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Post by Jill Havern on 08.05.11 18:43

Posted by Stevo on twitter and can be read in full here http://truthformadeleine.com/2011/05/new-audio-evidence-in-mccann-appeal-on-may-7-2007/

It never ceases to amaze how many new details can be gleaned from the Madeleine McCann case even years after her disappearance.
The McCanns made a televised appeal that was broadcast on Sky TV on May 7, 2007.
The appeal shows Gerry McCann and his wife Kate both sitting and facing the camera. Kate is to Gerry’s left and on the right side of the screen as we look at the pair. Initially we see both Madeleine’s parents and can notice that Gerry has his left arm around Kate’s shoulders with the fingers of his hand gripping the top of her left arm.
Gerry is staring right at the camera. His eyes are gazed at you the viewer. He barely moves his head and the main discernible movement is from his rapid eye movement as he blinks more often than anything that would seem natural. Kate on the other hand is not gazing at anything in particular. One thing we can say for sure is that she is never giving us eye contact. Her eyes are focused on anything but the camera facing her. Every so often she quickly glances down and we can assume that she is reading from a crib sheet.
The appeal lasts for 54 seconds and it is spoken exclusively by Kate Healy. Here is a transcript of the appeal:
We would like to say a few words [pause] to the person who is with Madeleine, or has been with Madeleine.
Madeleine is a beautiful, bright, funny and caring little girl.
She is so special. Please, please, do not hurt her.
Please don’t scare her. Please tell us where to find her or pla… put her in place of safety and let somebody know where she is.
We beg you to let Madeleine come home.
We need our Madeleine. Sean and Amelie need Madeleine and Madeleine needs us [long pause].
Please give our little girl back.
Por favor, devolva a nossa menina.
Now let’s observe this in detail.
At the start of the appeal, the camera is zoomed out so we can see Gerry and Kate from the chest up.
At 5 seconds, Kate seems to stumble with a slight deviation from the script. She says “…to the person who is with Madeleine” and as she does so, Gerry is visibly troubled by this slight change. He grips her arm and at the same time he glances down and to the side in a brief but obvious show of dissatisfaction. Kate almost immediately changes the sentence and says “…or has been with Madeleine.”
As Kate talks, the camera slowly zooms in so that her face is filling the left hand side of the frame.
By 18 seconds, Kate is saying “please, please….” and the camera has now cut off Gerry from view.
Just as Kate finishes the Portuguese words at the end of the appeal, the camera stays fixed on her for about 6 or 7 seconds.
The camera now zooms out rather quickly so that by 62 seconds, we can see Gerry starting to flop his head on Kate. Kate doesn’t move or alter her position as Gerry rocks his head slightly and closes his eyes.
At 67 seconds, Gerry, with bowed head opens his eyes to look up at Kate momentarily before closing them again and resuming the bowed head position.
Anyone following the Madeleine disappearance will have seen this scene many times. The main talking point back in 2007 was that the pair could be so devoid of emotion. Their reactions seemed fake and the absence of tears and typical involuntary facial expressions associated with the loss of a close family member were some of the main reasons that people did not believe their story. Looking at the video four years later, the impression is the same.
During a recent review of this video clip, the volume was turned up beyond a reasonable sound level and at 64 seconds a slight click could be heard. It coincided with the time that Gerry had bowed his head on to Kate. Watching this section a few times revealed that the sound was not a click. It was Gerry McCann telling his wife in barely a whisper “Don’t Talk”. This was then followed by that opening of his eyes and the sneaky look upwards at her face.
Hear the audio of the full appeal here:

Hear the “Don’t Talk” whisper here:

This is reminiscent of the video in November 2007 where Gerry told his wife at the end of an interview in Brian Kennedy’s home “don’t speak to whoever is calling…”
This new bombshell evidence demonstrates once again how the Madeleine disappearance was staged and in those early days how Kate Healy was controlled.

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Post by tumbleweed on 14.10.11 22:49

I don't hear it as "Don't Talk" but as "Now tell them." This is also what someone in the comment section who has the same accent as Gerry believes that he is saying. If that is indeed what he says, it opens up a world of possibilities as to what's really going on, in my opinion.

