Re: Alex Woolfall 'knows': 'The Last Photo', and other photos of Madeleine in Praia da Luz

by notlongnow 15.12.13 23:00

The white of the belt makes the little toe look bent.

by Rasputin 15.12.13 23:10

notlongnow wrote:The white of the belt makes the little toe look bent.

I have just added a ' heat map ' effect to the picture , her little toe appears red like the remainder of her foot and the hook is still prominent .

by ultimaThule 15.12.13 23:33

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Is this the photograph bobbin ?
Thank you Rasputin, I think it is. What a tiny little darling she is. I know when a baby is born the first thing that anyone asks is, are there the right number of fingers and toes. Gerry said she was 'almost perfect' which has been a rather strange thing to have said of his new born. Just in order to try to understand that, can anyone do a magnification of the little foot ? I have a strange little toe, as does my niece and I wonder if Madeleine does too.

Press and hold 'control' and click on the + sign on your keyboard until you've reached the desired level of magnification and you'll see that any 'strangeness' about the little toe is an illusion produced by KM's belt.

I'm wondering about the vertical pink/red line by the infant's knee area which, on my monitor, doesn't look to be a shadow produced by the belt on her dress.

In certain photos Madeleine's hands/wrists look swollen which can be a sign of juvenile arthritis and may explain the awkward positioning of her foot in the 'birthday cake' shot. I find it curious there's a McCann related forum which goes by the name of Jatyk2 when a deficency of JAK Tyk2 can cause autoimmune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis.

by Guest 15.12.13 23:43

I'm sure that the name of Bonnybraes' cesspit JATYK2 is a coincidence. It stands for Just A Thought You Know. The 2 was added when she set up a new site after the first one JATYK was banned.

by Rasputin 15.12.13 23:55

I read on a thread lastnight of the numbers 5.3.2.1 ...its more than likely nothing but a quick search took me to this site. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] its far too complicated for me , but it would seem 5321 is the id of a gene ...cloning is also mentioned perhaps someone with some medical knowledge could take a peek ?..I have to agree with the images we see of Madeleine on the pamalam site the photos we see of her have her left hand cropped out , it would also appear she holds her arm as if protecting it ....Ultimate Thurl. I have to disagree , I believe her little toe is crooked ...goodnight all .

by ultimaThule 16.12.13 0:19

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I'm sure that the name of Bonnybraes' cesspit JATYK2 is a coincidence. It stands for Just A Thought You Know. The 2 was added when she set up a new site after the first one JATYK was banned.

I'm sure you're right but it's remarkable that it's just one letter out. Is the bonny brae anywhere near Ullapool, the site of one of the many other cesspits that abound in this saga?

by watendlath 16.12.13 5:43

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White hat, pink dress, laughing at someone over her left shoulder...very similar to 'last photo'.

by suep 16.12.13 6:52

Smokeandmirrors wrote:I think it is correct that the medical files were with held and one has to ask, why, if a child has gone missing and the prime objective is the retrieval of a child, any information that the police have asked for is withheld, unless there is something to hide.

April Jones had CP and the parents made that known from the outset. So, if there was a medical condition, would the parents not let that be known to the investigation? And if the medical records are clear of any problems, why would that be a thing to conceal? Even if there was a caveat that it were not to be released to the general public, the refusal of disclosure is puzzling.

Yet another weirdness that doesn't have a logical basis. Perplexing is not the word.

I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a need for a caveat to prevent public disclosure of medical records because they would have to remain confidential, so had they been provided to the police the McCs would have no need to worry about anyone else seeing them. This begs the question of what was in MM's medical records that they didn't want the police to know about?

by aiyoyo 16.12.13 7:06

In that photo, all I noticed is the glass of white wine in her right hand.......

by **tigger** 16.12.13 7:26

aiyoyo wrote:In that photo, all I noticed is the glass of white wine in her right hand.......

