Re: 3 Prime Suspects Identified

by canada12 04.01.14 10:47

Clay Regazzoni wrote:I don't understand why, if three men enter an apartment for nefarious reasons and leave with nothing but a child, the motive is assumed to be burglary? Maybe they were Michael Shrimpton's gang? Ah, but then of course they would have taken out everybody in a 10km radius to make sure that their activities went unnoticed...

This story is mostly rubbish but it gets out there the idea that SY are digging through the phone data and that can only mean uncomfortable questions for the main protagonists. If it is established that the T9 were already using PAYG phones at the time of the disappearance, where would that leave them?

Very good point.
What would SY expect to see?
Normal phone conversations from the T9 up to the "abduction" time. Followed by PAYG phones afterwards.
If it can be discovered exactly when the T9 reverted to PAYG or started deleting messages, it would be very telling indeed.

by plebgate 04.01.14 10:48

Tuesday is looming ahead. Expect more tomorrow and Monday, but nothing about the libel hearing on Tuesday.

Oh and guess what, she will be at the Everton match having been front page today!

by Guest 04.01.14 10:50

canada12 wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:I don't understand why, if three men enter an apartment for nefarious reasons and leave with nothing but a child, the motive is assumed to be burglary? Maybe they were Michael Shrimpton's gang? Ah, but then of course they would have taken out everybody in a 10km radius to make sure that their activities went unnoticed...

This story is mostly rubbish but it gets out there the idea that SY are digging through the phone data and that can only mean uncomfortable questions for the main protagonists. If it is established that the T9 were already using PAYG phones at the time of the disappearance, where would that leave them?

Very good point.
What would SY expect to see?
Normal phone conversations from the T9 up to the "abduction" time. Followed by PAYG phones afterwards.
If it can be discovered exactly when the T9 reverted to PAYG or started deleting messages, it would be very telling indeed.

Monteiro was a small time phone dealer wasn't he. Would he have known Murat? If anybody local could get their hands on "burners" at short notice, I'd put my money on him.

by **tigger** 04.01.14 11:21

I could put this quote on almost every topic concerning the McCanns:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Joseph W. Goebbels

by Guest 04.01.14 11:30

tigger wrote:I could put this quote on almost every topic concerning the McCanns:

Yeah I like that one a lot. I think this one is similarly universally applicable.

"People are strange"

Jim Morrison

by **PeterMac** 04.01.14 11:33

British detectives believe the burglars may have panicked after they woke Madeleine up by mistake and decided to take her away with them.

So Smithman is now out of the frame, since the child he was carrying was clearly asleep, comatose or dead.
Tannerman-child was also unconscious, comatose, or dead.

Madeleine - the Screamer - according to Kate and most of her family, is now carried away by three men through the quiet streets of PdL ?
The three men panic and decide to take her away. One supposes they ran a short series of "Abduction workshops' followed by a plenary session to come to this conclusion, with a vote taken and properly recorded in the minutes . . .
rather than just panicking and running away empty handed.

And not one of the three leave ANY Forensic trace of entry, exit, MO,
Not one of the three is seen,
Not one decides to nick the passports, camera, wallet, or anything else. We know that because, all together now 1-2-3 "Nothing of value was taken..."

This is the biggest BS story since - insert your own comparison -

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by Smokeandmirrors 04.01.14 11:36

PeterMac wrote:
British detectives believe the burglars may have panicked after they woke Madeleine up by mistake and decided to take her away with them.

So Smithman is now out of the frame, since the child he was carrying was clearly asleep, comatose or dead.
Tannerman-child was also unconscious, comatose, or dead.

Madeleine - the Screamer - according to Kate and most of her family, is now carried away by three men through the quiet streets of PdL ?
The three men panic and decide to take her away. One supposes they ran a short series of "Abduction workshops' followed by a plenary session to come to this conclusion, with a vote taken and properly recorded in the minutes . . .
rather than just panicking and running away empty handed.

