19 May Mail on Sunday: 'MADDIE: UK CLEANERS ARE SUSPECTS' + WHO SOOTHED A WEEPING MADDIE the Express

How do they know this? Sean and Amalie too young to speak and Madeleine gone.

noddy100 wrote:How do they know this? Sean and Amalie too young to speak and Madeleine gone.

It was the night before the so-called abduction. On the 2nd

Maddie was still her parents on the 3rd

So she cried on the 1st as confirmed by Kate and on the second and was comforted by strangers and thy still left them on the 3rd.

So Madeleine told them ad they still left her?

noddy100 wrote:So Madeleine told them ad they still left her?

As far as I know Maddie never mentioned anything about strangers comforting her. She asked them where they were when she and Sean was crying....

Point is yes, she cried 2 nights in a row (it seems) and they still left them alone on the 3rd

Who told the police that two people went in and how?

noddy100 wrote:Who told the police that two people went in and how?

Don't have the details - should be able to read it tomorrow. Only saw the headline

sweetex wrote:

noddy100 wrote:Who told the police that two people went in and how?

Don't have the details - should be able to read it tomorrow. Only saw the headline

and why? how did the people telling the police know about a weeping child?

I am intrigued by these latest developments. It seems as though we have moved a step closer to justice (despite my earlier cynicism).

If the couple have split, one of them could crack.

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Edited to add - snipped from article

"Officers have compiled a dossier on at least six
“people of interest” who may hold the key to solving the six-year
­mystery of her disappearance.Their names have been passed to Portuguese police."


So the six people of interest have actually been named by SY and passed to portugese police.

Thanks for the link Plebgate. I don't think this is the main Express story though as it mentions nothing about the couple who allegedly soothed Maddie when she allegedly cried. It does contain this bit however:

A Yard spokesman stressed last night that the Met was not urging the Portuguese to arrest any suspect.

He said: “Our investigative review is ongoing and we are encouraged by the progress we are making.

“We are reviewing a significant number of documents and continue to identify potential lines of inquiry.

“We can confirm that as part of this process we have identified a number of persons of interest, but any suggestion that the Met is asking the Portuguese police to make arrests in connection with this inquiry is entirely inaccurate.

“We are in regular contact with Kate and Gerry McCann and they are kept fully updated on the progress of our work. We also continue to work closely with the Portuguese police and are actively considering our next steps.”

View-from-Ireland wrote:I am intrigued by these latest developments. It seems as though we have moved a step closer to justice (despite my earlier cynicism).

If the couple have split, one of them could crack.

Sorry have I missed something? Who has split?

Well, none of the T9/10 or the McCann/Healy clan can say they weren't warned about police activity.
If they do not co-operate, if asked, then they will have knowingly involved themselves in a conspiracy.
If the mccanns are possibly found to be involved in the demise of their daughter, the entire family should be charged as accomplices.(An associate in wrongdoing, especially one who aids or abets another in a criminal act, either as a principal or an accessory.)
They would have known but did nothing from day 1.

Could this actually refer to "they've taken her" famous quote of the night 3rd May?

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ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING, EVERYTHING, TO STOP THE POLICE, MET OR PJ, FROM RE-INTERVIEWING THE T9/10 AND WIDER FAMILY.

Very convenient the suspects being cleaners.

Is this going to be used as the reason why the abductor managed to get in and out of the room without leaving a trace?

We all know how it was done now, whilst one committed the crime they had a team of professional cleaners making sure not a shred of forensic evidence was left behind. Then in true UK gangster style they escaped in a Ford Transit.

Well thats a few unanswered questions covered, whats next they returned and planted evidence in a hire car to keep the PJ off the scent?

This sounds more like something Miss Marple would write.

and that there had been a complete lack of forensic examination of mobile phone activity in the area on the night Madeleine disappeared.

Wasn't that because the info of the mobiles was refused by the owners (ie Tapa 9) , carriers backed by a Portuguese judge?? So I guess SY knows how to get that info anyway, after all ain't Britain phone hack paradise?

sweetex wrote:

noddy100 wrote:So Madeleine told them ad they still left her?

