Re: Question about a detail (timelines)

by chillyheat 24.11.13 17:10

Ive noticed a definite emphasis on some of the times, as in the use of : and at other times just a .
For example 9:15 9:20 and 10:00, they seem to be deeming these as important times for themselves
Notice the first timeline 8:45 underlined....In the second 8.45 all assembled at poolside for food
The use of the : could be subconcious use of we need to stick with these.....possibly

Then again.....when am I ever right flag

by ultimaThule 24.11.13 17:32

Don't put yourself down, Chilly - you're right more often than all of the Tapas 9 put together who are unable to get it right despite having collaborated on the script yes

What was that phrase KM used? As I recall, it had to do with cabers big grin

by chillyheat 24.11.13 17:42

ultimaThule wrote:Don't put yourself down, Chilly - you're right more often than all of the Tapas 9 put together who are unable to get it right despite having collaborated on the script What was that phrase KM used? As I recall, it had to do with cabers

Im starting to get a bit down because Im trying to help, but once I post anything I find it seems the info is already known anyway. I do try and search first, but I personally find the search on here quite difficult.
I dont want to step back, I do want to help but Im starting to feel like maybe Im being looked upon as wearing heavy boots at times.
I panicked last night when I put the wrong info out for the wrong Kennedy.....I ran off thinking most would think Im derailing, but after I thought.....Why do so many have similar names....What really is going on.

by Guest 24.11.13 17:50

Don't worry, you aren't the first to mix up the two Brian Kennedys and I'm sure you won't be the last!

Nobody will think badly of you for what was a genuine misunderstanding.

by oakeso 24.11.13 17:52

ROB seems to be in rather a hurry to mention E* in the first list.

9.20/5 JT goes to check on kids and sees Tannerman
9.30 ROB & MO go to check on kids (and use toilet)?

JT must have only just arrived back when ROB took off, surely JT must have felt a little peeved, why didn't he volunteer to go sooner or simply use the OC facilities that JW used the previous night? And how fortunate for young E*, just wondering how she managed to become so unwell between her mom leaving and her dad arriving? And strange that it didn't ring any alarm bells whatsoever to the others (why weren't you there when..) as they joked about relieving Russell....

by chillyheat 24.11.13 18:01

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Don't worry, you aren't the first to mix up the two Brian Kennedys and I'm sure you won't be the last!

Nobody will think badly of you for what was a genuine misunderstanding.

Ty

by Romario 25.11.13 9:06

ChillyHeat wrote:
ultimaThule wrote:Don't put yourself down, Chilly - you're right more often than all of the Tapas 9 put together who are unable to get it right despite having collaborated on the script What was that phrase KM used? As I recall, it had to do with cabers
Im starting to get a bit down because Im trying to help, but once I post anything I find it seems the info is already known anyway. I do try and search first, but I personally find the search on here quite difficult.
I dont want to step back, I do want to help but Im starting to feel like maybe Im being looked upon as wearing heavy boots at times.
I panicked last night when I put the wrong info out for the wrong Kennedy.....I ran off thinking most would think Im derailing, but after I thought.....Why do so many have similar names....What really is going on.

Chillyheat, I too am very impressed by the quality of that kind of research that you did. In any case, if it is the other Brian Kennedy, it's equally relevant

by Trajan 25.11.13 21:11

Hi, I think I've found the information:
source:http://mccannfiles.com/id28.html
"...Estimated time 11.15 pm - The first officer to arrive at Ocean Club was handed two lists by Russell O'Brien, written by him on the ripped-off cover of a child's "sticker activity book"...."
From this Russel gave the both (!!) lists to the police around 23:15. As we would say in german "Russel hat richtige Scheiße gebaut...". Which means Russel gave both contradicting lists to the police and I guess Gerald will have got nearly a heart attack on this fu... a... . You know.

by joyce1938 26.11.13 10:27

I have a memory of reading or even seing that one copy of said pages was also signed off be g macs signature also ? joyce1938

by suzyjohnson 26.11.13 22:46

Châtelaine wrote:
Portia wrote:Reaned as in reanimated (= abbreviated doctors lingo?)
***
Yes. Maybe ... I just cannot make anything else of it

I always thought the word was 'realised'

Kate realised Madeleine (was absent)

by suzyjohnson 27.11.13 0:11

Were the two sticker book timelines both written out by the same person then? Russell O'Brien? I hadn't realised that before.

I notice on the first, the writer has put 'Jerry', and on the second, 'Gerry', writing underneath, 'Gerald'

In the midst of all this (a child having been abducted) who do you suppose said, by the way, it's 'Gerry' with a G, not with a J, short for Gerald,

by **tigger** 27.11.13 6:57

suzyjohnson wrote:Were the two sticker book timelines both written out by the same person then? Russell O'Brien? I hadn't realised that before.

