Sunday Express 9 Feb 2014 - MADELEINE - There REALLY WAS a COVER-UP

Carrry On Doctor wrote:Should qualify the above by saying this seems extremely unlikely to me !

That's the trouble with 'the extremely unlikely'.
Most of the time it doesn't happen, and then rarely, it does.
Need to keep all options open until the truth is exposed, there is nothing patent nor ordinary about any of this whole shebang.

If and when the three burglars/workers with keys or anyone else is ever arrested and charged then we have to remember that Mr. & Mrs. and their friends will have to give evidence.   We have said it before, the courts believe first statements.    What will the defence barrister and the jury make of it all????????

plebgate wrote:If and when the three burglars/workers with keys or anyone else is ever arrested and charged then we have to remember that Mr. & Mrs. and their friends will have to give evidence.   We have said it before, the courts believe first statements.    What will the defence barrister and the jury make of it all????????

Hadn't thought about that before plebgate so whoever they try to pin it on I hope to goodness they have a darned good defence barrister, this fills me with hope! I also wonder if all these new revelations will be taken into account at the Amarel case, I find it quite odd that nothing is happening there. Surely the 'fact' that so much has come to light recently (and I say that laughingly!) makes it clear that regardless of what he wrote it is not Amarel who has prevented Madelaine from being found!  

The Mcs PIs busy with other theories and IGNORED THIS ACCOUNT?

 They surely have hindered the search.

Tony Bennett wrote:

Cristobell wrote:
...it is impossible to disregard what could possibly be very obvious signs to the initiated.  Anyway, have been reading through McCann Files and was interested to see Gerry's reference to the 'world order' in an interview in Washington in July 2007...  

The lawyer employed by the McCanns, via Metood 3, to represent murderess-of-her-own-daughter Leonor Cipriano in her accusation against Goncalo Amaral and four other PJ detectives, was Marcos Aragao Correia.

He also achieved fame by arranging the searches of the Arade Dam for Madeleine's bones in January and again in March 2008.

It may be recalled that he lied about being told by underworld sources that Madeleine had been abducted, raped, killed and thrown into the Arade Dam, then lied again by claiming that his interest in Madeleine began after he had a vision of a big man strangling a blond girl 'aged about four'. This was said to have occurred on Staurday, 5 May 2007 after his first-ever visit to a Spiritualist church, on Madeira.

He has since done a bunk to Brazil.

In 2008, he gave an interview to a journalist. I reproduced extracts of that interview in an article about Correia back in 2010. This bit may be of interest:

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The journalist then asks Aragão Correia to comment on the PJ investigation. He answered: “The information that I received as a medium didn’t allow for me to understand what the criminal’s motivation was. But information that I obtained later on - especially from consulting an excellent book by criminologist Barra da Costa - led me to believe the theory, admitted by the former PJ Chief Inspector, that the police weren’t interested in finding Maddie, nor in catching the real culprits over her disappearance. Dr Barra da Costa said in his book that there was something like a tacit plan to induce a general sense of insecurity across society, to allow for the micro-chip (a device implanted in human beings that gives out signals to track down where they are) to be produced on a major scale.

“At the beginning I had some reservations concerning that issue, because I had never heard about it, but I was interested enough to go on the internet and to consult several credible websites, including FBI and CIA sources, where I found some amazing things: the micro-chip was indeed being promoted as the ideal weapon to prevent crime. These sources added that the population should be induced into accepting this technological revolution, even if it was at the eexpense of a policy of deliberatley promoting mass public insecurity. Well, the Maddie case fell like ‘manna from heaven’ for the promotion of the microchip, especially as far as children are concerned”. 

Thanks for this nugget Tony, his tongue runs away with him doesn't it and he reveals all kinds of info, so he says its deliberate that the Police do not want to find Maddie to make the masses uncertain and then they can introduce Micro chipping !!! Well, very interesting info there and one we all considered ages ago and why all the big guns were there by the sides and ready to back the Mcs. It was all planed long ago, this I can believe !!!

russiandoll wrote:The Mcs PIs busy with other theories and IGNORED THIS ACCOUNT?

 They surely have hindered the search.

