Re: Jane Tanner Liar?

by Perelli Tue 05 Jan 2010, 9:04 am

Ruby wrote:A new day has begun. How about moving on?

Absolutely, here's hoping you will have a good one bashful

by aliberte2 Tue 05 Jan 2010, 4:28 pm

Ruby wrote:I would if said child had disappeared.

What have you got instead of a heart?

But it Wasn't a McCann who Ripped It - it Was one of the Friends Who Were Searching for a Piece of Paper to Write Down the Timeline To Try and Figure Out When the Missing Child Could Have Went Missing -- Far More Important than Saving a 99 Cent Sticker Book.

by vaguely Tue 05 Jan 2010, 4:56 pm

Ruby wrote:I would if said child had disappeared.

What have you got instead of a heart?

If said child had disappeared I would suggest that everybody had something better to worry about than whether or not a travel sticker book belonged to a child or not. Had they of ripped up a favoured storybook or defaced a photograph of her then I'd take your point.

It is not heartless to tear the cover off of a travel sticker book. I have children. I have travel sticker books. After a day of having them they'd not even notice them going missing.

by aliberte2 Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:00 pm

Indeed. It's Just Another Supposed Evidence of a Black Heart or Something. Too Many of my Fellow Antis Seem to Think that "Why" -- that the McCanns were Involved in Pedophila, Were Mean, Mean to Madeleine, As Evidenced By Other People Ripping Off Sticker Book Covers to Write Timelines About Missing Children On -- Answers Who, What, When, and How.

by Old Nick Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:02 pm

My travel sticker books are very dear to my heart.

by littlepixie Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:03 pm

To me there was something very wrong in them writing that time-line in the first place with their little girl being God knows where.
Was it written to help the Police or to help themselves get off a neglect charge.

by vaguely Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:07 pm

littlepixie wrote:To me there was something very wrong in them writing that time-line in the first place with their little girl being God knows where.
Was it written to help the Police or to help themselves get off a neglect charge.

Writing a time would have been recommended. It's not a strange thing to do. They wouldn't be able to piece the evening together verbally. Too many people.

by littlepixie Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:08 pm

Depends when it was written. If it was before the Police arrived what the hell were they doing all sitting down collaborating and not searching.

by aliberte2 Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:09 pm

littlepixie wrote:To me there was something very wrong in them writing that time-line in the first place with their little girl being God knows where.
Was it written to help the Police or to help themselves get off a neglect charge.

Really? You think Its Strange That When a Child Went Missing People Tried to Determine When That Child Would Have Been Most Likely to Have Been Vulnerable By Retracing Their Movements?

It's Not Strange. And they Were Never Going to Prosecuted For Neglect.

by littlepixie Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:10 pm

I think it strange them sat round a table not out searching yes.

by aliberte2 Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:11 pm

littlepixie wrote:Depends when it was written. If it was before the Police arrived what the hell were they doing all sitting down collaborating and not searching.

If People Believed She was Abducted, a Timeline Would Have Been Essential to Determine How Far Away an Abductor Had Gone. Even If They Were Hoping She Had Woke and Wandering, Again, a Quick Timeline Would have Been Essential To Determine How Far She'd Gotten.

It was Actually Quite Rational and No Doubt the Work of One of the Friends, Trying to Keep Everything Under Control. It was Not Done by the McCanns Themselves.

by aliberte2 Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:12 pm

littlepixie wrote:I think it strange them sat round a table not out searching yes.

Why Not Take Five Minutes to Narrow Down the Search Area and Gives People Ideas of Where She Might Be Than Just Scream and Panic and Run Around like Chickens With Their Heads Cut Off?

by vaguely Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:12 pm

in relation to heartless: If a child has died or has been missing for a period of time - then everything they own is precious, even ridiculous throwaway stuff such as said sticker book. But precious to the parent, not to the child that is missing or no longer alive. But I think that's part of a long term process and involves grief and memories.

At the point that the book was used there was a crisis going on. Completely different situation and completely different sentiments.

by vaguely Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:14 pm

littlepixie wrote:I think it strange them sat round a table not out searching yes.

I don't know how it works in Port, but over here the parents (or the mother) wouldn't have been out searching. The police wouldn't let them.

edited to correct country

by littlepixie Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:17 pm

They wouldnt have stopped me if my little girl was missing.

Anyway, was the timeline written before the Police got there?

by aliberte2 Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:21 pm

littlepixie wrote:They wouldnt have stopped me if my little girl was missing.

Anyway, was the timeline written before the Police got there?

Actually, From Your Description of How You Think They Should Have Reacted, You Would have Been Useless. And Yes, they Would Have Stopped You, they Would Jail you If They Had to, Post Guards at Your House, If They Had to.

Yes, I Believe It was Written Before the Police Got There.

