Re: The Mark Williams-Thomas thread

[whmon]

Chris Retro, do you know MWT personally? - I get the feeling you do.

[aiyoyo]

And Matters2Me has a website: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

They sold a DVD that was so hugely popular that it's now sold out. But don't fret, it's still available to watch online for only £7.75:

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 Wonder how much of that is donated to some kind of charity to protect children

None of the title is about how to keep children safe against predator/paedophile.
I notice one of the titles is *grooming*..........hmm..............?

[tigger]

I meant that information gets buried in another topic and is hard to retrieve.  

Here is imo a useful snippet from the other MWT topic.


Mark Williams-Thomas started a company W.T. ASSOCIATES LTD.on the [b style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; "]10th June 2007[/b]

as well as another company MATTERS2ME LIMITED - which was also started on the same date. 

Mr. Mark Williams Thomas and Mrs. Karen Williams-Thomas are both listed as directors of both firms.

[Nereid]

I meant that information gets buried in another topic and is hard to retrieve.  

Here is imo a useful snippet from the other MWT topic.


Mark Williams-Thomas started a company W.T. ASSOCIATES LTD.on the [b style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"]10th June 2007[/b]

as well as another company MATTERS2ME LIMITED - which was also started on the same date. 

Mr. Mark Williams Thomas and Mrs. Karen Williams-Thomas are both listed as directors of both firms.

 Loopzdaloop already posted this info and much much more on page 5 of this thread.

[aiyoyo]

 Flickyhecky.
 
I remember the case of Adrian Stark. I'm sure that the story would have made the papers without the alleged intervention of MWT so I don't feel that he is responsible for hounding this man to his death.
 
I certainly agree with you though that his current motives and behaviour are very questionable.

It is besides the point whether the story would eventually make it to the press.

If the allegation is true, then the fact that MWT decides to sell the story to the paper shows him to be a money-grabbing scumbag who would do anything for a few quick buck.  And, he was still a constable then - that's the last thing one expects a copper to do.

[tigger]

I meant that information gets buried in another topic and is hard to retrieve.  

Here is imo a useful snippet from the other MWT topic.


Mark Williams-Thomas started a company W.T. ASSOCIATES LTD.on the [b style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"]10th June 2007[/b]

as well as another company MATTERS2ME LIMITED - which was also started on the same date. 

Mr. Mark Williams Thomas and Mrs. Karen Williams-Thomas are both listed as directors of both firms.

 Loopzdaloop already posted this info and much much more on page 5 of this thread.

I know - I re-posted this 'bullet' because the timing  and the fact that both companies were set up on the same day  just a month after 3/5 is an important fact in considering MWT's  role.

[jozi]

I meant that information gets buried in another topic and is hard to retrieve.  

Here is imo a useful snippet from the other MWT topic.


Mark Williams-Thomas started a company W.T. ASSOCIATES LTD.on the [b style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; "]10th June 2007[/b]

as well as another company MATTERS2ME LIMITED - which was also started on the same date. 

Mr. Mark Williams Thomas and Mrs. Karen Williams-Thomas are both listed as directors of both firms.

Interesting tigger, wonder if / when they got the contract to speak on behalf of the Mcs ? Now were these companies set up to cater initially for the Mcs abduction, being started on the 10th June 2007 and bringing with it a celebrity status for the company and a ex policeman fame and recognition ?
Pity we cant find out who were the client list when the company first took off

[Nereid]

I meant that information gets buried in another topic and is hard to retrieve.  

Here is imo a useful snippet from the other MWT topic.


Mark Williams-Thomas started a company W.T. ASSOCIATES LTD.on the [b style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"]10th June 2007[/b]

as well as another company MATTERS2ME LIMITED - which was also started on the same date. 

Mr. Mark Williams Thomas and Mrs. Karen Williams-Thomas are both listed as directors of both firms.

 Loopzdaloop already posted this info and much much more on page 5 of this thread.

I know - I re-posted this 'bullet' because the timing  and the fact that both companies were set up on the same day  just a month after 3/5 is an important fact in considering MWT's  role.

It is indeed. Such timing!

From what  I understand it was first set up as Matters2Me Ltd, and then the name was changed to WT Associates Ltd. on 13 October 2010. I wonder why. And of course they're still also using Matters2Me for their website.