First time I've blown that one up. It's Kate's body, Kate's head but not from the same photograph.
Clear and weird blurring on the chin, neck and head not properly merged.
Kate has a very long neck, but almost as wide as her face. Only sideways does the neck look slender.
The hairdo isidentical to the one with Gerry, where he is pasted in complete with a picture on the wall behind him.
So two 'arranged' family/new mum pictures. The difference between the family baby and this one is another story again.

by Guest 16.12.13 7:32

In the photo the belt from the dress seems to have been placed over the infants left hand, but then it could have blown there!

snipped from :ultimaThule's post:

I'm wondering about the vertical pink/red line by the infant's knee area which, on my monitor, doesn't look to be a shadow produced by the belt on her dress.

Agree about her left knee, when I zoomed in I thought the left knee looked swollen.

Not to go of topic but -

Rasputin, when I saw the numbers 5 3 2 1, I thought could that be the Luz key? The numbers are there just in a different order

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by suep 16.12.13 7:59

Rasputin wrote:I read on a thread last night of the numbers 5.3.2.1 ...its more than likely nothing but a quick search took me to this site. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] its far too complicated for me , but it would seem 5321 is the id of a gene ...cloning is also mentioned perhaps someone with some medical knowledge could take a peek ?..I have to agree with the images we see of Madeleine on the pamalam site the photos we see of her have her left hand cropped out , it would also appear she holds her arm as if protecting it ....Ultimate Thurl. I have to disagree , I believe her little toe is crooked ...goodnight all .

I had a look at the link you provided, Rasputin, and got a 'page not found' message but since there was a search box on there I entered the numbers and got the page I presume you're referring to. Unfortunately its way way beyond my tiny knowledge of genetics for me to be able to figure out!
However, I have found two medical research papers which say that IVF children have an increased risk of cerebral palsy. Both papers report on research done in Sweden and one, published in the Lancet in 2002 is also claiming that there is a four fold greater risk of 'suspected developmental delay' in IVF children compared to children conceived normally.

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by Guest 16.12.13 8:11

tigger wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:In that photo, all I noticed is the glass of white wine in her right hand.......

First time I've blown that one up. It's Kate's body, Kate's head but not from the same photograph.
Clear and weird blurring on the chin, neck and head not properly merged.
Kate has a very long neck, but almost as wide as her face. Only sideways does the neck look slender.
The hairdo isidentical to the one with Gerry, where he is pasted in complete with a picture on the wall behind him.
So two 'arranged' family/new mum pictures. The difference between the family baby and this one is another story again.

Kate's right arm looks a bit odd in that too. Not photmanip'd, just a bit.... odd.

Is there a larger version of the "school photo" style one of the three children that sits in Kate's office? (picture posted here the other day).

by canada12 16.12.13 8:31

Quite a few photos on this page where you can see Madeleine's left hand...
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Hope the link works. You can see that her middle finger is incredibly long, and her pointer finger and little finger seem foreshortened. I'm not sure that this means anything at all, but it is interesting.

by Guest 16.12.13 12:12

canada12 wrote:Quite a few photos on this page where you can see Madeleine's left hand...
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Edited to add another picture:
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Hope the link works. You can see that her middle finger is incredibly long, and her pointer finger and little finger seem foreshortened. I'm not sure that this means anything at all, but it is interesting.

Thanks for links canada12m, I see what you mean about her fingers, there does seem a problem with her left hand, .

GM, "almost perfectly formed" Were they ashamed of Madeleine? Is that why they turned her into a perfect photogenic child?

by Guest 16.12.13 12:35

Cherry Blossom wrote:.

GM, "almost perfectly formed" Were they ashamed of Madeleine? Is that why they turned her into a perfect photogenic child?

I can barely believe that he actually said that, even though I heard it with my own ears. You'd think he would be especially careful as he must know that the likes of us are poring over his every utterance!

by Guest 16.12.13 13:04

Suep, I too have read about the increased risk of cerebral palsy. There is also an increased risk when the child is a surviving twin.

by Mirage 16.12.13 13:18

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:.

