Kate Mc Canns Check Pants

by tuom 30.06.12 21:22

While I could accept that maybe KMC had more than one pair of these black/white check pants , she seems to have worn them many many times , well before she went to PDL , going to work and even on the journey back to the UK , if they are the same pair surely they would have been in police evidence ? if I am getting this wrong feel free to correct [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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by jd 30.06.12 23:52

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The 3rd link was the same as the first one Tuom....so have added the birthday party check trousers

by tuom 01.07.12 20:30

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The 3rd link was the same as the first one Tuom....so have added the birthday party check trousers

Thanks jd , there is another picture in google images of the MCS returning to the UK and KMC is wearing check trousers also , the link will not work for me

by russiandoll 01.07.12 23:04

what is going on with Maddie's left arm between the wrist and elbow?

by Guest 01.07.12 23:22

Goodness knows! There's a distinct line at the halfway point and the lower part of the arm is darker than the upper; together with the large clenched hand, it looks really odd.

by tuom 02.07.12 12:30

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Found the other picture with the pants , this is from google images of the MCS returning to the UK , and yes I agree that MMC arm in that birthday picture is very strange indeed , was she wriggling about ? why are they holding so tightly ? why so uptight ? sorry off topic a bit

by jd 02.07.12 12:36

russiandoll wrote:what is going on with Maddie's left arm between the wrist and elbow?

I know it doesn't look normal...weird

by dentdelion 02.07.12 12:52

Yes an odd one.... that is a long way for a child to blow a puff of air to try and extinguish candles! Why not move the cake to the edge of counter? Probably need to stand on something tho' is this an 'island unit' in a kitchen. Have we concluded that it is the McCann's kitchen? Maybe the twins had had their 'go' at party table and cake was removed to kitchen to chop up so last minute and rushed opportunity for Madeliene to blow out the relit candles.

by dentdelion 02.07.12 12:54

Yes an odd one.... that is a long way for a child to blow a puff of air to try and extinguish candles! Why not move the cake to the edge of counter? Probably need to stand on something tho' is this an 'island unit' in a kitchen. Have we concluded that it is the McCann's kitchen? Maybe the twins had had their 'go' at party table and cake was removed to kitchen to chop up so last minute and rushed opportunity for Madeleine to blow out the relit candles.

by Newintown 02.07.12 13:15

russiandoll wrote:what is going on with Maddie's left arm between the wrist and elbow?

Her right hand also looks "stumpy" with a dark shadow between 2 of her fingers as if they've been cut around or photoshopped and not a very good job done.

There is also a white line along Kate's left leg above the pile of plates going up to her hand holding the knife and white lines either side of Madeleine's straps on her dress. There's also a white line along the top of the dress along her chest. Why would white lines be shown on a photo unless again it's been photoshopped, yet there are no white lines anywhere on the person holding Madeleine.

by Liz Eagles 02.07.12 13:36

I don't think there would be a false photo of KM and Madeleine which included her aunt. I can't see her aunt being too happy about it if it weren't authentic. I think the lighting above the worktop/island is halogen lighting that points downwards and mixed with the other lighting (natural/electrical) creates different shadows. I also think that there is an opportunity for weird people on forums to manipulate these photos. How do we know on this forum that the photo we are looking at has not been interfered with and is being purported as original? I know I'll get shot down for this comment but really, how do we know that we are not being lead up a garden path by people who just want to distract?

by tuom 02.07.12 13:48

My post seems to have wandered off topic , any comments on the black/white check pants that KMC wears a lot ?

by Guest 02.07.12 13:53

I know what you mean Aquila but, in the case of this photo, it first appeared in the press as early as 6th May 2007 so I don't think it's been tampered with later.

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by Snifferdog 02.07.12 14:08

Hi back from hols in Mozambique. Aquila I agree with you in what you're saying. I don't see anything wrong in this photo besides the time of year, unless they have good central heating then I suppose the dress and short sleeves are understandable.
Kate's check pants do not show up in the reflection as it should be, and if you look carefully you can see that her head is reflected and it has a faint halo where the light has highlighted her hair. I do not see anything strange re the position of the woman's arms holding Madeleine. The tensed muscles show as they should for one holding someone in this position. Madeleine has her foot resting on the table and its position looks correct to me. Kate is pulling Madeleine's arm forward causing the hollow on Madeleines left side next to her neck.

