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Post by thetruthbeknown 26.10.13 17:19

sami wrote:
thetruthbeknown wrote:Im not even sure if I can say this...Id heard a name put around for Tannerman, I wasnt sure if it was official (thats why I asked) The name was Stephen Carpenter?? If that was the case (and true, which of course seems to be either hearsay or someones theory) then could it be counted out as Tannerman and Smithman being the same person? As Carpenter was staying in an apartment on the complex and taking his children back to there??
 But carpenter gave statements to the PJ in 2007.
Yes they did, but was it connected to the Tanner sighting? Did they already discount it..after all wasnt 'tannerman' pushed to the forefront by people other then PJ? wasnt it the McCanns and private investigators who got the efit drawn up?? Or have I misunderstood that bit?? Sorry, I am new to the research and trying to read as much as possible :) But its all so confusing...
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Post by chillyheat 26.10.13 17:22

PeterMac wrote:
thetruthbeknown wrote:Has anyone 'officially mentioned' who Tannerman was or might have been? Having heard of him being cleared by SY as a British tourist? Or has his name never been released?
Fascinating that he has not sold his story to the press
Suspected for 6 years, life in ruins, always bear the guilt of having bug****ed up the enquiry by not coming forward, didn't realise that they meant me,  . . .  [fill in your own headlines]
No 15 minutes of infamy, no money, no name, nothing.

So . . .

Does he exist ?
Did he exist ?
Was Tanner right ?
Was Tanner deluded ?
Was Tanner hallucinating ?
Did Tanner invent the whole thing?
If so, why have SY chosen to totally discredit that whole episode.

COULD it be that they had to, because with Tannerman they are left with the "Window of Opportunity" of ONE minute and TWENTY seconds,
and there is no way round that inconvenient truth.
No amount of re-constructions, mockmentaries or anything else could POSSIBLY show how anything much could be done in that time.

And SY does not wish to be left in that position.
Spooky.....

Gareth Williams was murdered after he discovered BBC pedophiles and/or heterophobes (allegedly in a joint venture with Central Saint Martin’s College's Drama Centre in London), had been developing Crimewatch scripts BEFORE the crimes had been committed and re-staging the scenes AFTER the crimes had been committed to point suspicion at the innocent and away from the guilty..

Reads as far fetched...But ya never know whats going on
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Post by petunia 26.10.13 20:07

PeterMac wrote:
thetruthbeknown wrote:Has anyone 'officially mentioned' who Tannerman was or might have been? Having heard of him being cleared by SY as a British tourist? Or has his name never been released?
Fascinating that he has not sold his story to the press
Suspected for 6 years, life in ruins, always bear the guilt of having bug****ed up the enquiry by not coming forward, didn't realise that they meant me,  . . .  [fill in your own headlines]
No 15 minutes of infamy, no money, no name, nothing.

So . . .

Does he exist ?
Did he exist ?
Was Tanner right ?
Was Tanner deluded ?
Was Tanner hallucinating ?
Did Tanner invent the whole thing?
If so, why have SY chosen to totally discredit that whole episode.

COULD it be that they had to, because with Tannerman they are left with the "Window of Opportunity" of ONE minute and TWENTY seconds,
and there is no way round that inconvenient truth.
No amount of re-constructions, mockmentaries or anything else could POSSIBLY show how anything much could be done in that time.

And SY does not wish to be left in that position.
what would we do without you petermac and many others of course.clapping 
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Post by ConcernedCitizen 27.10.13 4:31

Bringing this over from another thread ...

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bristowMadeleine clues hidden for 5 years
The new prime suspect was first singled out by detectives in 2008. Their findings were suppressed. Insight reports
The Sunday Times Insight team Published: 27 October 2013


[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Madeleine disappeared from the Praia da Luz resort in May 2007 (Adrian Sheratt)

THE critical new evidence at the centre of Scotland Yard’s search for Madeleine McCann was kept secret for five years after it was presented to her parents by ex-MI5 investigators.
The evidence was in fact taken from an intelligence report produced for Gerry and Kate McCann by a firm of former spies in 2008.
It contained crucial E-Fits of a man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance, which have only this month become public after he was identified as the prime suspect by Scotland Yard.
A team of hand-picked former MI5 agents had been hired by the McCanns to chase a much-needed breakthrough in the search for their missing daughter Madeleine.
 
