Re: About Kate McCann's Appointment on Missing People Website

by russiandoll 12.07.12 9:13

anil39200 wrote:Sorry about the tired and unfunny joke about liverpool. You are right you shouldnt judge a whole population by one person. I got carried away with a humorous series of posts. Unfortunately unless one laughs just a little with all this then one will cry a great deal.no offence was meant. However

I understand anil, I also have cracked jokes in posts. we do I agree need a dark humour to cope with some of what we confront when reading about this case. I made the mistake of visiting jatyk2 recently and came across personal remarks about TBennett, G Amaral and Pat Brown over there, way more insulting and offensive including foul language than what you posted about Liverpool !

by anil39200 12.07.12 9:22

Thanks for that Russian Doll. Yes it may only seem to be a few of them over there judging by the same few names that always appear to post,but they certainly have a curious view of things. The language and manner of their attacks makes it a place to be avoided I would say.

by russiandoll 12.07.12 9:26

pop over now and then simply to see if they are actually debating anything.......it is always a blind acceptance of the parents claims and hatred for anyone who doubts their story. Nothing will change so taking a look seems pointless. A shame the more reasonable pro the parents story won't come here to discuss things reasonably. Could be interesting.

by Guest 12.07.12 9:37

When I became interested in this story and realised that Team McCann's version of events had to be taken with a bucketload of salt, I thought that I must for fairness sake read the pro sites as well. What an eye-opener that was - nothing but hate-filled people hurling insults. On one occasion, a posting of mine in another name from a different site was there for ridicule. I felt quite honoured! I don't look there now though - it's good that they have a place to vent their spleen but for anyone else you feel as if you need to be decontaminated afterwards.

by uppatoffee 12.07.12 9:54

russiandoll wrote:pop over now and then simply to see if they are actually debating anything.......it is always a blind acceptance of the parents claims and hatred for anyone who doubts their story. Nothing will change so taking a look seems pointless. A shame the more reasonable pro the parents story won't come here to discuss things reasonably. Could be interesting.

Why not ask Kololi/me again?

by russiandoll 12.07.12 10:03

Have to admit I was curious about their take on the Birch claims, have looked there on and off over past few days. What I cannot get my head around is their reaction to the complaints about Kate McCann's new ambassadorial role with the missing people charity. I would imagine that a fair proportion of those objecting are not against it because of doubts about the abduction claim, but are, if accepting that allegation , appalled that a charity giving advice on keeping children safe and who have dealings with the police are associating themselves in this way with a woman who has not once publicly urged people not to have the false sense of security she and her husband and friends had during that holiday and who did not comply with a request for a reconstruction from the Portuguese police and who refused to answer questions even when told she was hindering the investigation.
This is why the great majority of the objections are being made imo

by Guest 12.07.12 12:28

russiandoll wrote:pop over now and then simply to see if they are actually debating anything.......it is always a blind acceptance of the parents claims and hatred for anyone who doubts their story. Nothing will change so taking a look seems pointless. A shame the more reasonable pro the parents story won't come here to discuss things reasonably. Could be interesting.

What's to debate? All they have is Tanner. There is no other 'evidence' to support their line is there.

I think those people have simply just decided to support K&G come what may because, though they'd never admit it, they think it was an accident.

It happens in all cases, even Casey Anthony had supporters, in a case that is very similar to MM's. I do find it interesting that many of those supporting the McCanns took a different line on the Anthony case - they declared the dogs were correct in that case but they were wrong in this case.