Not only the PI's but

The retired man, whose identity we (EXPRESS) have agreed to protect, said: "I have kept this to myself for long enough, so now it is right to tell people what happened"
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"kept it to myself" for almost SEVEN YEARS!

What will the McCann and Healy families think of THAT?

On the 'other theories' bit i did a long article years ago about that but LP/SY/Met/McCann PI's stated there were NO 'other theories'

There was ONLY 'stranger abduction' because the McCanns 'friend' JT had actually SEEN a man carrying Madeleine off, dressed in exactly the same pyjamas the McCanns described (later) they had put on her earlier, at 9:15/20pm, 3rd May 2007.

Indeed Operation Grange's remit is 'to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter.

NO 'other theories' only 'the abduction'!

DCI Andy Redwood 15th October 2014
He said that one reading of the evidence indicated the abduction had "all the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction that would undoubtedly have involved reconnaissance".

"THE abduction" "pre planned ABDUCTION"

SO, NO 'OTHER THEORIES' AT ALL FOR THE MET TO INVESTIGATE AND THEY ARE RESOLUTELY NOT LOOKING AT 'OTHER (possible) THEORIES'!

NONE! NADA! ZILCH!

Because they have been TOLD by the McCanns and ONLY by the McCanns that "Madeleine WAS 'abducted' by a man SEEN by their friend 'carrying her off'"

The Government or indeed the New World Order may have plans to microchip everyone and the case of missing Madeleine was indeed manna from heaven for their cause, however there remains a huge 'But'.  Gerry and Kate are not exactly malleable, and their actions over the years suggest they do not listen to advice, from anyone.  They are also very demanding, this is a couple who know exactly what they want and how to get it, they show no loyalty or even gratitude to those who have helped them.  Without a moment's hesitation the McCanns turned on the Editors and the press at the Leveson Enquiry accusing those they had sold their stories to, of invading their privacy.  

If the McCanns were to assist a master plan of the New World Order, they would demand much in return, not least an official declaration of their innocence in the disappearance of their daughter.  Quid pro quo.  And didn't they do well.  They managed to create a fear in parents that their innocent babies and toddlers were at constant risk of abductors breaking into their homes and stealing their children, they even managed to place a terrifying video into the adverts during a screening of Shrek until outraged parents demanded it be pulled!  

However, things have not turned out as planned, the Amber Alert campaign seems to have been a damp squid (or is squib?).  There were no mass demands for babies to micro chipped, the great unwashed being a little more aware of the implications of that than the authorities gave them credit for.  And the McCanns, far from being victims of a heinous crime, were in fact intelligent, educated professionals who should have known better than to leave small babies alone in a holiday apartment 5 nights in a row.  

Their audience are suffering from compassion fatigue and the majority of them have moved on. The public have had 7 years of seeing the McCanns get everything they want, while others such as Kerry Needham have received only scraps from the table. If the special treatment the McCanns was not obvious in 2007, it most certainly is now. The McCanns have gone from centre stage to curiosity, and the curious are stumbling across all sorts of information simply by typing McCann into google and all the libel actions in the world can never stop that. One pictures Gerry as King Canute ordering the tide to go back - maybe whilst holding a Hacked Off banner.

I doubt very much, the 'illuminati' have supported the McCanns actions for a very long time.  If they exist, they operate discreetly, they don't involve themselves in the street fights and skirmishes that are the fodder of the tabloids, that is headline grabbing libel actions and controversial statements by failing spin doctors.    

What the McCanns want more than anything, is for their names to be cleared, they want everyone to believe them and they wanted to as popular and celebrated as they were in 2007, when the Fund was stacking up.  Unfortunately, no-one can do this for them, not the Pope, not the tabloids, not even Scotland Yard should they succeed in laying the blame at the feet of a non UK national.

Cristobell:
"I doubt very much, the 'illuminati' have supported the McCanns actions for a very long time"
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The 'illuminati' lights 'went out' the day the PJ released the 'files' into the public domain!

They had their 'people' go through them with a fine toothed comb, and they saw what we saw!

All on record.

