Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

by petunia 07.05.14 21:13

I also remember this poster on the 3A's did his name include Black something or other?did this poster say Kate was a loose cannon and Jane Tanner came to the rescue.
he also said the beauty was in the footage, i think.

by **Nina** 07.05.14 21:19

Just watched Sky news and it looks a new piece of land to be examined, the area that Krugel had highlighted.

by margaret 07.05.14 21:28

petunia wrote:I also remember this poster on the 3A's did his name include Black something or other?did this poster say Kate was a loose cannon and Jane Tanner came to the rescue.
he also said the beauty was in the footage, i think.

Was that blacksmith? THE blacksmith???

I remember that too, 'Kate was the original loose cannon, she was supposed to take the mantle (? Or Jane took the mantle?) and the beauty of it is it's all in the footage.'

Can you remember there bring talk of some people outside the back of 5a that night, one was smoking l think? I thought perhaps that meant there was CCTV footage, some people thought it was the bloody footprint that was mentioned?

We're going back now!

by tasprin 07.05.14 21:30

Is this it?

juxtapose
2007
The PJ knew all along

When they refused to answer questions it confirmed their belief.
The ridicule from the British media re-inforced their determination.
The political pressure only sufficed to disprove coruption in the PJ.
But most important of all they have one piece of gold, evidence that cannot be reputed.
This visit is to clarify secondary evidence.
Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage
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by TheTruthWillOut 07.05.14 21:30

Just been Googling the wasteland area to be searched and am not sure if I have the right spot.

Looking at Google streetview shows a building site for Oceanico developments and looked them up. Looks like that is now a resort/hotel complex called Baia Da Luz.

How will they go about digging that place up? (if I have this right of course)

by Guest 07.05.14 21:34

margaret wrote:Was that blacksmith? THE blacksmith???

Or Blackwatch.

by ChippyM 07.05.14 21:35

tasprin wrote:
Atomic Peanut wrote:
canada12 wrote:In order for the PJ (and SY for that matter) to bring in better sniffer dogs than Eddie or Keela, or to have diggers or anything else, they need to have a reason, and those 3 or 4 or 5 plots of searchable land will do nicely. The sniffer dogs can go through the process, the ground radar can be deployed, the media can be handled. Meanwhile, elsewhere, a real search is going on, unobserved by prying eyes.
The first place the dogs should go is back into 5A

I very much doubt the dogs would pick up a scent on a hard floor after seven years. The floor may even have been retiled since then and the flat has probably been redecorated and professionally cleaned.

A cadaver dog was used recently in the Etan Patz case, he went missing in 1979. A body wasn't found were the dog indicated but the police seemed to think a dog could still pick up the scent of a body being there even for a day.

The dogs can definitely smell past cleaning and pick up scents ingrained in nooks and crannies.

by Shhh 07.05.14 21:37

I can't quote properlŷ buy couple of pages back mention of Charlotte Pennington statement of seeing someone on a boat. I recall this too.

Need to find GM pics re wedding ring....

by petunia 07.05.14 21:39

Blackwatch it was indeed.

by Hicks 07.05.14 21:41

Hamish Campbell, on BBC Breakfast this morning, said that they may not necessarily be looking for a body, he speculated that maybe clothes-equipment- may come to light. I haven't quoted him word for word but that was the gist. He used the words 'CLOTHES' and 'EQUIPMENT'.

I have often wondered if Charlotte Pennington may just have seen the vessel that took Madeleine out to sea. Apparently she knew the man in the reflective jacket kicking at something on the floor of his small boat/dinghy on the night Madeleine went missing, she gave his name to the PJ. Who was he? Did he have anything to do with the hire of sailing vessels at the OC ?
Was he the surfing friend to one of the group?

by Woofer 07.05.14 21:42

Quite a few pages back someone mentioned the large drainage pipes around PdL. It got me thinking to the 2 paratroopers, one of whom gave up his flat and sold his possessions just to go and look for Maddie. (He died in mysterious circumstances in 2010 apparently after taking morphine plus alcohol). He lived in Nelson and was cremated in nearby Skipton. These 2 men arrived in PdL on about 21st May 2007 and set up a camp and searched the terrain - see pics.

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If they`d done what they said they were going to do, wouldn`t they have found something?

McCanns hired the Scenic around the 27th IIRC.

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by Varriott 07.05.14 21:45

petunia wrote:I also remember this poster on the 3A's did his name include Black something or other?did this poster say Kate was a loose cannon and Jane Tanner came to the rescue.
he also said the beauty was in the footage, i think.

