"Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

lj wrote:

NickE wrote:Anyone think that McCann' falls apart and telling the truth if they find a body?

No, they might spin another fairy tale and nail themselves with the new lies. These are sociopaths, they only care about themselves. Kate is much harder than she tries to look.

tiny wrote:

paradigm67 wrote:Daily Mail is on form again...

"Scotland Yard have refused to comment on reports about the latest development in the investigation.
The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "As always, we simply will not comment on operational details of Operation Grange, that is a matter for the Met Police.
'Kate and Gerry are being kept fully informed throughout.'

Followed by
"Yesterday a source close the McCanns said it will be a ‘heart-breaking and hugely emotional time’ for the family.
‘Police have assured Kate and Gerry that it does not mean they are specifically searching for her body,’ he said.
‘They are doing searches as much as to rule scenarios out as much as rule them in. They will be concentrating on several different places at different phases.
‘Certain areas should have been searched properly way back by the Portuguese authorities but were not.’
The searches are not being conducted as the result of any new information, but senior officers are keen to rule out every possibility.
They have said privately that the searches are a difficult issue because they suggest Portuguese police should have acted before."




So Clarence as the official spokesman says that they wont comment on operational issues but another 'source' close to the McCanns speaks out. Who is this close 'source' if not Clarrie? If SY refuse to comment and Clarrie states they dont speak about ongoing events then who is?


I notice that there has been no official accouncement from the Terrible Twosome about whats going on or their response to the implications of a dig but then if SY have been keeping them informed as to the details of the digs theres a good chance that they may not be worried at all. If nothing is found then I have no doubt they will use that as some kind of vindication of their innocence.

I want to know why sy are keeping the mccanns informed after all they were NOT exonerated by the pj,so realy they are still suspects.

paradigm67 wrote:Daily Mail is on form again...

"Scotland Yard have refused to comment on reports about the latest development in the investigation.
The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "As always, we simply will not comment on operational details of Operation Grange, that is a matter for the Met Police.
'Kate and Gerry are being kept fully informed throughout.'

Followed by
"Yesterday a source close the McCanns said it will be a ‘heart-breaking and hugely emotional time’ for the family.
‘Police have assured Kate and Gerry that it does not mean they are specifically searching for her body,’ he said.
‘They are doing searches as much as to rule scenarios out as much as rule them in. They will be concentrating on several different places at different phases.
‘Certain areas should have been searched properly way back by the Portuguese authorities but were not.’
The searches are not being conducted as the result of any new information, but senior officers are keen to rule out every possibility.
They have said privately that the searches are a difficult issue because they suggest Portuguese police should have acted before."




So Clarence as the official spokesman says that they wont comment on operational issues but another 'source' close to the McCanns speaks out. Who is this close 'source' if not Clarrie? If SY refuse to comment and Clarrie states they dont speak about ongoing events then who is?


I notice that there has been no official accouncement from the Terrible Twosome about whats going on or their response to the implications of a dig but then if SY have been keeping them informed as to the details of the digs theres a good chance that they may not be worried at all. If nothing is found then I have no doubt they will use that as some kind of vindication of their innocence.

ChippyM wrote:We only have Clarrie's word that his clients are being kept informed. Maybe they are getting to hear the bare minimum, maybe they were told about the digs to give them a chance to come to Portugal and be close to the investigation as any 'concerned' parent would be.

bristow wrote:Wonder if Stephen Birch will turn up for the excavations and try and persuade them to do Murats garden while their at it?  

HelenMeg wrote:

ChippyM wrote:We only have Clarrie's word that his clients are being kept informed. Maybe they are getting to hear the bare minimum, maybe they were told about the digs to give them a chance to come to Portugal and be close to the investigation as any 'concerned' parent would be.

I really wish I could feel optimistic that this was part of things 'moving along quickly towards a conclusion' but I actually feel more pessimistic because of this latest news. For some reason I keep thinking that maybe SY
needed to find a reason to be out there for a while and this is it..

Cristobell wrote:Wouldn't the parents be implicated if a body is found, regardless of its condition?

Aren't they implicated merely by the digs taking place?

As Petermac pointed out, the body must have been buried before the alarm was raised - by the following day PDL had filled with investigative reporters and the extended families of the McCanns and the Healys. 

The idea that a lone abductor or even a paedophile gang would hang around or even return to bury the child in that area, in the full glare of the world's press is absurd.

russiandoll wrote:Lively twitter debate because of a remark that even if a body is found, the Mcs are in the clear.
 Am trying to think of the tapas timeline, the last time Maddie was seen and the time the alarm was raised.
 Then the frantic activity around the immediate area.

 Some tweeting that a body will not implicate the parents, but depending on where it is found, if a body is found, there would not have been enough time for it to have been buried with the care it would have taken to have lain undiscovered for so long?

canada12 wrote:I don't think they need to find a body. I think, if they're operating on specific details that may have been given to them, that they only need to find evidence that a body was once there. This could involve material that contains DNA... vestiges of hair, body fluids, fabric.. remember that forensics have improved greatly over the past 7 years. What might once have been discounted as unhelpful could today be the key that opens the door... or unturns the stone....

tiny wrote:I have been thinking about sy and a whitwash surely it can only be a whitewash IF Portugal want the same thing,(I am sitting on the fence now)

russiandoll wrote:Lively twitter debate because of a remark that even if a body is found, the Mcs are in the clear.
 Am trying to think of the tapas timeline, the last time Maddie was seen and the time the alarm was raised.
 Then the frantic activity around the immediate area.