And not one of the three leave ANY Forensic trace of entry, exit, MO,
Not one of the three is seen,
Not one decides to nick the passports, camera, wallet, or anything else. We know that because, all together now 1-2-3 "Nothing of value was taken..."

This is the biggest BS story since - insert your own comparison -

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The biggest BS since Elvis was spotted in Tesco somewhere up North in the 1990's.

If it wasn't such a scandalous waste of taxpayer funds, and a massive insult to the British public to feed them this pigswill, one could almost laugh one's head off.

by russiandoll 04.01.14 11:39

Can anyone make this scenario of panic congruent with the bedroom door? I can't.

eta........how do cops know it was MEN?

pink spin

by SixMillionQuid 04.01.14 11:41

How does SY know the phone data they looking at was from three men?

Voice data? If its voice data then they'll know what has been said during the conversations.
Text/SMS data? Then they'll have a permanent record of what messages have been sent.
If its pinging data from mobile phone masts then ANYONE could be holding that phone, man, woman or child.

So why do they appear to be having difficulty finding out who these three MEN were?

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by Smokeandmirrors 04.01.14 11:44

russiandoll wrote:Can anyone make this scenario of panic congruent with the bedroom door? I can't.

eta........how do cops know it was MEN?

pink

Or the window, shutter Bull****. No matter that there was undisturbed "dust" on the ledge, or no front door left open from them dashing off, stair gates closed etc.

SY - YOU MUST TRY HARDER.

by Bishop Brennan 04.01.14 11:47

plebgate wrote:Tuesday is looming ahead. Expect more tomorrow and Monday, but nothing about the libel hearing on Tuesday.

Oh and guess what, she will be at the Everton match having been front page today!

Exactly. It's an action replay of the PR planted stories during the last libel day. You have to say that the McCanns are getting excellent value for money from their PR team. But of course it begs the question as to why innocent people need a PR team at all - never mind one that is so adept at planting such high profile stories...

In fact all this professional PR activity is in and of itself highly suspicious. Behaviour that SY will certainly be taking note of.

For these stories do not come from redwood. Of that we can be certain. There are no hidden messages in the story. This is 100% PR story placement - probably using some inside information (another rage from redwood when he finds that out).

by Guest 04.01.14 11:54

Bishop Brennan wrote: [...]

For these stories do not come from redwood. Of that we can be certain. There are no hidden messages in the story. This is 100% PR story placement - probably using some inside information (another rage from redwood when he finds that out).

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I was just about to write something of the kind. NSY just lets the MSM and TM get away with it, as long as they do not put words in their mouth and "quote" them for something, they never said.

by suzyjohnson 04.01.14 11:55

The only way three burglars could possibly have been responsible is if they disturbed MM who then tried to run out of the apartment to find her parents and fell, and they decided to take her with the intention of taking her to a hospital, but then she died on the way .....

But this theory takes no account of any the following .....

This incident could only have occured after GM met JW at 9.15 pm

1) Tapas seven checks from 9.20 pm (JT returning) 9.30 pm MO and ROB, 9.35 pm MO returning, 9.45 pm Jane returning to 5D, 9.50 pm ROB returning to tapas, 10 pm KM check, none of whom noticed anything, nor did any independent witness

2) Any noise, crying, phone calls, bringing a car round to 5A, talking, sound of shutters / windows etc

3) If someone had disturbed MM by opening the window, and then MM had run from the bedroom, the burglar would have left without noticing where MM went next, wouldn't have known if she had fallen ....... the only way he would have found her in another room in 5A is if he had gone in through another door ...... and if he did that, why would he open the window at all?

5) What about the evidence from Eddie and Keela?

by Swannie 04.01.14 12:01

Bishop Brennan wrote:"And if these petty thieves are disturbed what would they do? Drop everything and peg it down the street of course. There is just NO scenario where they would steal a kid."

Oh, come on. Perhaps they were just collecting for 'The Local Orphanage'?