GM, "almost perfectly formed" Were they ashamed of Madeleine? Is that why they turned her into a perfect photogenic child?

I can barely believe that he actually said that, even though I heard it with my own ears. You'd think he would be especially careful as he must know that the likes of us are poring over his every utterance!

But then there are so many things GM has said/done that are every bit as, if not more, astounding. Eg, the following:

The good marketing ploy.
The losing of MM like finding yourself overdrawn on your student account.
The hoping for the best possible outcome for us, and Madeleine.
The sensing of someone in the apartment that night but leaving the children anyway.
Sucking a lolly and watching football while waiting for news of MM.
The Wider Agenda power point presentation.
The joking about on the balcony.
The jogging and tennis matches after MM disappeared.
The suppressed laughter when asked about emotional reaction to sightings.
The permanent smirking.
Ask the dogs Sandra.
The ripping off of microphone when challenged about the dogs' findings. (Justine McGuinness in background saying "Stick to the official line Gerry incidentally)
Confusion is good
Accusing the press of endangering MM without seeing the hopeless irony.
Telling Mrs Fenn a small girl had been abducted.

The list is endless.

These remarks/behaviour only make sense within a particular context.
IMO a perfectly diagnosable condition could be the gateway to solving this case if someone somewhere decided to grow some.

by aiyoyo 16.12.13 13:24

"Almost perfectly formed" and refusal of Medical Records = ?

There is no reason why records couldn't be provided for investigators unless the records were not almost normal and for unknown reason preferred not to be revealed.

Even hypothetically speaking say Madeleine suffers a condition what is wrong the records to Police? How can there be a valid reason for hindering investigation?

One imagines the marketing of a almost perfectly formed chid is not the same as marketing a perfect blond photogenic child.
The former does not have the same pulling and selling factor as the other.

by sallypelt 16.12.13 13:40

aiyoyo wrote:"Almost perfectly formed" and refusal of Medical Records = ?

There is no reason why records couldn't be provided for investigators unless the records were not almost normal and for unknown reason preferred not to be revealed.

Even hypothetically speaking say Madeleine suffers a condition what is wrong the records to Police? How can there be a valid reason for hindering investigation?

One imagines the marketing of a almost perfectly formed chid is not the same as marketing a perfect blond photogenic child.
The former does not have the same pulling and selling factor as the other.

Well, we know that there was one part of Madeleine's anatomy that WAS perfect, as Kate pointed out in her book.

by aiyoyo 16.12.13 14:20

Seems Gerry & Kate are obssessed with her perfection, or her lack of maybe in certain area physically, that they both separately talked of it.

by aiyoyo 16.12.13 14:24

tigger wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:In that photo, all I noticed is the glass of white wine in her right hand.......

First time I've blown that one up. It's Kate's body, Kate's head but not from the same photograph.
Clear and weird blurring on the chin, neck and head not properly merged.
Kate has a very long neck, but almost as wide as her face. Only sideways does the neck look slender.
The hairdo isidentical to the one with Gerry, where he is pasted in complete with a picture on the wall behind him.
So two 'arranged' family/new mum pictures. The difference between the family baby and this one is another story again.

Actually, you're right - her neck does appear masculine in that photo, almost as if she's a transvestite

by suep 16.12.13 15:48

Ladyinred wrote:Suep, I too have read about the increased risk of cerebral palsy. There is also an increased risk when the child is a surviving twin.

Yes, that thought crossed my mind too.

by bobbin 16.12.13 22:22

suep wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:Suep, I too have read about the increased risk of cerebral palsy. There is also an increased risk when the child is a surviving twin.

Yes, that thought crossed my mind too.

