book

by rainbow-fairy 12.09.11 20:07

Invinoveritas wrote: This is a rough translation from a comment in Daniela´s book, we could add the White House, the European Parliament etc. They don´t live in our world (my comment). They think that they are untouchable.

Which book is that, invinoveritas?

by Invinoveritas 12.09.11 20:33

rainbow-fairy wrote:
Invinoveritas wrote: This is a rough translation from a comment in Daniela´s book, we could add the White House, the European Parliament etc. They don´t live in our world (my comment). They think that they are untouchable.
Which book is that, invinoveritas?

rainbow-fairy, the book is from a german psychologist, it is only available in german,

Analyse des Vermisstenfalles Madeleine Mccann from Daniela Prousa ISBN 978-3-86553-353-1

her hypothesis is that Madeleine died in the holiday flat and Kate covered up the death, hid the body in a cupboard in the parents´bedroom and this is why she didn´t take part in the "search" for the girl but sat on the bed to keep the searchers out of the bedroom, she also suggests that Gerry was unaware of this initially which (in my opinion) could be a reason for the contradictions in their initial statements

by rainbow-fairy 12.09.11 21:28

Invinoveritas wrote: This is a rough translation from a comment in Daniela´s book, we could add the White House, the European Parliament etc. They don´t live in our world (my comment). They think that they are untouchable.

Which book is that, invinoveritas?

by lj 12.09.11 21:31

rainbow-fairy wrote:
lj wrote:So true, rainbow-fairy and PeterMac, even now.
Confession is a good thought, but whilst they're still spouting the same old 'it was like dining in you backyard-we've-done-nothing-wrong' type lines, TBH I don't think the odds are good!
Dunno about yours, but my 'backyard' doesn't have a swimming pool (I wish!), nor does it have Tom, Dick, Harry and Albert wandering through it either!
Chumps.

Apart from that, in the time my kids were the age of Madeleine and the twins I would take a babyfoon, or baby monitor with me all the time.

by lj 12.09.11 21:35

Invinoveritas wrote:Taken together with their visit to the Pope, as well as the received donations amounting to several million pounds sterling Kate and Gerald McCann have in their denial of the death of their little daughter developed a new reality , from which there is no return for them: the immense shame in the case of a public confession of their incomparable deceiving of the world would probably be even greater than their perceived fault, not to have been there (at the decisive moment) for Madeleine.

This is a rough translation from a comment in Daniela´s book, we could add the White House, the European Parliament etc. They don´t live in our world (my comment). They think that they are untouchable.

Yes, I think it's safe to say that a confession now is not very likely.

And if ever they will be confronted with undeniable proof of their deceit we will hear 2 things over and over again: "we did it for the twins" and, "we did not arrange any of that, it was all family and other people who wanted to help, and we did not know how to stop that".

by rainbow-fairy 12.09.11 21:50

Invinoveritas wrote:
rainbow-fairy wrote:
Invinoveritas wrote: This is a rough translation from a comment in Daniela´s book, we could add the White House, the European Parliament etc. They don´t live in our world (my comment). They think that they are untouchable.
Which book is that, invinoveritas?

rainbow-fairy, the book is from a german psychologist, it is only available in german,

Analyse des Vermisstenfalles Madeleine Mccann from Daniela Prousa ISBN 978-3-86553-353-1

her hypothesis is that Madeleine died in the holiday flat and Kate covered up the death, hid the body in a cupboard in the parents´bedroom and this is why she didn
´t take part in the "search" for the girl but sat on the bed to keep the searchers out of the bedroom, she also suggests that Gerry was unaware of this initially which (in my opinion) could be a reason for the contradictions in their initial statements

Thanks, invinoveritas! I hadn't heard of the book, shame its only in German, I know a bit but I don't think my high school level German would cope with that!
Her hypothesis certainly sounds plausible to me, definitely.

