What was so special about Burgau?

Hello everyone hope you had a lovley time best wishes to all for 2012.

Because some of you here are so efficient at finding data, may I suggest looking up the marriage records of Dorsett, Devon and Summerset because I'm pretty sure I looked these up in 2008 and came up with a marriage record between a Tanner and Eveliegh.

Robert Murats mother was an Evelieght before she married.

The names Tanner and Evelieght seemed of West country origin, thats why I looked them up.

Could the hairs found with DNA of Murat and Tanner belong to one person rather than two people, one person with a genetic link to both parties of the Tanner and Eveleight bond of marriage in the family?

Not sure about the spelling of the name Evelieght, but I know Ralph (Roberts Murat's uncle) owns a Villa called Salsalito in Burgau with his wife Sally, Ralph Evelieght an Engineer by trade and he also has links with the old Fort in Praia da Luz Jazz group that play in the Old Fort Garden, that which is so close to the church where Gerry and Kate sought refuge to pray

Interesting is that a young blonde woman matching the same ID as the one in the Polish couple and the blonde middle aged female Jaz singer in the Old Fort Jaz group were both seen enjoying a drink in Ralph Eveleight's Villa, they were shown in an advert of the villa in the bar back in 2007.

So maybe there is a closer link with Jane Tanner and the Evelight family than just acquaintances? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Monkey mind, thanks for the mtdna explanation, very clear ad makes sense. I wondered how significant it was and it seems to be very important but glossed over.

Not sure If you read back through this thread, but there is another link between Murat and the apartment in burgau - this is from page 12 or 13 on this thread...

Stewie wrote:this may have already be known but there is a link between Robert Murat and the Solimar apartments, apart from the DNA potentially being his..

The Jacinto e Murat company which his father started built the apartment and there are some rumours that the block is or was managed by their real estate arm..
Looking at their website, it is pretty poor with crude cartoons and is very amateur looking. The links below show their website and the link tothe Solimar apartments on their website.

If you look at the source code for the first link (choose view then source on your browser) there is an interesting keyword in the page which basically means if people search using any of the keywords their site should be returned in the search results.. and one of the keywords is "sex"... not sure how common that is for websites to have in their keywords - I'd expect to find algarve, golf etc but probably not sex.. maybe burgau is special for special kinds of holidays?

"KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances, holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praia, praias, Travel, water, sports, holiday, beach, Architectural projects, Real Estate, paradise, sex, golf "


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The last few posts starting with Monkey Mind are very interesting indeed. Lets not forget also that Murat was in Devon less than a mile from tanners house a week prior to the holiday, alleging to see his sister who apparently ran an adoption agency

TrollAng wrote:I saw a dog or cat too Nina but I can't see any way the picture was taken on that balcony. I think the wall is an outside wall and the thing over her head is either a windchime or crucifix. The blue chair behind Madeleine is the wrong colour and shape for the furniture on the balcony. But I do think that the Ice Cream picture could well have been taken there, same shade of floor tiles and patio furniture.

Although the wall is similar colour and blue can turn out in different shades depending on light exposure as well. Despite these coincidences I dont think the photo is taken at that balcony.

Make up pic of a child is very normal for family album, nothing wrong with it per se, but in the context of her disappearance where her parents vehemently insisted that she was taken by paedophile then it is a stupid idea to release that pic.
Arent they worried about the impact of that photo to the pervert who held her?

I have never personally come across a child at that tender age heavily make up.
An older child messing about with certain cosmetics one at time usually starting with lipstick because easiest to apply yes I have seen quite a few tried out lipsticks that but never heavy eyes shadow because that is perhaps the most difficult to apply even for adult so for a child Maddie age to have applied it so thickly and spread out it's near impossible.

Although I personally don't see much anything into the pic, my view still stands that it is one hell of an inappropriate pic to circulate, not because of the P connotation, but because her eyes are very disturbing.

