"Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

plebgate wrote:

russiandoll wrote:Agree with this from you newintown   " Would you really want your whole life scrutinised bit by bit for the whole World to read about?  (Don't forget this forum is read Worldwide). "

I doubt Mr Smith would be content to know that his business life is being scrutinised. I agree with Clay. What on earth has this to do with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? 

 Thought CF had opened a new thread for posts re the Smith sighting to keep this thread on track.

I don't get that way of thinking at all.    A serious crime takes place and all one worries about is whether one's life will be scrutinised.   No don't get it at all.

 Martin Smith as far as I know has not come under suspicion for having played any part in the disappearance of Madeleine.

Châtelaine wrote:

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I hope that you will be back Chatelaine; we all need a break at times.

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Thank you NFWTD and others [also in PM and email    ]: but NO ... I will not accept the IMO unfounded vilification going on here. And I'm trying very hard not to have second thoughts about that. So it's better to stay away and not say things that both parties might regret afterwards  

Châteleine, you're made of better stuff than this. I hope you don't go. PM me.

russiandoll wrote:

plebgate wrote:

russiandoll wrote:Agree with this from you newintown   " Would you really want your whole life scrutinised bit by bit for the whole World to read about?  (Don't forget this forum is read Worldwide). "

I doubt Mr Smith would be content to know that his business life is being scrutinised. I agree with Clay. What on earth has this to do with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? 

 Thought CF had opened a new thread for posts re the Smith sighting to keep this thread on track.

I don't get that way of thinking at all.    A serious crime takes place and all one worries about is whether one's life will be scrutinised.   No don't get it at all.

 Martin Smith as far as I know has not come under suspicion for having played any part in the disappearance of Madeleine.

I didn't say he has.   As newintown might say, please read posts word for word.

russiandoll wrote: I agree with Clay. What on earth has this to do with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? 

The 'Smith sighting' was virtually the central focus of the BBC CrimeWatch 'McCann Special'.

The major issue here is the entire credibility of the Smiths' sightings.

Of course it's relevant if Martin Smith has made up the names of several directors/shareholders of Golf Net Limited.

If all that is completely untrue, how can we trust him to tell the truth about anything?


'Accept nothing. Question everything'

russiandoll wrote:

 Martin Smith as far as I know has not come under suspicion for having played any part in the disappearance of Madeleine.

I'm certainly not saying that - and no-one else is.

russiandoll wrote:

plebgate wrote:

russiandoll wrote:Agree with this from you newintown   " Would you really want your whole life scrutinised bit by bit for the whole World to read about?  (Don't forget this forum is read Worldwide). "

I doubt Mr Smith would be content to know that his business life is being scrutinised. I agree with Clay. What on earth has this to do with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? 

 Thought CF had opened a new thread for posts re the Smith sighting to keep this thread on track.

I don't get that way of thinking at all.    A serious crime takes place and all one worries about is whether one's life will be scrutinised.   No don't get it at all.

 Martin Smith as far as I know has not come under suspicion for having played any part in the disappearance of Madeleine.

You also omitted this part of my post from your reply RD


ETA - in any case, we don't know if that is what Mr. Smith was thinking at the time anyway.   So newintown, who offered it up originally I believe, gave an opinion, others are entitled to theirs.

Why do you believe MS has fabricated names?

 What are you implying by this?

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No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I hope that you will be back Chatelaine; we all need a break at times.

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Thank you NFWTD and others [also in PM and email    ]: but NO ... I will not accept the IMO unfounded vilification going on here. And I'm trying very hard not to have second thoughts about that. So it's better to stay away and not say things that both parties might regret afterwards  

Chatelaine, you say unfounded, and yes I agree with you. I believe what Mr Smith said what he remembered of that night.  However, people are entitled to their opinions and it is up to others to challenge those opinions, preferably with good honest facts.  If people just upped and left and didn't argue their case, then the other side wins don't they?  Stand up and fight   

By the way everyone I did say this Smith stuff was WAY OFF TOPIC! 