Dunno why my post went twice, thinks it's because phone lost signal halfway through? Sorry bout that! :-)

by HFS 14.09.11 10:51

Invinoveritas wrote:
rainbow-fairy wrote:
Invinoveritas wrote: This is a rough translation from a comment in Daniela´s book, we could add the White House, the European Parliament etc. They don´t live in our world (my comment). They think that they are untouchable.
Which book is that, invinoveritas?

rainbow-fairy, the book is from a german psychologist, it is only available in german,

Analyse des Vermisstenfalles Madeleine Mccann from Daniela Prousa ISBN 978-3-86553-353-1

her hypothesis is that Madeleine died in the holiday flat and Kate covered up the death, hid the body in a cupboard in the parents´bedroom and this is why she didn´t take part in the "search" for the girl but sat on the bed to keep the searchers out of the bedroom, she also suggests that Gerry was unaware of this initially which (in my opinion) could be a reason for the contradictions in their initial statements

Shame it's in German, I can't read that.
How likely is this theory considering many people searched the apartment, including the cupboards. Did anybody say (like the GNR) that they weren't allowed to enter the bedroom?

by jd 14.09.11 11:01

It is interesting to observe that KM doesn't seem to be involved much with caring for Maddie, it was GM that put her to bed, it was GM that was checking on her, it was GM who last saw her. A friend was even sent up to check KM was alright when she as alone with the kids. It feels like prior to the abduction story timeline, KM has been kept away from having anything in the statements which puts her doing anything with Maddie except for when she had disappeared. Wonder if this is the guilt of the truth they have purposely kept her away in their story

by Invinoveritas 14.09.11 11:25

good question jd,

I wonder myself why this was as you describe, some times I think Madeleine never saw the light of day on the 3rd and that the strong man (Gerry) took over with the organisation of the disposal of the body, the records for his whereabouts on the 3rd are very scanty.

by jd 14.09.11 11:47

Not only did GM clearly take control, but it seems orchestrated that there could be nothing in the statements that could be aligned to KM being involved in some kind of accident

I think Maddie died 30th April-1st May

by rainbow-fairy 14.09.11 18:38

jd wrote:It is interesting to observe that KM doesn't seem to be involved much with caring for Maddie, it was GM that put her to bed, it was GM that was checking on her, it was GM who last saw her. A friend was even sent up to check KM was alright when she as alone with the kids. It feels like prior to the abduction story timeline, KM has been kept away from having anything in the statements which puts her doing anything with Maddie except for when she had disappeared. Wonder if this is the guilt of the truth they have purposely kept her away in their story

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you are right, jd. kate always seems very cold, no proper maternal emotions towards Maddie OR the twins. It's almost eerie how detached she seems at times.

by sonic72 12.09.12 21:49

Even the McScamm's said themselves 'We've let her down' so at the very least they should be charged with neglect.

C'mon Scotland Yard, you've wasted a lot of our tax money on this, we're banking on you coming up with something good for Maddy. We also want a complete breakdown of where ALL the millions
£££ have gone, this includes money spent on your 'review' and all the money that the McCann's have received.

by sonic72 12.09.12 21:53

Hilary wrote:

No, I don't believe there was not someone crying and calling 'Daddy!' or 'Maddie!' for well over an hour one evening; there is no good reason to disbelieve Mrs Fenn; as I recall, concerns were raised with the parents by Ocean club staff that the children were unattended and crying, as a result of a resident's complaint. It was perhaps that evening that an accident befell Madeleine, and it was the twins crying for her? Or possibly it was Kate crying Madeleine's name in grief...Either way someone was crying for 'Daddy' or 'Maddie' and possibly no-one saw Madeleine after that episode - it's only the creche records which offer a confused possibility that she was there the following day, no absolute memory from other people? What I don't believe is that a breakfast conversation about crying in the night ever took place with Madeleine. I think that was invented a lot later to place Madeleine at breakfast, alive and well, on the morning the conversation supposedly took place.

