Maddie: PJ already has letters rogatory and prepares steps (google translate)

by Guest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 5:12 pm

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Maddie: PJ already has letters rogatory and prepares steps

Inspectors will not be the same as investigating the disappearance

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The Judicial Police is already in possession of the letter rogatory from the Madeleine McCann case, the missing child in the Algarve in 2007. This is a list of steps that will be made at the request of the British police, who declined to be interviewed more than 30 witnesses, that have already been heard by the PJ. However, British researchers consider that there were questions that remained to be done and clues that were not exploited until exhaustion.
A letter rogatory is extensive and will be enforced by the Board of the South in Faro. Any displacement of a delegation of British police in the Algarve is not yet certain and will be articulated with the prosecution, but it is certain that, once in the country, they can not be to perform the steps. Can only watch what the Portuguese police do. inspectors that will give effect to the letters rogatory will not be the same as investigating the disappearance. The team is already established, only not yet know when will start the steps.

The PGR has secured more than once, that there is no evidence to justify the reopening of the investigation, filed in 2008, one year after the disappearance.

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by suzyjohnson Fri 23 Aug 2013, 5:41 pm

'However, British researchers consider that there were questions that remained to be done and clues that were not exploited until exhaustion'.

It's just incredible really. Are the PJ not entitled to say exactly the same thing in respect of the British police, and witnesses in the Uk?

by **PeterMac** Fri 23 Aug 2013, 5:54 pm

suzyjohnson wrote:However, British researchers consider that there were questions that remained to be done and clues that were not exploited until exhaustion'.

Exactly so
These are TIE
Trace, Interview ELIMINATE, that are not quite up to standard. Nothing more. The sort of thing the DI would hand you back and tell you to do again, take another statement covering the half hour before or after.
Not a single suspect to be seen.
Are they in fact cutting off any line of defence. All alibis checked and destroyed, all "sightings" investigated and ruled out.
Everything else ruled out so that
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

by sweetex Fri 23 Aug 2013, 7:20 pm

PeterMac wrote:
suzyjohnson wrote:However, British researchers consider that there were questions that remained to be done and clues that were not exploited until exhaustion'.
Exactly so
These are TIE
Trace, Interview ELIMINATE, that are not quite up to standard. Nothing more. The sort of thing the DI would hand you back and tell you to do again, take another statement covering the half hour before or after.
Not a single suspect to be seen.
Are they in fact cutting off any line of defence. All alibis checked and destroyed, all "sightings" investigated and ruled out.
Everything else ruled out so that
when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

Love that last line, and I agree PeterMac, they have to go through the process of elimination!

by aiyoyo Fri 23 Aug 2013, 7:24 pm

Bad Google translation, but it did say 30 suspects covered in the Rog Letter to be interviewed.

Take that away from 38........how to arrive at the 12 Britons the Yard mentioned ? Mind boggling but agree with PM's last sentence.

by jeanmonroe Fri 23 Aug 2013, 7:49 pm

Oh how we long for a return to those balmy halcyon days when Kate carried cuddle cat everywhere and wore those special ribbons in her hair.
Oh yeah, i did notice there were no twins in sight for their 'walk' for the cameras!

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by lj Fri 23 Aug 2013, 8:18 pm

jeanmonroe wrote:Oh how we long for a return to those balmy halcyon days when Kate carried cuddle cat everywhere and wore those special ribbons in her hair.
Oh yeah, i did notice there were no twins in sight for their 'walk' for the cameras!

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Jean, I love your cynical humor!

by Guest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 8:24 pm

A reminder of those halcyon days with Cuddle Cat!

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The ones where the twins were paraded ostentatiously with multiple Cuddle Cats make me :puke:

by aiyoyo Fri 23 Aug 2013, 8:38 pm

The PGR has secured more than once, that there is no evidence to justify the reopening of the investigation, filed in 2008, one year after the disappearance.