As far as I know Maddie never mentioned anything about strangers comforting her. She asked them where they were when she and Sean was crying....

Point is yes, she cried 2 nights in a row (it seems) and they still left them alone on the 3rd

Yep, behavior good enough to call them "heroic",

GMAFB

or was it the 'soothing couple'------

who left the cadaver odour and blood detected by Martin Grimes' dogs? And how did they manage to do it?

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ETA for my own mental safety, I will watch European Song Festival voting now ...

Suspects of what? Cleaning up or taking away the child?

Hope they are not going to bleach it using this excuse.

littlepixie wrote:Kate told Social Worker Yvonne Martin that a "couple" had taken her daughter.

It would have to mean their doors were left unlocked every night....

Then one has to wonder why they made up this cock and bull story about broken shutters and windows etc, refused to answer simple questions if only to help the police, refused to go back for the reconstruction.
If they'd pre knowledge that an elderly couple had come in to soothe their crying children they did not mention it to the Police - very strange!

Just wait - the Mccanns are going to jump onto this gravy train, change their focus from swarthy egg-face man to blame the cleaners.

So basically for at least 2 nights in succession whilst they had their checking system in place people got into the apartment

Mystery couple seen going into McCanns’ flat on night before sobbing Maddie disappeared


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Sunday Express

Mystery couple seen going into McCanns’ flat on night before sobbing Maddie disappeared

SCOTLAND YARD detectives are trying to find a middle-aged couple said to have entered Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment to comfort her because she was crying, we can reveal today.

By: James Murray
Published: Sun, May 19, 2013

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Madeleine’s tears alerted a resident on eve of her disappearance

It is believed they entered the bedroom on May 2, 2007, the evening before Madeleine disappeared from the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve.

The tip-off was given by two key witnesses who were reinterviewed as part of the Yard’s two-year, £4.5million investigation.

It is already known that Pamela Fenn, who lived directly above apartment 5a, heard a child, believed to be Madeleine, crying for about an hour on the evening of May 2.

She was so concerned she rang a friend in the village to ask what to do and considered ringing Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria.

At the time, Madeleine’s mother Kate and father Gerry were dining with friends at a tapas bar some 50 yards from the apartment.

A source said: “Police were astonished when this new information came to light. Officers spoke to other key witnesses to discover more about the middle-aged couple.

“Apparently they were concerned about the crying and went to see if they could comfort the girl.”

Pamela Fenn has since died, so police have been speaking to other people who were staying in the same apartments.

Our revelation comes as Scotland Yard detectives say there are potentially 20 suspects they want to speak to. Retiring Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, head of the Yard’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command, urged Portuguese authorities to investigate the new leads.

He said: “There are a lot of people of interest. There are people who could be properly explored further, if only to be eliminated.”

Scotland Yard officers have been interviewing witnesses here for months, although the public prosecutor in Portugal has decided against reopening the investigation.

Despite claims of a “Mexican stand off” between Portuguese police and Yard officers, the Sunday Express understands there is in fact very good co-operation between both squads.

Pedro de Carmo, deputy national leader of the PJ, said yesterday: “We still co-operate with their team. There are good communications.”

Portuguese officers are very impressed with the diligence of the Met investigation and have been impressed with their interviews with witnesses in Britain.

We can confirm that a couple staying in the same block as apartment 5a were interviewed last February.

They were in their apartment on the night Madeleine vanished. Afterwards they wrote an account of what they saw but were never formally interviewed by Portuguese detectives.

They had been at a restaurant earlier in the evening and left at about 9pm.

madeleine mccann, maddie, scotland yard, new, suspects, mystery, couple, missingOcean Club view, showing distance between tapas bar and McCanns’ apartment


"The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g bastards have taken her’"
The woman’s statement


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Ocean Club view, showing distance between tapas bar and McCanns’ apartment

On their way home they walked directly past the entrance to the Ocean Club pool, where the “Tapas 7” (the name given to the friends eating with the McCanns on the night Madeleine disappeared) were enjoying the meal with Kate and Gerry.

They walked past apartment 5a but noticed nothing untoward. The woman said in her statement: “I stood on the balcony at about 9.15 with a whisky.