Tony Bennett wrote:

russiandoll wrote:

 Martin Smith as far as I know has not come under suspicion for having played any part in the disappearance of Madeleine.

I'm certainly not saying that - and no-one else is.

Exactly tony, nobody has/is, but we are told to read posts word for word.  couldn't make it up.  lol.

russiandoll wrote:Why do you believe MS has fabricated names?

 What are you implying by this?

Where have I stated that MS has fabricated ANYTHING????

I find the monstering of the Smith family- and to an extent, Murat- rather depressing.

Tony Bennett wrote:

russiandoll wrote:

 Martin Smith as far as I know has not come under suspicion for having played any part in the disappearance of Madeleine.

I'm certainly not saying that - and no-one else is.

 I am aware of that. I do not understand why he is being drawn into the conspiracy, that's all. You have called this man and some of his family liars.

 There is foundation for calling the McCanns and their holiday companions liars, but none whatever for the same re the Smiths.

 I believe for that reason he is entitled to some privacy

plebgate wrote:

russiandoll wrote:Why do you believe MS has fabricated names?

 What are you implying by this?

Where have I stated that MS has fabricated ANYTHING????

Pardon me for interjecting here, but I think you're at cross-purposes - I believe this was directed at Tony, could be wrong though.

plebgate wrote:

russiandoll wrote:Why do you believe MS has fabricated names?

 What are you implying by this?

Where have I stated that MS has fabricated ANYTHING????

 sorry, that was addressed to Tony's post re MS and his business.

Asking questions is imo, not monstering anyone, but as CF says we can all have an opinion.

russiandoll wrote:

plebgate wrote:

russiandoll wrote:Why do you believe MS has fabricated names?

 What are you implying by this?

Where have I stated that MS has fabricated ANYTHING????

 sorry, that was addressed to Tony's post re MS and his business.

Thanks RD and WLBTS.

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Every other witness statement in this case has been questioned. I don't see why the Smith's statements should be any different. All of the lies surrounding this whole case make it very difficult to believe anything or anyone  

Oops sorry! Have just seen your message NFWTD.

Well with regards to all this Smith talk that appears to be getting slightly out of hand then i still stand by my original theory on Page 41.

Add the fact that there business affairs were most certainly not quite 100%. Then more reason IMO not to go to the police sooner.

Quite simple really.

Just a question RE the Smith sighting . if i  really did see something that was key to the biggest case in a generation , i would obviously inform the Police . and unless there was an injunction etc in place . i would do what everybody does these days appoint a Max Clifford type character to sell my story to UK, irish Television , UK Mag's ,European TV  shows ,possible US TV ,with them being irish they would love them . so apart from i think an Irish TV appearance . none of the above ? ... why  as this would make them a lot of money . i would guess  over 100k

 1. they have been given a large pay off , to buy silence . 1a , they have approached media via an agent an have been told no can't touch this case with a barge poll .

 2 they have been advised not to do TV it could predudice any future trial ? or warned off [ as a poster said something along the lines of trouble follows this case . ] is that legal trouble from UK lawyers ?. or more sinister trouble ?

3  they are like many people these days attention seekers , [ and there were many in the first few days of the case, even people making a pilgrimage to Rothey to be close to the family !!! ] who have due to all the smoke and mirrors been used by the UK Police because it fits there agenda , and the McCann's too because it adds more confusion to the mix .

So its either they are scared they would be exposed as fabricating chancers , or 1a applies . IMO.

Imo, the Smiths are the only people to have acted honourably throughout this entire charade.  If they have been guilty of a little ducking and diving in their business affairs, so what?  How many peoples' businesses could stand up to close scrutiny - its shark eat shark out there.  The Smiths have avoided publicity, they have made no attempt whatsoever to cash in on the position they found themselves in, and the idea that the family would assist in the covering up of a heinous crime on behalf of someone they know only casually, is absurd.  

