Re: Oscar Pistorius

by aiyoyo 12.08.15 22:47

Seems that way.

by aiyoyo 29.08.15 8:18

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The state filed its heads of argument with the supreme court of appeal. Pistorius’s defence team has until 17 September to submit its response, with the appeal hearing expected in November. If the judges rule against Pistorius, he could face returning to prison for at least 15 years.

I wonder if Judge Masipa career future is affected post Oscar Pistorius. Her unpopular decision didn't sit well with the public and certain authorities. If the Appeal Court should find she erred on the application of law I think that might have a serious impact on her career advancement.

I don't understand Reeva Steenkamp parents at all. Why did they not oppose the verdict then or file profession negligence against the Judge if they believe the verdict was a mis rule on the part of the Judge. Why wait until his possible release on house arrest before they protest against his early release? Surely they had been informed that he would be released after 10 months into the prison term?

To me, Reeva's parents seem to be doing things on their own steam in accordance to their personal situation/circumstance at a given point in time, instead of being in cooperation and in accord with the prosecuting legal team.

by Angelique 29.08.15 10:26

I recall that after the Trial and sentencing of OP the Steencamps said that they would not be appealing because it wouldn't bring Reeva back. That of course they were unhappy about the sentence but at that time they felt it would only cause them more distress.

Maybe they now feel differently.

by aiyoyo 30.08.15 8:58

Angelique wrote:I recall that after the Trial and sentencing of OP the Steencamps said that they would not be appealing because it wouldn't bring Reeva back. That of course they were unhappy about the sentence but at that time they felt it would only cause them more distress.

Maybe they now feel differently.

Exactly what I mean - that they gave out conflicting messages and didn't (and still don't) seem to be working in tandem with the prosecution legal team. One gets the impression the prosecution is on their own making sure law is applied correctly, whereas the steenkamps are doing their best to earn money (book, talks etc) for their living and perhaps allowing their strings to be pulled by outside group influence.

On one hand they said they forgave him, were satisfied he got imprisoned and didn't seem disturbed about the lesser charge he got done for, and didn't see the point in appealing.
Now they're saying they believed he murdered her and that he shouldn't be released.

They appear not to be working in tandem with the prosecution team. Had they added their voice of support to the appeal, their voice would go a very long way especially given the public outcry over the ruling.

I don't know, on one hand they appear passive and complacent but on the other hand they moan about the inadequacy of the law to deal out justice. There is just no telling how they want their daughter's killer to be punished. It is cruel to say this but they seem more concerned about they are perceived than anything else. Reeva should have got a stronger voice from them if anything.

by aiyoyo 30.08.15 8:58

Angelique wrote:I recall that after the Trial and sentencing of OP the Steencamps said that they would not be appealing because it wouldn't bring Reeva back. That of course they were unhappy about the sentence but at that time they felt it would only cause them more distress.

Maybe they now feel differently.

Exactly what I mean - that they gave out conflicting messages and didn't (and still don't) seem to be working in tandem with the prosecution legal team. One gets the impression the prosecution is on their own making sure law is applied correctly, whereas the steenkamps are doing their best to earn money (book, talks etc) for their living and perhaps allowing their strings to be pulled by outside group influence.

On one hand they said they forgave him, were satisfied he got imprisoned and didn't seem disturbed about the lesser charge he got done for, and didn't see the point in appealing.
Now they're saying they believed he murdered her and that he shouldn't be released.

They appear not to be working in tandem with the prosecution team. Had they added their voice of support to the appeal, their voice would go a very long way especially given the public outcry over the ruling.

I don't know, on one hand they appear passive and complacent but on the other hand they moan about the inadequacy of the law to deal out justice. There is just no telling how they want their daughter's killer to be punished. It is cruel to say this but they seem more concerned about they are perceived than anything else. Reeva should have got a stronger voice from them if anything. Just my opinion of course.

by willowthewisp 30.08.15 18:55

Do not forget that "Oscar" knowingly knew that Reeva's parents were going through financial difficulties when he gave them money to erase their predicament (Judas funds) at a time of emotional conflict for the parents?
Oscar Pistorious and his Solicitors knew what they were doing during this process and it would backfire on the couple at the eventual trial, that it would be part of the Court case, but not admitting to his Guilt?
It only helped his case, as the parents felt shameful after they had time to reflect on the situation and knew had partially silenced them?

by aiyoyo 30.08.15 21:07

Yeap, taking his blood money was their unwise decision.
That restricts their free voice to speak their mind truthfully to the media at that time without it backfiring on them. But backfire it did nonetheless. Either they were helpless and gullible or they were ill advised, I know which I think.