by russiandoll 02.07.12 14:13

one last comment on the cake photo, it is a heck of a long way for a child to blow out the candles, what puzzles me is why instead of the child esp looking so uncomfortable [ not much fun for the aunt either the way she is holding her]...did they not unfold the tea towel on the worktop in front of them,[ Maddie is already raised so her knees are level with the worktop.] and let her kneel on the tea towel and support her from behind that way all 3 are comfy. I wonder how long it took to blow out those candles from that distance...

by Snifferdog 02.07.12 14:17

Methinks perhaps they were removing her from the table....(Madeleine was always a handful)

by Liz Eagles 02.07.12 14:25

Jean wrote:I know what you mean Aquila but, in the case of this photo, it first appeared in the press as early as 6th May 2007 so I don't think it's been tampered with later.

[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-453030/Its-Maddys-birthday-Saturday-making-Dr-Who-cake.html

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Thanks Jean,

I see many things wrong in this photograph but not for photographic content any longer. I concede that the pants may have been photoshopped in. Many months ago I posted re the reflection in the toaster. I just can't accept that Madeleine's aunt would not remember this photo being taken or the McCanns would have the gall to change it and hope she didn't notice. I can't accept that the wider McCann/Healey family are complicit.

by russiandoll 02.07.12 14:26

Methinks perhaps they were removing her from the table....(Madeleine was always a handful)
lord alone knows but it is one weird photo, where are the othere kids? I have seen a lot of photos of youngsters blowing out birthday candles, usually taken at a distance where other children are around the table, so strange to see this lone little girl with 2 adults.

now back to the check pants, which remind me of pj bottoms in the photo where K and G are near the church.

by tuom 02.07.12 14:34

russiandoll wrote:Methinks perhaps they were removing her from the table....(Madeleine was always a handful)
lord alone knows but it is one weird photo, where are the othere kids? I have seen a lot of photos of youngsters blowing out birthday candles, usually taken at a distance where other children are around the table, so strange to see this lone little girl with 2 adults.

now back to the check pants, which remind me of pj bottoms in the photo where K and G are near the church.

RD : My original question was if these were the pants that the evidence was found on how is KMC wearing them on the flight back to the UK , of course she may really like them and have lots of pairs, could be as simple as that .....

by Snifferdog 02.07.12 14:38

Russiandoll again quickly off subject, sorry, but Kate's and the woman, whoever she may be expressions are all wrong for people whose nearest and dearest is about to blow out birthday candles too. Could the children be around the other side of the counter not visible in the photo? Perhaps it was another child's birthday, think someone before suggested the twins, or perhaps it could have been another childs birthday held at the Mccs house?

by uppatoffee 02.07.12 14:53

The cake has blue and pink icing and it looks like the first word ends in Lie, so I would imagine the cake is for the twins birthday on 1 February. Two candles, so presumably 2007 for their second birthday. I can imagine they don't want Madeleine to be left out, so given her the opportunity to blow out the candles on the cake, out of the way of the twins, who were probably off playing with Fiona and Gregor who appear in some of the other photos from that day.

by Snifferdog 02.07.12 15:01

tuom wrote:
russiandoll wrote:Methinks perhaps they were removing her from the table....(Madeleine was always a handful)
lord alone knows but it is one weird photo, where are the othere kids? I have seen a lot of photos of youngsters blowing out birthday candles, usually taken at a distance where other children are around the table, so strange to see this lone little girl with 2 adults.

now back to the check pants, which remind me of pj bottoms in the photo where K and G are near the church.

RD : My original question was if these were the pants that the evidence was found on how is KMC wearing them on the flight back to the UK , of course she may really like them and have lots of pairs, could be as simple as that .....

I must say that I should not like to wear a pair of pants with cadaver odour in it. Must have been a favourite pair. Though I am surprised that they were not kept by the Portuguese Police as the dogs smelt cadaver on them.

by russiandoll 02.07.12 15:31

uppatoffee wrote:The cake has blue and pink icing and it looks like the first word ends in Lie, so I would imagine the cake is for the twins birthday on 1 February. Two candles, so presumably 2007 for their second birthday. I can imagine they don't want Madeleine to be left out, so given her the opportunity to blow out the candles on the cake, out of the way of the twins, who were probably off playing with Fiona and Gregor who appear in some of the other photos from that day.

a very good explanation , thank you : but while this looks like a 2nd birthday celebration for the twins, there is no way I accept ,given the foiaige in the garden and the way everyone is dressed, that this little "do" took place in the winter time, no matter how mild.

by AskTheDogsSandra 02.07.12 15:38

Snifferdog wrote:
tuom wrote:
russiandoll wrote:Methinks perhaps they were removing her from the table....(Madeleine was always a handful)
lord alone knows but it is one weird photo, where are the othere kids? I have seen a lot of photos of youngsters blowing out birthday candles, usually taken at a distance where other children are around the table, so strange to see this lone little girl with 2 adults.

now back to the check pants, which remind me of pj bottoms in the photo where K and G are near the church.