Was that Coldwater? He had a lot of people fooled.

by suzyjohnson 07.05.14 21:48

Issy wrote:
russiandoll wrote:
noddy100 wrote:Didn't Kate say the way she found the room ruled out woke and wandered

How Kate found 5a and its immediate outdoors area ruled that scenario out, in fact she felt that suggestion by police insulted her intelligence. How could a drowsy not yet 4 year old have taken the trouble to close everything behind her as she left? Kate found street-level gate, safety gate at top of steps, patio doors and curtains all closed when she went to check at 10 pm.

Yes, that's what Kate SAID she found. Kate said a lot of things, she contradicted some of them, so how do we know what's true and what isn't?

As someone said the other day what would be interesting to know is exactly why the McCanns wanted people to think that 'woke and wandered' was definitely not a possibility. Could it be because, supposing MM's body had been found, a post mortem would have revealed something inconsistent with 'woke and wandered' such as a head injury or sedation? In the event of an abduction, any such findings could be explain as something the abductor had done?

by Shhh 07.05.14 21:49

Didn't one of didn't one of those paratroopers die in odd circs ?

Pics of GM, not really relevant but appears to be wearing a ring apart from a still of the Spanish interview when he stormed out.

by Woofer 07.05.14 21:57

Shhh wrote:Didn't one of didn't one of those paratroopers die in odd circs ?

Pics of GM, not really relevant but appears to be wearing a ring apart from a still of the Spanish interview when he stormed out.

Yes, could be suspect - especially as it seems he was a bit unstable at the time and could have talked -

"Dr Zuhir Twage, a consultant pathologist, conducted post-mortem tests on the 48-year-old, which showed he had a blood alcohol level equivalent to having drunk 12 cans of beer.

But Dr Twage also found a significant amount of morphine in his system and said that this, combined with the effects of the alcohol, had caused the death.

Former partner Christina Ellis, who had ended their relationship shortly before Mr Sahlke's death, said that while the deceased had a recognised drink problem, he never smoked or took illegal drugs.

The inquest heard that Mr Sahlke was on a number of prescription medications, including the painkiller Tramadol, but nothing which contained morphine.

Recording an open verdict, East Lancashire coroner Richard Taylor said there was no evidence as to how Mr Sahlke had come to take morphine, but he could not ignore the medical finding."

by **Tony Bennett** 07.05.14 22:03

Hicks wrote:Hamish Campbell, on BBC Breakfast this morning, said that they may not necessarily be looking for a body, he speculated that maybe clothes-equipment- may come to light. I haven't quoted him word for word but that was the gist. He used the words 'CLOTHES' and 'EQUIPMENT'.

Hicks, if you've not seen it already, please look at my recent post on the previous track record of Hamish Campbell - especially in the cases of John Wilson (1996) and Jill Dando (1999):

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Weeks before Barry Bulsara was wrongly arrested and charged wirth murdering Jill Dando, Hamish Campbell was briefing the ever-compliant media that the police were now looking for 'an obsessive loner' whom they had (they clained) profiled as the likely killer of Dando. Weeks later and - hey presto! - they found and arrested Barry Bulsara - hardly the type, however, to carry out a professional contract-style killing with an accomplice tearing off in a blue Range Rover who could never be traced. Hamish Campbell's role in this and other cases is very very murky.

I think he also was the lead officer in the recent case of the 30-year-old homosexual MI5 officer who (allegedly) died after folding himself into a bag and then zipping himself up

by Dutchgirl 07.05.14 22:03

On Sky News now, Scotland Yard have arrived in Portugal. I noticed they have loads of luggage brief cases etc etc, big grin

Madeleine Police Arrive In Portugal For Digs
Forensics officers will use ground penetrating radar equipment to aid the search at three Praia da Luz sites.
10:07pm UK, Wednesday 07 May 2014
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Police officers arrive in Portugal. Pic: EXCLUSIVEPIX
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The investigation is based from Faro