This bit is not too promising. Is PGR skeptical that the additional interviews by Yard will lead nowhere ?

by Guest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 9:01 pm

I remain convinced that indeed the only way to solve this "mystery" is to eliminate ALL other lines of possibilities.
And I remain hopeful that one day the mystery will be solved and the culprits be brought to justice. Amen.

by Seek truth Fri 23 Aug 2013, 9:11 pm

Châtelaine wrote:I remain convinced that indeed the only way to solve this "mystery" is to eliminate ALL other lines of possibilities.
And I remain hopeful that one day the mystery will be solved and the culprits be brought to justice. Amen.

AMEN

by marconi Fri 23 Aug 2013, 9:55 pm

Some or most of those 12 Britons could be living in Algarve. We have to wait. The PGR will not reopen the investigation because they don't have new evidence.
But the Yard will have it: 15.135 DNA marks are enough for the Met, cadaver scent too. I believe that England will do the trial in case the perpetrators are British.
Portugal suffered so much injustice during the Salazar regime that they now demand 100% concrete proof in every criminal case.
Repeating what Redwood said: they spoke to witnesses (not to new witnesses) that provided new evidence.
And that was the reason that it became an investigation.
According to myself, he was reffering to some of the Tapas 7 if not to all of them.
The answer to the crime is in Algarve. Possibly a Briton in Algarve helped hiding the body and Tapas 7 told it to the Yard.

The PJ, the Met and the PGR know what they are doing. And I even believe that there was an agreement among them before the review started. They all( also including Cameron and Theresa May) knew that Madeleine was dead and the Met want to prove it too.
And the trial will be in England where everybody speeks English. No simultaneous translations. Nothing "lost in translation" like Mitchell used to say.

The Yard is already very far in cleaning the road.

Let us trust them and Portugal.

by Beanie Fri 23 Aug 2013, 10:10 pm

Marconi quote:

They all( also including Cameron and Theresa May) knew that Madeleine was dead and the Met want to prove it too.

I would love to think that you are right, but Clarence Mitchell is the Conservative candidate for Brighton so I won't hold my breath.

by Guest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 10:22 pm

Beanie wrote:

I would love to think that you are right, but Clarence Mitchell is the Conservative candidate for Brighton so I won't hold my breath.

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Why?
According to what I've read so far, he's not exactly the ideal candidate ...

by Beanie Fri 23 Aug 2013, 10:42 pm

Châtelaine wrote:
Beanie wrote:

I would love to think that you are right, but Clarence Mitchell is the Conservative candidate for Brighton so I won't hold my breath.
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Why?
According to what I've read so far, he's not exactly the ideal candidate ...

No he is not in any way an ideal candidate, but he is too close to Cameron for my liking.

by marconi Sat 24 Aug 2013, 12:08 am

Beanie wrote:

No he is not in any way an ideal candidate, but he is too close to Cameron for my liking.

yes, he is too close to Cameron for everybody's liking. But if Mitchell becomes a politician, the McCanns will be a pain in his a..., something that he will experience for the first time.

by marconi Sat 24 Aug 2013, 6:04 am

I have difficulties to believe that things have already gone that far. More than 6 years and finally we are approaching the breakthrough. There were moments in the past when I nearly gave up this case.
This is not a regular case to the authorities. Most of the preparation is already ready and they don't have to start from zero like in other crimes.
I can't think of the terrible amount of work for the public prosecuter.
And I feel sorry for the Tapas 8's lawyers who will make their defence. Especially for the McCanns'lawyers.

by **PeterMac** Sat 24 Aug 2013, 7:36 am

marconi wrote:
And I feel sorry for the Tapas 8's lawyers who will make their defence. Especially for the McCanns'lawyers.

