SMITHMAN 2 - What can account for the 17 remarkable similarities between Tannerman and Smithman?

candyfloss wrote: 8. She was being held on the man’s left side


Both gave different accounts re this.  Tanners was lying in his arms on front of his chest.  Smith said she was being carried over the shoulder.

Did Smith say the girl was barefoot?

Sockpuppet wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Sockpuppet wrote:The Smith sighting was at 9.55pm - 10.00pm.

The first GNR patrol car arrived at 11.00pm - 11.05pm.

That's at least an hour in which to discuss the Smith sighting and write timelines.

How is this impossible?

Intriguing.

Please explain how it is physically possible for Martin Smith to communicate his sighting to Jane Tanner before 11.00pmon 3 May 2007.

(Especially given that he waited several days and was back home in Drogheda before picking up the 'phone and dialling Portimao 1212).

Where is this likely to have happened?

Who said that Martin Smith communicated with Jane Tanner?  I haven't.  You're putting words in my mouth.

The person that Martin Smith and family saw POSSIBLY returned to apartment 5A and told Jane Tanner.

That is physically POSSIBLE, even if the person walked stupidly slowly all the way.

I believe we have covered possibility, haven't we?

tiny wrote:was jane tanners sighting added to the sticker book cover AFTER Gerry had been seen by the Smith Family

Tony Bennett wrote:

Sockpuppet wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Sockpuppet wrote:The Smith sighting was at 9.55pm - 10.00pm.

The first GNR patrol car arrived at 11.00pm - 11.05pm.

That's at least an hour in which to discuss the Smith sighting and write timelines.

How is this impossible?

Intriguing.

Please explain how it is physically possible for Martin Smith to communicate his sighting to Jane Tanner before 11.00pmon 3 May 2007.

(Especially given that he waited several days and was back home in Drogheda before picking up the 'phone and dialling Portimao 1212).

Where is this likely to have happened?

Who said that Martin Smith communicated with Jane Tanner?  I haven't.  You're putting words in my mouth.

The person that Martin Smith and family saw POSSIBLY returned to apartment 5A and told Jane Tanner.

That is physically POSSIBLE, even if the person walked stupidly slowly all the way.

I believe we have covered possibility, haven't we?

I must admit that my poor old brain is struggling with this.

So, a man wearing a dark jacket and light trousers, and who definitely didn't look like a tourist, and who was carrying a young blonde girl back to..well...somewhere, and after placing her, er, somewhere, 'returned' for some reason to Apartment G5A and then spoke to Jane Tanner?

Before I go any further, I want to check if I've got that bit right.

If I'm on the right lines, we then have to explain why Jane Tanner then described the man she saw in exactly the same terms given by Martin Smith to the PJ three weeks or more later.

I think Option 3 in the poll makes a lot more sense than that.

But, hey, explain a bit more and, if I'm convinced that what you say is a POSSIBILITY, I will include it in the poll.

Sockpuppet wrote:Hey, leave it as it is.  If disagreeing with you happens to equal impossibility, that's fine by me.

candyfloss wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Sockpuppet wrote:The Smith sighting was at 9.55pm - 10.00pm.

The first GNR patrol car arrived at 11.00pm - 11.05pm.

That's at least an hour in which to discuss the Smith sighting and write timelines.

How is this impossible?

Intriguing.

Please explain how it is physically possible for Martin Smith to communicate his sighting to Jane Tanner before 11.00pmon 3 May 2007.

(Especially given that he waited several days and was back home in Drogheda before picking up the 'phone and dialling Portimao 1212).

Where is this likely to have happened?

Tony, he wouldn't need to communicate anything...........

Tony Bennett wrote:

Sockpuppet wrote:Hey, leave it as it is.  If disagreeing with you happens to equal impossibility, that's fine by me.

No, no, no. I don't want to leave it as it is.

I don't want to be accused of running an unfair poll.

You can disagree - and put forward a viable fourth option.

It's just that I've not seen it yet.

Please tell us more about how news of the Smithman sighting got to Jane Tanner so quickly (but not to the PJ until 23 days later).  

Tony Bennett wrote:

tiny wrote:was jane tanners sighting added to the sticker book cover AFTER Gerry had been seen by the Smith Family

tiny, that's IF there was any such sighting, of course.

Let's just say for now that there really was a bloke seen by the Smiths at 10.00pm.

Who says it was Gerry McCann, for starters?

ANSWER: A bloke who did nothing about this alleged sighting until days later when he was back in Ireland.

A bloke who more than three weeks after the event says: 'Well, I didn't see his face and it was dark - I'd never be able to recognise him again if I saw him'.

A bloke who FOUR MONTHS LATER says, on watching a TV bulletin 'I'm at least 60% sure I saw Gerry McCann. I don't need anything else to convince me. It's the way he's carrying his child - and the way he has his head down.