One poster pointed out her eyes are creepily heavy which I didnt agree at first, but on repeated looking, they do look disturbingly heavy and sad as if she's about to doze off any min. It's just madness to circulate a pic like that even for innocence reason. Surely there are many happy pics of her that they can use instead.

Sijm said "Could the hairs found with DNA of Murat and Tanner belong to one person rather than two people, one person with a genetic link to both parties of the Tanner and Eveleight bond of marriage in the family?"

No, the samples represent two separate people with two distinct maternal lines.

Stewie, yes thanks, just went through the whole thread this evening. I thought it very interesting that that particular website had lain untouched for a number of years and then has four updates from the middle of May 2007 til the end. Another one of them thar coincidees!

monkey mind wrote:Stewie, yes thanks, just went through the whole thread this evening. I thought it very interesting that that particular website had lain untouched for a number of years and then has four updates from the middle of May 2007 til the end. Another one of them thar coincidees!

Quote from page 13
I remember that being discussed on 3A. Wasn't there other key words such as "girl" and "boy"? Very strange way of advertising a holiday apartment. I book privately owned apartments and villas every year and I think if one of the key words for the website was sex, I would skim over it and choose another place to stay.

littlepixie unquote.

I just thought to add this, I expect any proof of this is long gone?

Gillyspot wrote:By the way where does the website get its TAGs from. I have checked view source (which is usual way to hide tags) and these words are not there.



Just as an aside I have checked on whoisdomain and although the website was set up in 1997 it only had multiple changes (i e was updated) from 15th May 2007.



We have 27 historical whois records for jacinto-murat.pt.
Here is a complete list of dates that we have whois records for.

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2007 2007-05-15 2007-05-20 2007-05-25 2007-05-26 2007-09-20

2008 2008-01-03 2008-05-08 2008-09-16 2008-10-21

2009 2009-01-03 2009-02-14 2009-04-22 2009-07-13 2009-09-29 2009-11-25

2010 2010-01-18 2010-01-25 2010-01-27 2010-03-28 2010-05-27 2010-07-23 2010-09-15 2010-11-09 2010-12-30

2011 2011-02-24 2011-05-20 2011-07-29

Odd or what since Murat was aguido at that time.

Tigger, yes I found that very interesting particularly wehn you put it alongside this post by Gillyspot and the four changes in May 2007 begining when Murat was made aguido. I'm afraid I know nothing about websites. I don't suppose there is anyway of going back through some internet archive or other and comparing changes from say 14/5/07 to 15/5/07 and the changes throughout that month? I suppose if it were it would have been done already...

Could the hairs found with DNA of Murat and Tanner belong to one person
rather than two people, one person with a genetic link to both parties
of the Tanner and Eveleight bond of marriage in the family?

No, the hairs can only be tested for the maternal line from the sample. In order to establish both the MtDNA (maternal) and Y DNA (Paternal) you need to take a sample from the supposed father of the sample of the woman to match them since the female automatically carries the MtDNA but not the Y DNA. In men they carry both MtDNA and YDNA. The problem with mtDNA is that the group that their hairs have been linked to are too vague. There are only 7 maternal lineages throughout the whole world. Basically any two individuals that share the same haplogroup does not necessarily link them at that particular time (unfortunately) since millions upon millions of people share the same haplogroups the world over. It's especially difficult to link people in Europe since there is such a huge admixture of types. If they were able to delve further and test further to a particular subclade they would have needed to gather either buccal swab or blood, saliva, semen etc which would determine which subclade which further narrows down the sample. However even this is still too vague. For example I belong to Haplogroup H, then to subclade H1, however as far as I am aware, so does 49% or so of the population tested in Portugal and Spain and also about a third of North Africans, Sardinians, Basques, Scandinavians, French, quite a large proportion of Brits, some Middle East and then US, Australia, etc............... so there you go, it's too vague to predict if certain people were or were not at the scene of a crime by using this method. Unfortunately coincidental or not it's sadly not anything to get too excited about......