OP and his lawyers were playing the blinder, they knew exactly what they did would help OP case in Court.

Now that the trial is over, done and dusted, and the Court told they would return the money, it seems their free voice is no longer impeded by fear of repercussion.

I wonder if the Prosecution team were told of the money changing hands ahead of trial, or were they too taken surprised in Court. I wonder too if that is a reason for the lack of rapport between the Steenkamps and the Prosecutor team.

I have never witnessed another case like it - where Prosecutor did his damnest best for the murdered victim but the victim's family seemed laid back about the whole thing at the crucial stage, and when they did appear to change their tune everything has become moot point to an extent.

by **Jill Havern** 17.09.15 12:26

Oscar Pistorius 'cannot afford another murder trial' say his lawyers as parole decision due on Friday

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by jozi 19.09.15 17:56

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Oscar Pistorius 'cannot afford another murder trial' say his lawyers as parole decision due on Friday

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He was going to be released on Friday but it did not happen and then this in today's paper;

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by aiyoyo 20.09.15 15:28

I think they are going to have to keep him in prison until the decision on the Appeal is had.
How can it be any other way?
Expecting to be released on parole when the decision of the judgement is being challenged just does not seem right.

by aiyoyo 13.10.15 6:44

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Pistorius house shown in 'bizarre' video tour

The new tenants of the house where athlete Oscar Pistorius shot dead his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp have been filmed giving a tour around the house.

In the video, they promise to host parties there, saying: "Oscar built this house to entertain".
Pistorius family spokeswoman Anneliese Burgess described the footage as "bizarre" to the South African press.

David Scott and Kagiso Mokoape have apologised after giving the South African TV channel Netwerk24 a tour.
However, the pair told the Rekord newspaper they had been assured that they were not being recorded.
"They came to the house to interview us to promote our business. We were relaxed and giving our own opinion as they told us they were not recording," Mr Scott said.
Mr Mokoape told the paper that the purpose of the video had been to send out a positive message that people "should enjoy and celebrate life".
The business partners give the TV channel a tour of the house, including the bathroom where Ms Steenkamp died, whilst holding cans of beer.
At one point Mr Scott says: "This is definitely an entertainer's house."
In another part of the video he told the channel: "Hot girls can invite themselves."
Mr Scott also said they intended to decorate the house "in honour of what happened here".
A version of the video is still on the network's English language website.

The two men appear to be drinking beer throughout the video
During the video, Mr Scott opens the toilet door, through which Ms Steenkamp was shot four times, to show where she died.
While in the bathroom, Mr Mokoape says "I feel bad for Reeva's parents".
The bathroom has since been refurbished.
An online poll by the South African website IOL found that readers were closely split on whether it would be distasteful to hold a party at the house.
Poll with statement: Throwing a party at the house where Oscar killed Reeva is... 'Disgusting 53%', 'No big deal 42%'. 'Cool 6%'Image copyrightIOL
Image caption
The online poll as 1400 BST Monday
Reeva Steempkamp, Oscar PistoriusImage copyrightAFP
The making and unmaking of Oscar Pistorius
The trial evidence
The South African parole board is due to decide later this week whether to release Pistorius on house arrest.
He was convicted of manslaughter last year but cleared of murder.
The appeal against his acquittal on murder charges is to be heard next month.
The Olympic athlete insists he mistook his then girlfriend for an intruder.

by Liz Eagles 20.10.15 9:44

Oscar's out of jail.