Mark Williams-Thomas was an authority on chewing gum removal in a previous life. A huge leap form Chewing Gum removal to Child Protection.

"Mark Williams-Thomas from GumFighters said: “We are pleased to be working to create a cleaner and healthier environment for those living and working in the borough of Wandsworth and visitors. However it is very important that people realise the damage caused by discarded gum and dispose of it correctly.” [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

[Tony Bennett]

 Loopzdaloop already posted this info and much much more on page 5 of this thread.

I know - I re-posted this 'bullet' because the timing and the fact that both companies were set up on the same day just a month after 3/5 is an important fact in considering MWT's role.

Another point to establish is just when, and by whom, and for what reason, Mark Williams-Thomas was first appointed by SKY News (Murdoch-owned) to comment on cases of child sexual abuse and paedophilia etc. I assume that SKY News paid for him to go out to Praia da Luz immediately after the reported disappearance of Madeleine McCann, hence his interview to camera on 10 May 2007 when he presumed to give advice to the Portuguese Police. Did he get paid by SKY News per assignment, or was he on some sort of long-term contract with them?

[Tony Bennett]

Mark Williams-Thomas was an authority on chewing gum removal in a previous life..."Mark Williams-Thomas from GumFighters said: “We are pleased to be working to create a cleaner and healthier environment.."

Mark Williams Thomas wanted more -
So a rise to the top was in store
From a humble DC
To docs on TV
The former gum expert's hard to ignore!

[Guest]

From being an expert on getting gum off shoes, he became a gumshoe (slang name for a detective or investigator).

Well done that man!

[sallypelt]

For what it's worth, his full name is Mark Alan Williams-Thomas, born in Cambridge in 1970

[windchime]

So this character turns up within a month of MBMs disappearance - correct?

When did he leave PDL and why?

Does anyone know if he or his wife have any links (however coincidental - as this case seems to hinge on coincidence) to any of the McCanns, family, tapas friends, either through work, living within 10 miles of one of them, having gone to university with one of them, etc.?

The biggest thing that really stands out to me when I read through both of these threads regarding this person, is his complete dismissal of the Gaspar statement (seems everyone wants to dismiss this statement) - now why would he do that and it makes me want to ask - does/did he know the same person the social worker knew she recognised??

Also in his first findings regarding MBMs disappearance he tells us that the PJ are only following 2 lines of enquiry into MBMs disappearance that of K & G being involved or a stranger having abducted her yet he makes NO mention whatsoever of Murat - again why not?

When you read his 'articles' it makes me feel like he is deliberately not mentioning certain people and important facts and is attempting to 'sway' the reader into believing his article as though it were written by a senior Police Officer/Criminologist who has inside information.  Just how many people have read these and believed what he has to say?

[sallypelt]

So this character turns up within a month of MBMs disappearance - correct?

When did he leave PDL and why?

Does anyone know if he or his wife have any links (however coincidental - as this case seems to hinge on coincidence) to any of the McCanns, family, tapas friends, either through work, living within 10 miles of one of them, having gone to university with one of them, etc.?

The biggest thing that really stands out to me when I read through both of these threads regarding this person, is his complete dismissal of the Gaspar statement (seems everyone wants to dismiss this statement) - now why would he do that and it makes me want to ask - does/did he know the same person the social worker knew she recognised??

Also in his first findings regarding MBMs disappearance he tells us that the PJ are only following 2 lines of enquiry into MBMs disappearance that of K & G being involved or a stranger having abducted her yet he makes NO mention whatsoever of Murat - again why not?

When you read his 'articles' it makes me feel like he is deliberately not mentioning certain people and important facts and is attempting to 'sway' the reader into believing his article as though it were written by a senior Police Officer/Criminologist who has inside information.  Just how many people have read these and believed what he has to say?

Mark Williams-Thomas, a former policeman and managing director of WT Associates, a PR company specialized in child protection....., urged Portuguese police to ditch the case against the McCann – a case that he classified as “ludicrous” - and follow another lead that he thinks could take PJ to the real kidnapper.

MWT was already in Portugal by the 10th May 2007, and according to this Youtube video, has been there for "a few days"
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[ChrisRetro]

Chris Retro, do you know MWT personally? - I get the feeling you do.

No - I'm not from that neck of the woods and have never encountered Tosspot other than via his beloved media. The info on his new house? He treats Twitter as his own personal fan site, and loves to show his "fans" photographs of kittens, treehouses etc; so it is easy to glean such information from there. 