Very, very rarely IVF can result in two implanted embryos combining to make one person instead of the intended two, and if they were a male and female zygote, then the markers would show both XX and XY chromosomes. At one stage there was some confusion over Maddie's blood, some mention of it seeming to be as if from 3 people, or words to that effect. It seems strange that Maddie was not one of two implantations as were her subsequent siblings. With medical records withheld, the police cannot know enough to be able to ascertain the essential facts.
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by Hicks 16.12.13 22:43

Are there any photos of Kate during her pregnancy with Madeleine, or the twins?

I have pondered on the fact that Kate could have used a surrogate mother. Could this be the reason Kate's medical records were denied to the PJ? I would imagine -though I don't know the legality- that such an arrangement would remain secret should they so wish.

It would also explain Kate's behaviour. There is a real lack of emotion when talking or recalling stories about Madeleine. As we have all witnessed there are many examples but this little gem I find incredulous. During Crimewatch the MC'S were asked if there was a Madeleine shaped hole in their lives, the reply? Kate missed her on special occasions!

I am convinced that Madeleine sadly died in the apartment that night due to neglect. It is my opinion that the neglect came about due to the rather poor relationship between M and her parents... for what ever reason.

by Guest 16.12.13 23:01

I'm looking for the quote where Kate said [non verbatim]: the day Madeleine came home to us.
It makes me wonder if she might have been a premature baby in incubator.

Just a thought ...

by Daisy 16.12.13 23:17

Hicks wrote:Are there any photos of Kate during her pregnancy with Madeleine, or the twins?

I have pondered on the fact that Kate could have used a surrogate mother. Could this be the reason Kate's medical records were denied to the PJ? I would imagine -though I don't know the legality- that such an arrangement would remain secret should they so wish.
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I've never seen a photo of a pregnant Kate. Of course that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. I just think they've lost out on a good marketing ploy by not using said photos if they do exist.

by suep 17.12.13 7:31

Châtelaine wrote:I'm looking for the quote where Kate said [non verbatim]: the day Madeleine came home to us.
It makes me wonder if she might have been a premature baby in incubator.

Just a thought ...

I too was struck by a similar (possibly the same) quote. I thought it sounded very strange. As I remember it she said something like 'the day Madeleine came from the hospital to our house'. It sounded like she'd been delivered by post or walked there on her own! Surely you'd expect someone talking about this scenario to say 'the day we brought Madeleine home from the hospital' ? It made me wonder too that a surrogate mother may have been used.

by Guest 17.12.13 8:28

suep wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:I'm looking for the quote where Kate said [non verbatim]: the day Madeleine came home to us.
It makes me wonder if she might have been a premature baby in incubator.

Just a thought ...

I too was struck by a similar (possibly the same) quote. I thought it sounded very strange. As I remember it she said something like 'the day Madeleine came from the hospital to our house'. It sounded like she'd been delivered by post or walked there on her own! Surely you'd expect someone talking about this scenario to say 'the day we brought Madeleine home from the hospital' ? It made me wonder too that a surrogate mother may have been used.

If this was the case, what was the source of the heel prick card? When you start to ask questions like this you do start to wonder if the entire plan was conceived even before Madeleine was.

Yes, I am that cynical.

by bobbin 17.12.13 8:38

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
suep wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:I'm looking for the quote where Kate said [non verbatim]: the day Madeleine came home to us.
It makes me wonder if she might have been a premature baby in incubator.

Just a thought ...

I too was struck by a similar (possibly the same) quote. I thought it sounded very strange. As I remember it she said something like 'the day Madeleine came from the hospital to our house'. It sounded like she'd been delivered by post or walked there on her own! Surely you'd expect someone talking about this scenario to say 'the day we brought Madeleine home from the hospital' ? It made me wonder too that a surrogate mother may have been used.

If this was the case, what was the source of the heel prick card? When you start to ask questions like this you do start to wonder if the entire plan was conceived even before Madeleine was.

Yes, I am that cynical.

Given that there is no explanation for anything to date and all possibilities need to be put into the boiling pot to find the one truthful ingredient, how do the dates correspond for Oisin McCann's birth. Musing about surrogate, missing twin embryo....???

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