Nothing about the 'abduction by a peadophile stranger' story, as GM once said, 'stacked up'

And the 'silence' of the Zlebs and high profile 'backers' since THAT date has been DEAFENING!

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Resort worker says keys to Madeleine McCann's room were stolen before she disappeared
KEYS to Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment were lost shortly before she vanished.

By Jerry Lawton/Published 10th February 2014

MYSTERY: A resort worker said the keys to Madeleine McCann's room were stolen.

A maintenance worker claims a colleague misplaced them but did not report it in case he lost his job.
The revelation comes amid claims Portuguese police are about to arrest three former workers at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.
The whistleblower said his colleague lost keys for the block in which Madeleine, her twin siblings and parents Kate and Gerry were staying.

The former worker said: “I remember my colleague telling some of us the keys had been lost. He told us about it in the week when the child was taken.”

The ex-worker added: “This has been on my mind for a long time. I did not want to get the other man into trouble. I didn’t want trouble from him. We didn’t get on.”

The other worker, Tiago da Silva, 29, has insisted he did not lose any keys.

He said: “That is not the case. I can’t remember any keys going missing.

“The keys were kept in a safe and nobody could get to them.”

Have merged your thread with this one jeanmonroe, as it is on same subject.

jeanmonroe wrote:Cristobell:
"I doubt very much, the 'illuminati' have supported the McCanns actions for a very long time"
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The 'illuminati' lights 'went out' the day the PJ released the 'files' into the public domain!

They had their 'people' go through them with a fine toothed comb, and they saw what we saw!

All on record.

Nothing about the 'abduction by a peadophile stranger' story, as GM once said, 'stacked up'

And the 'silence' of the Zlebs and high profile 'backers' since THAT date has been DEAFENING!

Indeed. The Vatican dumped the McCanns soon after that interview, maybe the illuminati did likewise.

candyfloss wrote:Have merged your thread with this one jeanmonroe, as it is on same subject.

That's ok.

Only posted it because Daily Star is part of Desmond's Northern and Shell 'group'

Northern & Shell is a British publishing and television group. The holding company name is Northern and Shell Network Ltd. Launched and founded in December 1974 and currently owned by Richard Desmond, it publishes the Daily Express, Sunday Express, Daily Star

The 'group' that paid 'damages' to the McCanns.

jeanmonroe wrote:Cristobell:
"I doubt very much, the 'illuminati' have supported the McCanns actions for a very long time"
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The 'illuminati' lights 'went out' the day the PJ released the 'files' into the public domain!

They had their 'people' go through them with a fine toothed comb, and they saw what we saw!

All on record.

Nothing about the 'abduction by a peadophile stranger' story, as GM once said, 'stacked up'

And the 'silence' of the Zlebs and high profile 'backers' since THAT date has been DEAFENING!

Precisely, jean.  How they must miss those flights in private jets and those fawning embassy staff, and they never did get to stay on Necker, or take tea with Her Maj.  Aw shucks, they don't even have a framed shot of themselves with a PM or two to place on their famed mantlepiece.  

And now, at a time when TM customarily retire to the shelter of one of their unturned stones pending the next date for the libel trial, we have a veritable cacaphony of noise in the press... almost as if an unseen hand has put the tape on fast forward and is manically churning out every possible variation of the McCanns' tale, whether real or imagined, on a daily basis to the tune of a speeded up 1812 Overture played at full volume.

The former worker said: “I remember my colleague telling some of us the keys had been lost. He told us about it in the week when the child was taken.”

The ex-worker added: “This has been on my mind for a long time. I did not want to get the other man into trouble. I didn’t want trouble from him. We didn’t get on.”

The other worker, Tiago da Silva, 29, has insisted he did not lose any keys.

He said: “That is not the case. I can’t remember any keys going missing.

“The keys were kept in a safe and nobody could get to them.”
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I'm seeing 'fisticuffs at dawn' here!     

So we now have Maintainance man and Keys man. Anymore anyone?
    

Jemmied_Shatter wrote:So we now have Maintainance man and Keys man. Anymore anyone?
    

