Thanks.

by **tigger** 07.09.11 7:06

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Jean wrote:Tigger, I don't think anyone has answered your query. I have seen a still photo of Madeleine dressed as Snow White but here's a link to the home video footage which I remember seeing on TV for the first time on 4th May 2007.

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If this is the same child as in all the other photos that have appeared over the years, then I'm the Queen of Sheba!

Funny you speak to Tigger and link to a youtoube vid uploaded by Tiggerriffic :)

Thanks Jean, I did know this clip, just didn't know that she was dressed up as Snow white. That is a girl of about 4 yrs. old, completely free of eyebags. If you look at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] you can see how the coloboma goes in and out of the eye.
They're using a clip from this video on their site!

Somewhere, there was a girl who looked like Maddie. On the Missing Madeleine site there is an old topic 'Madeleine wearing old shirt?' which has a lot of useful stuff in it re photoshopping.

by LG78 07.09.11 8:08

tigger wrote:
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Jean wrote:Tigger, I don't think anyone has answered your query. I have seen a still photo of Madeleine dressed as Snow White but here's a link to the home video footage which I remember seeing on TV for the first time on 4th May 2007.

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If this is the same child as in all the other photos that have appeared over the years, then I'm the Queen of Sheba!

Funny you speak to Tigger and link to a youtoube vid uploaded by Tiggerriffic :)

Thanks Jean, I did know this clip, just didn't know that she was dressed up as Snow white. That is a girl of about 4 yrs. old, completely free of eyebags. If you look at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] you can see how the coloboma goes in and out of the eye.
They're using a clip from this video on their site!

Somewhere, there was a girl who looked like Maddie. On the Missing Madeleine site there is an old topic 'Madeleine wearing old shirt?' which has a lot of useful stuff in it re photoshopping.

Do u remember under wich topic that madeleine wearing old shirt is? interresting vid by the way

by Guest 07.09.11 9:21

LG78: here's a link for the topic you mention:

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I don't know if it's just my computer playing up but the site doesn't seem to be working very well at the moment.

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by LG78 07.09.11 9:35

Jean wrote:LG78: here's a link for the topic you mention:

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I don't know if it's just my computer playing up but the site doesn't seem to be working very well at the moment.

Ty :) Worked fine here aswell :)

by Guest 07.09.11 11:40

I was getting messages about loose connections but that probably referred to me!

Newintown: yes Kate certainly does appear to say "the year before Portugal" but it must be so hard to keep all the stories straight. The Donegal photos are a mystery. I'd say that they were taken in 2008 or 2009 looking at the apparent ages of the twins and so it definitely isn't Madeleine with them.

To complicate things further, the Zaival beach topic has a statement from a restaurant owner that the McCanns were in Portugal in early April 2007 when they were supposedly in Donegal too!

by **tigger** 07.09.11 14:36

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Re the photos, yes, certainly the blue eyeshadow. Doubly suspicious since the original explanation from Kate was that Maddie had raided her make up box. That didn't wash with the public, in her book she's got it again but this time it was the result of a visiting professional beautician.

before this becomes a forum myth
The book does not contain the photo of Madeleine wearing the blue eye make-up.
And...I can find no reference to it, either in the hard copy or though searching the Kindle version. If it is there can someone give a page number.

My goodness, apologies. If there's anything I hate is giving wrong info. I have seen it, it must have been in an article about the book in that case. There is no way I could make up the beautician story and I honestly do have a very good memory. So now it's trawling the internet until I find what I'm looking for.
I must have associated it with the book because I felt a sense of outrage that she'd had the cheek to publish it again. Rubbing our faces in it so to speak. So it's from late April onwards I have to look. Might be DM.
Again, PeterMac, you were right and it does none of us any good to give the wrong information. It may take a little time, but I will ferret it out.

by **tigger** 07.09.11 14:48

PeterMac wrote:
tigger wrote:
Re the photos, yes, certainly the blue eyeshadow. Doubly suspicious since the original explanation from Kate was that Maddie had raided her make up box. That didn't wash with the public, in her book she's got it again but this time it was the result of a visiting professional beautician.

before this becomes a forum myth
The book does not contain the photo of Madeleine wearing the blue eye make-up.
And...I can find no reference to it, either in the hard copy or though searching the Kindle version. If it is there can someone give a page number.