Would look so nice if all these articles were printed in pink......

by bristow 04.01.14 12:25

Sounds like they could be spinning Kate's strange comment of "They've taken her"

by Guest 04.01.14 12:31

suzyjohnson wrote:The only way three burglars could possibly have been responsible is if they disturbed MM who then tried to run out of the apartment to find her parents and fell, and they decided to take her with the intention of taking her to a hospital, but then she died on the way .....

But this theory takes no account of any the following .....

This incident could only have occured after GM met JW at 9.15 pm

1) Tapas seven checks from 9.20 pm (JT returning) 9.30 pm MO and ROB, 9.35 pm MO returning, 9.45 pm Jane returning to 5D, 9.50 pm ROB returning to tapas, 10 pm KM check, none of whom noticed anything, nor did any independent witness

2) Any noise, crying, phone calls, bringing a car round to 5A, talking, sound of shutters / windows etc

3) If someone had disturbed MM by opening the window, and then MM had run from the bedroom, the burglar would have left without noticing where MM went next, wouldn't have known if she had fallen ....... the only way he would have found her in another room in 5A is if he had gone in through another door ...... and if he did that, why would he open the window at all?

5) What about the evidence from Eddie and Keela?

Ad (5): it's a well established fact that in Portugal BOTH the cops AND the burglars carry around phials with cadaverine, as we all know, don't we!

AND spare sea basses too, come to think of it!

by bristow 04.01.14 12:31

Chris Spivey's take on this latest nonsense.

If you are offended by swearing don't read it.

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by **PeterMac** 04.01.14 12:33

Comments in the DM still being allowed.
Highest rated ones include these

The burglars disturbed Madeleine and decided to take her with them...? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Was there any ever evidence that burglars entered the apartment in the first place? Was anything missing, or even moved? A busy holiday resort, and apparently nobody saw these burglars enter or leave the apartment - let alone with a distressed child. This theory doesn't make sense to me either.
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Panicking burglars don't steal children. It's ridiculous.
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Well yes, certainly, you go into an apartment to steal something, you disturb a child, what does she do? Either freezes in fright or begins to yell her head off. Now just think - frozen with fright, why would you decide to get her out of bed and take her with you? Yelling her head off - yes, good scheme, carry a screaming child off with you as you try to make an unnoticed getaway. If this is the best Scotland Yard can come up with it's they who're a 'disgrace'. Why don't they just admit they haven't a clue what happened, they're just trying to justify the millions of pounds spent on an inquiry which is going nowhere.
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We are not alone in our thoughts.

by Guest 04.01.14 12:42

Chris asserts the Mecs are living apart. So, good credulous people out there; donations to be DOUBLED from now on, if you please!

by Rasputin 04.01.14 12:49

Perhaps Madeleine did infact awaken forcing one of the bandidos to drop his sea bass down the back of the sofa , Madeleine then go's on to give them her tuppenceworth...." looks fellas here's the deal ...me mum and dad don't look after me ..how bout you take me with you and we talk about the 4 way split of any loot on the way outta this gaff " ...as daft as the original article ?

by **PeterMac** 04.01.14 12:50

You are a burglar, in a team of three.
You find an apartment which has been left unlocked,
You enter unnoticed, and silently. So far so good.
You look around, without putting the lights on, obviously
You see a dining table on which is an expensive digital camera
You go into the master bedroom and, as you fully expected, you find a bedside drawer with five British Passports, assorted jewellery, cash, and credit cards
You go into the second bedroom and find three children.

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What do you do now ?

A - Run away
B - Administer previously unknown and untested sedative to all three children in the approved and totally undetectable manner so they sleep immediately and remain unconscious for ten hours, without alerting the suspicions of their doctor parents and friends, two of whom are English Qualified anaesthetists, then seize the eldest, hold it in one of several ways and march round the village in full view of any passing parent or witness for 45 minutes, whilst making hundreds of phone calls

Correct answer - ( courtesy of Daily Mail)
B

You couldn't make it up. But they did !

by ultimaThule 04.01.14 12:54

bristow wrote:Chris Spivey's take on this latest nonsense.