?

candyfloss wrote: 8. She was being held on the man’s left side

Both gave different accounts re this.  Tanners was lying in his arms on front of his chest.  Smith said she was being carried over the shoulder.

Did Smith say the girl was barefoot?

tiny wrote:Tony I don't know where you are going with this but its plain you think Robert Murat is being covered up for,so I will leave you too it.

Woofer wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Sockpuppet wrote:The Smith sighting was at 9.55pm - 10.00pm.

The first GNR patrol car arrived at 11.00pm - 11.05pm.

That's at least an hour in which to discuss the Smith sighting and write timelines.

How is this impossible?

Intriguing.

Please explain how it is physically possible for Martin Smith to communicate his sighting to Jane Tanner before 11.00pmon 3 May 2007.

(Especially given that he waited several days and was back home in Drogheda before picking up the 'phone and dialling Portimao 1212).

Where is this likely to have happened?

Tony, he wouldn't need to communicate anything...........

Agreed.  GM gets back, says `I was seen`, so JT just describes a man similar to GM but going in the opposite direction. And brings the time forward 45 mins.



But that would mean SY have invented creche man and if Smithman was GM why would they do that?hope the Pj can Maker some sense out of allego this

johara wrote:

Woofer wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Sockpuppet wrote:The Smith sighting was at 9.55pm - 10.00pm.

The first GNR patrol car arrived at 11.00pm - 11.05pm.

That's at least an hour in which to discuss the Smith sighting and write timelines.

How is this impossible?

Intriguing.

Please explain how it is physically possible for Martin Smith to communicate his sighting to Jane Tanner before 11.00pmon 3 May 2007.

(Especially given that he waited several days and was back home in Drogheda before picking up the 'phone and dialling Portimao 1212).

Where is this likely to have happened?

Tony, he wouldn't need to communicate anything...........

Agreed.  GM gets back, says `I was seen`, so JT just describes a man similar to GM but going in the opposite direction. And brings the time forward 45 mins.



But that would mean SY have invented creche man and if Smithman was GM why would they do that?hope the Pj can Maker some sense out of allego this

Tony Bennett wrote:

tiny wrote:Tony I don't know where you are going with this but its plain you think Robert Murat is being covered up for,so I will leave you too it.

I am going exactly where I say I am going and no further.

And that is, what is the cause of Jane Tanner and Martin Smith describing virtually the same man wearing virtually the same clothing carrying virtually the same young blonde female child?

I think there are three main options - but you and anyone else is able to suggest other plausible alternatives to those three options.

As yet, no viable fourth option has appeared.

For the purposes of this thread, Murat doesn't come into it at all.

Seek truth wrote:

candyfloss wrote: 8. She was being held on the man’s left side


Both gave different accounts re this.  Tanners was lying in his arms on front of his chest.  Smith said she was being carried over the shoulder.

Did Smith say the girl was barefoot?

Not too certain, but I'm sure I saw on a newspaper, yes, not sure it was smith who said it though.

First time heard of Praia da Luz being - a carry your child in pyjamas resort!

 

Anyway can we have two men carrying a child at the same time one girl goes missing?
Even if it wasn't that busy.

Woofer wrote:

johara wrote:

Woofer wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Sockpuppet wrote:The Smith sighting was at 9.55pm - 10.00pm.

The first GNR patrol car arrived at 11.00pm - 11.05pm.

That's at least an hour in which to discuss the Smith sighting and write timelines.

How is this impossible?

Intriguing.

Please explain how it is physically possible for Martin Smith to communicate his sighting to Jane Tanner before 11.00pmon 3 May 2007.

(Especially given that he waited several days and was back home in Drogheda before picking up the 'phone and dialling Portimao 1212).

Where is this likely to have happened?

Tony, he wouldn't need to communicate anything...........

Agreed.  GM gets back, says `I was seen`, so JT just describes a man similar to GM but going in the opposite direction. And brings the time forward 45 mins.



But that would mean SY have invented creche man and if Smithman was GM why would they do that?hope the Pj can Maker some sense out of allego this

IMO SY have invented Crecheman to clear JT. SY`s story of crecheman being found after 6 years is ridiculous.

Châtelaine wrote:To help the discussion as to why Mr. Smith would have mentioned Smithman was not a tourist. He was asked a question:

Smith Statement May 26, 2007 in Portimao, Portugal

Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing.

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And to help the discussion as to WHEN Mr. Smith contacted the police [in Ireland] and how he mentioned it was not Murat.

Summary from “A Verdade da Mentira” bij Gonçalo Amaral

-  Back in Ireland, the Smiths watch the news and learn of Jane's statement and the suspicions falling upon Murat.

- The father contacts the Irish police. He tells his story. The man he saw was NOT Murat. He knows Murat and it was not him.

- The father is almost certain that the girl he saw was Madeleine.