There really is no need to read anything into my contribution to this thread other than what I have posted.
The soon-to-be Doctor Williams-Thomas is a media charlatan in all of his "projects", his Twitter followers consist predominantly of  commercial accounts ('followers' that can be purchased as a package if you want to appear 'important' or popular), people in the media he is desperate to ingratiate himself with to further his cause (the cause of Mark Alan Williams-Thomas and WT Associates no less) and a handful of idiots he has convinced of his saintliness.

[jozi]

 Loopzdaloop already posted this info and much much more on page 5 of this thread.

I know - I re-posted this 'bullet' because the timing and the fact that both companies were set up on the same day just a month after 3/5 is an important fact in considering MWT's role.

 Another point to establish is just when, and by whom, and for what reason, Mark Williams-Thomas was first appointed by SKY News (Murdoch-owned) to comment on cases of child sexual abuse and paedophilia etc. I assume that SKY Neiws paid for him to go out to Praia da Luz immediately after the reported disappearance of Madeleine McCann, hence his interview to camera on 10 May 2007 when he presumed to give advice to the Portuguese Police. Did he get paid by SKY News per assignment, or was he on some sort of long-term contract with them?

Murdoch keeps on popping up a lot in this case? Sky News ( owned by Murdoch ) Sky News were they not first to broadcast that Maddie was missing ? Also they sent MWT over to Portugal to comment and give his expert opinion on the case and what the Portuguese Police should and should not be doing ? He had only just set up the companies, so how does this make him a expert !!!

[Nereid]

On his linkedin account he makes it look as if WT Associates was set up in 2005.

"In 2005 I set up WT Associates, an independent Child Protection & Risk Management Consultancy which work very closely with local authorities, sports governing bodies and commercial organisations, providing specialist advice and support. WT Associates was appointed Child Protection Consultants for Team GB at the Olympic Games in Beijing and has also completed a significant review of past cases for the Church of England. "

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Typo, or does he want people to believe it was set up before June 2007?

[Guest]

I think this has been raised before. The situation could have been that until 2007 the company was "MWT trading as WT Associates" and thereafter it was incorporated as a limited company.

[littlepixie]

He blocked me as well when I commented on why and in what capacity was he watching hours of child abuse images.

[tigger]

On his linkedin account he makes it look as if WT Associates was set up in 2005.

"In 2005 I set up WT Associates, an independent Child Protection & Risk Management Consultancy which work very closely with local authorities, sports governing bodies and commercial organisations, providing specialist advice and support. WT Associates was appointed Child Protection Consultants for Team GB at the Olympic Games in Beijing and has also completed a significant review of past cases for the Church of England. "

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Typo, or does he want people to believe it was set up before June 2007?

 linked in will print what you give them. Presumably this can also be checked with the Britisg Olympic Committee although I'm a little surprised that team GB needed such a consultant in Beijing. 
How's about sending us a picture of you at work there MWT?

[sallypelt]

Here are all the companies, and dates of their set-up, which involves either MWT or his wife, or both:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]	Active - Accounts Filed	Director	11/04/2003	-	-
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]	Active - Accounts Filed	Company Secretary	11/04/2003	-	-
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]	Company not trading	Director	12/06/2007	-	-
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]	Active - Accounts Filed	Director	12/06/2007	-	-
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]	Active - Accounts Filed	Company Secretary	12/06/2007	-	-
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]	Company not trading	Company Secretary	12/06/2007

[sallypelt]

WT ASSOCIATES LIMITED
 
Business Overview
Wt Associates Limited is an Active business incorporated in England & Wales on 12th June 2007. Their business activity is recorded as Other Business Support Service Activities N.e.c.. Wt Associates Limited is run by 2 current members. and 1 company secretary. 2 shareholders own the total shares within the company. It is not part of a group.

The latest Annual Accounts submitted to Companies House for the year up to 30/06/2012 reported 'cash at bank' of £30,554, 'liabilities' worth £59,156, 'net worth' of £-8,919 and 'assets' worth £45,688. Wt Associates Limited's risk score was amended on 20/03/2013.


 
Director Overview
Karen Williams-Thomas holds 6 current appointment, has resigned from 0 companies and held appointments at 0 dissolved companies. Karen began their first appointment at the age of 33 and their longest current appointment spans 10 years and 3 months at WT PRODUCTIONS LIMITED.