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Madeleine disappeared from the Praia da Luz resort in May 2007Madeleine disappeared from the Praia da Luz resort in May 2007 (Adrian Sheratt)
THE critical new evidence at the centre of Scotland Yard’s search for Madeleine McCann was kept secret for five years after it was presented to her parents by ex-MI5 investigators.

The evidence was in fact taken from an intelligence report produced for Gerry and Kate McCann by a firm of former spies in 2008.

It contained crucial E-Fits of a man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance, which have only this month become public after he was identified as the prime suspect by Scotland Yard.

A team of hand-picked former MI5 agents had been hired by the McCanns to chase a much-needed breakthrough in the search for their missing daughter Madeleine.


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10 months after the three-year-old had disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, and the McCanns were beginning to despair over the handling of the local police investigation. They were relying on the new team to bring fresh hope.

But within months the relationship had soured. A report produced by the investigators was deemed “hypercritical” of the McCanns and their friends, and the authors were threatened with legal action if it was made public. Its contents remained secret until Scotland Yard detectives conducting a fresh review of the case contacted the authors and asked for a copy.

They found that it contained new evidence about a key suspect seen carrying a child away from the McCanns’ holiday apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared.

This sighting is now considered the main lead in the investigation and E-Fits of the suspect, taken from the report, were the centrepiece of a Crimewatch appeal that attracted more than 2,400 calls from the public this month.

One of the investigators whose work was sidelined said last week he was “utterly stunned” when he watched the programme and saw the evidence his team had passed to the McCanns five years ago presented as a breakthrough.

The team of investigators from the security firm Oakley International were hired by the McCanns’ Find Madeleine fund, which bankrolled private investigations into the girl’s disappearance. They were led by Henri Exton, MI5’s former undercover operations chief.

Their report, seen by The Sunday Times, focused on a sighting by an Irish family of a man carrying a child at about 10pm on May 3, 2007, when Madeleine went missing.

An earlier sighting by one of the McCanns’ friends was dismissed as less credible after “serious inconsistencies” were found in her evidence. The report also raised questions about “anomalies” in the statements given by the McCanns and their friends.

Exton confirmed last week that the fund had silenced his investigators for years after they handed over their controversial findings. He said: “A letter came from their lawyers binding us to the confidentiality of the report.”

He claimed the legal threat had prevented him from handing over the report to Scotland Yard’s fresh investigation, until detectives had obtained written permission from the fund.

A source close to the fund said the report was considered “hypercritical of the people involved” and “would have been completely distracting” if it became public.

Kate and Gerry McCann: now officially not suspects, say the Portuguese authoritiesKate and Gerry McCann: now officially not suspects, say the Portuguese authorities (Adrian Sheratt) Oakley’s six-month investigation included placing undercover agents inside the Ocean Club where the family stayed, lie detector tests, covert surveillance and a forensic re-examination of all existing evidence.

It was immediately clear that two sightings of vital importance had been reported to the police. Two men were seen carrying children near the apartments between 9pm, when Madeleine was last seen by Gerry, and 10pm, when Kate discovered her missing.

The first man was seen at 9.15pm by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, who had been dining with them at the tapas bar in the resort. She saw a man carrying a girl just yards from the apartment as she went to check on her children.

The second sighting was by Martin Smith and his family from Ireland, who saw a man carrying a child near the apartment just before 10pm.

The earlier Tanner sighting had always been treated as the most significant, but the Oakley team controversially poured cold water on her account.

Instead, they focused on the Smith sighting, travelling to Ireland to interview the family and produce E-Fits of the man they saw. Their report said the Smiths were “helpful and sincere” and concluded: “The Smith sighting is credible evidence of a sighting of Maddie and more credible than Jane Tanner’s sighting”. The evidence had been “neglected for too long” and an “overemphasis placed on Tanner”.

The new focus shifted the believed timeline of the abduction back by 45 minutes.

The pictures of a man who may have taken Madeleine were drawn up in 2008The pictures of a man who may have taken Madeleine were drawn up in 2008 (Adrian Sheratt) The report, delivered to the McCanns in November 2008, recommended that the revised timeline should be the basis for future investigations and that the Smith E-Fits should be released without delay.

