Re: 19 May Mail on Sunday: 'MADDIE: UK CLEANERS ARE SUSPECTS' + WHO SOOTHED A WEEPING MADDIE the Express

by tiny 18.05.13 11:16

One another forum it is said Martin Brunt is in Portugal,can any one verify this

by Pershing36 18.05.13 11:18

tiny wrote:One another forum it is said Martin Brunt is in Portugal,can any one verify this

Yeah I heard he was reporting from there on Sky News

by tosca 18.05.13 11:21

He is supposed to be there, however they haven't actually shown him in person there, just reports saying he is.

by Guest 18.05.13 11:35

Woofer wrote:The Daily Mail is being atrocious, as are many of the commentators whipping up antagonism against the Portuguese and saying Portugual should be boycotted. What morons.

Agree with your comments Woofer.

The problem to me is the MSM are repeating things over and over to get the public to believe that everything they say or print is true, like you say there behaving like antagonists. It's becoming like Chinese Whispers, next thing we hear will probably be, "Of course the McCanns are completly innocent" blah, blah. Who are they trying to take for fools.

by tiny 18.05.13 11:37

Ididnt think this news such a big deal,or is something is going to happen

by Pershing36 18.05.13 11:43

tiny wrote:Ididnt think this news such a big deal,or is something is going to happen

I wonder if it is the beginning of an exit strategy for SY. They give the PJ a load of names and ask them to re-open the case which they already know they wont. They can then announce at the right time they can no longer make any progress because the PJ are not investigating their leads. That way SY can come out of this with no criticism and smelling of roses.

by Guest 18.05.13 11:44

Pershing36 wrote:
tiny wrote:One another forum it is said Martin Brunt is in Portugal,can any one verify this

Yeah I heard he was reporting from there on Sky News

Why would he be there unless he's aware of something, or perhaps he's waiting to see if GM shows up or any of the T7.

by sweetex 18.05.13 11:46

Pershing36 wrote:It's all a nothing story which is being thoroughly dumbed down today.

Yesterday we had all this breaking news almost like the case had been cracked.

Today we have up to a dozen people that need to be eliminated, doesn't suggest arrests or anything. I bet if you got to the truth of it it would just be known sex offenders that could have been in the area, maybe missed in the PJ investigation. The do the same in the UK, whenever there is an abduction or assault they visit all the known offenders in the area to eliminate them first.

It's like going back to that lawless village in the hills. I bet all these private investigation firms have been doing is compiling lists of sex offenders which may have been around that area. Most of them will probably already have been eliminated by the PJ, these are 6 that may have been missed.

They managed to get the list down from 195 to 20. No wonder the PJ won't re-open the case. I don't blame them. They know the truth.

by Cheshire Cat 18.05.13 11:54

Pershing36 wrote:
tiny wrote:Ididnt think this news such a big deal,or is something is going to happen

I wonder if it is the beginning of an exit strategy for SY. They give the PJ a load of names and ask them to re-open the case which they already know they wont. They can then announce at the right time they can no longer make any progress because the PJ are not investigating their leads. That way SY can come out of this with no criticism and smelling of roses.

I believe this is an exit strategy for SY and it is timed nicely with Hamish Campbells 'retirement'.

by ShuBob 18.05.13 12:04

Well, just like the retired, and in some case infirmed, cops who oversaw the original Hillsborough investigation, Hamish Campbell will not be out of it if this is a whitewash.

by Woofer 18.05.13 12:09

Cherry Blossom wrote:
Woofer wrote:The Daily Mail is being atrocious, as are many of the commentators whipping up antagonism against the Portuguese and saying Portugual should be boycotted. What morons.

Agree with your comments Woofer.

The problem to me is the MSM are repeating things over and over to get the public to believe that everything they say or print is true, like you say there behaving like antagonists. It's becoming like Chinese Whispers, next thing we hear will probably be, "Of course the McCanns are completly innocent" blah, blah. Who are they trying to take for fools.