Their support of K&G is religious. They'll never change their minds now nah

by russiandoll 12.07.12 15:29

of course they won't tcat, but it would be interesting if less rabid individuals with more logic and reason could come and debate the issues here, instead of those who just scream that we have read propaganda in the shape of mistranslated police files etc. A place for this kind of discussion would be a real plus in my eyes, it is a shame positions have become so entrenched. When Textusa on her recent blog described the Maddie case being played out on a football pitch I felt like the poor child was the ball being kicked about. I have to say I hold out little hope of the important issues in this affair being debated sensibly by people with opposing views, as you said so succinctly, the hardline supporters of K and G do act like a cult and they do only have Tanner and that ain't saying much is it ?!

by Guest 12.07.12 17:00

russiandoll wrote: of course they won't tcat, but it would be interesting if less rabid individuals with more logic and reason could come and debate the issues here, instead of those who just scream that we have read propaganda in the shape of mistranslated police files etc. A place for this kind of discussion would be a real plus in my eyes, it is a shame positions have become so entrenched. When Textusa on her recent blog described the Maddie case being played out on a football pitch I felt like the poor child was the ball being kicked about. I have to say I hold out little hope of the important issues in this affair being debated sensibly by people with opposing views, as you said so succinctly, the hardline supporters of K and G do act like a cult and they do only have Tanner and that ain't saying much is it ?!

Brilliant post, you summed it up perfectly I think thumbup

I agree there's little hope (though I'm not sure which issues you mean - they'd just stick to GM's line that there's no evidence any harm has come to Madeleine, and they completely ignore all the evidence of the changing stories of the McCanns and their friends don't they)

Imagine if six members of this forum and six of them were on the same jury - we'd never reach a verdict spin

by Meagain 12.07.12 22:25

Aquilla, I would guess that for people who have never previously been questioned by the Police, the whole affair might be a bit scary and the last thing on your mind would be requesting refreshments and checking to see that the interview room was well ventilated. In that context it may seem odd that she mentions it.

Mrs McCann complained though in her book didn't she, or am I off the mark? By the time she was writing that she was home safe and in her own familiar surroundings so maybe she had time to reflect or maybe she had a spare page or two that she needed to find some words to fill - I truly haven't a clue.

Here, in England, she would have been provided with what she moaned about, simple as, and when one considers some of the stories that hit the press from around the world related to "Police interviewing" I am damn glad we have the standards that we have here generally. I would hope that Portugal and other countries follow our example.

It does seem like a bit of nit picking but surely standards are standards and no, even as a smoker I would not expect a Police person to be puffing around me whilst I was in custody regardless of the country I was in, and if they did light up I actually think it would put the fear of God up me as to how I might be treated.

Surely it protects the Police too by having a code such as PACE. If it is followed and recorded as I believe it is meant to be, treatment is more likely to be fair and humane and there is unlikely to be claims of Police brutality etc etc etc.

K.

by Guest 12.07.12 22:29

Yep, those evil, brutal, beer swigging, sardine munching Portuguese police. Hmmm. How do we know what happened in that police station. Justine McGuiness was there wasn't she, would like to hear her take on things. Perhaps she will write a book someday.

by russiandoll 12.07.12 22:46

whilst I was in custody
kololi....you are not suggesting Kate McCann was in police custody are you?

by Meagain 15.07.12 8:50

In custody - being questioned - detained - helping Police with their enquiries - reporting a crime - take your pick but I still wouldn't want the police station employee puffing smoke up my nose whilst he/she took details - asked questions - filled in forms - whatever task they might be needing to do at the time.

Candyfloss, I have never been disrespectful to the Portuguese Police and choose to keep an open mind purely on the basis as you state it - I wasn't there and neither were you and nor was anybody else on this forum or any other forum. It's the one thing that we all have in common.

by **tigger** 15.07.12 8:59

Meagain wrote:In custody - being questioned - detained - helping Police with their enquiries - reporting a crime - take your pick but I still wouldn't want the police station employee puffing smoke up my nose whilst he/she took details - asked questions - filled in forms - whatever task they might be needing to do at the time.

Candyfloss, I have never been disrespectful to the Portuguese Police and choose to keep an open mind purely on the basis as you state it - I wasn't there and neither were you and nor was anybody else on this forum or any other forum. It's the one thing that we all have in common.

Being questioned isn't the same as being in custody, that was the point Candyfloss made. 'Puffing smoke up my nose' is a huge exaggeration and we only have the word of a woman who has been proved to be economical with the truth on many occasions.
The whole story comes from one person who has an interest in showing the Portuguese police in a bad light.