'Oscar is here and home with his family': Pistorius family's joy as he is removed from prison under cover of darkness to serve five-year sentence at uncle's luxury villa

Sprinter Oscar Pistorius released from prison after serving just a year
He was jailed for five years for killing girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp in 2013
Lawyer for Miss Steenkamp's parents tells MailOnline: 'This doesn't change how they feel. Reeva is still dead'
Athlete still faces appeal to upgrade charge to murder and 15 years in jail

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by aiyoyo 20.10.15 11:39

He's got away with it.

by Liz Eagles 20.10.15 11:58

363 days for manslaughter.

by aiyoyo 20.10.15 14:10

A book on "his version of the story" on its way perhaps ?

by jozi 21.10.15 13:04

aquila wrote:363 days for manslaughter.

I think this could be a new world record.......Disgusting man !!!

by jozi 21.10.15 13:09

aiyoyo wrote:A book on "his version of the story" on its way perhaps ?

We already heard his version in court aiyoyo, it didn't make any sense then so I don't think it will make any sense now and besides he's far too ill to wright books !!!

by aiyoyo 21.10.15 13:23

jozi wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:A book on "his version of the story" on its way perhaps ?
We already heard his version in court aiyoyo, it didn't make any sense then so I don't think it will make any sense now and besides he's far too ill to wright books !!!

That version is for court purposes (technical, tailored for defence)
There is always another version hidden away in the closet to be pulled out at convenience.
Criminals always have another version (retrospect version, spin for sensationalisation if you like) that they will spice up to sell their "tell all" book.
Kate's book is perfect example of a retrospect book tailored around the evidence to fit her agenda.

That's one way to earn a living, now that he's not employable.
It really depends though, if the Olympic Organiser will allow him to participate.
Even so, he would require few years of training, and with him being on house arrest he won't have any income, not that he needs it since he's living in his uncle's palatial mansion.

But this type never live simply, they have a lifestyle to maintain, so will need to find alternative way to earn money if normal employment is off limit.

by jozi 03.12.15 9:20

aiyoyo wrote:
jozi wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:A book on "his version of the story" on its way perhaps ?
We already heard his version in court aiyoyo, it didn't make any sense then so I don't think it will make any sense now and besides he's far too ill to wright books !!!

That version is for court purposes (technical, tailored for defence)
There is always another version hidden away in the closet to be pulled out at convenience.
Criminals always have another version (retrospect version, spin for sensationalisation if you like) that they will spice up to sell their "tell all" book.
Kate's book is perfect example of a retrospect book tailored around the evidence to fit her agenda.

That's one way to earn a living, now that he's not employable.
It really depends though, if the Olympic Organiser will allow him to participate.
Even so, he would require few years of training, and with him being on house arrest he won't have any income, not that he needs it since he's living in his uncle's palatial mansion.

But this type never live simply, they have a lifestyle to maintain, so will need to find alternative way to earn money if normal employment is off limit.

Well I don't think so yet aiyoyo and the book will have to be on hold for now, he's just been found guilty of MURDER !!! YAY. Oh dear he will have a snotty nose again !!!!!!!!!

by Amy Dean 03.12.15 9:23

What a surprise.

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by jozi 03.12.15 9:52

Here it is folks on News 24

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by willowthewisp 03.12.15 14:07

It now finally looks like some sort of justices is to prevail in the new charge of Murder/Manslaughter for Reeva's family and Mr Pistorious will have time to contemplate for the actions he took on the night he decided to shoot four bullets from his gun into a door he knew someone was behind in the bathroom, proven by his testimony.
He may be suffering now with guilt for what he has done to someone he loved, that was the choice he took when he committed the crime. He did not think about whoever was behind the door in his locked abode, which contained only two persons and one is now dead!

by Joss 03.12.15 15:33

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Athletics star Oscar Pistorius has had his culpable homicide conviction over the death of model girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp upgraded to murder.
South Africa's Supreme Court of Appeal today announced its verdict on a bid by prosecutors to have him convicted of murder for killing his girlfriend.
"Guilty of murder, with the accused having criminal intent," judge Eric Leach told the court.

by Liz Eagles 04.12.15 9:30

He'll still serve 3 - 5 years which was my original estimation of the outcome. Where he'll serve those is an entirely different matter - South Africa and all that roll

by plebgate 04.12.15 9:38

About time too. Don't know what the first judge was thinking. IMO it did seem all very weird at the time, letting him take time out for his whining and tears all the time. Disgraceful. Even moved Reeva's body and I can't remember the judge making comment about that. Really weird to me.

