Re: The Mark Williams-Thomas thread

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‘This was a professional hit!’ | Investigative journalist on the murder of Jill Dando



26th September 20213

[Amy Dean]

I must share this latest lunacy from MWT.

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The two men who he's vowing to track down have already been identified, questioned and allowed to leave the country.

[crusader]

[PeterMac]

"It is understood he landed on the Spanish island late on Monday night,"

He has given himself THREE (3) days which gives him until close of play tomorrow, Thursday 27/6
" I know I will get to the bottom of this in three days."

But did we spot the 'get-out' clause ?
" I would quickly be able to establish whether or not there are suspicious circumstances - but I'd need total access to everything and to speak to all the witnesses involved.

* Does he speak fluent Spanish ?   [Unlikely, but possible]

* Given that he is not a serving Police officer but a TV journalist, and a self appointed and non-accredited "Private detective" will the SIO of the Guardia Civil or the Policia Nacional tell him or give him access to anything at all.  [No they won't.  Nor should they]

* Will he be allowed, or physically able to speak to ALL the witnesses involved?  [Obviously not]



So by Friday we shall have the story about "obstructive Paella shovellers . . . refusing to take it serious and let the great man do his magic.   Determined to prevent an anti tourist story reaching the papers, political interference . . .blah, blah," 

Watch closely, because there will be enough for a TV show.

[Jill Havern]

obstructive Paella shovellers


Stop it!

[PeterMac]

This kid is a convicted violent criminal.
His family (and mother) are allegedly involved in the drug trade.
He went from Manchester to Tenerife for three days to a Drug-fuelled New Rave Generation festival - and for no other purpose.   
(How much do 'apprentice bricklayers' earn ?)
"He had left the event with two British men to go back to their holiday rental, which was more than 20 miles from the apartment in Los Cristianos where he was staying with his best pal Lucy Law, 18, and another friend"
WHY ? ? ?
Debts, future dealing, importation details . . .       THAT BIT Hoists the red flag.   He dumped his girlfriend and went to the other side of the Island, at night, with two men he did not know / did know / had a hold over him. (delete as appropriate) Knowing that there was no way of getting back until the following morning.   

What were they doing all night ? ? ?

But then having missed the first bus, did not wait for the next one, in a couple of hours, have a café y churros, or a tostada con tomate breakfast - (toasted baguette, scrubbed with a garlic clove, then drizzled with olive oil and then scrubbed with a cut tomato, or tomato puree.  Delish) - but wanders off, NOT along the road, to hitch a lift or flag down the bus as it comes past next time,  but Up a RAVINE, and into the scrubland, with no compass no map, no water, no phone battery, no equipment,

Yeh RIGHT !!!

[PeterMac]

I must share this latest lunacy from MWT.

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The two men who he's vowing to track down have already been identified, questioned and allowed to leave the country.

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Everything we know about the 2 men he went back with




Lets start by saying these men should not be accused of having anything to do with the disappearance. They merely hold the exclusivity of being the last two people to spend time with Jay, and we don't know at this stage what the police asked them and what info they gave the police. We know they have now flew back to the UK, after giving copies of their passports to Spanish police.
It's just intriguing that the Uk press haven't latched on to these two as soon as they landed. Someone speculated they may still be assisting with police behind the scenes and have been advised not to talk to any media. At this stage we just don't know. But here is everything we do know about the two men:

Lucy told MailOnline Jay had told her he was going with them and she urged him to 'get back' to their room at the Paloma Beach hotel but he refused and insisted he was going off with them.
Lucy said: 'I just don't understand why he went to their place, he'd only just met them and didn't know them at all. Brad and I said to come back but he didn't, if he had this wouldn't have happened.'

A woman named only as Araceli, who works in the business adjoining the rental property, said: “I never saw the missing boy, but I know people saw him walking on his own. I saw the two British men who stayed here. “They came in for cafe con leche a couple of times. One was aged about 40. The other one was slightly younger.” She added: “The police have spoken to them both.

“They arrived on Saturday and were due to stay until Monday, but they left on Tuesday.” Asked if they had to stay to be interviewed by police, she said: “I don’t know”.

Lucy was able to track down the Airbnb where he had been staying by identifying the distinctive porch tiles within three hours of his last message – and spoke to the men who were there.

She said: 'They seemed startled and surprised that I had found them, and I asked them where Jay was.

'They said he had gone out to try and look for cigarettes and then come back and said he was leaving to try and get a bus back into town.

