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What was so special about Burgau?

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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:05 pm

Someone tips off the PJ that there was someone acting suspicious there, taking photo's of children, next thing you know they are forensically testing an apartment there and hairs are found matching or similar to that of Robert Murat and Jane Tanner. Amazing.

But other than that, what was so special about Burgau?

I'm asking because I have just seen that another guest went to Burgau on the 3rd, so I'm wondering what was special about this place. Does it have a golf course, a big shopping centre or some other kind of interest?
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Post by ROSA on Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:14 pm

Burgau Apartment DNA Explained: Hapless Guide to Haplotypes



Police were led to the Solimar Apartments in the first place by diligences carried out on the Polish couple reported to have been photographing children on a beach in Sagres. Nuno Lourenco de Jesus provided a witness statement, including of a record of the car registration and Robert Murat's Uncle Ralph Eveleigh provided CCTV footage of the couple visiting in his Beach Bar in Burgau. Police were able to trace the hire car to a Polish man and woman staying at the Solimar Apartments - and this is where they found the hair samples whose haplotypes matched those of Jane and Robert
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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:32 pm

That's the only thing we know about Burgau I think. But it seems strange that on the Lobster creche record sheet for May 3rd, the Totman child's entry it says "Burgau Walk", If I am reading it correctly. I'm wondering if there is a hospital or research facility there, or something else? As Dr JulianTotman, is allegedly yet another Doctor from the Salisbury area.
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Post by lj on Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:47 pm

Burgau is beautiful.but if the walk to the millenium restaurant was to far, they would walk to Burgau?

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Re: What was so special about Burgau?

Post by ROSA on Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:48 pm

It appears that in two statements (presumably made to Mr Cowley) JW was not sure whether she had seen “a suspect male ambling along” from a position in her apartment, from another apartment , tennis courts, pool or from the road. The information is further confused in the Channel 4 program because it implies that on two occasions, while she was walking in the street, JW saw “Pimple Man” standing watching Apartment 5A and not “ambling along”. Also the screenshot suggests a sighting by “JW” on 30th April 2007. This did not feature in the Channel 4 program.
Light was thrown on the identity of “JW” in an article in the Sun on 12th May 2009 by Antonella Lazzeri (another McCann close confidante) who stated:


  • She is a 36 year old mother of two: one a 3 year old girl
  • She rented an apartment 3 doors away from Apartment 5A
  • She reported her suspicions to her local police – in Wiltshire – in May 2007
Analysis of the Ocean Club Booking records indicates that “JW” may be Mrs J Weinburger, who travelled to Faro from Belfast on 28th April 2007, and stayed in Apartment “G4” (ie 3 doors away from the McCanns) in Waterside Gardens for seven days with her husband “P Weinburger”, a 3 year old daughter and an 11 month old infant. There is no trace of this family on the UK’s Electoral Roll, and no recorded directorships: this is fairly unusual for a British citizen unless there are security or other reasons for redaction.
However, a “Paul M Weinberger”, who works for Enigma Diagnostics Limited is now based in Porton Down, Wiltshire. This is a private company, founded in 2004 as a joint venture between the UK Government - through the top secret Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down -and the private venture capitalists Porton Capital Technology Fund. Mr Weinberger was previously employed as Director of Business Development for Roche Diagnostics, the world’s largest diagnostic company. Mr Weinberger specialises in “in vitro diagnostics” and is a member of the Executive Committee of the “British In Vitro Diagnostics Association”.
Porton Down is an Executive Agency of the Ministry of Defence and the site is said to be one of the UK’s most sensitive secret government facilities for military research especially related to chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (Here we go again!) weapons.
It is not certain that Mr Weinberger, of Enigma Diagnostics, is the man who stayed at the Ocean Club in May 2007, but it looks that way. Another link between the Weinbur or Weinbergers and Wiltshire is the fact that they made dinner bookings at the Tapas Bar with Dr Julian Totman who is also from Salisbury in Wiltshire.
Miss Lazzeri reported that JW, on returning from Portugal, in May 2007, informed her local police – based in Wiltshire (and thus a link to Paul M Weinberger in Wiltshire) who advised the Leicestershire police who
failed to follow up her lead. It was only when she received an emotional phone call from Maddie’s mum Kate nearly two years later (thus in April or May 2009 possibly to get a bit more spice for the Channel 4 program) that a photofit based on her description was put together…. When Kate asked me to help, I agreed immediately. But the police should have asked 2 years ago. It was only after Kate got in touch that the woman learnt two other witnesses saw an identical man… I can’t believe our three sightings weren’t linked earlier”
The problem is, which “JW” was not told, that the descriptions given to the PJ by the “two other witnesses” were nothing like “Pimple Man” and that their reports had been fully investigated, the suspects identified and eliminated. But failure to act on “JW’s” evidence adds to the Leicestershire Police’s record of tardiness in its delayed handing of the statements of Kate and Arul, photographs of potential suspects: not to mention a recent detailed report on the crèche records. Can any police force be that bad? Or was Leicestershire’s job simply to kill the investigation, possibly on Home Office instructions, whose political intervention – in such cases as Damian Green – are so worrying? And if “JW” attached any importance to her sighting why did she do nothing further about it for 2 years, especially when it might have qualified her for a large reward? And why did Kate McCann leave it until the last moment to call her? The bottom line is that “JW’s” “evidence” justifies very close scrutiny.