And then:
- The Smiths are secretly brought back to Portugal. On Saturday, 26 May, in Portimão, Smith and his two children are interviewed.

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candyfloss wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:To help the discussion as to why Mr. Smith would have mentioned Smithman was not a tourist. He was asked a question:

Smith Statement May 26, 2007 in Portimao, Portugal

Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing.

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And to help the discussion as to WHEN Mr. Smith contacted the police [in Ireland] and how he mentioned it was not Murat.

Summary from “A Verdade da Mentira” bij Gonçalo Amaral

-  Back in Ireland, the Smiths watch the news and learn of Jane's statement and the suspicions falling upon Murat.

- The father contacts the Irish police. He tells his story. The man he saw was NOT Murat. He knows Murat and it was not him.

- The father is almost certain that the girl he saw was Madeleine.

And then:
- The Smiths are secretly brought back to Portugal. On Saturday, 26 May, in Portimão, Smith and his two children are interviewed.

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Thanks Chatelaine, so it looks as if he was asked the question if the man looked like a tourist.

thetruthbeknown wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:To help the discussion as to why Mr. Smith would have mentioned Smithman was not a tourist. He was asked a question:

Smith Statement May 26, 2007 in Portimao, Portugal

Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

And to help the discussion as to WHEN Mr. Smith contacted the police [in Ireland] and how he mentioned it was not Murat.

Summary from “A Verdade da Mentira” bij Gonçalo Amaral

-  Back in Ireland, the Smiths watch the news and learn of Jane's statement and the suspicions falling upon Murat.

- The father contacts the Irish police. He tells his story. The man he saw was NOT Murat. He knows Murat and it was not him.

- The father is almost certain that the girl he saw was Madeleine.

And then:
- The Smiths are secretly brought back to Portugal. On Saturday, 26 May, in Portimão, Smith and his two children are interviewed.

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Thanks Chatelaine, so it looks as if he was asked the question if the man looked like a tourist.

Is there a tanscript?? Ive seen others online, but not one for the smiths??...You are insinuation the police almost 'fed' information to obtain answers...this would not be usual..it would be seen as the witness being 'influenced' or 'coerced'...usually the only prompting would be the showing of an ID photo..and certainly no names mentioned

candyfloss wrote:

thetruthbeknown wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:To help the discussion as to why Mr. Smith would have mentioned Smithman was not a tourist. He was asked a question:

Smith Statement May 26, 2007 in Portimao, Portugal

Urged, he states that the individual did not appear to be a tourist. He cannot explain this further. It was simply his perception given the individual's clothing.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

And to help the discussion as to WHEN Mr. Smith contacted the police [in Ireland] and how he mentioned it was not Murat.

Summary from “A Verdade da Mentira” bij Gonçalo Amaral

-  Back in Ireland, the Smiths watch the news and learn of Jane's statement and the suspicions falling upon Murat.

- The father contacts the Irish police. He tells his story. The man he saw was NOT Murat. He knows Murat and it was not him.

- The father is almost certain that the girl he saw was Madeleine.

And then:
- The Smiths are secretly brought back to Portugal. On Saturday, 26 May, in Portimão, Smith and his two children are interviewed.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Thanks Chatelaine, so it looks as if he was asked the question if the man looked like a tourist.

Is there a tanscript?? Ive seen others online, but not one for the smiths??...You are insinuation the police almost 'fed' information to obtain answers...this would not be usual..it would be seen as the witness being 'influenced' or 'coerced'...usually the only prompting would be the showing of an ID photo..and certainly no names mentioned

No one is insinuating anything.  People are making suggestions and airing opinions and views.  We don't know how the Portuguese police work it may be totally different from our system.

thetruthbeknown wrote:I can only guess Smith volunteered the name when showed the photo and said it wasnt Robert, and carried on from there...

tiredofthebs wrote:If Smith was working to a script then why did he say he was pretty sure it was Gerry he saw?

I can't see a McCann script containing that, can you?

Châtelaine wrote:

thetruthbeknown wrote:I can only guess Smith volunteered the name when showed the photo and said it wasnt Robert, and carried on from there...

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Read my post again, quoting from Amaral's book:

-  Back in Ireland, the Smiths watch the news and learn of Jane's statement and the suspicions falling upon Murat.

- The father contacts the Irish police. He tells his story. The man he saw was NOT Murat. He knows Murat and it was not him.

ETA
As for transcript of Mr. Smith's statement in Portimao, follow the link I gave.

Châtelaine wrote:Link is:
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And read this:

"Is saying that after seeing McCANNS on the news on 9th of September when they returned to the U.K. He has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing. He also watched ITV news and SKY news and inferred it looked like the same person both times carrying the children. Is asking a member of the OP Task Force to ring him back. He was with a group of 9 family and friends the night he saw the male in Portugal. He sounded quite shaken and worried whilst speaking to me. "