'They just seemed shocked that I had managed to find them and I know the police have spoken to them but I've since found out they have left the country. They need to be spoken to properly.'

In an interview with [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] tireless Lucy revealed how 'there were two people there' when she knocked on the door, who told her how Jay had gone out for a cigarette before heading back inside to tell them he wanted to go home.

The house he was staying in before he vanished was rented out by the two men from Friday to Monday but they stayed on an extra day after being questioned by police following Jay's disappearance.

Lucy said: "They told me he'd spoken to the next-door neighbours and they'd told him there was a bus every 10 minutes back down to Los Cristianos.

"The bus stop was right next to the house. So obviously if he'd gone to get the bus he wouldn't have got lost because it [the stop] was visible from the front door."

Locals have told MailOnline one of the men is known as 'Johnny Vegas' and Spanish police confirmed they had the names and passport details of both men and sources say they posted a Snapchat image of themselves back at Gatwick.

Sharing similar suspicions, another friend claimed: "We've been told the two guys Jay was last with are from Luton. One is known by the nickname Johnny Vegas. We're sure they know something. The island police say they have copies of their passports, but we've been told they flew back to Gatwick yesterday. We drove all round the ravine yesterday for 12 hours and we're getting out shouting and screaming Jay's name, but we couldn't find anything."

[crusader]

I'm presuming the two men Jay went off with had a car, so they weren't too drunk to drive.
They didn't offer him a lift in the morning, just sent him on his way.
Soon after they left the Island and left Jay wandering around the mountain.

[PeterMac]

Same "SOURCE".  More than a pinch of salt needed I think.   Small shovel full

"So many red flags with this!! Why did his friend call the police after half an hour of him calling to say he was lost? Why wouldn’t you wait 3-4 hours to see if he gets in touch? Maybe even longer. I’m not saying that would be a pleasant wait but you would keep busy until you heard from him/ met up. I think she knew he was in danger. Maybe she called him and told him to get himself out of there, not to bother waiting for the bus but to run! She’s changed her story so many times…
I use the term “friend” lightly. He met Lucy on holiday, so they had only been “friends” for a short period of time. She’s involved for someone that has just met him. She’s been so concerned that she set up the Go Fund Me… I think we all know he isn’t going to be found dead from natural causes next to a cactus now!… I find it fascinating that he supposedly went missing in very similar circumstances to the respected Michael Moseley. Were the capturs inspired by his disappearance? It is a weird coincidence.
Mum is emotionless. It could be stress and exhaustion, however I don’t find this a natural reaction. In one interview she is literally trying to squeeze tears out. Why does she keep saying things like “bring my baby back”… He’s supposedly lost in the wilderness…
Nothing adds up but stinks of Shannon Matthews
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The main rumour is that he met her a few weeks ago at another event. She deals and has lots of runners working with/for her, beneath some more serious guys. He went out there to deal drugs with her and some other kids. He took some of what he was supposed to sell and then lost the rest. He went with them 2 lads to the airbnb to keep his head down, the main dealers were after him and wanted 30k.
All speculation based on the rumours... but this would explain why she is so involved for someone that barely knows him. Why when interviewed she hid from the camera. Why she instantly set up a go fund me for 30k 'for his family' despite them saying they dont want it, why he went back to stay with them 2 english lads while things cooled down.
Maybe the reason they can't see trace of him on that tiny barren island is because he isn't out there, he is elsewhere. On his way back to the hotel from the airbnb the guys caught up with him. The language the family (especially mum used from the start) sounds like they already know he has been taken rather than just wandering around.
What's telling is how the media has changed its priority. For 2 or 3 days he was front page, they were digging for every detail. Innocent english lad lost abroad story. The past 2 days they are barely adding any info to the articles like they know its more to do with drugs/gangs and have backed away from the story a bit.
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They’ve known each other longer than a few weeks, there’s pictures of them on Facebook at creamfields last year together
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He lost alot of high profile drug dealers money. 30 grand, he's either held hostage or dead. Hence the go fund me page!


AND SO ON.   With Added Salt, High in Sodium,  Low in Potassium and Protein. No Fibre

[crusader]

He and his gang attacked a lad with deadly weapons, that's it for me, I couldn't care less what has happened to him.

[Amy Dean]

I wonder if the Brain of Britain MWT has realised yet that he can stop searching for the two men.

[Liz Eagles]

I wonder if the Brain of Britain MWT has realised yet that he can stop searching for the two men.

The vulgar words that have just got my brain are....couldn't find his own backside in the dark with both hands.