My goodness, apologies. If there's anything I hate is giving wrong info. I have seen it, it must have been in an article about the book in that case. There is no way I could make up the beautician story and I honestly do have a very good memory. So now it's trawling the internet until I find what I'm looking for.
I must have associated it with the book because I felt a sense of outrage that she'd had the cheek to publish it again. Rubbing our faces in it so to speak. So it's from late April onwards I have to look. Might be DM.
Again, PeterMac, you were right and it does none of us any good to give the wrong information. It may take a little time, but I will ferret it out.

by Guest 07.09.11 20:03

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ROSA wrote:"THEIR OTHER TWINS" !! WHAT DOES CLARENCE MITCHELL MEAN BY THAT

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Listen to the this video by Clarence Mitchell where Clarence Mitchell very clearly refers to "their other twins" - referring to Sean and Amelie clearly implying that Madeleine is also a twin. I have suspected that Madeleine is the twin sister of Jane Tanner's little girl, who, it was reported, was born on the same day. Has he made a serious blunder here?

He also states the Portuguese police are still very much interested in Kate and Gerry McCann but you will see there is another video from Mrs Paul, the aunt who claims the Portuguese police are no longer focusing on the McCanns. Why cant this famly just manage to tell us the truth!

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This is a repost of Rosa's dealing with the subject of Clarence Mitchell and the "other twins". First, I can't find the video, does anyone know if it's gone? Second, I've been thinking of the discrepancies in the photo's that have been released of Madeleine and the age and height and timing etc. What's been bugging me is that they all look like Madeleine. I don't know how IVF works as in how long would it take to get referred and how long the waiting list is (probably no time for the McCann's of course) and how many tries the NHS will pay for. But I did see this, the possibility of sperm, egg and embryo donation, if you choose to do this you can get a reduction on fees. It's a bit sketchy but it says you can choose the recipient. Also interesting, to get IVF for a second pregnancy depends on how many treatments you already had which might explain why they did the second treatment in Holland.

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by Guest 09.09.11 14:27

This picture is also from Madeleines 4th birthday. So it was not only when they left church and was overwellmed by all the good support they smiled that day..
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For more pictures here , It was many pictures here I hadnt seen before...

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by Guest 09.09.11 18:34

Thanks for the photo Moa; one that I've never seen before and it shows again the marked contrast between how Kate and Gerry actually behaved on 12th May 2007 and Kate's heart-rending recollections in the "truthful" book.

by juliet 09.09.11 20:29

Re KM's obsession with beauty, I think I read somewhere that she referred in the book to Amelie being so lovely as a newborn with a "rosebud" mouth.

Yet it's obvious from pictures that there is a problem with Amelie's upper lip. Perhaps it happened as she got older, but there is a slight droopiness.

This is not to criticise the little girl! Just to say that KM really does seem to have a mania for perfection and overlooks anything that doesn't fit.

by **Jill Havern** 09.09.11 20:57

There's a recent picture of her on the internet and she looks very pretty.

by juliet 09.09.11 21:10

It's true that Amelie IS very pretty (tiny lip thing apart).

In fact, Amelie fits the "missing girl" description first given out much better than Madeleine.

IIRC, Jill Renwick told the TV news early on the 4th that the missing girl had "white blonde hair" and blue eyes and was so pretty. KM went on and on about how "beautiful" the child was, as if that was the major reason to look for her.

Madeleine had brown hair, browny-green eyes, and had more of a quirky face than astounding prettiness.