We don't have a KEYS man

His keys were 'nicked' six YEARS and 9 months ago!

quote jeanmonroe :

  DCI Andy Redwood 15th October 2014
He said that one reading of the evidence indicated the abduction had "all the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction that would undoubtedly have involved reconnaissance".

"THE abduction" "pre planned ABDUCTION"

SO, NO 'OTHER THEORIES' AT ALL FOR THE MET TO INVESTIGATE AND THEY ARE RESOLUTELY NOT LOOKING AT 'OTHER (possible) THEORIES'!

NONE! NADA! ZILCH!

Because they have been TOLD by the McCanns and ONLY by the McCanns that "Madeleine WAS 'abducted' by a man SEEN by their friend 'carrying her off'"

 AR mentioned one reading of the evidence because it is not the only way to look at it. Otherwise he would surely have said that all the evidence pointed to a pre planned abduction.
 Unless you interpret the only different way he might have looked at it was as an opportunistic abduction, but I can't go with that, too much luck needed in a very short time.
 So I believe whatever cards he holds [ re other theories than any kind of abduction,] he is keeping very, very close to his chest.
 And Tannerman is now crecheman of course, not carrying Maddie anywhere.

I agree russiandoll. "One reading of the evidence" is a very careful, deliberate use of language. If the investigation is a white-wash, I see no need for it.

jeanmonroe wrote:Only posted it because Daily Star is part of Desmond's Northern and Shell 'group'

Northern & Shell is a British publishing and television group. The holding company name is Northern and Shell Network Ltd. Launched and founded in December 1974 and currently owned by Richard Desmond, it publishes the Daily Express, Sunday Express, Daily Star

The 'group' that paid 'damages' to the McCanns.

Channel 5 currently has two documentaries in production due to be broadcast later this year.  One is about Kevin Halligen, not sure about the other but will make further enquiries.  The station has been told to stay away from the McCanns and if they do, such as in a news item or paper review, to be 'nice'.

I can hear the sound of long knives being sharpened . . .

Why is every one pussy footing around the mccanns.

That puzzles me too, tiny. We have had changes of government in both countries. Bye-bye Blair, even more bye-bye Gordon Brown with his 'security adviser' Ex Met boss Stevens (who has been unhelpfully commenting recentl). At the risk of repeatng myself... I know about the Murdoch connection of some of Cameron's posh local friends, but consider that irrelevant. Cameron owes the previous political shower NOTHING, and he is assiduous where the welfare of children are concerned, as I know from personal experience. If he has been led to spend all this public money on a review and re-inestigation of this case, even initially rather unwillingly, I believe he will want to get to the truth. Why wouldn't he? It would be a feather in his cap!

tiny wrote:Why is every one pussy footing around the mccanns.

Because the McCanns are running the investigation and anything against the official line as deemed by that paragon of virtue clarrie mitchell or their partners in Carter-Ruck is quite frankly not on.
Line 1. Madeleine was Abducted
Line 2.The McCanns are exemplary caring parents.
Line 3. The PJ are corrupt bungling idiots.
Line 4. The apartment was broken into and the shutters had been jemmied open causing the curtain WHOOOOOOOOSSSSHHH.
Line 5. What do forensic scientists know about DNA Matches. The McCann explanation beats theirs hands down every time.
Line 6. Neither of the McCann couple or their friends have ever been involved in child sex abuse.
Line 7. Madeleine was stolen to order by a paedophile gypsy sect.
Line 8. Dogs are incredibly unreliable , especially cadaver and human blood scent dogs.

The McCanns have the unwavering support of all of the British people , just like Adolf Hitler had the complete full support of the German people. Anything that counters this is punishable by imprisonment, asset seizing and being forced to resign from life.
Never forget how powerful these creatures are.

russiandoll wrote:quote jeanmonroe :

  DCI Andy Redwood 15th October 2014
He said that one reading of the evidence indicated the abduction had "all the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction that would undoubtedly have involved reconnaissance".

"THE abduction" "pre planned ABDUCTION"

SO, NO 'OTHER THEORIES' AT ALL FOR THE MET TO INVESTIGATE AND THEY ARE RESOLUTELY NOT LOOKING AT 'OTHER (possible) THEORIES'!

NONE! NADA! ZILCH!