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Post by Gillyspot on 14.10.11 23:15

If anything I would say that it was "now don't talk" but it is not clear at all.

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Post by tumbleweed on 15.10.11 0:11

No, it isn't, unfortunately. Someone suggested that he was saying "well done," which would be far from eerie or suspicious. It could be anything, especially if you go into it listening for a specific phrase.
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Post by tigger on 15.10.11 7:25

I've seen this before. According to one poster he said 'BELT UP'. Glaswegian meaning shut up!

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Post by Guest on 15.10.11 9:19

"Belt up" was one of my favourite expressions as a child many years ago along with "pipe down" and I'm a southerner. As for the audio clip I can hear nothing resembling speech at all.
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Post by rainbow-fairy on 15.10.11 10:36

Marian wrote:"Belt up" was one of my favourite expressions as a child many years ago along with "pipe down" and I'm a southerner. As for the audio clip I can hear nothing resembling speech at all.

I back you up on this, Marian. I'm not Glaswegian but my Dad used 'belt up' all the time, it's probably the phrase I heard most growing up (we're from East Anglia, mind my Dad's family were from Derbyshire, with a half Irish/half Dutch grandma!)

I can't get video at all, but I read this with interest on the site mentioned above when it was first posted by Stevo. Very, very interesting even without hearing their voices (I can live with that, frankly, because their voices make me quite ill)

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 15.10.11 16:15

I listened to it several times with the vol. on max and the nearest I think it sounds is "don't tell them" but it doesn't sound quite right at that.

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Post by russiandoll on 15.10.11 16:33

Listened to it repeatedly......am 99% certain he says " well done".
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Post by rainbow-fairy on 15.10.11 18:06

@russiandoll wrote:Listened to it repeatedly......am 99% certain he says " well done".

I find Gerry really, really hard to understand vocally at the best of times! I have a friend from Glasgow, bless her, and I can always understand her UNLESS she gets really irate. But Gerry?
Recently, I was online in the library and decide to find and watch the minibus on the way to the airport clip. Now, I don't know if it is muffled and unclear or if the computer speakers are bad, but it took me 9 consecutive plays for me to pick out the 'f**k off, I'm not here to have a good time' comment. Even then, I didn't find it clear at all.
Maybe it's just me?

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Post by Guest on 15.10.11 18:38

Here's a shortened version of it minus the climbing the steps sequence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBK7QjYV-2o

I can only hear the "eff off" bit as the rest of it is covered by laughter from David Payne. Assuming that it wasn't doctored (no pun intended) I have seen another version where it was possible to hear the rest of the comment but I can't readily find that.
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Post by rainbow-fairy on 15.10.11 18:52

Jean wrote:Here's a shortened version of it minus the climbing the steps sequence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBK7QjYV-2o

I can only hear the "eff off" bit as the rest of it is covered by laughter from David Payne. Assuming that it wasn't doctored (no pun intended) I have seen another version where it was possible to hear the rest of the comment but I can't readily find that.
The version I saw just seemed to be a total hubbub of noise - really tough to make out individual words.

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Post by russiandoll on 15.10.11 23:33

always wondered what the motive was for releasing that clip where GMc says the f word in front of the children....all it does is show him to be a complete you know what,

but as it was one of the group who filmed it was one of the group who made it public. there had to be a reason why.
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Post by Daisy on 15.10.11 23:42

@russiandoll wrote:always wondered what the motive was for releasing that clip where GMc says the f word in front of the children....all it does is show him to be a complete you know what,

but as it was one of the group who filmed it was one of the group who made it public. there had to be a reason why.

A very good question that seems to have been overlooked. I don't believe that video was exposed by accident either. Who did release it? Has anyone ever laid claim?

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Post by Guest on 15.10.11 23:53

@Daisy wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:always wondered what the motive was for releasing that clip where GMc says the f word in front of the children....all it does is show him to be a complete you know what,

but as it was one of the group who filmed it was one of the group who made it public. there had to be a reason why.