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Re: What was so special about Burgau?

Post by Guest on Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:57 pm

There !! Yet another amazing coincidence. Another guest, Mr Weinberger specialises in “in vitro diagnostics”.
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Post by ROSA on Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:58 pm

2007 implying that “Pimple Man” was lurking for a period of almost 4 hours on that critical day but making himself obvious. This “evidence” is misleading because Mr Flack was not sure whether the date was 2nd or 3rd May 2007. Mr Edgar and Mr Cowley seem to have dramatically improved Mr Flack’s statement by arbitrarily removing his uncertainty and thereby making the suspicions much more dramatic.
It should also be noted that the whiteboard does not refer to the sighting by the Irish family. This is strange when it featured so strongly in the Channel 4 program.
Mr Edgar (frame 16.36 of 47.57 of the Channel 4 program) states that sighting 3 (by Tasmin Sillence) is the most important (besides Jane Tanner’s) “because it links them”. Mr Edgar implies that all of the witnesses saw the same person (ie “Pimple Man”) watching the McCanns’ apartment and states at frame 11.24 that the abduction was “done by an individual on his own: most likely by an individual who has links to Praia da Luz which is why we have focused all of our efforts really on – most of our efforts certainly -on Praia da Luz”. Perhaps Mr Edgar changed his phrasing from “all” to “most” to conceal the restricted scope of his mandate and the fact that he is focused exclusively on an “abduction”. In any event, he confirmed his lone abductor theory in an interview reported by Dominic Herbert in the News of the World published on Sunday 10th May 2009.

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Post by ROSA on Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:15 pm

The Times revealed last week that the initial test on traces of blood found in the McCann’s apartment had not come from Madeleine. Mr and Mrs McCann have been advised to remain in Portugal after police, who have now concluded that Madeleine is likely to be dead, said they hoped to make a breakthrough.
Inspector Olegário Sousa, of the Polícia Judiciária, said that detectives hoped the samples would help to confirm what had happened on the night Madeleine disappeared. He said it was now believed that more than one person was involved in Madeleine’s disappearance. “It’s natural that in a crime of this nature more than one person took part. This analysis is not based on anything concrete, but rather on logic,” Mr Sousa said. “If it was committed by only one person, it would be even more difficult to resolve the case because he or she is the only person who knows what they did.”
However, Mr Sousa said there was “little hard evidence to work on” and that officers were attempting to reconstruct what had happened “largely on the basis of witness statements”.
The Times revealed on Saturday that the Public Prosecutor’s Office has signed warrants authorising searches at locations that may be linked to Madeleine’s disappearance. Police are also reported to have been reviewing two burglaries that happened shortly before the family arrived at the resort.
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Post by ROSA on Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:18 pm