There is this search machine that will let you view websites at different stages of their 'life' so to speak, just put the url in the box and away you go.

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From the forensic report in the files:

- The Haplotype identified by the letter S, present in 2 samples, (apartment in Burgau), and identical to that of Jane Michelle Tanner (JT), meaning those samples were from that person or individuals of the same maternal bloodline.

I think the official report clearly states there is a possibility that the hairs may have belonged to Jane Tanner.

It seems I may have been unintentionally misleading in my earlier post. Genuine apologies. Don't believe everything a neurologist told you 18 years ago, or if you do, make sure you have the entire story. Perhaps I did back then. Anyway, I didn't mean to mislead, will be more careful in future.

Admin, might be best to whoosh that earlier post of mine, page 18. Sorry about that....

monkey mind wrote:It seems I may have been unintentionally misleading in my earlier post. Genuine apologies. Don't believe everything a neurologist told you 18 years ago, or if you do, make sure you have the entire story. Perhaps I did back then. Anyway, I didn't mean to mislead, will be more careful in future.

Admin, might be best to whoosh that earlier post of mine, page 18. Sorry about that....

I cannot see a problem with that post monkey mind, after all, it is just your interpretation.

Thanks for the tip on the web archiving tool Bristow.. it's revealed some interesting finds...

I put the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] url into the archiving tool and found some interesting keywords.. including the reference to boys and girls that was mentioned in previous posts.

The first archive for the landing page is 22 Jan 1998 and nothing particularly interesting in the keywords..
Next archive is 1 Dec 1998 and some interesting keywords have appeared:

"-- META TOP --META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda"META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="holiday appartments in Algarve Portugal Europe"META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances,holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praias, praia, plage, Travel, water sports,Lagos, heaven, Architectural, projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult, equestrian, riding, love, romance, lonely, girls"

FILE ARCHIVED ON 5:41:42 Dec 1, 1998 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 21:05:56 Jan 4, 2012.

I haven't looked at all the intervening archives, but looking at the one for 6 Feb 2007 the keywords are still the same but at some point "boys" was added to the keywords:

META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda"
META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="holiday appartments in Algarve Portugal, Europe, Best Fares Discount Travel"
META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Lagos, Portugal, Europe, euro, algarve, madrid, spain, tourism, Turismo, Vacances,holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praias, praia, plage, Arquitectura, Architecture, Travel, water sports,Lagos, heaven, Architectural, projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult, equestrian, riding, love, romance, lonely, girls, boys"

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The keywords are still the same as above on 13 jan 2010
Then by the time of the last archive on 2 april 2010 the keywords have changed to what we see today. with all the questionable words removed.... ...

Someone mentioned that the keywords had been noticed before on the 3 Arguidos forum? Wonder if that was in 2010 and the keywords were then changed .

META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda Holiday apartments"
META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="Holiday, Portugal, lagos holiday, apartments, apartamentos, apartamento ferias,
férias, lagos, Algarve Portugal, Europa, estadia, estadias"
META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Lagos Portugal, holiday Lagos, algarve apartments, apartment, ferias lagos, Algarve Portugal Europa,
Holiday, Portugal, lagos holiday, apartments, apartamentos, apartamento ferias, férias, lagos, Algarve Portugal,estadia, estadias"


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I noticed that old versions of the website have a guest book section so think I'll have a trawl of that and see if any interesting comments turn up....

tigger wrote:

monkey mind wrote:Stewie, yes thanks, just went through the whole thread this evening. I thought it very interesting that that particular website had lain untouched for a number of years and then has four updates from the middle of May 2007 til the end. Another one of them thar coincidees!

Quote from page 13
I remember that being discussed on 3A. Wasn't there other key words such as "girl" and "boy"? Very strange way of advertising a holiday apartment. I book privately owned apartments and villas every year and I think if one of the key words for the website was sex, I would skim over it and choose another place to stay.

littlepixie unquote.