A very good question that seems to have been overlooked. I don't believe that video was exposed by accident either. Who did release it? Has anyone evet laid claim?



The McCanns themselves released the footage of the airport bus and Madeleine boarding the plane..........


New video of Madeleine released

Madeleine video clips

The parents of Madeleine McCann have released the last video clips taken of their daughter before her disappearance in Portugal nearly four weeks ago.
Dressed in pink and holding a rucksack, the four-year-old can be seen walking onto a flight at East Midlands Airport.

The mobile phone footage also shows her on an airport bus in the Algarve.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6698737.stm
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Post by Guest on 16.10.11 0:20

I wonder if the climbing the steps part and the other part on the bus were taken on the same day. Madeleine is wearing different trousers - full length at first then knee length.

It's easy to see in these still images.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MCCANN_HOLIDAY.htm

Of course it is possible that she might have changed her clothes on the plane for some reason.
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Post by tigger on 16.10.11 7:34

@Daisy wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:always wondered what the motive was for releasing that clip where GMc says the f word in front of the children....all it does is show him to be a complete you know what,

but as it was one of the group who filmed it was one of the group who made it public. there had to be a reason why.

A very good question that seems to have been overlooked. I don't believe that video was exposed by accident either. Who did release it? Has anyone ever laid claim?

It would be useful to link events to the release of photographic material.

7th of May, by now the PJ would be wondering why the hell there was no DNA of Maddie around? Say by the 5th of May the PJ was asking awkward questions re DNA. Maddie has no toothbrush, no hairbrush, all her clothes are washed. Hmm.
So a video to prove that she got on a plane and arrived in PdL. It doesn't actually prove that, it's a little girl in pink sitting next to the twins and Mummy. A little girl in pink on the steps.
It's all so indistinct that she could have had a moustache for all we know.
I found the atmosphere in the bus very tense. As if someone has had an argument and the rest of the group are trying to jolly things up. Slight feeling of embarrassment.

Same day we get the playground photographs? So on the day of arrival there was quite a lot of filmed and photographed activity, after that?
First photos released would never help find the girl, videos released wouldn't help a jot either.
Recent, clear photographs, of which there should have been plenty, would be helpful.

Marian, I think it's the same trousers, just rolled up (perhaps because of the stumble on the steps?).

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 16.10.11 7:44

Where can I find the statement or info about a shared toothbrush/lack of DNA? I remember about the pillow from Rothley years ago but don't know where to look for a refresher. Thanks.

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Post by Guest on 16.10.11 9:23

I know what Tigger means about the seemingly odd atmosphere on the bus. We've probably all been in a social situation where someone is in a bad mood, sulking or being a general pain in the rear. We try not to let that person ruin things for everyone so we carry on as normal but it's rather fraught, not knowing what old misery guts will do next.

Madeleine's trousers look to me as if they're too narrow to be rolled up (I could be wrong of course) and they also seem lighter in colour on the bus. I accept though that the shadows in the earlier images could be the cause of that.

The problem is that many of the photos of Madeleine are of doubtful authenticity so you're suspicious of them all!
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Post by Bebootje on 16.10.11 9:41

It is odd really that there are so many pictures from the start of the holliday and so few from the rest. If there were I imagine they would have released them.
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Post by tigger on 16.10.11 11:21

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:Where can I find the statement or info about a shared toothbrush/lack of DNA? I remember about the pillow from Rothley years ago but don't know where to look for a refresher. Thanks.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3221-toothbrush?highlight=dna+apartment+toothbrush

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 16.10.11 13:53

Thanks Tigger. Was it ever in the official PJ files though? Some elements of the story like the bag going awol, the fridge, toothbrush etc, well I'm just wondering that some of the things percieved as fact from the early days, possibly from the Mirror Forum and then on from that, may be urban legend stuff. You see, I'm thinking that maybe the kids didn't have just the one toothbrush (I find that hard to believe), but being kids maybe picked up and used the wrong one, so introducing the notion of sharing? Likewise the lack of Maddies DNA. I struggle to believe this, and think it might be a case of when you have three very small children who get everywhere and onto everything it is more a case of not being able to retrieve uncontaminated DNA. Just thinking aloud really because some of the elements discussed don't ring true for me. Early on there was loads of stuff mentioned which now, four years on I can't remember seeing since. There was a rumour on Mirror forum IIRC suggesting that Gerry had bought a number of cleaning products in Baptista but then we hear that the Brits did not co-operate in procuring credit card records. I've become quite confused over the last four years to be honest.

