the PJ and SY on more wild goose chases, before the real perpetrators are apprehended.

ETA: I'll have to watch it again at 7.00 p.m. to see if it's repeated

Just to update that I watched the BBC news again and there was nothing about Madeleine as I saw an hour ago, how strange.

As I only saw the end of the report, it could have been about Kruger and his machine, I really wish I'd seen it all. I know I'm not going Doolally, I wonder if anyone else had seen it so they could say what it was about.

No doubt if the PJ are now looking for a body all sorts of things will be fed to the press to "disrupt the PJ investigation".

by sami 09.05.14 19:39

BlackCatBoogie wrote:
I am staggered that there is a street named 25th April in Pria de Luz.
For anyone who doesn't know the significance of this date then google Alice Day.
Does it perhaps have other significance relevant to Portgual?

All in my own opinion

Yes it does have a different significance in Portugal. It is their Freedom day which celebrates the revolution in the 70's.

by Shhh 09.05.14 19:39

Newintown wrote:I just caught the end of a report on the BBC news (about 6.20 p.m.) about someone being looked for in PDL, they spoke to a couple of people, it looked like they were on a beach mending fishing nets, and they said they didn't know much about this person.......

I don't know what it was all about but it was referring to the search for Madeleine. Of course I could have misinterpreted what they were talking about as I only heard the last few minutes, but I'm sure they were referring to a person and not the PJ/SY searching.

Is this what GM was referring to when he said on recent TV interviews that there were still "more leads that needed looking in to" (I can't remember his exact words) and TM are now giving out more ridiculous leads to the media to send the PJ and SY on more wild goose chases, before the real perpetrators are apprehended.

ETA: I'll have to watch it again at 7.00 p.m. to see if it's repeated

I caught that, over the noise of the kids I think they were making comparisons of a bloke with depression/mental health problems who is missing from. PDL & madeleine & how he doesn't get the headlines like she does

by Watching 09.05.14 19:40

BlackCatBoogie wrote:
I am staggered that there is a street named 25th April in Pria de Luz.
For anyone who doesn't know (one of) the significances of this date then google Alice Day.
Does it perhaps have other significance relevant to Portgual?

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by Guest 09.05.14 19:44

Watching wrote:
BlackCatBoogie wrote:
I am staggered that there is a street named 25th April in Pria de Luz.
For anyone who doesn't know (one of) the significances of this date then google Alice Day.
Does it perhaps have other significance relevant to Portgual?

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Thank you Sami and Watching - I am glad that explains the date reference. What a vile co-incidence.

by Newintown 09.05.14 19:53

Shhh wrote:
Newintown wrote:I just caught the end of a report on the BBC news (about 6.20 p.m.) about someone being looked for in PDL, they spoke to a couple of people, it looked like they were on a beach mending fishing nets, and they said they didn't know much about this person.......

I don't know what it was all about but it was referring to the search for Madeleine. Of course I could have misinterpreted what they were talking about as I only heard the last few minutes, but I'm sure they were referring to a person and not the PJ/SY searching.

Is this what GM was referring to when he said on recent TV interviews that there were still "more leads that needed looking in to" (I can't remember his exact words) and TM are now giving out more ridiculous leads to the media to send the PJ and SY on more wild goose chases, before the real perpetrators are apprehended.

ETA: I'll have to watch it again at 7.00 p.m. to see if it's repeated
I caught that, over the noise of the kids I think they were making comparisons of a bloke with depression/mental health problems who is missing from. PDL & madeleine & how he doesn't get the headlines like she does

Thanks for that. I thought they had shown a photo of a man, and someone said he was a good man, or something like that, so I immediately thought they were trying to pin Madeleine's disappearance on him.

It is disturbing when £millions are being spent on the Madeleine search, when so many other good causes could benefit. It makes my blood boil that the McCanns have never even intimated at sellling their Rothley mansion to help in the search for Madeleine, good grief, that is way beneath them when the gullible public can keep topping up their "Fund".

One man (the father of a girl who disappeared in Kenya whilst on holiday many years ago) sold his home to travel to Kenya and help the local police to find her. Her remains were unfortunately found in the ashes of a fire in the bush but he'd done everything he could, unlike the McCanns who have sat back and expected everyone else to do their bidding.

by ShuBob 09.05.14 19:57

Newintown wrote:

Just to update that I watched the BBC news again and there was nothing about Madeleine as I saw an hour ago, how strange.

As I only saw the end of the report, it could have been about Kruger and his machine, I really wish I'd seen it all. I know I'm not going Doolally, I wonder if anyone else had seen it so they could say what it was about.

No doubt if the PJ are now looking for a body all sorts of things will be fed to the press to "disrupt the PJ investigation".

You may be referring to this report by Richard Bilton:

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by Shhh 09.05.14 20:03

Newintown, that's what I first thought it's why I took more notice. Saw a pic of him & thought they'd found another swarthy bloke to blame.

I think the MSM backlash is slowly starting...

by ShuBob 09.05.14 20:23

jozi wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
ShuBob wrote:IMO there will be no cover up. Apart from anything else, the climate for cover-up in the UK is not right what with the high profile prosecutions that are happening.

PS: With this latest activity, I am reminded of how the PJ wrong-footed the press in the summer of 2007 as they dug Murat's garden.



Welcome back ShuBob, I agree.

Hi ShuBob...where you been ??? Good to see you back. I also agree things are moving in the right direction.

Hi Jozi

Nothing was happening so I took the opportunity to get on with life laughat

by Okeydokey 09.05.14 20:30

BlackCatBoogie wrote:
Watching wrote:
BlackCatBoogie wrote:
I am staggered that there is a street named 25th April in Pria de Luz.
For anyone who doesn't know (one of) the significances of this date then google Alice Day.
Does it perhaps have other significance relevant to Portgual?

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Thank you Sami and Watching - I am glad that explains the date reference. What a vile co-incidence.

Only one of 19 coincidences. Wikipedia lists 19 holidays and special observances for the day. You'll probably find the same for every day in the calendar as there are nearly 200 countries on the planet.

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