Don't ever feel sorry for lawyers. They are paid whatever the verdict.
Always remember that in their profession they are right 50% of the time and wrong the other 50%.
Try applying that to the medical profession !
Or architects !

by Praiaaa Sat 24 Aug 2013, 8:26 am

[quote="PeterMac"]

marconi wrote:
Don't ever feel sorry for lawyers. They are paid whatever the verdict.
Always remember that in their profession they are right 50% of the time and wrong the other 50%.
Try applying that to the medical profession !
Or architects !

indeed!

by Karen Pinto Sat 24 Aug 2013, 8:34 am

Thank you Candyfloss - have popped this over to Missing Madeleine forum.

by marconi Sat 24 Aug 2013, 9:07 am

The PJ seem to be ready to receive the Yard detectives. If it was a case of white wash they would not help the Yard at all because they have their own conclusion about what happened to Madeleine and they are not intending to change their mind.

a) Madeleine died in the apartment
b) the parents are responsible for the concealing of the corpse
c) an abduction wa staged.

There is the light at the end of the tunnel. A very bright one.

I still wonder why Mrs Hubbard came all the way from Canada to meet Kate in Luz. A trip from Canada to England would have been shorter and cheaper. At that moment the McCanns must have known that the review was about to become an investigation.

I remember an article where Amaral said : "the Anglican priest staged everything".
Could it be true?

by Guest Sat 24 Aug 2013, 9:20 am

marconi wrote:The PJ seem to be ready to receive the Yard detectives. If it was a case of white wash they would not help the Yard at all because they have their own conclusion about what happened to Madeleine and they are not intending to change their mind.

Marconi, you've said this a few times and it puzzles me because if what you're saying is true why did they bow to pressure from UK and remove Amaral from the case? Amaral says it was a political case, not a police one. Surely the same politics exist?

by marconi Sat 24 Aug 2013, 9:37 am

Finn wrote:
marconi wrote:The PJ seem to be ready to receive the Yard detectives. If it was a case of white wash they would not help the Yard at all because they have their own conclusion about what happened to Madeleine and they are not intending to change their mind.
Marconi, you've said this a few times and it puzzles me because if what you're saying is true why did they bow to pressure from UK and remove Amaral from the case? Amaral says it was a political case, not a police one. Surely the same politics exist?

Once I read an article where a journalist, former employé to News of the World, that that paper put Blair and Brown under pressure to help the McCanns otherwise Brown would not become prime minister. N o t W would turn against him. It was a golden time for the media.
Two years ago Brooks put pressure on Cameron, to involve the Yard in the case. The next golden time is coming.

England put pressure on the Portuguese governent and Amaral was dismissed.

Of course the PJ are not intending to change their conclusion. And now they have the chance to show they are right.

by Monty Heck Sat 24 Aug 2013, 10:25 am

marconi wrote:The PJ seem to be ready to receive the Yard detectives. If it was a case of white wash they would not help the Yard at all because they have their own conclusion about what happened to Madeleine and they are not intending to change their mind.

a) Madeleine died in the apartment
b) the parents are responsible for the concealing of the corpse
c) an abduction wa staged.

There is the light at the end of the tunnel. A very bright one.

I still wonder why Mrs Hubbard came all the way from Canada to meet Kate in Luz. A trip from Canada to England would have been shorter and cheaper. At that moment the McCanns must have known that the review was about to become an investigation.

I remember an article where Amaral said : "the Anglican priest staged everything".
Could it be true?

I think what Father H helped 'stage' was the sanctification of the McCs, by providing an array of opportunities for image cleansing. St Vincents PDL became the hub of the McCs campaign activity, Nossa Senhora da Luz a powerful symbol of their (apparently) devout faith. Father H led the weekly candlelit vigils which continued for years after the McCs fled, other special services, displayed Ms picture as if some religious icon and spoke with the press on many occasions in their support. His friendship with the couple was public and visible, not a personal, private matter and he remained onside despite the misgivings of some church members in this regard. If the McCs were aware of these difficulties they remained unruffled and continued their courtship regardless. Mrs H seems to believe that God had sent her to Portugal to help the McCs and remains a most enthusiastic and unquestioning supporter to this day. It's not very ikely the McCs and the Hs would have struck up a friendship in any other circumstances and though they may indeed have got on well together, it seems the Hs were to all intents thoroughly exploited for the good of 'the campaign'. If they had not been of such use to the McCs it seems unlikely the connection would have been pursued by them as they did not take up with any Tom, Dick or Harry.