It makes me very suspicious when the media provoke hatred between races and countries - they are always doing it. Its the same with the Oxford and Cherwell College Paedophile scandal - they are just reporting as though it was just Asians whereas its whites at the heart of the paedophile ring and its whites that are covering it up. The BBC are one of the worst - like last night on Radio 4 they reported that there is now tension between the Portuguese and UK because, they say, the Portuguese are refusing to re-open the case. Its the same old tactic of causing division.

by **tigger** 18.05.13 12:23

Cheshire Cat wrote:
Pershing36 wrote:
tiny wrote:Ididnt think this news such a big deal,or is something is going to happen

I wonder if it is the beginning of an exit strategy for SY. They give the PJ a load of names and ask them to re-open the case which they already know they wont. They can then announce at the right time they can no longer make any progress because the PJ are not investigating their leads. That way SY can come out of this with no criticism and smelling of roses.

I believe this is an exit strategy for SY and it is timed nicely with Hamish Campbells 'retirement'.

So do I. His statements were almost entirely in the past tense re the review e.g. 'has been' etc.

by tiny 18.05.13 12:26

tigger wrote:
Cheshire Cat wrote:
Pershing36 wrote:
tiny wrote:Ididnt think this news such a big deal,or is something is going to happen

I wonder if it is the beginning of an exit strategy for SY. They give the PJ a load of names and ask them to re-open the case which they already know they wont. They can then announce at the right time they can no longer make any progress because the PJ are not investigating their leads. That way SY can come out of this with no criticism and smelling of roses.

I believe this is an exit strategy for SY and it is timed nicely with Hamish Campbells 'retirement'.

So do I. His statements were almost entirely in the past tense re the review e.g. 'has been' etc.

If this might be the case then we have to be thankfull SY are NOT running the show

by sweetex 18.05.13 12:28

Don't know the source but I picked this up on twitter:

matthew wright ‏@1matthewwright1 5m
@IWILLNOTGOAWAY watched news this morn but it was just a verbal report ...the night mrs fenn heard cryings phonecalls cud be the key #mccann

by Guest 18.05.13 12:31

acording to DB mobile phones and whereabouts to be re-investigated. Also PJ and SY knocking on doors talking to people.

deborah butler‏@IWILLNOTGOAWAY[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and that phones will be re investigated [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

deborah butler‏@IWILLNOTGOAWAY[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Nsy detectives with pj been knocking doors & speaking to people in village [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] sky

by View-from-Ireland 18.05.13 12:35

I always found it odd that in the early days, May-June '07, it was the 'Maddie case' and 'Maddie' was used interchangeably with Madeleine. At some point since then the parents became keen to stress that they never called her 'Maddie'. Is it linked to Mrs. Fenn? 'Daddy, Daddy'?

by Cristobell 18.05.13 12:39

Martin Brunt was on Sky earlier, reporting live from outside 5A in PDL. He said there is little reaction from Portugal, a couple of newspaper items, but nothing significant.

by **tigger** 18.05.13 12:51

View-from-Ireland wrote:I always found it odd that in the early days, May-June '07, it was the 'Maddie case' and 'Maddie' was used interchangeably with Madeleine. At some point since then the parents became keen to stress that they never called her 'Maddie'. Is it linked to Mrs. Fenn? 'Daddy, Daddy'?

I used to think it was a psychological thing. It's clear to me that they always called her Maddie. As a distancing device calling her Madeleine might make things easier.
It's on a par with calling her 'this girl' (Lisbon court steps) 'a little girl' (to Mrs. Fenn by Gerry)

When a parent is annoyed with Bobby, he/she will say 'Robert!'

I don't believe Maddie was crying on the 1st, the original statements on the 4th (voluntary ones mind!) were that the twins cried and Maddie asked about it.
Then later it was Sean and Maddie, six months later Maddie on her own.
They were very keen to incorporate it in the narrative for that reason I tend to ignore it, my betting is that it was Sean. That it was a good opportunity to create a paedo who'd already been in 5a once.

by aiyoyo 18.05.13 12:57

tiny wrote:Ididnt think this news such a big deal,or is something is going to happen

Judging by Kate's pre-empting move in PDL recently, I should think something is afoot.

by ShuBob 18.05.13 12:59

Cristobell wrote:Martin Brunt was on Sky earlier, reporting live from outside 5A in PDL. He said there is little reaction from Portugal, a couple of newspaper items, but nothing significant.