[Cake Lover]

I couldn't care less  either, they all seem a horrendous bunch of people.

[Amy Dean]

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I don't know why this meme came to mind when talking about MWT!

What are people here's opinions on his revelations about Jimmy Savile? Pat Brown made a video about it. She had never heard of JS before which I think helped her to make a reasoned decision. I agree with her; he was not a nice person (to put it mildly) but many of the claims about him are likely to be from bandwagon me too jumpers. 

[Amy Dean]

The man is an absolute moron - no surprise of course. He is still hunting the two men!

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During a press conference held today, Detective Mark Williams-Thomas - a private investigator who assisted in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] case - pleaded for the two men with whom Jay Slater went to the Airbnb after the rave on Sunday night "come forward with crucial information".

[PeterMac]

Not only a fraud but a total Cretin

Almost on a par with Jon Clarke
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Mark Williams-Thomas, a former police officer, held a press conference in Tenerife today (June 26).
He said he has spoken with Jay’s family. He says if Jay is not found then third-party involvement in his disappearance could be considered.
He said: “I don’t believe he is in close proximity to the rental. It’s a very easy area to search 
“If he has come to harm, it’s either the other side of the lookout point, or it is further down towards the town.
“Police are searching very well. They have mountain rescue and a lot of people are up there.  “He will be found. If he’s not found it brings that other element which is third party [involvement].”  
Mark said there is a ‘drug underworld’ on the island.
He said: “I have received information there is no doubt an underworld here… a big drugs [culture].
“I can’t tell you at the moment whether that has had a big impact. I have only been here less than 48 hours.
“What I can tell you is the information I currently have. The family has shared everything with me.
“I have a lot of messages and WhatsApp chats. This is a line of enquiry.”
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What did he think a three day RAVE was about ?
Everyone else in the world KNOWS that this is about a missing 30k, which has now been found through the GoFundMe

[Amy Dean]

If he had any credibility left, he certainly hasn't now. 

I'm not sure about this case but, if it does turn out to be a fund-raising hoax and Jay is alive and well somewhere, we can guarantee that, unlike a pair of other scammers, those responsible won't get away with it.

[Liz Eagles]

Not only a fraud but a total Cretin

Almost on a par with Jon Clarke
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Mark Williams-Thomas, a former police officer, held a press conference in Tenerife today (June 26).
He said he has spoken with Jay’s family. He says if Jay is not found then third-party involvement in his disappearance could be considered.
He said: “I don’t believe he is in close proximity to the rental. It’s a very easy area to search 
“If he has come to harm, it’s either the other side of the lookout point, or it is further down towards the town.
“Police are searching very well. They have mountain rescue and a lot of people are up there.  “He will be found. If he’s not found it brings that other element which is third party [involvement].”  
Mark said there is a ‘drug underworld’ on the island.
He said: “I have received information there is no doubt an underworld here… a big drugs [culture].
“I can’t tell you at the moment whether that has had a big impact. I have only been here less than 48 hours.
“What I can tell you is the information I currently have. The family has shared everything with me.
“I have a lot of messages and WhatsApp chats. This is a line of enquiry.”
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What did he think a three day RAVE was about ?
Everyone else in the world KNOWS that this is about a missing 30k, which has now been found through the GoFundMe

In the annals of the forum there are photographs showing him years ago posing as a serious investigator with a helicopter - he may even have been wearing a pair of aviator sunglasses.

[Liz Eagles]

Many years ago he did a documentary with Natasha Kaplinsky to highlight the amount of paedophiles operating in the Algarve with little to no control by Portuguese police authorities.

[Amy Dean]

Presumably that was to corroborate the McCanns' story (and what a story it was) that the place was awash with paedophiles.

[Cake Lover]

What's the point of singling out one place? There isn't a village, town, city, seaside resort, theme part etc. etc. which isn't awash with them.