I notice on the first, the writer has put 'Jerry', and on the second, 'Gerry', writing underneath, 'Gerald'

In the midst of all this (a child having been abducted) who do you suppose said, by the way, it's 'Gerry' with a G, not with a J, short for Gerald,

Now there's posh! You can see where the priorities lie. Jerry wasn't going to look so good in the press.....
Blair's children, fake familiarity from people who despise 'the people' .

by skyrocket 19.05.16 14:38

Interesting what is said in the film, recently posted by HiDeHo, about the 2 time lines:

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Read from 27.50 mins - note what is said about the two hand written Tapas 7 time lines (produced ostensibly) by Russell O'Brien. The commentator states that one was given to the PJ on the night of 3 May/4 May and that the second was found a few days later among KM's possessions.

I'm assuming that the reconstruction of the written time lines for the film is not accurate.

The two time lines are full of discrepancies. I am undecided as to whether this is another of the Mc's intentional misdirects or whether these time lines were being used as prompts; or otherwise.

I find it hard to accept the apparent mis-spelling of 'Jerry' by ROB. I've wondered whether the name actually written was 'Jeremy' or even 'Jes' (this is how some people write the shortened version of Jeremy). Note the 9.10/9.15pm time frame. (Not suggesting anything here other than what the written word may or may not be). Whoever has written the time lines does write some 's's' as a vague straight line, but the break in the writing seems to come after the first 'Je'. Note how the 'rry's' are written in 'Gerry' and 'carrying' - quite different. I would not be at all surprised if there is more than one hand involved in producing these time lines.

Also, look at how 'Kate' is written on the two different sheets. Quite different 'K's' for starters and on the line 'Kate realised Madeli..s', on the non-Gerald version, an extra cross line has been added onto the 't' of Kate. In the 'Gerald' version, the 'e' of 'Kate' in the last line, has been changed from something else.

Add to that the number of different capital 'D's'; lowercase 'd's'; number '3's'; the number of full stops in certain lines, as more has been added; AND, the strange appearance of 'Ella' (not once but twice - is it possible she was going to be used as a look-a-like?); AND, the strange complete absence of Matt Oldfield's 9.35pm check in 5A on the supposedly revised/second 'Gerald' version. Did he object to being the last person in 5A before MBM was reported missing?

Below is what ROB had to say about it all in his rogatory. Note that, as per usual, he is supremely vague and confusing (or confused?):