I'd need concrete evidence before I believe anything Mrs. Kate McCann (or as she is now flying solo) Ms Healy might say. I have no doubt that the Portuguese officer would have extinguished his cigarette if she had asked him to do so.

by Meagain 15.07.12 9:08

I understand the point being made Tigger. I used the wrong word by mistake in my post that was questioned so just covered all eventualities.

I see it as similar to going to have your hair done at the hairdressers and the girl doing yours stops every few moments to puff on her ciggy or you get on a bus and as you pay your fare the driver lets out a perfect smoke ring. I wilould be pissed off enough, in both scenarios, to tell them to pack it in.

Even as a smoker, I do no think that within a workplace I have the right to subject non smoking colleagues or members of the public needing to access the organisation to my smoke. On that basis it could be Kate McCann, Tony Bennett, yourself or the devil himself moaning about this issue as she did and I would think - fair comment.

K.

by Woofer 15.07.12 9:09

Surely if one`s kid was missing, the environment of the police station would be the last thing a person would find to complain about - surely you`d just want to help the officers find your child (smoking or not).

by Meagain 15.07.12 9:39

Woofer wrote:Surely if one`s kid was missing, the environment of the police station would be the last thing a person would find to complain about - surely you`d just want to help the officers find your child (smoking or not).

I did say similar in an earlier post Woofer. The smoking, however, would possibly have either scared me witless or I would have been green with envy because I would have been too scared to smoke under the circumstances if I was in her shoes.

by russiandoll 15.07.12 10:24

meagain /kololi
I stand to be corrected, but did Kate not describe the scene shortly after entering the police station, police wearing t -shirts standing around /seated at desks maybe, doing their work, chatting and smoking ?
Nowhere in her book do I recall her describing any detective smoking while she was being interviewed.

by **tigger** 15.07.12 10:39

Meagain wrote:
Woofer wrote:Surely if one`s kid was missing, the environment of the police station would be the last thing a person would find to complain about - surely you`d just want to help the officers find your child (smoking or not).

I did say similar in an earlier post Woofer. The smoking, however, would possibly have either scared me witless or I would have been green with envy because I would have been too scared to smoke under the circumstances if I was in her shoes.

This is a fairly pointless discussion, but I've always understood that smoking is particularly helpful in times of stress. Personally, although I smoke a total of about twenty cigarettes a year, I'd have needed the comfort.

by anil39200 15.07.12 15:57

Received a response to an email to Missing People about the appointment of ambassador. They said they were 'non judgmental' about the circumstances of missing people, that Kate Mccann had 'formalised' her relationship with the charity and that they wete delighted for her 'time and energy'. Interesting ad I thought her time and energy was focussed on the 'search' for her daughter. It is also worth noting that a person in a 'deep depression' generally has no energy.Just a thought.
I continued to reply by asking other questions about suitability and the possible effect on their charity but have received no further reply.

by anil39200 15.07.12 16:01

Woofer wrote:Surely if one`s kid was missing, the environment of the police station would be the last thing a person would find to complain about - surely you`d just want to help the officers find your child (smoking or not).

Unless of course the comment wss mafe to emphasize the smearing of the police in question, making them look bad to the, British public who have now had to get used to no smoking in public buildings. thumbsup

by Woofer 15.07.12 16:47

anil39200 wrote:Received a response to an email to Missing People about the appointment of ambassador. They said they were 'non judgmental' about the circumstances of missing people, that Kate Mccann had 'formalised' her relationship with the charity and that they wete delighted for her 'time and energy'. Interesting ad I thought her time and energy was focussed on the 'search' for her daughter. It is also worth noting that a person in a 'deep depression' generally has no energy.Just a thought.
I continued to reply by asking other questions about suitability and the possible effect on their charity but have received no further reply.

This sounds like the standard letter they`re dishing out - someone else had one similar. Probably prepared in advance of complaints.

by Guest 15.07.12 16:54

Yes, this standard reply has been posted on the "Open letter to trustees" topic. I would like to think that the contents of letters and e-mails are read before being shredded but I'm not hopeful.