The potential abductor seen by the Smiths is now the prime suspect in Scotland Yard’s investigation, after detectives established that the man seen earlier by Tanner was almost certainly a father carrying his child home from a nearby night creche. The Smith E-Fits were the centrepiece of the Crimewatch appeal.

One of the Oakley investigators said last week: “I was absolutely stunned when I watched the programme . . . It most certainly wasn’t a new timeline and it certainly isn’t a new revelation. It is absolute nonsense to suggest either of those things . . . And those E-Fits you saw on Crimewatch are ours,” he said.

The detailed images of the face of the man seen by the Smith family were never released by the McCanns. But an artist’s impression of the man seen earlier by Tanner was widely promoted, even though the face had to be left blank because she had only seen him fleetingly and from a distance.

Various others images of lone men spotted hanging around the resort at other times were also released.

Nor were the Smith E-Fits included in Kate McCann’s 2011 book, Madeleine, which contained a whole section on eight “key sightings” and identified those of the Smiths and Tanner as most “crucial”. Descriptions of all seven other sightings were accompanied by an E-Fit or artist’s impression. The Smiths’ were the only exception. So why was such a “crucial” piece of evidence kept under lock and key?

The relationship between the fund and Oakley was already souring by the time the report was submitted — and its findings could only have made matters worse.

As well as questioning parts of the McCanns’ evidence, it contained sensitive information about Madeleine’s sleeping patterns and raised the highly sensitive possibility that she could have died in an accident after leaving the apartment herself from one of two unsecured doors.

There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.

The McCanns were also understandably wary of Oakley after allegations that the chairman, Kevin Halligen, failed to pass on money paid by the fund to Exton’s team. Halligen denies this. He was later convicted of fraud in an unrelated case in the US.

The McCann fund source said the Oakley report was passed on to new private investigators after the contract ended, but that the firm’s work was considered “contaminated” by the financial dispute.

He said the fund wanted to continue to pursue information about the man seen by Tanner, and it would have been too expensive to investigate both sightings in full — so the Smith E-Fits were not publicised. It was also considered necessary to threaten legal action against the authors.

“[The report] was hypercritical of the people involved . . . It just wouldn’t be conducive to the investigation to have that report publicly declared because . . . the newspapers would have been all over it. And it would have been completely distracting,” said the source.

A statement released by the Find Madeleine fund said that “all information privately gathered during the search for Madeleine has been fully acted upon where necessary” and had been passed to Scotland Yard.

It continued: “Throughout the investigation, the Find Madeleine fund’s sole priority has been, and remains, to find Madeleine and bring her home as swiftly as possible.”

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Post by jowie 27.10.13 10:25

I would be interested to read Tony's thoughts on this breaking news.  Smithman, whether GM or RM or indeed someone else -  the info being supressed for over 5 years by the McCanns ???    E-fits missing from Kate's book ?   Talk about hindering the search ....
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Post by PeterMac 27.10.13 11:01

jowie wrote:I would be interested to read Tony's thoughts on this breaking news.  Smithman, whether GM or RM or indeed someone else -  the info being supressed for over 5 years by the McCanns ???    E-fits missing from Kate's book ?   Talk about hindering the search ....
Don't forget that Tony is the only person in the world forbidden to say that Tannerman was bogus.
Everyone else can say it, the McCanns can admit it, but he is STILL forbidden to say it, and will be sent to prison if he does so.
The McCanns and Carter-Ruck, acting together ensured that.

I imagine that TB may be speaking to a lawyer or even the Police, some time soon, about malicious prosecution, perjury,
Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice, and perhaps a few more things.
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Post by Liz Eagles 27.10.13 11:38

PeterMac wrote:
jowie wrote:I would be interested to read Tony's thoughts on this breaking news.  Smithman, whether GM or RM or indeed someone else -  the info being supressed for over 5 years by the McCanns ???    E-fits missing from Kate's book ?   Talk about hindering the search ....
Don't forget that Tony is the only person in the world forbidden to say that Tannerman was bogus.
Everyone else can say it, the McCanns can admit it, but he is STILL forbidden to say it, and will be sent to prison if he does so.
The McCanns and Carter-Ruck, acting together ensured that.