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Scotland Yard detectives have arrived in Portugal to oversee the excavation of a number of sites as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
The digs for evidence are to take place at several locations in the resort where the youngster vanished in 2007.
Forensics officers are due to use ground penetrating radar equipment to aid the search at three sites in Praia da Luz.
Madeleine disappeared from the apartment she was staying in with her parents and two siblings on May 3, 2007. She was three years old at the time.
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Officers from the Metropolitan Police have also identified three potential suspects they want to talk to, not necessarily around Madeleine's disappearance, but who had been involved in break-ins in the area.
However, they have reportedly been refused permission by Portuguese authorities to search the homes of these burglary suspects, who used to work at the Ocean Complex at the time Madeleine vanished.
Sky's Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt, in Praia da Luz, said: "That's a blow for Scotland Yard."
He said disagreements over leaks to the media may delay British police in their efforts to scour areas they will be given access to.
"I'm not sure that those searches are going to begin quite so quickly," he said.
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"The Portuguese are making it very clear that they were not happy with journalists being briefed. It's not something that happens in this country and in fact, the Portuguese authorities, according to the Scotland Yard message last night, had threatened to stop any of the work once it begins if they hear that Scotland Yard are talking to reporters, or indeed if reporters are in any way disrupting the work.
"I get a sense that because of this developing row, that may put off what is going to happen soon, but maybe not in the next couple of days as we anticipated."
Kate McCann told Sky News last week, on the seventh anniversary of her daughter's disappearance, that she needed to know what happened - even if it was the "worst-case scenario".
"Madeleine's either alive or she isn't and we can't change that."

by HelenMeg 07.05.14 22:12

tasprin wrote:Is this it?

juxtapose
2007
The PJ knew all along

When they refused to answer questions it confirmed their belief.
The ridicule from the British media re-inforced their determination.
The political pressure only sufficed to disprove coruption in the PJ.
But most important of all they have one piece of gold, evidence that cannot be reputed.
This visit is to clarify secondary evidence.
Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage
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OMG i remember this back from the early days on 3arguidos!!

You dont suppose this refers to the CANNON camera (their second camera ) and the footage..no, probably not.
So who took over the mantle of being loose cannon?

by Hicks 07.05.14 22:17

Tony Bennett wrote:
Hicks wrote:Hamish Campbell, on BBC Breakfast this morning, said that they may not necessarily be looking for a body, he speculated that maybe clothes-equipment- may come to light. I haven't quoted him word for word but that was the gist. He used the words 'CLOTHES' and 'EQUIPMENT'.
Hicks, if you've not seen it already, please look at my recent post on the previous track record of Hamish Campbell - especially in the cases of John Wilson (1996) and Jill Dando (1999):

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Weeks before Barry Bulsara was wrongly arrested and charged wirth murdering Jill Dando, Hamish Campbell was briefing the ever-compliant media that the police were now looking for 'an obsessive loner' whom they had (they clained) profiled as the likely killer of Dando. Weeks later and - hey presto! - they found and arrested Barry Bulsara - hardly the type, however, to carry out a professional contract-style killing with an accomplice tearing off in a blue Range Rover who could never be traced. Hamish Campbell's role in this and other cases is very very murky.

I think he also was the lead officer in the recent case of the 30-year-old homosexual MI5 officer who (allegedly) died after folding himself into a bag and then zipping himself up

Depressing!

by KellyLennon 07.05.14 22:20

tasprin wrote:Is this it?

juxtapose
2007
The PJ knew all along

When they refused to answer questions it confirmed their belief.
The ridicule from the British media re-inforced their determination.
The political pressure only sufficed to disprove coruption in the PJ.
But most important of all they have one piece of gold, evidence that cannot be reputed.
This visit is to clarify secondary evidence.
Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage
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This from updated site Tasprin, regards huelva trip [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Your daughter has been missing for months. They tell the media they're going to Huelva to hand out leaflets but Gerry gets the trots so they put the trip off...only to then go on a public holiday the next day when the place is effectively closed...to increase awareness, and shake off the media. Hmmm right! But why Huelva? It is a chemical port town so not a tourist place. The McCanns lie about increasing awareness. Why? Well they never travelled to that big country in central Europe - FRANCE!

and

many lies were spun about the trip to Huelva and there has never been a motive for going to that industrial port city. To put it in context, it's like your kid goes missing in Leicester and you drive up to Hull on a bank holiday to hand out leaflets. It is unbelievably absurd.

by MissDaisy 07.05.14 22:21

canada12 wrote:
Shhh wrote:Something niggling back of my brain. The waste ground. Back on 3A someone used to post in riddles, was there not mention of "gold evidence" (something like that)

A lost ring? GM wedding band maybe? Lost on the wasteland already recovered?

Yes I remember that discussion. People were speculating about what the gold band could possibly be.
If it was a wedding band we'd need to see before and after pictures - were either Kate or Gerry wearing wedding rings in photos prior to their holiday in Portugal, and were they wearing rings in any photos after Madeleine disappeared?
Perhaps some other item of jewellery?