Perhaps the crying was an injured maddie, and when they got to her it was too late?

by **Nina** 13.09.12 9:54

sonic72 wrote:
Hilary wrote:

No, I don't believe there was not someone crying and calling 'Daddy!' or 'Maddie!' for well over an hour one evening; there is no good reason to disbelieve Mrs Fenn; as I recall, concerns were raised with the parents by Ocean club staff that the children were unattended and crying, as a result of a resident's complaint. It was perhaps that evening that an accident befell Madeleine, and it was the twins crying for her? Or possibly it was Kate crying Madeleine's name in grief...Either way someone was crying for 'Daddy' or 'Maddie' and possibly no-one saw Madeleine after that episode - it's only the creche records which offer a confused possibility that she was there the following day, no absolute memory from other people? What I don't believe is that a breakfast conversation about crying in the night ever took place with Madeleine. I think that was invented a lot later to place Madeleine at breakfast, alive and well, on the morning the conversation supposedly took place.

Perhaps the crying was an injured maddie, and when they got to her it was too late?

Mrs Fenn said that the crying got more and more desperate then suddenly stopped when she heard the terrace door slide open. She thought it was the parents returning but I have always thought it was someone leaving. She said there was no other sound. A child crying to that level doesn't just stop and is then silent, they wind down and often even start again. They certainly would not be silent, unless they were unconscious.

by rainbow-fairy 14.09.12 18:36

Nina wrote:
sonic72 wrote:
Hilary wrote:

No, I don't believe there was not someone crying and calling 'Daddy!' or 'Maddie!' for well over an hour one evening; there is no good reason to disbelieve Mrs Fenn; as I recall, concerns were raised with the parents by Ocean club staff that the children were unattended and crying, as a result of a resident's complaint. It was perhaps that evening that an accident befell Madeleine, and it was the twins crying for her? Or possibly it was Kate crying Madeleine's name in grief...Either way someone was crying for 'Daddy' or 'Maddie' and possibly no-one saw Madeleine after that episode - it's only the creche records which offer a confused possibility that she was t
here the following day, no absolute memory from other people? What I don't believe is that a breakfast conversation about crying in the night ever took place with Madeleine. I think that was invented a lot later to place Madeleine at breakfast, alive and well, on the morning the conversation supposedly took place.

Perhaps the crying was an injured maddie, and when they got to her it was too late?

Mrs Fenn said that the crying got more and more desperate then suddenly stopped when she heard the terrace door slide open. She thought it was the parents returning but I have always thought it was someone leaving. She said there was no other sound. A child crying to that level doesn't just stop and is then silent, they wind down and often even start again. They certainly would not be silent, unless they were unconscious.

Agree with all you have said Nina :)

by Guest 15.09.12 10:45

rainbow-fairy wrote:
Nina wrote:
sonic72 wrote:
Hilary wrote:

No, I don't believe there was not someone crying and calling 'Daddy!' or 'Maddie!' for well over an hour one evening; there is no good reason to disbelieve Mrs Fenn; as I recall, concerns were raised with the parents by Ocean club staff that the children were unattended and crying, as a result of a resident's complaint. It was perhaps that evening that an accident befell Madeleine, and it was the twins crying for her? Or possibly it was Kate crying Madeleine's name in grief...Either way someone was crying for 'Daddy' or 'Maddie' and possibly no-one saw Madeleine after that episode - it's only the creche records which offer a confused possibility that she was t
here the following day, no absolute memory from other people? What I don't believe is that a breakfast conversation about crying in the night ever took place with Madeleine. I think that was invented a lot later to place Madeleine at breakfast, alive and well, on the morning the conversation supposedly took place.

Perhaps the crying was an injured maddie, and when they got to her it was too late?

I've been thnking along the same lines: the crying stopped when the cause of it, or the person causing it left, instead of entered. He/she could have left talking the child, drugged, abused, gagged, unconscious or what have you with him/her.

I don't have the time schedules at hand of the various absences of the Tapasniks due to purported illness, stomach pains or diarrhea, on the subsequent nights from april 28th; can anybody fill me in on the name of the absentee on the night mrs. Fenn heard the crying?
Thank you.

Mrs Fenn said that the crying got more and more desperate then suddenly stopped when she heard the terrace door slide open. She thought it was the parents returning but I have always thought it was someone leaving. She said there was no other sound. A child crying to that level doesn't just stop and is then silent, they wind down and often even start again. They certainly would not be silent, unless they were unconscious.
Agree with all you have said Nina :)