 Some tweeting that a body will not implicate the parents, but depending on where it is found, if a body is found, there would not have been enough time for it to have been buried with the care it would have taken to have lain undiscovered for so long?

russiandoll wrote:Lively twitter debate because of a remark that even if a body is found, the Mcs are in the clear.
 Am trying to think of the tapas timeline, the last time Maddie was seen and the time the alarm was raised.
 Then the frantic activity around the immediate area.

 Some tweeting that a body will not implicate the parents, but depending on where it is found, if a body is found, there would not have been enough time for it to have been buried with the care it would have taken to have lain undiscovered for so long?

pauloptix wrote:
There is of course always one other possibility SY could spin... MBM did go wandering through the unlocked door... fell into a hole in the roadworks, died of a head injury. Nobody found her, the  roadworks was filled and TarmcC'd over. 
7 years later the diggers go in, the remains are found... Accidental Death... Case closed. BINGO! Everyone's a winner 

Cristobell wrote:

tiny wrote:I have been thinking about sy and a whitwash surely it can only be a whitewash IF Portugal want the same thing,(I am sitting on the fence now)

I think the whitewash theory must be all but over now Tiny.  Digging up areas around PDL, really would be taking the idea a step too far.  Scotland Yard have taken Tannerman out of the equation and highlighted the Gerry lookalike wandering around PDL with a child who looked like Maddie.  They have now been granted permission by the Portuguese AG to go into with heavy machinery to begin excavation works and they will be working with the PJ - I personally feel the 'dig' comes from the Portuguese police who are already on the ground and know the area well, but time will tell.  

I think once digging begins in any missing child investigation, it is end game.

Newintown wrote:

russiandoll wrote:Lively twitter debate because of a remark that even if a body is found, the Mcs are in the clear.
 Am trying to think of the tapas timeline, the last time Maddie was seen and the time the alarm was raised.
 Then the frantic activity around the immediate area.

 Some tweeting that a body will not implicate the parents, but depending on where it is found, if a body is found, there would not have been enough time for it to have been buried with the care it would have taken to have lain undiscovered for so long?

I would think it would mean the opposite, as cadaver takes over 60 minutes to form (apparently) so a body would have had to be in the McCanns' apartment for that time or longer for the cadaver dog to detect it.

Although Gerry says, the dogs are unreliable, but he would say that wouldn't he!

noddy100 wrote:How can they use the woke and wandered off scenario when the curtains whooshed and the window was open plus toy on high shelf?

Cristobell wrote:

noddy100 wrote:How can they use the woke and wandered off scenario when the curtains whooshed and the window was open plus toy on high shelf?

They have themselves, shut off any theory that would involve wandering off Noddy.  As Kate reiterated in the Irish interview, the shutters were raised, the window was open, she was not lying about that.  She also pointed out that a 3 year old child would not close the curtains and patio doors behind them, nor the two gates on the concrete staircase.  Kate has, by her own words, made the wandering off scenario impossible.

Garrincha wrote:Sorry if this rains on the parade but some reflections:
 
If SY were not “whitewashing” but instead were ratcheting up the pressure on TM hoping someone will break ranks (or cover), they would have to consider the safety of the twins.
 
(In these sort circumstances when a parent cracks, other family members are often hurt.)
 
If that were to happen in this case SY would be guilty of the most extraordinary negligence and the fallout for all involved would be terminal (professionally).
 

Therefore, as there seems to be no indication that the twins are not with their parents, I simply cannot believe the SY strategy is focused on anything other than whitewash.

tiny wrote:I have been thinking about sy and a whitwash surely it can only be a whitewash IF Portugal want the same thing,(I am sitting on the fence now)

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:

notlongnow wrote:

rainbow-fairy wrote:Thinking out loud...
If this dig goes ahead, as it seems to be, is it an evidence/information based excavation?
If not, what will they hope to achieve?
If they dig the sites and find no body, what does that prove?

-It doesn't mean Maddie is alive
-It doesn't clear the McCanns
-It doesn't rule anybody else out or in
All it could possibly prove is that she wasn't found where they dug the holes? (Stating the obvious, but...)

OTOH
IF a body is found - I agree with PM - K+G are toast. 

Would they really go to the expense and trouble of digging random holes just to prove absolutely nothing? Logic would state these chosen sites have some significance intelligence-wise? (Mind, I'll happily admit logic isn't my strong point especially at 1am  )

If they have no specific info they would be just as well to dig holes in Japan.
They must have been given some info or there was something in the files that has been overlooked.

I noticed there is not one mention in todays front pages,this has to be a good thing.

The recent media spin to deliver the message that Maddy might well be dead, and that the McCanns need to 'put an end to not knowing', suggests to me that the dig locations might be based on solid information.

I'm not going to beat about the bush here - it is my opinion that the McCanns know that Maddie is dead, that they know where she is buried, and that she is buried close to Praia da Luz.  If all of that is true, then they know whether or not these digs are a threat to them.   They must be a threat surely, otherwise what was the point of all the recent media activity?  They must have some reason to suspect that the PJ could be digging in the right place.

PeterMac wrote:

pauloptix wrote:
There is of course always one other possibility SY could spin... MBM did go wandering through the unlocked door... fell into a hole in the roadworks, died of a head injury. Nobody found her, the  roadworks was filled and TarmcC'd over. 
7 years later the diggers go in, the remains are found... Accidental Death... Case closed. BINGO! Everyone's a winner 

Except that the statements of the PJ and the guy who sold his house and many others are clear that this was pretty well the FIRST place they searched, because it was the most obvious.