Why the wrong descriptions from the start??

by Guest 10.09.11 8:29

This is not a picture but a vid from BBC news, sure you all have seen it before.
I just found the reporter so f***ing ARROGANT !!

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by Guest 10.09.11 9:14

I haven't actually seen this clip before and, while the attitude of the interviewer was biased and hostile, I am pleased (not to mention surprised) that it was broadcast as it would have brought the Madeleine Foundation to people's attention and some of them might then have sought out more information. I first heard of it via an item on BBC Ceefax later the same month which stated that Carter Ruck's cage had been rattled over the leaflets and that led me to the MF website.

I'm trying not to laugh over the "anyone can change facts" remark - perish the thought that the media would ever do that!

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by Gillyspot 10.09.11 10:37

Thanks for that Marian I had forgotten about that video.

It just goes to show that the BBC is not always (is it ever) unbiased in its coverage. The female presenter was even butting in on Debbie before she got answers out.

by **kikoraton** 10.09.11 11:16

"Madeleine had brown hair, browny-green eyes, and had more of a quirky face than astounding prettiness.

Why the wrong descriptions from the start??"

Quite so, juliet. If my theory is correct, there was a substitute for Madeleine, who attended creche right from the very start. That sub might well have conformed to the various descriptions we have heard from the McCs themselves, and their friends.
Only 90 cms tall
White blonde hair (can anyone confirm this?)
Blue eyes, not greeny-brown
Coloboma????

I have a photo of the girl I believe may have been the substitute, showing white blonde hair. Can't see her eyes well enough, but almost certainly blue. Very short stature in comparison with one of her age-group pictured alongside.
But how wide would the circle of friends have to be, if even Renwick is making this claim about Madeleine McCann's hair and eye-colouring? Too many, to be entrusted with the secret? Remind me where Renwick is from - Scotland, neighbour of G Brown's brother, maybe? Not at all where I think the sub comes from.

by Guest 10.09.11 13:47

Kikoraton, here's a story from The Times in 2007 about the Renwicks. I presume it is they and not John McCann who live in Jordanhill, Glasgow.

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by lj 10.09.11 14:24

dragonfly wrote:
admin wrote:There's some interesting pictures and comments here on Viv's blog

WHAT DO KATE AND GERRY TELL US BY THE LOOK ON THEIR FACES? SHE LOVES THIS MAN??

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i dont know how to paste photos but if you scroll down to photo of gerry in green t-shirt of madeleine what is in the circle on the printed photo of maddie to the left?

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by **kikoraton** 10.09.11 14:34

The hair-colour in the Everton T-shirt is not white-blonde!!! But did anyone ever claim that MM had white-blond hair?
I seem to remember that Maddie had longer hair when wearing the Everton shirt, but I may be wrong.

by **tigger** 10.09.11 14:55

kikoraton wrote:The hair-colour in the Everton T-shirt is not white-blonde!!! But did anyone ever claim that MM had white-blond hair?
I seem to remember that Maddie had longer hair when wearing the Everton shirt, but I may be wrong.

There are two Everton T shirt photos. The one above on Gerry's t shirt is the heavily photoshopped one, another one which IMO definitely isn't Maddie where the hair is nearly white blond. Google images tend to throw the two up together.
Hence the confusion. One Everton with Maddie's face but not body and another which isn't her at all! Possible that that's the girl they used to paste Maddie's face on.

by Guest 10.09.11 17:16

There's lots of comments starting on page 17 of this topic about the football shirt photos (and possibly elsewhere too) and they then go on to the very disturbing photos with make-up, particularly the one of Madeleine lying on the floor. As regards the version on Gerry's green T-shirt, Madeleine (or whoever) has much shorter hair than in the others. Can there ever have been so much confusion as to what a person looks like?

by **tigger** 10.09.11 17:52

juliet wrote:It's true that Amelie IS very pretty (tiny lip thing apart).

In fact, Amelie fits the "missing girl" description first given out much better than Madeleine.