Because they have been TOLD by the McCanns and ONLY by the McCanns that "Madeleine WAS 'abducted' by a man SEEN by their friend 'carrying her off'"

 AR mentioned one reading of the evidence because it is not the only way to look at it. Otherwise he would surely have said that all the evidence pointed to a pre planned abduction.
 Unless you interpret the only different way he might have looked at it was as an opportunistic abduction, but I can't go with that, too much luck needed in a very short time.
 So I believe whatever cards he holds [ re other theories than any kind of abduction,] he is keeping very, very close to his chest.
 And Tannerman is now crecheman of course, not carrying Maddie anywhere.

So much for drawing everything back to zero and assuming nothing, eh?

Black Moon wrote:Channel 5 currently has two documentaries in production due to be broadcast later this year.  One is about Kevin Halligen, not sure about the other but will make further enquiries.  The station has been told to stay away from the McCanns and if they do, such as in a news item or paper review, to be 'nice'.

I can hear the sound of long knives being sharpened . . .

And who would say that to a TV station?
Who ever is said that is storing up trouble for themselves in the future. Fools  

SixMillionQuid wrote:

Black Moon wrote:Channel 5 currently has two documentaries in production due to be broadcast later this year.  One is about Kevin Halligen, not sure about the other but will make further enquiries.  The station has been told to stay away from the McCanns and if they do, such as in a news item or paper review, to be 'nice'.

I can hear the sound of long knives being sharpened . . .

And who would say that to a TV station?
Who ever is said that is storing up trouble for themselves in the future. Fools  

How do you know this Black Moon? As SixMillionQuid also said who would dictate to a TV station?

tiny wrote:Why is every one pussy footing around the mccanns.

That tiny, is the $64,000 question.     Why do they have so much power. ?     Find the answer to that and perhaps all else will become clear.    

Hi Jemmied_Shatter

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." - Abraham Lincoln



It has been said that the McCanns are two bit, jumped up, nouveau-riche, arrogant, culturally limited, medics with an inflated idea of their own importance, who by now believe their own hype and their own invented tales. It has also been said  that there will be a problem with embarrassment and 'egg on the faces' of many powerful people who have shot their mouths off in their unerring support, and in their sanctification, but if this case ever comes to a satisfactory conclusion that may well be their hard luck.


Of course, I myself could not comment on the above viewpoint.  I veer from: 'It will all be a whitewash' to 'I still have some hope for justice, or at least for the truth coming out.' (NB... There simply may not be enough reliable evidence to prosecute anyone.) Moreover, this is Portugal's case. The events happened in Portugal so in the end it is up to the Portuguese system of justice. There may be a possibility for some kind of financial-type prosecution from the UK but I don't know. Hmmm.  The CPS did go over to Portugal, however. We shall see. The McCanns in themselves have no power at all, other than the power of monumental bluff!

tiny wrote:Why is every one pussy footing around the mccanns.

No-one is pussy footing around the mc Canns. The pussy footing is all around those that are higher in the hierarchy (of those present at the OC in May 2007). Surely.

HelenMeg wrote:

tiny wrote:Why is every one pussy footing around the mccanns.

No-one is pussy footing around the mc Canns. The pussy footing is all around those that are higher in the hierarchy (of those present at the OC in May 2007). Surely.

I was responding to Blackmoons post about being nice to the mccanns.

candyfloss wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote:

Black Moon wrote:Channel 5 currently has two documentaries in production due to be broadcast later this year.  One is about Kevin Halligen, not sure about the other but will make further enquiries.  The station has been told to stay away from the McCanns and if they do, such as in a news item or paper review, to be 'nice'.

I can hear the sound of long knives being sharpened . . .

And who would say that to a TV station?
Who ever is said that is storing up trouble for themselves in the future. Fools  

How do you know this Black Moon?  As SixMillionQuid also said who would dictate to a TV station?

No one.  It's their own editorial policy and, I would imagine, applies to the group's newspapers.  They're going nowhere near another law suit.  This is my own opinion but I imagine every major publication has a pull-out special on what we all know and how they, the press, were fooled and so were you.

Well, maybe not you.