I imagine that TB may be speaking to a lawyer or even the Police, some time soon, about malicious prosecution, perjury,
Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice, and perhaps a few more things.
I sincerely hope Tony does consult lawyers.
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Post by Guest 27.10.13 11:59

The 17 similarities between Tannerman and Smithman?
Because there had to be enough similarities in the fabricated Tannerman to the real Smithman.

After whoever was spotted by the Smith family, there had to be another sighting, similar, going in the opposite direction, at a different time.

It is a horrible thought but I am not sure if Madeleines body (assuming she was deceased going on the dog's findings), was originally put on the beach. And not hidden too well expecting that it would be found and blamed on the "paedophile" that snatched her out of her bed. 
(Shame they didn't do a dry run with window and shutters and curtains, and doors.)
But after the Smiths saw the person carrying Maddie in the direction of the beach, the body was moved by one or other or all 3 of the members of the T9 who were on the beach during the early search.
She couldn't now be found there. They had been seen.
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Post by Cerinthe 27.10.13 13:11

My assumption has always been that Gerry knew he was seen by the Smiths when he was carrying Madeleine through the streets, so Jane Tanner was volunteered to concoct another earlier sighting, to make it look like Madeleine was removed from the apartment at a different time, and to neutralise any possible Smith identification of Gerry. 

No communication would be needed between the Smiths and Jane Tanner in that scenario, and it wouldn't be a coincidence but rather part of the false story the group was creating before the police arrived, as they wrote out timelines on Madeleine's book cover rather than running through the streets looking for her and her abductor.   I also always thought that any resemblance between Gerry and Bundleman was caused by Jane's subconscious working away out of her control. 

The Smiths not reporting the sighting immediately would be explained by the fact that people are not always aware of the significance of what the've seen until after some reflection on events.   Similarly as has been said already, it took a specific set of circumstances i.e. seeing Gerry actually carrying a child,  to jog the Mr Smiths memory.  It's not that unusual for memory to be stimulated at a later date, it's one of the reasons the police stage physical reconstructions, because they can be another way of accessing witness memories.
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Post by Guest 27.10.13 14:17

Cerinthe wrote: [...]
The Smiths not reporting the sighting immediately would be explained by the fact that people are not always aware of the significance of what the've seen until after some reflection on events.   Similarly as has been said already, it took a specific set of circumstances i.e. seeing Gerry actually carrying a child,  to jog the Mr Smiths memory.  It's not that unusual for memory to be stimulated at a later date, it's one of the reasons the police stage physical reconstructions, because they can be another way of accessing witness memories.
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To be noted that Mr. Smith called the police, when suspicion fell on Murat, whom he stated to know from seeing him in PdL and it was not him that he saw. That he and his son and daughter were [secretly] brought to Portugal on May 26, 2007 to make addiotnal statements. And that he made the statement, you refer to above in September 2007, after he'd seen GM debarking Easyjet on their flight way back to the U.K. It's on record, that he said to have been shocked at the realisation, who might have seen [60-80% sure] and couldn't sleep. Then he called the police again.
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Post by Nereid 27.10.13 14:46

Snipped from the Sunday Times article:

"There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects"



From:
"He says that it would not be possible to recognise the individual in person or from a photograph."
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Martin Smith, the father, thought that news footage of Gerry McCann coming down the steps of an airplane, reminded him of the man he saw at around ten pm on the night
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"does not believe the man he saw was Gerry"
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Post by Cerinthe 27.10.13 14:53

Is there a more recent statement where Mr Smith says he doesn't believe the man he saw was Gerry?  I've only seen newspapers reporting it as a fact but not a direct quotation from Mr Smith.
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Post by thetruthbeknown 27.10.13 15:14

I am losing track a little with so much reading to do, but regarding this:

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects"

Was it said at one point that someone connected to the McCanns had visited Smith after the initial proposed indentification of GM being Smithman? Im thinking maybe a changed slant, a little intimitaded/scared maybe?...just a thought, and like I say, ive done so much reading, and I havent been able to find that particular bit of information that I seem to recall :/ Clarification from someone would be appreciated smilie
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Post by pennylane 27.10.13 15:32

thetruthbeknown wrote:I am losing track a little with so much reading to do, but regarding this:

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects"