I just thought to add this, I expect any proof of this is long gone?

Edited as I was behind on the thread and have just seen the post above where the keywords are verified. I don't know when the keywords were changed but am sure the discussion was before 2010.
Boys and Girls IMO are strange keywords to use if trying to attract adults.

Stewie wrote:Thanks for the tip on the web archiving tool Bristow.. it's revealed some interesting finds...

I put the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] url into the archiving tool and found some interesting keywords.. including the reference to boys and girls that was mentioned in previous posts.

The first archive for the landing page is 22 Jan 1998 and nothing particularly interesting in the keywords..
Next archive is 1 Dec 1998 and some interesting keywords have appeared:

"-- META TOP --META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda"META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="holiday appartments in Algarve Portugal Europe"META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances,holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praias, praia, plage, Travel, water sports,Lagos, heaven, Architectural, projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult, equestrian, riding, love, romance, lonely, girls"

FILE ARCHIVED ON 5:41:42 Dec 1, 1998 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 21:05:56 Jan 4, 2012.

I haven't looked at all the intervening archives, but looking at the one for 6 Feb 2007 the keywords are still the same but at some point "boys" was added to the keywords:

META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda"
META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="holiday appartments in Algarve Portugal, Europe, Best Fares Discount Travel"
META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Lagos, Portugal, Europe, euro, algarve, madrid, spain, tourism, Turismo, Vacances,holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praias, praia, plage, Arquitectura, Architecture, Travel, water sports,Lagos, heaven, Architectural, projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult, equestrian, riding, love, romance, lonely, girls, boys"

FILE ARCHIVED ON 12:48:55 Feb 6, 2007 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 20:41:00 Jan 4, 2012.


The keywords are still the same as above on 13 jan 2010
Then by the time of the last archive on 2 april 2010 the keywords have changed to what we see today. with all the questionable words removed.... ...

Someone mentioned that the keywords had been noticed before on the 3 Arguidos forum? Wonder if that was in 2010 and the keywords were then changed .

META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda Holiday apartments"
META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="Holiday, Portugal, lagos holiday, apartments, apartamentos, apartamento ferias,
férias, lagos, Algarve Portugal, Europa, estadia, estadias"
META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Lagos Portugal, holiday Lagos, algarve apartments, apartment, ferias lagos, Algarve Portugal Europa,
Holiday, Portugal, lagos holiday, apartments, apartamentos, apartamento ferias, férias, lagos, Algarve Portugal,estadia, estadias"


FILE ARCHIVED ON 10:53:18 Apr 2, 2010 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 20:56:45 Jan 4, 2012.

I noticed that old versions of the website have a guest book section so think I'll have a trawl of that and see if any interesting comments turn up....

Thank you Stewie for locating this information. I knew I had seen this post and remember raising the boy and girl statement there and then. As to whether this was 2010, I really don't know. If you know exactly when 3a's closed, the original discussion took place on there maybe a few months before it closed and I cannot remember if when someone noticed the wording had changed, was on 3a's or when everyone went over to MCF.

You are just brilliant.

ETA, thinking about it now, it did get changed after it was posted up on 3a's.

When the person who located it first put it up on 3a's, the exact wording I am almost certain said 'good for boys and girls'. Other key words words like projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult and lonely should never, never, be in the same sentence as 'good for boys and girls'.

2012 is really picking up speed now. Thank you.

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I have just come across an article written by Tony about Robert Murat, which quotes Jenny, his mum, saying that her husband had bought a house in Burgau when they first moved out to Portugal as a family in the late 1960s.

uppatoffee wrote:I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I have just come across an article written by Tony about Robert Murat, which quotes Jenny, his mum, saying that her husband had bought a house in Burgau when they first moved out to Portugal as a family in the late 1960s.