RD : My original question was if these were the pants that the evidence was found on how is KMC wearing them on the flight back to the UK , of course she may really like them and have lots of pairs, could be as simple as that .....
I must say that I should not like to wear a pair of pants with cadaver odour in it. Must have been a favourite pair. Though I am surprised that they were not kept by the Portuguese Police as the dogs smelt cadaver on them.

Not only was she wearing pants with cadaver odour on them but they left Portugal in the same car that was
reeking of cadaver odour. I'm surprised the Portuguese police let them have the car back let alone the pants.

by Liz Eagles 02.07.12 15:43

uppatoffee wrote:The cake has blue and pink icing and it looks like the first word ends in Lie, so I would imagine the cake is for the twins birthday on 1 February. Two candles, so presumably 2007 for their second birthday. I can imagine they don't want Madeleine to be left out, so given her the opportunity to blow out the candles on the cake, out of the way of the twins, who were probably off playing with Fiona and Gregor who appear in some of the other photos from that day.

There is a third candle holder on the kitchen counter. I really don't see anything wrong with this photo. As for publishing photos of other children well that's not fair on the protection/privacy of the children. I've changed my mind over the months re this picture. I commented many months ago on the reflection in the toaster. I think this photograph is genuine in the main. The chequered trousers may have been photo shopped in afterwards as aunty may not have remembered what exactly KM was wearing but I think it was a snapshot of Madeleine being excited and demanding and maybe a bit jealous and insisting on blowing out the candles. The wearing of a party frock in February in a British house with central heating and a lot of hot, sweaty, excited kids doesn't strike me as odd.

The fact that cadaver dogs alerted to Kate's trousers and there was a glib answer that she wore them to work and had been in contact with cadaverine (remember Cuddlecat was also exposed to that and she alleges to have taken Madeleine's favourite toy to work) and then she wore them on holiday and showed herself wearing them in a photograph taken prior to the holiday is suspect imo.

Tuom is right. If those trousers were the same ones why was Kate McCann allowed to keep them? perhaps she wasn't.

by joyce1938 02.07.12 16:00

could this cake been a christening cake ? no way would it be in feb.with all the greenery outside?joyce1938

by uppatoffee 02.07.12 17:09

The Mail said that it was on Madeleine's second birthday in the article below from August 2007, but I think that they are just guessing this from the number of candles and the fact she is blowing the candle out, rather than because they have been told this. That would make her a very large two year old.

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by pingunootnoot 05.07.12 13:58

uppatoffee wrote:The Mail said that it was on Madeleine's second birthday in the article below from August 2007, but I think that they are just guessing this from the number of candles and the fact she is blowing the candle out, rather than because they have been told this. That would make her a very large two year old.

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She does not look two years old in that photo. My friend has a two year old daughter who has followed the 97th centile majority of her life and is smaller than how Madeleine looks.

by One 15.07.12 20:46

It's very interesting, Tuom. If the search was on 2nd Aug you'd wonder how they managed to test all of the evidence and have it returned in time for Kate to wear her favourite pants home barely a month later.

But the other puzzle is why was there no evidence found on any of Gerry's clothing?

by monkey mind 15.07.12 21:21

One wrote:But the other puzzle is why was there no evidence found on any of Gerry's clothing?

That's a great question isn't it. I'm surprised it's not asked more often.

And here's another thought. We know that cadaverine is highly 'contagious', readily transferable, the odour will infact adhere to other surfaces or materials.

So if Kate's check pants were contaminated as she claims at work, coming into contact with various dead bodies, and presumably this cross contamination spread to cuddle cat, then why was not all or most of the McCann family holiday clothing contaminated??? Why did Eddie not alert to all or most of the family clothing???

Cadaverine will survive many a machine wash it is that pervasive. Yet Kate's check pants were presumably packed with all the rest of the family clothing in a holdall or case, and no one else's clothing was infected. How can that be if it were contaminated prior to the holiday as she claims?

And if it weren't, back to the original question. Why was Gerry's clothing seemingly uninfected?