The combined cash at bank value for all of Karen's current businesses is £61,599, with a combined assets value of £112,196 and liabilities of £77,213. Roles associated with Karen Williams-Thomas within the recorded businesses include: Director, Company Secretary

[tigger]

Thanks. Interesting. 


Not set up in 2005 then and previous companies possibly including the gum removal as from 2003. 


So did he want to fudge the fact that the two co's were set up on 12/6/2007?

[whmon]

On his linkedin account he makes it look as if WT Associates was set up in 2005.

"In 2005 I set up WT Associates, an independent Child Protection & Risk Management Consultancy which work very closely with local authorities, sports governing bodies and commercial organisations, providing specialist advice and support. WT Associates was appointed Child Protection Consultants for Team GB at the Olympic Games in Beijing and has also completed a significant review of past cases for the Church of England. "

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Typo, or does he want people to believe it was set up before June 2007?

 Ha! Just clicked on the link and he appears to be in my LinkedIn network Small world.

[sallypelt]

Thanks. Interesting. 


Not set up in 2005 then and previous companies possibly including the gum removal as from 2003. 


So did he want to fudge the fact that the two co's were set up on 12/6/2007?

MATTERS2ME LIMITED is dormant. All this means is it's not trading at the moment. A company can be stated as dormant if it hasn't traded for at least 3 months before informing Companies House. If a company is dormant, it can be made active at any time, but while it is dormant, no company returns have to be filed.

So, as it stands, MATTERS2ME LIMITED () is not active, but WT ASSOCIATES LIMITED (set up in 2007) and WT PRODUCTIONS LIMITED (set up in 2003) are active.

[Nereid]

The first video on his account in Youtube was posted on 8 December 2006. His title in the video is 'WRU Child Protection Consultant'.  WRU being the Welsh Rugby Union. No mention on the video of WT Associates. I wonder if he still holds that position.

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[sallypelt]

The first video on his account in Youtube was posted on 8 December 2006. His title in the video is 'WRU Child Protection Consultant'.  WRU being the Welsh Rugby Union. No mention on the video of WT Associates. I wonder if he still holds that position.

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Are you referring to the WRU Child Protection, or WT Associates Ltd? If it's WT Associates LTD, yes, MWT still holds position of director of that company

[Nereid]

The first video on his account in Youtube was posted on 8 December 2006. His title in the video is 'WRU Child Protection Consultant'.  WRU being the Welsh Rugby Union. No mention on the video of WT Associates. I wonder if he still holds that position.

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Are you referring to the WRU Child Protection, or WT Associates Ltd? If it's WT Associates LTD, yes, MWT still holds position of director of that company

I meant if he still held the position as WRU Child Protection Consultant. Sorry I wasn't clear.

WT Associates and the WRU designed a Child Protection course together:

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[sallypelt]

The first video on his account in Youtube was posted on 8 December 2006. His title in the video is 'WRU Child Protection Consultant'.  WRU being the Welsh Rugby Union. No mention on the video of WT Associates. I wonder if he still holds that position.

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Are you referring to the WRU Child Protection, or WT Associates Ltd? If it's WT Associates LTD, yes, MWT still holds position of director of that company

I meant if he still held the position as WRU Child Protection Consultant. Sorry I wasn't clear.

WT Associates and the WRU designed a Child Protection course together:

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I believe that MWT was involved in helping with the WRU Child Protection Unit has run courses, training days and workshops and encouraged everyone with direct access or responsibility for children or young people in rugby to complete a Criminal Record Bureau (CRB) disclosure.

This was back in 2008.

[sallypelt]

The first video on his account in Youtube was posted on 8 December 2006. His title in the video is 'WRU Child Protection Consultant'.  WRU being the Welsh Rugby Union. No mention on the video of WT Associates. I wonder if he still holds that position.

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Are you referring to the WRU Child Protection, or WT Associates Ltd? If it's WT Associates LTD, yes, MWT still holds position of director of that company

I meant if he still held the position as WRU Child Protection Consultant. Sorry I wasn't clear.

WT Associates and the WRU designed a Child Protection course together:

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It appears that MWT was only involved in some sort of training in regards to CRB checks. .

Here is the up-to-date link of Area Child Protection Coordinators for the WRU:

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