“I saw people eating at the tapas bar and children in the play area. We went to bed at 10pm-ish. We were woken up by our bell ringing at 11.30pm. It was a friend of the McCanns, saying that a little girl had been abducted. The friend asked if we had a computer so they could get the media involved in the search.

“Two police were on the corner of our block, one lady said that off-duty police had come and were searching. We did see single men on mobiles while we were out who could have been police.”

The couple took part in the search for Madeleine and then returned to their apartment.

The woman’s statement continues: “We walked back up towards our apartment, a group had gathered on the corner. The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g bastards have taken her’. Finally, at around 4am, we said: ‘Is it OK if we go to bed?’ We directed this comment towards a man in a white shirt and jeans, who seemed to be authoritative.”

At the couple’s home here, two Yard officers questioned them separately for three hours and got them to sign lengthy statements. They further interviewed them this year to double check their information.

The couple are key because at precisely 9.15pm on May 3, Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said she left the tapas bar and walked past Gerry, who was talking to holidaymaker Jez Wilkins outside apartment 5a.

Neither Gerry nor Kate said they saw Jane. She reported that she had seen a man carrying a child, believed to be Madeleine, walking across the top of the road.

At the time she had not realised the significance. Officers asked the couple if they saw Jane, Gerry or Jez but they insist they did not.

The Sunday Express has visited the couple’s holiday apartment, which looks over the tapas bar. From its balcony you can see directly into the garden of apartment 5a.

The woman said: “We have one of the best views of the whole block. We are sure of the timings. If we had seen anyone we would have remembered.

“We will continue to answer the Yard’s questions. We have given our fingerprints and DNA. We were happy to assist. They should be left to get on with their inquiries.”

HOLY COW!!!

Is it i just me or do we have a front page story for the first time since 2007, from an indepedent witness, blowing to smithereens Jane Tanner's sighthing and the only "evidence" in the files of an abduction?

worriedmum wrote:or was it the 'soothing couple'------

who left the cadaver odour and blood detected by Martin Grimes' dogs? And how did they manage to do it?

It's a true mystery worriedmum (if Clarry will permit me to use that word) but if the 'soothing couple' left the cadaver odour and blood, how was their DNA 'selectively' cleaned up since only that of the McCanns, their friends, etc. was found in the apartment.

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According to the Mirror, MET believe Maddie may still be alive.

maybe they were specialist 'cleaners', Bobbin? if this wasn't so desperately sad, this thrashing about would make you want to
laugh. To paraphrase Sandra Felgueiras, ''WHAT ABOUT THE DOGS?

What a load of bo****,How come the SY are missing what the DOGS FOUND.

bobbin wrote:

worriedmum wrote:or was it the 'soothing couple'------

who left the cadaver odour and blood detected by Martin Grimes' dogs? And how did they manage to do it?

It's a true mystery worriedmum (if Clarry will permit me to use that word) but if the 'soothing couple' left the cadaver odour and blood, how was their DNA 'selectively' cleaned up since only that of the McCanns, their friends, etc. was found in the apartment.

The couple has not been identified. If you ask me, this could very well be a Tapas9 couple. It was dark. They could see a man and women entering the apt but maybe didn't recognise them?

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Sunday Express

Mystery couple seen going into McCanns’ flat on night before sobbing Maddie disappeared

SCOTLAND YARD detectives are trying to find a middle-aged couple said to have entered Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment to comfort her because she was crying, we can reveal today.

By: James Murray
Published: Sun, May 19, 2013

Image
Madeleine’s tears alerted a resident on eve of her disappearance

It is believed they entered the bedroom on May 2, 2007, the evening before Madeleine disappeared from the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve.

The tip-off was given by two key witnesses who were reinterviewed as part of the Yard’s two-year, £4.5million investigation.

It is already known that Pamela Fenn, who lived directly above apartment 5a, heard a child, believed to be Madeleine, crying for about an hour on the evening of May 2.

She was so concerned she rang a friend in the village to ask what to do and considered ringing Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria.

At the time, Madeleine’s mother Kate and father Gerry were dining with friends at a tapas bar some 50 yards from the apartment.