Was it said at one point that someone connected to the McCanns had visited Smith after the initial proposed indentification of GM being Smithman? Im thinking maybe a changed slant, a little intimitaded/scared maybe?...just a thought, and like I say, ive done so much reading, and I havent been able to find that particular bit of information that I seem to recall :/ Clarification from someone would be appreciated smilie
I'll bet you Smith has said no such thing!  He's probably been asked 'is it possible you could be wrong,' to which he would have no doubt said 'yes' as he was not 100% sure.   That doesn't mean 'he no longer believes.'
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Post by Guest 27.10.13 15:36

thetruthbeknown wrote: [...]
Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects" [...]
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Like Cerinth I've seen this only in newspapers without any direct quote from Mr. Smith or even a "source close to".
And we all know what to think about newspapers ....
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Post by pennylane 27.10.13 15:37

Châtelaine wrote:
thetruthbeknown wrote: [...]
Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects" [...]
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Like Cerinth I've seen this only in newspapers without any direct quote from Mr. Smith or even a "source close to".
And we all know what to think about newspapers ....
Exactly Chatelaine. They would have definitely used quotes if he had made such a strong statement.
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Post by thetruthbeknown 27.10.13 15:40

pennylane wrote:
thetruthbeknown wrote:I am losing track a little with so much reading to do, but regarding this:

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects"

Was it said at one point that someone connected to the McCanns had visited Smith after the initial proposed indentification of GM being Smithman? Im thinking maybe a changed slant, a little intimitaded/scared maybe?...just a thought, and like I say, ive done so much reading, and I havent been able to find that particular bit of information that I seem to recall :/ Clarification from someone would be appreciated smilie
I'll bet you Smith has said no such thing!  He's probably been asked 'is it possible you could be wrong,' to which he would have no doubt said 'yes' as he was not 100% sure.   That doesn't mean 'he no longer believes.'
Im thinking you may be right pennylane..the only statement proposed from smith seems to be about Murat, and not gerry..Im thinking maybe certain media got 'confused' with their 'arguidos'...heres a snippet from Smith:


But Mr Smith is certain that the man he and his family saw that night was not Robert Murat, who is still officially an "arguido" in the Madeleine McCann investigation.

 

"I told police it was definitely not him because the man wasn't as big as Murat - I think I would have recognised him because I'd met him several times previously.

 

"He was wearing beige trousers and a darker top. We all put him in his early 40s and I didn't think he was Portuguese."
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Post by pennylane 27.10.13 16:03

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pennylane wrote:
thetruthbeknown wrote:I am losing track a little with so much reading to do, but regarding this:

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects"

Was it said at one point that someone connected to the McCanns had visited Smith after the initial proposed indentification of GM being Smithman? Im thinking maybe a changed slant, a little intimitaded/scared maybe?...just a thought, and like I say, ive done so much reading, and I havent been able to find that particular bit of information that I seem to recall :/ Clarification from someone would be appreciated smilie
I'll bet you Smith has said no such thing!  He's probably been asked 'is it possible you could be wrong,' to which he would have no doubt said 'yes' as he was not 100% sure.   That doesn't mean 'he no longer believes.'
Im thinking you may be right pennylane..the only statement proposed from smith seems to be about Murat, and not gerry..Im thinking maybe certain media got 'confused' with their 'arguidos'...heres a snippet from Smith:


But Mr Smith is certain that the man he and his family saw that night was not Robert Murat, who is still officially an "arguido" in the Madeleine McCann investigation.

 

"I told police it was definitely not him because the man wasn't as big as Murat - I think I would have recognised him because I'd met him several times previously.

 

"He was wearing beige trousers and a darker top. We all put him in his early 40s and I didn't think he was Portuguese."
I agree TTB! 'Confusion is good' and that's the sort of statement by Mr Smith, that Clarence Mitchell will get a lot of mileage out of, albeit always conveniently in the wrong context!
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Post by ProfessorPPlum 27.10.13 17:00

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Was it said at one point that someone connected to the McCanns had visited Smith after the initial proposed indentification of GM being Smithman? Im thinking maybe a changed slant, a little intimitaded/scared maybe?...
Yes I believe that Brian Kennedy and / or his people visited the Smiths after which their certainty about it being GM reduced considerably. Sorry I don't have the link

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Post by tigger 27.10.13 18:36

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thetruthbeknown wrote:
Was it said at one point that someone connected to the McCanns had visited Smith after the initial proposed indentification of GM being Smithman? Im thinking maybe a changed slant, a little intimitaded/scared maybe?...
Yes I believe that Brian Kennedy and / or his people visited the Smiths after which their certainty about it being GM reduced considerably. Sorry I don't have the link
He has been contacted by numerous tabloid press looking for stories. He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits.