by marconi Sat 24 Aug 2013, 10:27 am

marconi wrote:
Finn wrote:
marconi wrote:The PJ seem to be ready to receive the Yard detectives. If it was a case of white wash they would not help the Yard at all because they have their own conclusion about what happened to Madeleine and they are not intending to change their mind.
Marconi, you've said this a few times and it puzzles me because if what you're saying is true why did they bow to pressure from UK and remove Amaral from the case? Amaral says it was a political case, not a police one. Surely the same politics exist?
Once I read an article where a journalist, former employé to News of the World, that that paper put Blair and Brown under pressure to help the McCanns otherwise Brown would not become prime minister. N o t W would turn against him. It was a golden time for the media.
Two years ago Brooks put pressure on Cameron, to involve the Yard in the case. The next golden time is coming.

England put pressure on the Portuguese governent and Amaral was dismissed.

Of course the PJ are not intending to change their conclusion. And now they have the chance to show they are right.

And Finn, don't forget that the media can control a country.In a democracy they can be more powerful than the government. Do you believe that Brooks payed 500.000 pounds to Kate, for 6 or 7 little parts of her book, only because or her beautiful eyes? Absurd amount of money? No, the plan was to get the money back through the participation of the Yard in the case. By chance it is a conservative government but it has nothing to do with that political party or any other party.In 2007 it was Labour, now the Conservatives.It has to do with blackmail, imo, supporting or not the actual government, whoever they are.
Selling papers, that was the goal, after Kate's book exhausted the issue.People are again interested in the case.

by jeanmonroe Sat 24 Aug 2013, 10:57 am

And also very strange that a picture of Madeleine is now placed almost 'out of sight' in the PDL church.
And also, WHY did the Vatican remove ALL references to the McCanns (and Madeleine) very swiftly after the McCanns 'visit' to Rome?

by whmon Sat 24 Aug 2013, 11:07 am

jeanmonroe wrote:And also very strange that a picture of Madeleine is now placed almost 'out of sight' in the PDL church.
And also, WHY did the Vatican remove ALL references to the McCanns (and Madeleine) very swiftly after the McCanns 'visit' to Rome?

I wonder if the priest who took confession confided in his superior about it, and the content of the confession went further up the ranks?

by **Tony Bennett** Sat 24 Aug 2013, 11:16 am

jeanmonroe wrote:And also very strange that a picture of Madeleine is now placed almost 'out of sight' in the PDL church.
And also, WHY did the Vatican remove ALL references to the McCanns (and Madeleine) very swiftly after the McCanns 'visit' to Rome?

CORRECTION: The Vatican website 'whooshed' the appeal to find Madeleine McCann from their website approximately 36 to 48 hours before Dr Goncalo Amaral pulled the McCanns in for questioning - the Vatican did this late on the evening of 5 September 2007 IIRC

by jeanmonroe Sat 24 Aug 2013, 11:21 am

The devout Catholic McCanns must be PRAYING like mad, that the new Pope, Francis, dosen't instigate a re-investigation of the case by the Catholic church.
Possibly trying to 'hoodwink' a previous Pope wouldn't , i imagine, 'go down to well' would it?
Didn't the priest in PDL, at the time, say something like he felt he had been 'deceived/hoodwinked' by the McCanns?

by jeanmonroe Sat 24 Aug 2013, 11:29 am

Tony Bennett wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:And also very strange that a picture of Madeleine is now placed almost 'out of sight' in the PDL church.
And also, WHY did the Vatican remove ALL references to the McCanns (and Madeleine) very swiftly after the McCanns 'visit' to Rome?
CORRECTION: The Vatican website 'whooshed' the appeal to find Madeleine McCann from their website approximately 36 to 48 hours before Dr Goncalo Amaral pulled the McCanns in for questioning - the Vatican did this late on the evening of 5 September 2007 IIRC

Thankyou Tony.
But 'swiftly' in this mysterious case is relative! LOL.
3 months to 'remove' references
6 YEARS, and counting, to 'solve' the mystery of the disappearance of a child.

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