[Liz Eagles]

Not only a fraud but a total Cretin

Almost on a par with Jon Clarke
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Mark Williams-Thomas, a former police officer, held a press conference in Tenerife today (June 26).
He said he has spoken with Jay’s family. He says if Jay is not found then third-party involvement in his disappearance could be considered.
He said: “I don’t believe he is in close proximity to the rental. It’s a very easy area to search 
“If he has come to harm, it’s either the other side of the lookout point, or it is further down towards the town.
“Police are searching very well. They have mountain rescue and a lot of people are up there.  “He will be found. If he’s not found it brings that other element which is third party [involvement].”  
Mark said there is a ‘drug underworld’ on the island.
He said: “I have received information there is no doubt an underworld here… a big drugs [culture].
“I can’t tell you at the moment whether that has had a big impact. I have only been here less than 48 hours.
“What I can tell you is the information I currently have. The family has shared everything with me.
“I have a lot of messages and WhatsApp chats. This is a line of enquiry.”
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What did he think a three day RAVE was about ?
Everyone else in the world KNOWS that this is about a missing 30k, which has now been found through the GoFundMe

Peter Blecksley is already on the internet criticizing the local police and armchair sleuths.

[Amy Dean]

I am donning sackcloth and ashes as I appear to have misjudged this wonderful man. He does know that the two men have been interviewed by the police but he wants them to come and speak to him or he will "dox" them.

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[Cake Lover]

I'm so relieved to know that his flawless reputation remains untarnished. Those two men are no doubt on their way now.

[Jimtheblue]

M.W.T is an opportunist he said he broke the Savile case but every man
and his dog knew what he was up to but they decided it was Jimmy
so let him be.M.W.T threw all his lies about in the Madeleine case.
He is a repugnant excuse for a human being.

[PeterMac]

Repeat of an extract from a letter sent to SurreyPol a long time ago
" . . . . 
MWT bills himself as an “expert in Child abuse”, and refers back to his service in the Surrey Police, when it seems he was a DC for a short time and a Family Liaison Officer, also for a short time. [3]
 
It is recorded that he was prosecuted for Blackmail, one assumes by Surrey Officers, and although acquitted left the Force in 1990 under circumstances which he has never explained.  From what we can gather he completed only 11 or 12 years service.  Strangely he claims to have been re-employed by Surrey Police as a DC for one year in 2009, and also claims to have worked whilst in the police on child protection variously for 12 years, and for 20 years.  [1]  [2]  [3]  [4]  [5]
 
You may be aware that he is currently claiming that he single-handedly brought the Savile case to the notice of the public. He has pontificated on several other cases and has said that he is engaged in viewing Child Pornography on the internet “for research purposes”.   He has not made it clear that he is among the persons authorised to do so.   [5]
 
But one of his more damaging claims is that whilst he was in Surrey Police he ‘led’ a number of murder, and national paedophile investigations. [3]   [6]
 
And it is those remarks which cause me concern.
 
I am sure that Surrey, like all other forces, operates along ACPO guidelines for the investigation of serious crime, allocating even “simple”  murders to DI or DCI, overseen by Det Supt, and that a National Paedophile enquiry would be co-ordinated by the DChSupt, reporting to the ACC Crime and would be on a joint Inter-force Liaison group specially set up for the purpose.


For Mark Williams-Thomas to represent that he personally ”led” such enquires must cause the general public of your Force area to doubt whether you have been giving a proper professional service, and I am confident you would agree that this is potentially damaging for the image of Surrey Police and of the Service as a whole.
Etc


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1          [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] williams-thomas-1509838#ixzz2SuTADf4z
 
"As a police officer I worked in the area of child protection for 20 years".
 
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Let us look at just one of those who has driven the hysteria over Sir James Savile and who claims he "exposed " the truth in his TV tabloid show "Exposure" when what he actually did was present a series of claims.
Mark Williams-Thomas is described repeatedly as a "child protection expert". Even Australia's respected ABC program 4 Corners introduced him as such.
He has no justification for making the claim and offering himself up as an expert on how to protect children.
The truth about Mark Williams-Thomas is this  he was a uniformed police officer on the beat for 9 years with the Surrey Police.
He graduated to Detective Constable - a role he held for only nine months before he left the Surrey Police under unexplained circumstances.
No detective constable in any police force around the world conducts police investigations. Rather they are part of a team with an Inspector (at the least) overseeing an inquiry. A DC could be answering phones, chasing up addresses, sitting in a car with another officer watching a suspect.
Yet the media has blithely accepted Williams-Thomas exaggerated claim that implies he was a major investigator on a number of important cases including the jailing of celebrity Jonathan King who oddly, was not the subject of any investigation until after Williams-Thomas left the force.
It would be prudent not to ask Williams-Thomas former colleagues at the Surrey Police what they think of him taking all the credit for the team's hard work.
This eight-month former DC then popped up with a company "advising' on child protection, a subject of which he had no specific knowledge of apart from his own self appointed, non-existent qualifications.
Two companies he set up were closed down.
 