The twins, who, like Madeleine were born through IVF, have been encouraged to talk about their sister and her Cuddle Cat toy, which Mrs McCann now carries around wherever she goes.
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Post by ufercoffy on Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:27 pm

@ROSA wrote:The twins, who, like Madeleine were born through IVF, have been encouraged to talk about their sister and her Cuddle Cat toy, which Mrs McCann now carries around wherever she goes.

She only carried cuddlecat around when in PDL in front of the cameras. Did you ever see cuddlecat again once they were back in the UK?

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Post by ROSA on Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:37 pm

in the last photo topic i posted a recent photo of kate with amelie and amelie is holding it
the mccanns are pahetic
the mccanns have always wanted the public to look at deliberate items
maddies eye
cuddlecat
hairbead
maddies pool outfit
what is so special here
maddie has been used as as marketing ploy from the get go
the condition of cuddlecat almost mint for a toy which they claim was given to her as a baby why no wear N tear the mccanns want the public to beleive them they have concentrated all their efforts on themselves

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Post by ufercoffy on Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:41 pm

Yes, Rosa, thank you for posting it, I did see that, but when has Kate been spotted carrying it since they fled PDL? Her photoshoots were just as fake as the abduction itself.

I wonder if she still takes it to work? big grin

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Post by littlepixie on Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:55 pm

I havent read up for a while so may be wrong but doesnt Murats uncle own this Burgau apartment?? How weird is that that the couple who were suspected were staying at a property owned by relatives of Robert Murat.

Isnt this Nuno de Jesus now posting on the McCanns facebook page.
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i read it here

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Post by ROSA on Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:45 am

Bloodline Tanners child
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coincidences?

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Post by Guest3 on Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:24 am

What do these pictures mean ROSA?
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Post by Mini Slueth on Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:38 am

Rosa, are you thinking that this photo of Madeleine was taken at this apartment??? I am just looking at the background of the photo.

I dont know the connection either.
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Post by ROSA on Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:03 am

To Guest3 and Mini Slueth
The photo is one of the balconys at the Solimar Apartment that is what they look like
im looking at the background wall and chair colour the photo of M is a close up the colour and prob texture of the wall is very simalar
i think this might be the real last photo of M and there is a possibitie that it was taken at the Solimar Apartment the photo gives me the chills and its not the make up .
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Post by Mini Slueth on Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:18 am

I feel sick.

I dont know what you are thinking Rosa, but i want to get the thoughts that are in my head out of them FAST


Madeleine doesnt look very happy at all does she?
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Post by Mini Slueth on Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:19 am

When did this photo first appear and was it the McCanns that released it?
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Post by ROSA on Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:38 am

i think it appeared in 2010 and yes the mccanns released it as a new photo
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Post by ROSA on Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:41 am

@Mini Slueth wrote:I feel sick.

I dont know what you are thinking Rosa, but i want to get the thoughts that are in my head out of them FAST


Madeleine doesnt look very happy at all does she?
There is talk on some internet sites that the child is dead search (Madeleine McCann Deathmask)
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Post by ROSA on Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:54 am

Madeleine McCann's parents have released a new photo and video of their missing daughter in the hope of triggering fresh leads into her disappearance, according to the Mirror.
The photo, taken just weeks before her disappearance, shows Madeleine wearing blue eye-shadow after raiding a make-up box.
Parents Kate, 42, and Gerry, 41, released the photo to mark the third anniversary of her disappearance.
They say they will mark the anniversary in private.
The video shows efforts made to find their daughter and ends by thanking viewers "for not giving up on Madeleine".
Digitally enhanced images showing what Madeleine would look like now aged six have been also been circulated recently.
The McCanns said last week that they tell Madeleine's brother and sister that a "naughty man" stole the schoolgirl to explain her disappearance.
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