None of This is At All Relevant to How The McCanns Moved the Body or How Madeleine Died, However.

by vaguely Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:21 pm

littlepixie wrote:They wouldnt have stopped me if my little girl was missing.

Anyway, was the timeline written before the Police got there?

Littlepixie, with respect - and you may well speak from experience, but I don't think that ANY of us can comment on the way we would behave if our children went missing.

There is a reason why the police discourage immediate family from joining a search.

by aliberte2 Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:23 pm

vaguely wrote:

There is a reason why the police discourage immediate family from joining a search.

Yes, and It's Because of the Reason So Many of My Fellow Antis Feel is Evidence Of the McCanns' Guilt - It's Statistically Likely that the Parents or a Parent or Close Friend Was Involved.

ETA: And to Prevent a Parent or Close Loved One from Coming Across a Dreadful Scene.

by Perelli Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:25 pm

littlepixie wrote:They wouldnt have stopped me if my little girl was missing.

Anyway, was the timeline written before the Police got there?

Well, maybe not everyone beleives that they are better than the police at searching for missing people, the primary concern for most would have been to be of assistance to those who were trying to organise the search effort. In many countries the police don't even accept volunteers from the public to be involved in searches as they don't want untrained people trampling around and possibly destroying vital clues or evidence that could lead to the whereabouts of the person that is missing.

by Guest Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:32 pm

littlepixie the timeline was written while the police was present. The men and some of the women have been searching (including Kate). It's all in the files.

by aliberte2 Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:38 pm

Molly wrote:littlepixie the timeline was written while the police was present. The men and some of the women have been searching (including Kate). It's all in the files.

Yet Another Anti Myth that Had No Purpose Than to Provide an Opportunity to Gossip Debunked. More Credibility Down the Tube.

by Guest Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:40 pm

Molly wrote:littlepixie the timeline was written while the police was present. The men and some of the women have been searching (including Kate). It's all in the files.

She actually said in an interview with Jane Hill, that she hadn't been searching.

by Guest Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:50 pm

candyfloss wrote:
Molly wrote:littlepixie the timeline was written while the police was present. The men and some of the women have been searching (including Kate). It's all in the files.

She actually said in an interview with Jane Hill, that she hadn't been searching.

Can't recall the context of that remark in the interview. But she's been outside the apartment, searching for Madeleine, calling her name. Don't know for how long though. It's really all in the files.

by littlepixie Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:53 pm

Jail me, post guards at my house!!

OK.

by Guest Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:57 pm

Molly wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
Molly wrote:littlepixie the timeline was written while the police was present. The men and some of the women have been searching (including Kate). It's all in the files.

She actually said in an interview with Jane Hill, that she hadn't been searching.

Can't recall the context of that remark in the interview. But she's been outside the apartment, searching for Madeleine, calling her name. Don't know for how long though. It's really all in the files.

Don't think so, and could you please provide a link to where she said this in the files, I haven't read that.

Here is what she said to Jane Hill on the You Tube interview: thanks to the mccannfilesThe first interview with Jane Hill from the BBC - 25 May 2007

This interview is interesting as it is the first interview given by the McCanns after the disappearance of Madeleine. They had previously only given short, scripted statements.

Perhaps the most revealing question in the interview is this one:

Jane Hill: "I met people who didn't go to work for more than a week because everyday they were down on the beach, searching the streets. Did you, as a mother Kate, just sometimes think 'I've got to go and be out there with them. I want to go and just physically look as well."

Kate: (Pause) I mean, I did. Errm... (Long Pause) Errm, we'd been working really hard really. Apart... I mean, the first 48 hours, as Gerry said, are incredibly difficult and we were almost non-functioning, I'd say, errm, but after that you get strength from somewhere. We've certainly had loads of support and that's given us strength and its been able to make us focus really so we have actually, in our own way, it might not be physically searching but we've been working really hard and doing absolutely everything we can, really, to get Madeleine back."

ETA Note "it might not be physically searching"

by littlepixie Tue 05 Jan 2010, 5:59 pm

In their own way, not physically searching - still as shocking today.

by **Jill Havern** Tue 05 Jan 2010, 6:00 pm

by Ruby Tue 05 Jan 2010, 6:02 pm

i hope that settles that.

not likely on here, mind.

by Guest Tue 05 Jan 2010, 6:03 pm

jkh wrote:

Thanks Jill, I posted the transcription, still haven't mastered putting up the actual video, and after all "vaguely's" and others help. :oops:

ETA Oops I think I have just added a new word to the english language "transcription" - I think I meant transcript.

by aliberte2 Tue 05 Jan 2010, 6:08 pm

littlepixie wrote:Jail me, post guards at my house!!

OK.

If You don't Follow Police Orders? Yes.

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