Tannerman was clearly an invention, the biggest shapeshifter in the entire saga, who might also have been a woman.  Smithman however is quite specific.  He has never changed,   If the Smith family were in this for financial gain, then in the summer of 2007, there was a reward of £2.6m on offer, which would have been far more tempting for the money orientated than covering up for a bloke down the pub.  In addition, the tabloids were going nuts for any story McCann related.  The Smiths have been steadfast - they resolved only to speak to the police, and they have stuck by that.  For those reasons, I too am uncomfortable with the scrutiny of their lives.

Georadar used in the King Ghob case may be used in the search for Madeleine McCann.

The Judiciary Police georadar used to search for the bodies of three victims of 'King Ghob' in 2010, could be used in searches requested by British authorities to try to locate the body of Madeleine McCann, who would today 11 years. The unit is ready to capture images of the subsurface and has been used in several cases to search for corpses or weapons used in crimes that have been buried. The decision is subject to the National Directorate of the PJ, which is assessing the means that will be used in searches and permitted investigators from Scotland Yard to assist the investigation. According to British media revealed yesterday, Kate and Gerry have asked Scotland Yard to delay the searches in Praia da Luz, Lagos, to be held just after the anniversary of Maddie, to be a sad day for the family. The English child disappeared a few days before making four years, May 3, 2007, the room where she was sleeping with her two twin brothers.

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 plus from me some info on this case

 "King Ghob" was tried in the Criminal Court of Torres Vedras for four murders, but was convicted only for triple homicide has not been been proven to prosecution for the murder of an elderly homeless.

The Court of Torres Vedras acquitted him of the murder of the homeless and sentenced him to 13 years in prison in a murder, 12 years and 18 years and the other half in another.

The three crimes of concealment of the cadaver, the court sentenced him to three years in prison, one year for each offense, while the practice of document forgery penalty was applied to 12 months. On the arrest of illegal weapon, "King Ghob" was sentenced to three months in prison.

In legal height, the court awarded a maximum penalty of 25 years and condemned Francisco Leitão pay 350,000 euros in damages to the families of victims.

Besides the sentencing to 25 years in prison, the maximum sentence in Portugal, was ordered to pay 350,000 euros in damages to the families of victims.

plebgate wrote:If Kennedy had knocked on my door he would have been sent away pronto and an injunction taken out barring further contact.

Would I like my life to be scrutinised, wouldn't mind in the least if it helped the police in their investigations.

Talking of if I have read posts, I can and do  read  posts and can form an opinion of when a bit of stirring is going on.

plebgate

Kennedy and his fellow Parallel Investigators and investigation  should have been told in no uncertain terms that if they carried on ' investigating ' and interfering with witnesses in an ongoing Portuguese investigation of a crime that they would be the first to visit a Judge nevermind anyone else. It didn't happen and is a reason why I understand Tony Benett's - and many others skepticism that more powerful forces were at work in PdL and probably still are. It still is ( and was ) illegal to conduct an investigation other than the official investigation of any crime in any Western country that I know of. SY are very aware of that.

Mr Amaral talks of  " deals " being made and as he was the lead officer in the case I take great note of what he refers to as he evidently was not in or privy to any " deals " that were made then or now.

Mr Smith knows RM and as Tony Bennett says quite rightly that Mr Smith only after seeing GM walking down the steps was 60 - 80% certain that it was the same man he saw that night. Not by facial recognition but by gait and stance and the way he held the twin.

I do note that for DI Redwood  the Irish version to come of Crimewatch was flagged up by Mr Redwood but never ocurred. There was a part apeeal but within a Crime programme on RTE before but nothing specific re: Madeleine was aired as far as I know.

The Smith sighting sems to me at least to form a great deal of evidence as proof that GM was the possible carrier/remover of Madeleine that night or alternatively it was a diversion whilst the real removing went on. This was around 9.58pm - 10.00 pm according to the statements but as far as I can see the alarm going off varies between just after 9.30 ( waiters/Tapas staff ?manager of Tapas) and Mrs Fenn's 10.30pm - so which is it?