Yes Murat has relatives living in Burgau

Stella wrote:When the person who located it first put it up on 3a's, the exact wording I am almost certain said 'good for boys and girls'. Other key words words like projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult and lonely should never, never, be in the same sentence as 'good for boys and girls'.

2012 is really picking up speed now. Thank you.

I also looked at the keywords from all the dates on the web engines., and cant find that it says good for boys and girls in any of them.. But it says love,romance, lonely,girls , boys.. And that shouldnt be in the same sentence either. I think Stewie pointet out all the keywords used on this site, I couldnt fint any other that what he already has pointet out.. So it never said good for boys and girls..Just to clear that up :)

Moa wrote:

Stella wrote:When the person who located it first put it up on 3a's, the exact wording I am almost certain said 'good for boys and girls'. Other key words words like projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult and lonely should never, never, be in the same sentence as 'good for boys and girls'.

2012 is really picking up speed now. Thank you.

I also looked at the keywords from all the dates on the web engines., and cant find that it says good for boys and girls in any of them.. But it says love,romance, lonely,girls , boys.. And that shouldnt be in the same sentence either. I think Stewie pointet out all the keywords used on this site, I couldnt fint any other that what he already has pointet out.. So it never said good for boys and girls..Just to clear that up :)

No one could have searched through 4 years worth of info in that short space of time Moa.

Your post does clear something up though and it has nothing to do with what was in the original web entries.

Stella wrote:

Moa wrote:

Stella wrote:When the person who located it first put it up on 3a's, the exact wording I am almost certain said 'good for boys and girls'. Other key words words like projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult and lonely should never, never, be in the same sentence as 'good for boys and girls'.

2012 is really picking up speed now. Thank you.

I also looked at the keywords from all the dates on the web engines., and cant find that it says good for boys and girls in any of them.. But it says love,romance, lonely,girls , boys.. And that shouldnt be in the same sentence either. I think Stewie pointet out all the keywords used on this site, I couldnt fint any other that what he already has pointet out.. So it never said good for boys and girls..Just to clear that up :)

No one could have searched through 4 years worth of info in that short space of time Moa.

Your post does clear something up though and it has nothing to do with what was in the original web entries.

i did it yesterday and it only shows the update entries and that was 164 I think. So It do not take that long to go threw them :) i guess we are talking about the same webiste? And no reason to laugh so badly Stella ! And what You mean it cleared up something ?

jd wrote:

uppatoffee wrote:I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I have just come across an article written by Tony about Robert Murat, which quotes Jenny, his mum, saying that her husband had bought a house in Burgau when they first moved out to Portugal as a family in the late 1960s.

Yes Murat has relatives living in Burgau

There's also an interview with Mr Jacinto, who was a partner with Robert Murat's father where he mentions property in Burgau:
On the matter in hand he said:
The deponent was the business partner of John Henry Queriol Murat, from memory
in the period between 1972 and 1977 or 1976, in the partnership Jacinto & Murat,
it being that they knew each other form 1967, the time when John Murat, still
single acquired a house in Burgau which John later sold.
- Equally he recalls John having another business partnership with himself and
another Englishman, called Burgau Investimentos Turisticos Lda., in which John
also sold his share a short time after the business was formed.

Also, he was questioned by the PJ about the rental apartment that is advertised on the Jacinto e Murat website, Quinta da Falfeira. Interesting that he was questioned specifically about these apartments - maybe the PJ saw the website? :

- Regarding the Quinta da Falfeira, this property was his and his ex-wife's,
currently his grand-daughter's, used by her son.
- Equally next to this property the deponent owns a house called "Casa de Avis".
- He clarifies that Robert Murat never had access to those properties and even
less to the key of any part of them, being very certain that he (RM) never
frequented Quinta da Falfeira.