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"Bringing with him his wealth of experience as hands on former Detective, Mark Williams-Thomas is able to provide a new dimension to many of the criminological problems facing today's society – for example, how the police investigate major crime and the risk management of sex offenders in the community.”   His expertise includes in particular risk management and assessment of offenders and he now owns his own Child Protection and Risk Management Consultancy - WT Associates Ltd. Prior to setting up WT Associates in 2005, Mark was a police Detective specialising in major crime. He worked on or was in charge of some of the largest paedophile and murder investigations in the country, as well as being was one of only 10 specialist Family Liaison officers during his time in the police. Mark is also completing a Masters in Criminology at the University of Central England."
 
 
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He began his police career in Surrey in 1989, where he was a detective and family liaison officer. He launched the high-profile investigation into the singer and record and TV producer Jonathan King in 2000, leading to his conviction in 2001 for abusing boys, and led a local inquiry into paedophilia.
Williams-Thomas has described himself as a "doer" during his 11 years in the force and was once told by a superior that he was a "nightmare to manage".
 
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Child Protection Expert & Criminologist
TV Presenter/Media
September 2005 – Present (8 years)
 
Consultant
Child Protection Consultant
2005 – 2011 (6 years)
 
Detective
Surrey Police
Public Company; 1001-5000 employees; Law Enforcement industry
2009 – 2010 (1 year)
 
[? ? ?]
 
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I've spent the past 18 months shadowing the officers of Scotland Yard's Paedophile Unit and, despite being a former detective with more than 12 years of experience in child protection, I've been horrified by what I've seen.
It's not just the appalling nature of the photographic images that so alarms me; it's the number of them.
 
 
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Mark Williams Thomas (M.A) - TV Presenter, Criminologist & Child Protection Expert
Mark is a former police detective who has far-reaching experience of working at the centre of high profile investigations.
During Mark's police service, he specialised in child protection and major crime and he is renowned throughout the UK's police forces as well as the national media for his expertise in these areas.      
 


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[Amy Dean]

Of all the buffoons who came out of the woodwork with the McCann case, MWT is the most memorable, continuing with ever more stupid escapades since then. 

How I wish we knew why he left the police for an uncertain future when he had a young family to support.

[PeterMac]

Of all the buffoons who came out of the woodwork with the McCann case, MWT is the most memorable, continuing with ever more stupid escapades since then. 
How I wish we knew why he left the police for an uncertain future when he had a young family to support.

He was arrested and charged with Blackmail, and acquitted.  
Which means there was not enough evidence to convict Beyond a ReasonableDoubt, NOT that there was no evidence.
He will have been suspended pending trial for along time.
Then the trial, then Annual leave- which is normal in these circumstances because yo cant take leave whilst suspended, and then return to work.
To be met by the critical gaze of erstwhile colleagues . . .  

I have seen colleagues walk after this happens,   It is not unusual.

Promotion even if qualified, is unlikely.

But at base he is a Walter Mitty, hence the 'exaggerated" = Lying CV and the claims to have done things which he clearly did not, and to be someone he clearly is not

[PeterMac]

It seems MWT's three days were not enough and he is now calling on them to "bring in a team or experts".  [I'm not making this up.  J Tanner]

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"A retired detective who investigated [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] disappearance has urged missing Jay Slater's family to fund a private search following Spain's decision to call off the search. On Sunday, June 30, the search for Jay entered its 14th day, with Tenerife's Civil Guard confirming they were halting all attempts to find the 19-year-old, from Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire.
Jay was last seen two weeks ago when he informed a friend he was walking back to his digs after missing a bus - a journey that would take around 11 hours on foot. Former British cop Mark Williams-Thomas, who is working alongside Jay's family in Tenerife, revealed he advised them to bring in a team of experts to carry out their own private search to continue the hunt.

"I have advised the family to use the GoFundMe money to bring in a large team of experts to flood the area from where we know Jay last was." The online fundraiser, which was set up by Jay's close pal Lucy Mae Law, 18, and is titled 'Get Jay Slater home' last night reached nearly £44,000.
Earlier this week, Jay's mother Debbie Duncan, 55, confirmed the money would begin to be withdrawn from the GoFundMe to pay for food and accommodation for Jay's family to stay in Tenerife, and to fly more loved ones out to the island to sustain the search.

[Amy Dean]

I'm so disappointed that MWT (alias Monumental Witless T*at) didn't solve the case within an hour. Perhaps he can now enlist the help of Donal MacIntyre - who could ever forget this?