I would like to see him do 15 years in prison.

by Liz Eagles 04.12.15 9:44

plebgate wrote:About time too. Don't know what the first judge was thinking. IMO it did seem all very weird at the time, letting him take time out for his whining and tears all the time. Disgraceful. Even moved Reeva's body and I can't remember the judge making comment about that. Really weird to me.

I would like to see him do 15 years in prison.

There will be a storm in a teacup and he'll still serve 3-5 years. The only difference is what he was found guilty of. Once again, where he serves 3-5 will be diluted over a few months.

Why do you think Dewani was never brought to trial in South Africa? think about it.

ETA: There is a lovely bit of promotion for the ANCWL. This is South Africa, one of the most violent places in the world to live and one of the most corrupt countries at every single level.

by Liz Eagles 04.12.15 10:52

South Africa is a place where the police are never to be trusted - no matter your colour, race or creed. It's not the pretty picture that people in the Western world hold/believe. It's time for the Western world to dispel this myth.

You get pulled up by a traffic cop and you really don't know what you're in for. You don't even know if they are real police - but they all carry guns. Police cars are not owned by the police service. Officers have a financial interest in their police car. These would be the same officers who go home to their townships/brotherhoods/families with all its familial ties/hope for a better future/right to earn something reasonably like a decent living and above and beyond all of this is the tie to a TRIBE - see ANC and Zuma with his four wives for evidence of modern day South Africa where he completely bullshits his own people. It's third world.

I lived in South Africa. I had friends in Botswana who ran a farm (Botswana is a bit calmer than South Africa - calmer tribe - although around half of its population are HIV).
I loved Botswana and yet it is now overwhelmed by other tribes and there is an open door African policy to allow it to be swamped by immigrants from other African countries. Botswana is no longer the nice place with a government who gives permission for people to live peacefully (Ian Khama) and have land that they can claim legitimately and freely build a house upon it.

Guns are not allowed in Botswana. If you are found guilty of murder you are hung within 24 hours - that might not sit well in the Western world but it works in Botswana. Sadly, Botswana has now become a milky substance as it's open to immigration. I feel so sorry for the very decent indigenous people living there who have better homes than in the past and keep their traditional ways. Their children go to schools. South African children go to schools too (apartheid never, ever denied education) - except most of the schools in South Africa don't have decent books or even toilets. Forget Oprah's academy in Henley on Klip (I love that place) - her 'stars' are all in America and won't go back to Africa.

I recall going into an office to ask questions about getting a visa to live in South Africa - it took three hours of queuing in the wrong queue packed like sardines into an airless building (welcome to South Africa) - seriously it was really awful. The man who spoke to me yawned and said how he found his job very boring and he was thinking of retiring. This was before he answered a question. He was open to a bribe. I left.

I'm giving my opinion on South Africa - the basket case.

by jozi 04.12.15 12:38

aquila wrote:He'll still serve 3 - 5 years which was my original estimation of the outcome. Where he'll serve those is an entirely different matter - South Africa and all that

Its a minimum of 15 yrs for murder aquila and yes he will get a tougher sentence ....what it will be we have just to wait and see !!!

by Angelique 04.12.15 13:52

Justice for Reeva.

At last.

by Liz Eagles 04.12.15 22:22

jozi wrote:
aquila wrote:He'll still serve 3 - 5 years which was my original estimation of the outcome. Where he'll serve those is an entirely different matter - South Africa and all that
Its a minimum of 15 yrs for murder aquila and yes he will get a tougher sentence ....what it will be we have just to wait and see !!!

He'll still probably only serve 3-5 years of that. He's already served a year (not all of it in jail). There is also something that has yet to be mentioned - having lost a lot of weight he could well be experiencing problems with his prosthetic limbs and need medical attention so I would expect that to be on the agenda soon. I'll be very surprised if Oscar is back in the slammer before Christmas.

ETA: The judiciary need to get a move on if there is any chance of putting Oscar back behind bars before Christmas - the court recess begins on 13th December and is not back until 24th January 2016.

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