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A few other things I noticed:

-The boys keyword was added between between 1 dec 1998 (not listed in archive) and 18 Jan 2002 (appears in archive)

- From 19 June 2000 to 23 Dec 2004 there is a hotel praia de burgau listed. The keywords are as would expect, but the description has some interesting comments. These don't display on the page, or not that I can see. It may be that it was just a bored web developer messing around..

TITLE Hotel Praia de Burgau TITLE

meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html"
meta name="Keywords" content="Portugal, Hotels, Português, Portuguesa, Portugués, Portuguese, Portugaise, Guide, Guía, Travel, Viajes, Journées, Hôtels, Hoteles, Tourist, Touriste, Turístico, Turistica, Tourism, Turista, Tourismo, Tourisme, Turismo, Pousadas, Posadas, Inns, Estalagem, Estalagens, Estalajes, Albergarias, Auberges, Pensão, Pensões, Pensions, Hostales, Boarding Houses, Alojamento, Accommodation, Logement, Lodging, Rooms, Chambres, Zimmer, Habitaciones, Motels, Motéis, Moteles, Apartamentos, Apartments, Apartements, Apartamientos, Aldeamentos, Villages, Villas, Resorts, Aparthotels, Aparthotéis, Aparthoteles, Apartotéis, Apartoteles, Campismo, Camping, Caravanismo, Caravaning, Juventude, Youth Hostels, Juventud, Jeunesse, b&b, Espaço Rural, Agroturismo, Agro-turismo, Agritourism, TER, Habitação, Guest, Private"

meta name="description" content="Complete guide (1500+ properties) to Portugal hotels and other lodging. Secure discounted online reservations (instant confirmation thru one of the largest international services). Prices and e-mail addresses (where available). Growing section of travel tips and advice. Children safe. No sex, no nude pictures of Pamela Anderson, no free xxx photos of Lara Croft!"

Lastly, not much in the guestbook. One entry 24 dec 2006 by a lady who seemed to appreciate the gentlemen folk of Lagos:
Location: USA
Comments: I love your site and Lagos men. Do you accept donations to support it?

Im back home, and isn it strange.. All the pages keyword has now changed. So what we saw there yesterday are no gone..What is left today is Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances, holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praia, praias, Travel, water, sports, holiday, beach, Architectural projects, Real Estate, paradise, sex, golf .. I checked all the years, and they say the same now..How did that happen ? They changed it, so its significant...

Moa wrote:Im back home, and isn it strange.. All the pages keyword has now changed. So what we saw there yesterday are no gone..What is left today is Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances, holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praia, praias, Travel, water, sports, holiday, beach, Architectural projects, Real Estate, paradise, sex, golf .. I checked all the years, and they say the same now..How did that happen ? They changed it, so its significant...

Hi Moa, I can see the same info as I posted yesterday.. I am going to the web archive tool, paste in the url:
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then scroll through the days.. The view source keywords are the same for me.

Some of the pages have slightly different keywords so maybe you are looking at a different page to yesterday?

Stewie wrote:

Moa wrote:Im back home, and isn it strange.. All the pages keyword has now changed. So what we saw there yesterday are no gone..What is left today is Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances, holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praia, praias, Travel, water, sports, holiday, beach, Architectural projects, Real Estate, paradise, sex, golf .. I checked all the years, and they say the same now..How did that happen ? They changed it, so its significant...

Hi Moa, I can see the same info as I posted yesterday.. I am going to the web archive tool, paste in the url:
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then scroll through the days.. The view source keywords are the same for me.

Some of the pages have slightly different keywords so maybe you are looking at a different page to yesterday?

mmm could be, im trying again with the link you are providing. BRB :)

Okey tried it again and still get the same..I used the link you provided..i also checked the same dates as yesterday. Only blabla and ends with sex and golf.. I also got this on another computer, so it can't be any cookies doing it either..
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I had my historik from yesterday stored, so I managed to find it :)

Moa wrote:

Stewie wrote:

Moa wrote:Im back home, and isn it strange.. All the pages keyword has now changed. So what we saw there yesterday are no gone..What is left today is Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances, holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praia, praias, Travel, water, sports, holiday, beach, Architectural projects, Real Estate, paradise, sex, golf .. I checked all the years, and they say the same now..How did that happen ? They changed it, so its significant...