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These are the statements dated 30-1-2008 and earlier. 
So Exron would have met with him later that year to make the E-fits? Perhaps he didn't like BK?

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Post by sallypelt 27.10.13 18:46

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Post by jeanmonroe 28.10.13 14:38

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WHY did SY 'remove' the 'child' the man was 'carrying' from THEIR 'E-fit'?

After all, JT gave a very detailed 'description' of the childs pyjamas didn't she?

So WHY have SY 'removed' the child completely?

Could it be because the pyjamas the mans child was wearing are nothing like the ones JT 'described'?

So why did JT tell the police, and anyone else that would listen to her, and  describe an EXACT 'match' to the pyjamas Madeleine was wearing?

So it MUST of been Madeleine being carried off!

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Post by sami 28.10.13 15:04

Am I stupid or why is it I cannot see the point of showing us that photo ?  Is it to convince the masses he must be real because he was on CW as a live person ?  I just don't see wht the purpose of such an idiotic photo is, look I can put my arms out.  

I think he does not have a child because it is too difficult to carry a four ear old like that.
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Post by Truthandjustice 28.10.13 15:18

Also, that guy has clearly got wavy/curly hair, I can see that even though he is pixelated and I haven't got my glasses on, whereas the drawing has very straight and shiny hair.
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'FALSE 'abductor' pyjamas (blue bottoms) (far left)

the two of the right (white bottoms) to match:

JT's  DETAILED 'description' of Madeleine's 'pyjama bottoms' that she didn't KNOW about, according to GM! As her PROOF of seeing Madeleine being 'abducted'

Got to be colour blind, hasn't she?

eta JT never ever 'mentioned' the big round logo on the right leg of the pyjamas even though THAT is what she would have seen (focal point) from where she 'saw' the legs dangling down.

The 'logo' on the right leg is not on the FALSE e-fit 'abductor' the McCanns are STILL promoting on their site, and have done for many, many YEARS!
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Post by marxman 28.10.13 16:35

Smith's sighting at approx 10pm.
It is reported that Kate's alarm may have been a lot earlier,
If this was the case, then it would provide an ideal cover within
all the commotion and distraction for Gerry to run off with Maddie.
If Gerry did indeed meet the Smith family at 10pm, and he was
concerned that he could be identified, this may have ensured that
their 'timeline' was tailored to fit Gerry being with witnesses and
at the tapas. Hence the importance of the sticker book timeline.
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Post by Daisy 28.10.13 17:24

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'FALSE 'abductor' pyjamas (blue bottoms) (far left)

the two of the right (white bottoms) to match:

JT's  DETAILED 'description' of Madeleine's 'pyjama bottoms' that she didn't KNOW about, according to GM! As her PROOF of seeing Madeleine being 'abducted'

Got to be colour blind, hasn't she?

eta JT never ever 'mentioned' the big round logo on the right leg of the pyjamas even though THAT is what she would have seen (focal point) from where she 'saw' the legs dangling down.

The 'logo' on the right leg is not on the FALSE e-fit 'abductor' the McCanns are STILL promoting on their site, and have done for many, many YEARS!
I'm still baffled as to why they now show a pink blanket? No one has yet come up with any explanation for this. JT stressed there was NO blanket. So why does it appear now? :please: 

The blanket that's been cropped from the image above.

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  I wonder why.........................   [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  the ears are not a fit, but other things are


  the shape of the face, the hairline, the tip of the nose and the biggie for me, which is a standout for the detail picked up, the eyes, note the left in relation toi the right. Identical.

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Post by canada12 06.04.14 10:44

Perhaps his ears weren't really noticed by Mr Smith, and so non-distinctive, neutral ears were used.
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Post by joyce1938 06.04.14 10:55

The pics of pyjamas ,the ones used by father carrying his child home ?the pink that someone felt was the pink blanket ,showed a sleeve ,not blanket but a top that would have been thicker than pyjamas ,but used over top of them and much warmer when carried home.imo joyce1938
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