If you are offended by swearing don't read it.

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I can't connect to mccannfiles... anyone else have the same problem?

by Guest 04.01.14 12:55

There's a separate topic to say that the server for the McCann files is currently down.

by ultimaThule 04.01.14 12:56

Many thanks, NFWTD - I've just seen the other thread.

by Guest 04.01.14 12:58

Leading Dutch news rag De Telegraaf already copying the DM article (summarized)
No reply option.
Pity

by Guest 04.01.14 12:58

ultimaThule wrote:
bristow wrote:Chris Spivey's take on this latest nonsense.

If you are offended by swearing don't read it.

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I can't connect to mccannfiles... anyone else have the same problem?

Spivy saying it how it is

I've just connected to mccannfiles, no problem, soz

it was the McCann: PJ Files

by phil_burton 04.01.14 13:10

I too think there is a coded message in this article.

Talk of suspects making a high number of phone calls in the hours after the disappearance etc.

On the subject of the Daily Mail (and the other tabloids) that keep regurgitating this stuff - they and their readers MUST see through this tripe. It's a different theory every time, and every time it is hailed as a breakthrough. Just to show how absurd it all is, perhaps we could post all the officially unofficial "theories" they have printed over the years?

From memory, and a quick search of google, I can remember the following:

- Gang of Burglars (todays theory)

- The bloke from Cape Verde working locally at the time that got killed on a farm / heroine addict

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- Raymond Hewlitt, who was on his deathbed in Germany (?) who supposedly knew something

- The greek/turkish gyspies who were found with a similar looking girl, proving they stole children to order, a child which then turned out to be theirs

- The two e-fits that looked remarkably like 2 known pedophiles already in prison / the whole crimewatch theory

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- Smuggled to Spain

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- Victoria Beckham lookalike

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- Australian Yatch in the Med

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- Linked to a string of child abductions

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- 8 important new leads

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- Sightings in Malta

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- Found in India

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by NickE 04.01.14 13:13

First site on the Swedish newspaper "Aftonbladet".
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laughat

by bobbin 04.01.14 13:16

bristow wrote:Sounds like they could be spinning Kate's strange comment of "They've taken her"

This would have to imply that Kate knew the burglars who had got into the apartment, to be able to say that it was 'they' who had taken her, that's if it was 'burglars'.
No, the problem is 'lack of forensic evidence' of strangers in the apartment.
I think I can see where Kate will be forced to go next, to back-fill her story to support her earlier faulted claims, she will claim that the three burglars were actually the three 'wraggle taggle gipsies-o' (as in the old English song *) who stood at the castle gate, who sang so high and who sang so low, etc.
She will have to claim that Maddie would have been lured by their beautiful chanting and that she would have gone to the door, all by herself, and sung the last verse before leaving of her own volition.
“What care I for the goose-feathered bed with the sheet turned down so bravely-O?
Tonight I shall sleep in a cold open field along with the wraggle taggle gypsies-O!”
Oh, this beautiful image sadly doesn’t explain the dogs.
No such happy ending for this tragic little girl.
That’s why serious posters are still here, seven years on and not budging, and hopefully also members of Scotland Yard who have a 'conscience that supersedes any attempt at a whitewash'.
Maddie will have her justice, however much her parents may try to squirm out of their irresponsible excuses of parenthood.
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by ultimaThule 04.01.14 13:27

There was a problem earlier, CherryBlossom: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Hopefully, it's been resolved.

BOT, it's good to know Spivey is telling it in language which is customarily used by Gerry and Kate as it will ensure they're under no illusion that yet another of their pathetic and predictable ploys has backfired on them.

UltimaThule: I have changed your wording a little as I don't feel that it is necessary.

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath.

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