Hi Moa, I can see the same info as I posted yesterday.. I am going to the web archive tool, paste in the url:
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then scroll through the days.. The view source keywords are the same for me.

Some of the pages have slightly different keywords so maybe you are looking at a different page to yesterday?

mmm could be, im trying again with the link you are providing. BRB :)

Okey tried it again and still get the same..I used the link you provided..i also checked the same dates as yesterday. Only blabla and ends with sex and golf.. I also got this on another computer, so it can't be any cookies doing it either..
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I had my historik from yesterday stored, so I managed to find it :)

Think we are looking at slightlly different pages. Your link is going to a page link, mine is going to the main landing page and the keywords are slightly different between the two pages

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Stewie wrote:Thanks for the tip on the web archiving tool Bristow.. it's revealed some interesting finds...

I put the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] url into the archiving tool and found some interesting keywords.. including the reference to boys and girls that was mentioned in previous posts.

The first archive for the landing page is 22 Jan 1998 and nothing particularly interesting in the keywords..
Next archive is 1 Dec 1998 and some interesting keywords have appeared:

"-- META TOP --META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Jacinto & Murat, Lda"META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="holiday appartments in Algarve Portugal Europe"META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances,holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praias, praia, plage, Travel, water sports,Lagos, heaven, Architectural, projects, sexo, sex, adulto, adult, equestrian, riding, love, romance, lonely, girls"

FILE ARCHIVED ON 5:41:42 Dec 1, 1998 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 21:05:56 Jan 4, 2012.

I haven't looked at all the intervening archives, but looking at the one for 6 Feb 2007 the keywords are still the same but at some point "boys" was added to the keywords:
....

Boys where added between sept 23 2001 and jan 18 2002...

Stewie wrote:

Moa wrote:

Stewie wrote:

Moa wrote:Im back home, and isn it strange.. All the pages keyword has now changed. So what we saw there yesterday are no gone..What is left today is Arquitectura, Architecture, Portugal, tourism, Turismo, Vacances, holiday, férias, resort, apartamentos, Algarve, beach, praia, praias, Travel, water, sports, holiday, beach, Architectural projects, Real Estate, paradise, sex, golf .. I checked all the years, and they say the same now..How did that happen ? They changed it, so its significant...

Hi Moa, I can see the same info as I posted yesterday.. I am going to the web archive tool, paste in the url:
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then scroll through the days.. The view source keywords are the same for me.

Some of the pages have slightly different keywords so maybe you are looking at a different page to yesterday?

mmm could be, im trying again with the link you are providing. BRB :)

Okey tried it again and still get the same..I used the link you provided..i also checked the same dates as yesterday. Only blabla and ends with sex and golf.. I also got this on another computer, so it can't be any cookies doing it either..
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I had my historik from yesterday stored, so I managed to find it :)

Think we are looking at slightlly different pages. Your link is going to a page link, mine is going to the main landing page and the keywords are slightly different between the two pages

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Thats correct :) But you did give me that link [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] But yes I was not on the main page :) If you look at the site to day, it says it was created 05.05.2010.. And they remowed the words boy,girl,romance and so on between jan and april 2010...

Stewie wrote:-The boys keyword was added between between 1 dec 1998 (not listed in archive) and 18 Jan 2002 (appears in archive)

Stewie, is there any way of recovering what the website actually looked like in 2007?

I know of someone who may have a copy of it, but will need to track them down. When posters change names, it's very hard to locate them again.

I have a funny feeling that when Malinka's car got burnt out, with the word FALA (talk) printed in red paint beside it. Someone was sending them a clear message. 'Do not talk'.