What's Brunty doing in PdL if he's not expecting anything to happen?

by Smokeandmirrors 18.05.13 13:02

candyfloss wrote:acording to DB mobile phones and whereabouts to be re-investigated. Also PJ and SY knocking on doors talking to people.

deborah butler‏@IWILLNOTGOAWAY[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and that phones will be re investigated [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

deborah butler‏@IWILLNOTGOAWAY[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Nsy detectives with pj been knocking doors & speaking to people in village [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] sky

How reliable is Debbie Butler as a source? Does she live close by? I have to admit, although I know she was once involved with the Madeleine Foundation, most of that period of time has passed me by. These latest news reports are frustrating because they don't just get directly to the point, dealt with and sorted once and for all. These tit-bits of information are looking like something major will be announced very soon.

by aiyoyo 18.05.13 13:03

Notice the Police said 20 people of interests from old files.
Pinky did not spin it as 20 fresh leads.

Mr & Mrs and drinking buddies plus a few immediate family members and blind financier supporters and/or Fund trustees in the know all adds up to roughly 20, about right then.

by sweetex 18.05.13 13:09

So we can read either way:

They news broke BECAUSE Hamish Campbells is retiring and obviously wants to end his career on a high note, or

He is retiring because of the news to be announced soon.

by wjk 18.05.13 13:15

tosca wrote:He is supposed to be there, however they haven't actually shown him in person there, just reports saying he is.

Yes, I saw him there this morning on Sky news.

by wjk 18.05.13 13:16

Hes there now live on Sky

by maebee 18.05.13 13:17

wjk wrote:
tosca wrote:He is supposed to be there, however they haven't actually shown him in person there, just reports saying he is.

Yes, I saw him there this morning on Sky news.

Brunty reporting from there now on Sky News

by Lance De Boils 18.05.13 13:26

This is all a little bizarre. This HEADLINE news, that topped yesterdays stories on the 24 hour news channels and has made front pages today is in fact, on face-value, a complete NON-news story.

There is nothing specific being reported. Maddie may (or may not) be alive. That's not news.
Several persons of interest need re-interviewing. That's not news either.

The media have twisted HC's words to make a non-news story into a headline.

BUT WHY? And WHY would Mr. Brunt be in Portugal to cover this non-news? A complete waste of time and money, unless....

Are the press just warming up, prepping the public and reminding them of the case, ready for the REAL news story to come?

On its own, yesterday's and today's headlines are meaningless. BUT, in the context of recent happenings, maybe not so meaningless.

Kate and Gerry looking davastated for the first and only time since arguido day
+ Murat's front page, "Bring them all back"
+ Kate's solitary return to apartment 5A in PDL
+ Sudden breaking "non-news", mentioning a "small group" of interest and possible new "forensic opportunities"
+ Brunty being in Portugal...

= ... something significant in the pipeline?

by Cristobell 18.05.13 13:28

Very confusing. Martin Brunt has said the 'suspects' are foreign, ie, not British. That rules out the McCanns and Tapas.

The above would imply whitewash, but why is Brunt in PDL, and why aren't McCanns at their gate with Clarence, rejoicing at the news and and praying and lighting candles?

by tiny 18.05.13 13:32

Cristobell wrote:Very confusing. Martin Brunt has said the 'suspects' are foreign, ie, not British. That rules out the McCanns and Tapas.

The above would imply whitewash, but why is Brunt in PDL, and why aren't McCanns at their gate with Clarence, rejoicing at the news and and praying and lighting candles?

Surely martin brunt is not in Portugal just to tell us that the suspects are foreign,he could have done that from the studio.

by tiny 18.05.13 13:36

sweetex wrote:So we can read either way:

They news broke BECAUSE Hamish Campbells is retiring and obviously wants to end his career on a high note, or

He is retiring because of the news to be announced soon.

I think you could be right with number one, the SY team must be thick as a brick if they are going down the abduction route or corrupt

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