For what it's worth in my opinion if this is a " story badly told" then it may be a result of having to act with speed so that shutters claimed to be up were down and doors entered from the front were at the back and that checks every half hour were maybe non at all and that the first bundleman was not a bundleman at all and the Smith sighting was a sighting but not GM or RM because Mr Smith and his family weren't sure
( as in concretely certain) and DI Redwood hasn't got round to excluding that bit so far.

Peeling onions can bring tears to your eyes. At the moment they are only tears of laughter at the farce being played out before the worlds media and public . I shouldn't laugh because at the bottom of this is a childs fate but ooking for something you know isn't there is a self deception. The Smiths are worth talking to,  as are Kennedy et al. The PJ couldn't/didn't do it. Perhaps you should Andy? You are British aren't you? You have the right it seems because of that fact.

Get on with it after you have really read the investigation files. All of them, not parts you agree with. You never know you could be known as the man who solved the greatest mystery of the 21st Century. That would look good on your CV.

russiandoll wrote:Georadar used in the King Ghob case may be used in the search for Madeleine McCann.

The Judiciary Police georadar used to search for the bodies of three victims of 'King Ghob' in 2010, could be used in searches requested by British authorities to try to locate the body of Madeleine McCann, who would today 11 years. The unit is ready to capture images of the subsurface and has been used in several cases to search for corpses or weapons used in crimes that have been buried. The decision is subject to the National Directorate of the PJ, which is assessing the means that will be used in searches and permitted investigators from Scotland Yard to assist the investigation. According to British media revealed yesterday, Kate and Gerry have asked Scotland Yard to delay the searches in Praia da Luz, Lagos, to be held just after the anniversary of Maddie, to be a sad day for the family. The English child disappeared a few days before making four years, May 3, 2007, the room where she was sleeping with her two twin brothers.

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 plus from me some info on this case

 "King Ghob" was tried in the Criminal Court of Torres Vedras for four murders, but was convicted only for triple homicide has not been been proven to prosecution for the murder of an elderly homeless.

The Court of Torres Vedras acquitted him of the murder of the homeless and sentenced him to 13 years in prison in a murder, 12 years and 18 years and the other half in another.

The three crimes of concealment of the cadaver, the court sentenced him to three years in prison, one year for each offense, while the practice of document forgery penalty was applied to 12 months. On the arrest of illegal weapon, "King Ghob" was sentenced to three months in prison.

In legal height, the court awarded a maximum penalty of 25 years and condemned Francisco Leitão pay 350,000 euros in damages to the families of victims.

Besides the sentencing to 25 years in prison, the maximum sentence in Portugal, was ordered to pay 350,000 euros in damages to the families of victims.

Interesting.  Seven years have passed since Mark Harrison's searches, no doubt technology has come on in leaps and bounds.

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Some latest tweets. Again, pinch of salt.... Not sure who her dad is though??



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Can anyone translate this tweet from someone supposedly in the know..

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Andrew77R wrote:Can anyone translate this tweet from someone supposedly in the know..

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It's an old article from October last year, not breaking news, just an opinion piece with no new information.

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Andrew77R wrote:Can anyone translate this tweet from someone supposedly in the know..

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It's an old article from October last year, not breaking news, just an opinion piece with no new information.

Apparently that isn't the breaking news, waiting for some more ...

The mcanns and others have been ruled out and even if they found maddie remains nothing would happen to the  mcanns or other it would be put down to an unknown sex attacker. Maybe theres no big conspiracy theory maybe the police genuinely believe in an unknown sex attacker and thats what there fully focused on after the cleared the group. Like them or not theres no real evidence against them as the dogs are NOT 100% reliable like you think they are. I cant stand the mcanns but you cannot believe what the media writes cos they distort the facts to suit themselves. If we knew everything about the case by fact then maybe you will see the mcanns as innocent.