1578    “Okay. The time is two eleven pm and that’s on Thursday the tenth of April, two thousand and eight. We’re in an interview room at Leicestershire Police Force Headquarters. I’m Detective Constable 1578 Andrew GIERC from the Leicestershire Major Crime Unit. Would you give me your full name and date of birth please”'
Reply    “Yeah it’s Russell James O’BRIEN, twenty sixth of November, nineteen seventy”.
1578    “Thank you Russell. This is the third interview of today, as I’ve stated previously you’re here voluntarily”.
Reply    “Mmm”.
1578    “As a significant witness to assist the Portuguese Authorities in their investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine MCCANN in Portugal on the third of May, two thousand and seven. I would now like to move on to some time lines and we have, these are copies of written documents or time lines written on the back of, looks like a kiddies book or something”.
Reply    “Mmm mmm”.
1578    “An activity book. If we could just for a few moments go through these documents”.
Reply    “Mmm mmm”.
1578    “Which one came first”'
Reply    “Erm as we discussed the other day, I’d forgotten these over the year but I think this is an attempt, this is a draft attempt, they’re both in my handwriting, this is a draft attempt, err and then I think I’m transcribing in a slightly more a neater writing, hoping that it’s more legible for other people to read as well, so I think this one came first”.
1578    “So just to differentiate between the two documents”.
Reply    “Mmm mmm”.
1578    “One of them has the word ‘Gerald’.”
Reply    “Mmm mmm”.
1578    “Written towards the lower half of the document and the other one does not”.
Reply    “Yeah”.
1578    “You’re saying the one with ‘Gerald’ written on it, was the final document”'
Reply    “Well it was certainly second one, I said I think I was writing this down in a hurry when I”.
1578    “It came after this, this first one”'
Reply    “It came after this one yeah, yeah”.
1578    “So the one that doesn’t bare the name of ‘Gerald’.”
Reply    “Is the earlier one”.
1578    “Was the first attempt, the earlier attempt as you say. When was this drafted up”'
Reply    “Erm this was drafted er around the time that the initial pair of Officers from the PJ came to 5A (inaudible) early in the morning of the fourth of May, two thousand and seven so erm I can certainly recall writing some of this, I think perhaps the neat, maybe the neater version erm sat down at the table in Gerry’s flat with Gerry erm Dave PAYNE and at least at some stage of it, the two Officers from the, from the PJ”.
1578    “What would have been the time difference between these two documents”'
Reply    “Er that I’m not too sure, I think what, what essentially I’m doing, is I’m, I’ve written something here fairly quickly for myself and then I’ve looked at it and thought it’s, it’s not actually gonna be useful to hand to anyone to read other than me, so I think they’re probably not that far, I’ve written that and then I’ve sat down, perhaps I was writing this with that being on my knee or something and never sat down, but I don’t, I don’t recall the time difference but, but we’re looking at from what I describe about my activities in the run up to this, to these being within you know, a short space of time, half an hour, maybe even less, I don’t think I wrote this, had it in my pocket for a night, the other thing that makes me think that is, is probably the front of the back cover of a book”.
1578    “Yes”.
Reply    “So I’ve probably, I’ve probably written it, thought that’s rubbish, even I can barely read it, let’s start again, I don’t think there’s much time difference”.
1578    “If we look at the ‘Gerald’ one”.
Reply    “Yeah”.
1578    “You have a recording at nine thirty”.
Reply    “Yeah”.
1578    “Russell O’BRIEN in 5D”.
Reply    “Yeah”.
1578    “What does that read”'
Reply    “It says with poorly daughter”.
1578    “Oh sorry, with poorly daughter”.
Reply    “With (inaudible) abbreviation for with”.
1578    “And then there’s nothing until nine fifty five pm”.
Reply    “Yeah”.
1578    “And I think at ten pm the, you have the next entry, alarm raised”.
Reply    “Yeah”.
1578    “Okay”.
Reply    “After (inaudible) I think all of this is incomplete, I mean that’s an incomplete sentence there, erm yeah that’s alarm raised after Kate and I presume I’m gonna write return to table but, but, but I haven’t”.
1578    “So when we compare the ‘Gerald’ version”.
Reply    “Yeah”.
1578    “To the earlier version”.
Reply    “Mmm mmm”.
1578    “You see that at nine thirty five, you have written”.
Reply    “Matt checks, Matt checks the twins, checks and sees twins”.
1578    “Matt checks and sees twins”.
Reply    “It looks like that, yeah that what it looks like, as I say it’s, it’s, it’s not even that great for me to read there, but it does say Matt, Matt checks and sees twins, so this is as I said after Matt left me in 5D, he’s gone back and I think there was a, certainly there was a concern that Matt was, whether he actually definitely saw Madeleine at the time or not, he can certainly (inaudible) certainly in the, in the days and hours afterwards I mean Matt was unsure about whether he definitely clocked Madeleine in the room, although he was quite convinced that he, he, both the twins were there, so I think that’s why I’ve written that there”.
1578    “The nine thirty entry on the non Gerald version if you like”.
Reply    “Yeah”.
1578    “Is”'
Reply    “It says Russ and Matt check all three, so this is just an abbreviated time, an approximate time that me and Matt came back from the table to check on the, on the flat and I’ve crossed out Ella there and so it was written in, in haste”.
1578    “And then the, on the ‘Gerald’ version, you have a vertical line between nine thirty and nine fifty five”.
Reply    “Yeah, yeah”.
1578    “What did that signify”'
Reply    “I’m not sure, I don’t know whether this was, this was me trying to get the sort of start and the end together and err and then, and then asked, asked for more, you know more detail of what people were doing. From a personal point of view I suppose once, once I was in the, in the erm room at nine thirty, I wasn’t, I wasn’t privy to any of the other direct information, so whether this is just sort of me thinking that I’ll need to fill this in later, but you know it’s just a, this is incomplete, this sentence is incomplete and I think at some stage whilst I was writing this, the PJ were very keen to talk to Gerry then I left and I think then Jane came in, so I think this is something that was actually being written at about a point where I left it with the Police and then Jane was, Jane and Gerry were talking to the PJ”.

by pennylane 19.05.16 16:08

I'm at peace with their stumbling, bumbling incoherent stories, and botched timelines, because it was all back fitted (imho)

by kaz 19.05.16 17:31

I reckon that one copy was a pre written script for them all to memorise and the second was written for the PJ. Is it possible that the differences are extra revealing then? It seems strange to me that a note of, 'Jane sees Jes talking to Gerry' isn't anywhere to be seen. In my opinion Jane was never there but was only introduced on paper to supposedly see ' stranger with child.' Does anybody else think that the choice of the word 'stranger' is odd and purposely used to add a sinister undertone to reinforce the abduction theory? Wouldn't ' man carrying a child' be more apt?

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