I believe that Kate also said in the book that Yvonne Martin reeked of alcohol and cigarettes (which if true I certainly wouldn't like) but there may of course be other reasons why she didn't want to deal with her.

by anil39200 15.07.12 17:32

That sounds pretty rich coming from someone in a group which haf alledgedly consumed copious amounts of wine at the dimner table in less than two hours.

by Guest 15.07.12 17:33

I am trying to trace the source of my last comment as it does not appear in the book. It is something that predates the book and I will try to find it. It stuck in my mind because it's something I would not like.

by Spaniel 15.07.12 18:03

candyfloss wrote:Yep, those evil, brutal, beer swigging, sardine munching Portuguese police. Hmmm. How do we know what happened in that police station. Justine McGuiness was there wasn't she, would like to hear her take on things. Perhaps she will write a book someday.

KM walked into the police station with a British Embassy official. She also had her lawyer present. She and her husband had also received prior notice that they would be interviewed.

Justine stood outside to receive KM's texts.

Weigh all that up and still the madam complains.

by Guest 15.07.12 18:04

Jean wrote:I am trying to trace the source of my last comment as it does not appear in the book. It is something that predates the book and I will try to find it. It stuck in my mind because it's something I would not like.

I think it is in her book, but she was not talking about Yvonne Martin...

A British woman in her late forties or early fifties turned up on our veranda and kept trying to put her arm round me. She was quite drunk and smelt of cigarettes and I remember willing her to go away. Then a lady appeared on a balcony and, in a plummy voice, inquired: "Can someone tell me what all the noise is about'"

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/49may11/TIMES_08_05_2011.htm

by Guest 15.07.12 18:09

Spaniel wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Yep, those evil, brutal, beer swigging, sardine munching Portuguese police. Hmmm. How do we know what happened in that police station. Justine McGuiness was there wasn't she, would like to hear her take on things. Perhaps she will write a book someday.
KM walked into the police station with a British Embassy official. She also had her lawyer present. She and her husband had also received prior notice that they would be interviewed.

Justine stood outside to receive KM's texts.

Weigh all that up and still the madam complains.

she was inside with her as was a friend Trish,

BILTON: Kate McCann is at the station for 13 hours, but from inside she and Trish text out updates. Even at this point the message is being controlled.

McGUINNESS: We were a bit naughty because we did have messages coming out of the police station which we weren't supposed to...

BILTON: How did that work.. what, the text messages?

McGUINNESS: Yeah.
BILTON: And were the texts saying? Talk us through.
McGUINNESS: Sort of updates from things that were happening.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

What about the secrecy laws?

by **Nina** 15.07.12 18:13

candyfloss wrote:
Spaniel wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Yep, those evil, brutal, beer swigging, sardine munching Portuguese police. Hmmm. How do we know what happened in that police station. Justine McGuiness was there wasn't she, would like to hear her take on things. Perhaps she will write a book someday.
KM walked into the police station with a British Embassy official. She also had her lawyer present. She and her husband had also received prior notice that they would be interviewed.

Justine stood outside to receive KM's texts.

Weigh all that up and still the madam complains.

she was inside with her as was a friend Trish,

BILTON: Kate McCann is at the station for 13 hours, but from inside she and Trish text out updates. Even at this point the message is being controlled.

McGUINNESS: We were a bit naughty because we did have messages coming out of the police station which we weren't supposed to...
BILTON: How did that work.. what, the text messages?
McGUINNESS: Yeah.
BILTON: And were the texts saying? Talk us through.
McGUINNESS: Sort of updates from things that were happening.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

What about the secrecy laws?

Just like a set of silly mouthy schoolgirls thinking they are big and clever.

by Guest 15.07.12 18:15

Thanks for the quote Candyfloss about the less than fragrant visitor on the veranda. That could well be it, it sounds much as I remember it. I wonder who that woman was - assuming she existed - and why she was never heard of at the time as a potential witness.