IIRC, Jill Renwick told the TV news early on the 4th that the missing girl had "white blonde hair" and blue eyes and was so pretty. KM went on and on about how "beautiful" the child was, as if that was the major reason to look for her.

Madeleine had brown hair, browny-green eyes, and had more of a quirky face than astounding prettiness.

Why the wrong descriptions from the start??

Maddie wasn't pretty, she wasn't clever or articulate. All this was attributed to her after her death. She wasn't particularly happy either.
She screamed, had tantrums, she probably had ADHD, she slept badly, was backwards in speech for her age, (can't remember where I read this but all the other remarks are by her own family). She had light brown hair, not blonde. Those heavy bags under her eyes must mean something wrong with her. It's not normal for a toddler. Her right eye and perhaps face are a little droopy in many of the photographs.
In none of the videos does she really interact with the twins, I'm also trying to find a remark by Kate, early on, when someone asked her how the twins were coping ' they didn't really have much to do with her.'
Dr. Roberts has pointed out that Maddie is often mentioned separately from the family in interviews. No, the girl who disappeared was nothing like the myth. Poor little thing.

I've just watched Moa's video, don't even BBC people not hear themselves talk? Facts can be changed, yes, but then they are no longer facts. They really need a dictionary or two. Course in logic wouldn't go amiss. O for Ludovic Kennedy, who could think and listen!

by **Jill Havern** 10.09.11 18:03

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If this is Maddie then she certainly was pretty.

by **tigger** 10.09.11 18:14

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If this is Maddie then she certainly was pretty.

This one is like the little girl in the playground, coming out of the plastic house. A little like Maddie, but not.

I'm not saying Maddie was ugly, just not outstandingly pretty. Kate certainly seems to have a bee in her bonnet re beautiful blond children.
Now Kate is no natural blonde, looks as if her own hair is at least mid brown. Gerry had bright red hair at age 8 or so, that doesn't change to dark brown by itself. Nothing in it, except that both seem to have the celebrities' fixation on looks. Having a non perfect child would be hard for them.

by **kikoraton** 10.09.11 18:15

I just looked at a random page from Google Images. There were probably 30 different photos of her there, and there must be 100 others. Surely, somewhere there is a facial recognition expert, who can analyse those photos with accurate measurement, and tell us how many different children have been presented as Madeleine?
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder," guys. Let's not argue over whether she was pretty.

by **tigger** 10.09.11 18:21

kikoraton wrote:I just looked at a random page from Google Images. There were probably 30 different photos of her there, and there must be 100 others. Surely, somewhere there is a facial recognition expert, who can analyse those photos with accurate measurement, and tell us how many different children have been presented as Madeleine?
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder," guys. Let's not argue over whether she was pretty.

I'm rather hoping that SY will have the requisite software. I'm guessing at two or three others.

by **Jill Havern** 10.09.11 18:21

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I think Maddie's teeth look different in some pics...sometimes they look like they have gaps and sometimes they look straight...even though she doesn't look much different in age.

by juliet 10.09.11 20:44

Reportedly, KM says in the book that Madeleine looked so sweet in the tennis court pic "with her pink hat, pink shorts, new holiday sandals" etc etc.

Anyone else would say that the poor child didn't look sweet at all - she looked hunched, her hair unkempt, not very nice clothes, bruises and marks on her limbs, bags under her eyes....as for those sandals - why are they so horribly 1950s old-fashioned? And why wear sandals at all when she had trainers much more suitable for a tennis game?

Elsewhere, KM went on about (in England) watching Madeleine swimming in an indoor pool, where she was so touched (KM) she had to text GM about how moving it all was. (One minute, unbearable neglect of all her kids; the next, full of exaggerated love)

Anyway, she said that Madeleine looked so sweet in her swimming cap. Does ANY child in England wear a swimming cap?

Sometimes I think Kate recycles tales about her own childhood.