I always thought there was something not quite right about Kate's mention on Crimewatch of Madeleine playing with her engagement ring that night before bed.

by margaret 07.05.14 22:24

tasprin wrote:Is this it?

juxtapose
2007
The PJ knew all along

When they refused to answer questions it confirmed their belief.
The ridicule from the British media re-inforced their determination.
The political pressure only sufficed to disprove coruption in the PJ.
But most important of all they have one piece of gold, evidence that cannot be reputed.
This visit is to clarify secondary evidence.
Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage
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That's it thanks tasprin - juxtapose.

And thanks admin, black watch l remember,

by Mirage 07.05.14 22:40

MissDaisy wrote:
canada12 wrote:
Shhh wrote:Something niggling back of my brain. The waste ground. Back on 3A someone used to post in riddles, was there not mention of "gold evidence" (something like that)

A lost ring? GM wedding band maybe? Lost on the wasteland already recovered?

Yes I remember that discussion. People were speculating about what the gold band could possibly be.
If it was a wedding band we'd need to see before and after pictures - were either Kate or Gerry wearing wedding rings in photos prior to their holiday in Portugal, and were they wearing rings in any photos after Madeleine disappeared?
Perhaps some other item of jewellery?
I always thought there was something not quite right about Kate's mention on Crimewatch of Madeleine playing with her engagement ring that night before bed.

I was about to post the same thing about the engagement ring, Miss Daisy. In fact, she looked genuinely upset when she mentioned it - I think it was on CW. I will have a look when I get a minute.

ETA

At 10.46. When she mentions it being a nice moment her breathing goes out of sync. Especially noticeable when slowed down. She is wearing an engagement ring here, I notice.

by KellyLennon 07.05.14 22:45

Mirage wrote:
MissDaisy wrote:
canada12 wrote:
Shhh wrote:Something niggling back of my brain. The waste ground. Back on 3A someone used to post in riddles, was there not mention of "gold evidence" (something like that)

A lost ring? GM wedding band maybe? Lost on the wasteland already recovered?

Yes I remember that discussion. People were speculating about what the gold band could possibly be.
If it was a wedding band we'd need to see before and after pictures - were either Kate or Gerry wearing wedding rings in photos prior to their holiday in Portugal, and were they wearing rings in any photos after Madeleine disappeared?
Perhaps some other item of jewellery?
I always thought there was something not quite right about Kate's mention on Crimewatch of Madeleine playing with her engagement ring that night before bed.

I was about to post the same thing about the engagement ring, Miss Daisy. In fact, she looked genuinely upset when she mentioned it - I think it was on CW. I will have a look when I get a minute.

The McCanns return to their apartment and Gerry goes out to play tennis.
Kate gets them ready for bed.
Kate said: “We read a story and Madeleine asked if she could put my engagement ring on which she did quite a bit. She had that on and it was just a really nice moment.”

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by Guest 07.05.14 22:47

HelenMeg wrote:
tasprin wrote:Is this it?

juxtapose
2007
The PJ knew all along

When they refused to answer questions it confirmed their belief.
The ridicule from the British media re-inforced their determination.
The political pressure only sufficed to disprove coruption in the PJ.
But most important of all they have one piece of gold, evidence that cannot be reputed.
This visit is to clarify secondary evidence.
Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage
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OMG i remember this back from the early days on 3arguidos!!

You dont suppose this refers to the CANNON camera (their second camera ) and the footage..no, probably not.
So who took over the mantle of being loose cannon?

Could it mean Kate was a very foolish loose cannon when she took footage with her Canon of someone claiming a place on the mantle?

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by Mirage 07.05.14 22:55

Posts are moving so fast so I'll re-post the CW video here. See at 10.46 re engagement ring. Her breathing gets irregular as she recalls this moment. She is wearing an engagement ring, I notice.

by Dutchgirl 07.05.14 23:06

Dee Coy wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:
tasprin wrote:Is this it?

juxtapose
2007
The PJ knew all along

When they refused to answer questions it confirmed their belief.
The ridicule from the British media re-inforced their determination.
The political pressure only sufficed to disprove coruption in the PJ.
But most important of all they have one piece of gold, evidence that cannot be reputed.
This visit is to clarify secondary evidence.
Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage
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OMG i remember this back from the early days on 3arguidos!!

You dont suppose this refers to the CANNON camera (their second camera ) and the footage..no, probably not.
So who took over the mantle of being loose cannon?

Could it mean Kate was a very foolish loose cannon when she took footage with her Canon of someone claiming a place on the mantle?