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@Smokeandmirrors wrote:Thanks Tigger. Was it ever in the official PJ files though? Some elements of the story like the bag going awol, the fridge, toothbrush etc, well I'm just wondering that some of the things percieved as fact from the early days, possibly from the Mirror Forum and then on from that, may be urban legend stuff. You see, I'm thinking that maybe the kids didn't have just the one toothbrush (I find that hard to believe), but being kids maybe picked up and used the wrong one, so introducing the notion of sharing? Likewise the lack of Maddies DNA. I struggle to believe this, and think it might be a case of when you have three very small children who get everywhere and onto everything it is more a case of not being able to retrieve uncontaminated DNA. Just thinking aloud really because some of the elements discussed don't ring true for me. Early on there was loads of stuff mentioned which now, four years on I can't remember seeing since. There was a rumour on Mirror forum IIRC suggesting that Gerry had bought a number of cleaning products in Baptista but then we hear that the Brits did not co-operate in procuring credit card records. I've become quite confused over the last four years to be honest.

Not only the tennis bag, but the pink blanket disappeared.Since Maddie was supposed to have been inseparable from this blanket, it follows it must have had her DNA on it, but possibly also cadaver odour. The dogs were coming in the following day and I think both the tennis bag and the blanket were whooshed for that reason.
Not only was there no designated toothbrush or hairbrush for Maddie, but, although she is shown in the playground (if it is her) with trainers and could hardly have gone to bed with them, the trainers would have provided a fair amount of DNA. However, no trainers either on 4/5 and only 'shared' sandals, that is she shared them with the twins.
So, if Maddie died more or less in the first days they were there, a lot of cleaning, including washing the curtains, any DNA which could prove drugs?
All gone.
I think to be clear of drugs, even their own medicine bag with the usual stuff disappeared, was possibly the most important point. They didn't know about Eddie and Keela and the length of time cadaver odour lasts. (When the car was tested, they said cadaver odour only lasted 30 days)
The GNR dogs just worked on a specific human scent.
When they asked for an item of Maddie's clothing on 4/5, Kate gave them a towel. (Blanket would obviously have been better)The GNR suspected it was Gerry's towel, since the dogs tracked a trail to and from the supermarket, where Gerry was known to have been the previous day.
The tennis bag is a fact, the pink blanket is a fact, the lack of DNA is a fact.
They refused to have the twins tested for drugs until months later, when their hair was cut very short. It turned out to be free of drugs.
I really don't think this is a case of children mixing things up. Of course there wasn't just the family toothbrush (it was for the whole family!)
Using Calpol on children is illegal in Portugal and will net you a jail sentence.

Dont forget that nowhere near all the evidence is out in public, the PJ have kept quite a lot back. Urban legends aren't necessary here, you couldn't make it up if you tried.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 16.10.11 14:27

you couldn't make it up if you tried

That is so true. SO much is known yet so little. It's driving me nuts TBH.

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Post by Guest on 16.10.11 14:36

I just can't understand why none of the clothing worn in any of the infamous holiday photos was ever produced, even if they'd been washed. Would it not have been a good marketing ploy to say arrange for a child to model the ragbag tennis court outfit? If nothing that Madeleine wore was ever seen by anyone else, all that I can think of is that it didn't exist in the first place.

The shared toothbrush story is gross and - pun fully intended - sets my teeth on edge. I'm not impressed by the sharing of shoes either. I came from a very poor family and clothes were usually second-hand but one thing that my mother was particular about was no second-hand shoes. Partly for hygiene reasons but also because it just wasn't good for your feet to wear shoes that someone else had worn down in their own way.
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