A source said: “Police were astonished when this new information came to light. Officers spoke to other key witnesses to discover more about the middle-aged couple.

“Apparently they were concerned about the crying and went to see if they could comfort the girl.”

Pamela Fenn has since died, so police have been speaking to other people who were staying in the same apartments.

Our revelation comes as Scotland Yard detectives say there are potentially 20 suspects they want to speak to. Retiring Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, head of the Yard’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command, urged Portuguese authorities to investigate the new leads.

He said: “There are a lot of people of interest. There are people who could be properly explored further, if only to be eliminated.”

Scotland Yard officers have been interviewing witnesses here for months, although the public prosecutor in Portugal has decided against reopening the investigation.

Despite claims of a “Mexican stand off” between Portuguese police and Yard officers, the Sunday Express understands there is in fact very good co-operation between both squads.

Pedro de Carmo, deputy national leader of the PJ, said yesterday: “We still co-operate with their team. There are good communications.”

Portuguese officers are very impressed with the diligence of the Met investigation and have been impressed with their interviews with witnesses in Britain.

We can confirm that a couple staying in the same block as apartment 5a were interviewed last February.

They were in their apartment on the night Madeleine vanished. Afterwards they wrote an account of what they saw but were never formally interviewed by Portuguese detectives.

They had been at a restaurant earlier in the evening and left at about 9pm.

madeleine mccann, maddie, scotland yard, new, suspects, mystery, couple, missingOcean Club view, showing distance between tapas bar and McCanns’ apartment


"The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g bastards have taken her’"
The woman’s statement


Image
Ocean Club view, showing distance between tapas bar and McCanns’ apartment

On their way home they walked directly past the entrance to the Ocean Club pool, where the “Tapas 7” (the name given to the friends eating with the McCanns on the night Madeleine disappeared) were enjoying the meal with Kate and Gerry.

They walked past apartment 5a but noticed nothing untoward. The woman said in her statement: “I stood on the balcony at about 9.15 with a whisky.

“I saw people eating at the tapas bar and children in the play area. We went to bed at 10pm-ish. We were woken up by our bell ringing at 11.30pm. It was a friend of the McCanns, saying that a little girl had been abducted. The friend asked if we had a computer so they could get the media involved in the search.

“Two police were on the corner of our block, one lady said that off-duty police had come and were searching. We did see single men on mobiles while we were out who could have been police.”

The couple took part in the search for Madeleine and then returned to their apartment.

The woman’s statement continues: “We walked back up towards our apartment, a group had gathered on the corner. The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g bastards have taken her’. Finally, at around 4am, we said: ‘Is it OK if we go to bed?’ We directed this comment towards a man in a white shirt and jeans, who seemed to be authoritative.”

At the couple’s home here, two Yard officers questioned them separately for three hours and got them to sign lengthy statements. They further interviewed them this year to double check their information.

The couple are key because at precisely 9.15pm on May 3, Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said she left the tapas bar and walked past Gerry, who was talking to holidaymaker Jez Wilkins outside apartment 5a.

Neither Gerry nor Kate said they saw Jane. She reported that she had seen a man carrying a child, believed to be Madeleine, walking across the top of the road.

At the time she had not realised the significance. Officers asked the couple if they saw Jane, Gerry or Jez but they insist they did not.

The Sunday Express has visited the couple’s holiday apartment, which looks over the tapas bar. From its balcony you can see directly into the garden of apartment 5a.

The woman said: “We have one of the best views of the whole block. We are sure of the timings. If we had seen anyone we would have remembered.

“We will continue to answer the Yard’s questions. We have given our fingerprints and DNA. We were happy to assist. They should be left to get on with their inquiries.”

HOLY COW!!!

Is it i just me or do we have a front page story for the first time since 2007, from an indepedent witness, blowing to smithereens Jane Tanner's sighthing and the only "evidence" in the files of an abduction?

Is this article a Clarry/McCann posit. The date of the Fenn/ crying incident is being touted as 2nd May, i.e. the night before Maddie disappeared and which coincides with Kate's fictitious claimed crying event whereas Mrs. Fenn reported the crying incident as being on 1st May.
Deliberate confusion still, trying to back fill to make things fit when all else is being blown apart?