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I have always believed that Maddies ashes are in the urn.

by Guest 07.05.14 23:09

Mirage wrote:Posts are moving so fast so I'll re-post the CW video here. See at 10.46 re engagement ring. Her breathing gets irregular as she recalls this moment. She is wearing an engagement ring, I notice.

Km wears her engagement ring behind her wedding ring.
So she would have to take this off before giving the engagement ring to Madeleine to play with. She doesn't mention this.
Sorry can't post pictures
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by KellyLennon 07.05.14 23:17

One day, we were all together at the PJ in Portimão - inspectors and negotiators, members of Scotland Yard and the Leicestershire police - waiting for a contact to define the place and the conditions for the handing over of the money in Holland; when the tension was at its height and we were all holding our breath, Gerald McCann displayed a nonchalance that surprised all of the police officers present, including the English. The atmosphere got heavier as the waiting drew out, but McCann, relaxed, was reading trivia on the internet and discussing rugby and football with the English police, while licking a lollipop. On the telephone, he laughed with friends who called him. Perhaps this was nervousness; sometimes it's totally displaced, given what is at stake at the time. His attitude shocked. When, two days later the dutch police informed us that the individual had been arrested, that he was not holding any information and had lied from start to finish with the sole objective of extorting money from the couple, we were not surprised.

Did Gerald McCann know that this lead would take us to a dead end? Is that the reason he appeared to be so nonchalant? Or was it due to the coldness that he never lost throughout the investigation - an attitude that made one of the English police officers say: "Don't forget he's a heart surgeon and he cuts people open before breakfast."

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by **Tony Bennett** 07.05.14 23:20

Dutchgirl wrote:
Madeleine Police Arrive In Portugal For Digs

Forensics officers will use ground penetrating radar equipment to aid the search at three Praia da Luz sites.

Police officers arrive in Portugal. The investigation is based from Faro.

Scotland Yard detectives have arrived in Portugal to oversee

'Oversee', not 'carry out'. Who is doing the actual excavations? Who will pay the cost of the excavations? - probably the British taxpayer, along with the fact that we'll also be paying for Redwood and his team to stay in Portugal for what looks like an extended period of time. How much nearer will these excavations bring us to the truth?

the excavation of a number of sites as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The digs for evidence are to take place at several

Not 3, 4 or 5, now it's 'several'

locations in the resort where the youngster vanished

Not 'was abducted'

in 2007.

Forensics officers are due to use ground penetrating radar equipment to aid the search at three sites in Praia da Luz.

Did they bring that with them? Or is it the PJ's 'ground penetrating radar equipment'?

Madeleine disappeared

Not 'was abducted'

from the apartment she was staying in with her parents and two siblings on May 3, 2007. She was three years old at the time.

Officers from Scotland Yard arrive at Faro Airport.

Once again, they made sure they were photographed - for consumption back home. Were these photos taken by a photographer from Sky News who was briefed in advance which plane they were on?

Officers from the Metropolitan Police have also identified three potential suspects they want to talk to, not necessarily around Madeleine's disappearance, but who had been involved in break-ins in the area.

However, they have reportedly been refused permission by Portuguese authorities to search the homes of these burglary suspects, who used to work at the Ocean Complex at the time Madeleine vanished.

Even if Scotland Yard were allowed to talk to them, how much nearer is that realistically likely to bring them to discovering what really happened to Madeleine?

Sky's Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt, in Praia da Luz, said: "That's a blow for Scotland Yard."

But Scotland Yard are only there to 'help' the Portuguese investigation. Aren't they?

He said disagreements over leaks to the media may delay British police in their efforts to scour areas they will be given access to.

So we are still not sure whether it's the Brits or the Portuguese who are going to be doing the 'scouring'

"I'm not sure that those searches are going to begin quite so quickly," he said.

So Scotland Yard will have to twiddle their thumbs for a few days, pending the Portuguese decision as to whether or not to allow them to proceed?

They will oversee excavations at three sites.

'Oversee' again

"The Portuguese are making it very clear that they were not happy with journalists being briefed. It's not something that happens in this country and in fact, the Portuguese authorities, according to the Scotland Yard message last night, had threatened to stop any of the work once it begins if they hear that Scotland Yard are talking to reporters, or indeed if reporters are in any way disrupting the work. "I get a sense that because of this developing row, that may put off what is going to happen soon, but maybe not in the next couple of days as we anticipated."

Kate McCann told Sky News last week, on the seventh anniversary of her daughter's disappearance, that she needed to know what happened - even if it was the "worst-case scenario".

"Madeleine's either alive or she isn't and we can't change that."