Re: References to paedophilia in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

by biggurllypants 01.09.13 11:43

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clothing found including shower curtain
the whole big messy coverup

by biggurllypants 01.09.13 11:46

when did theother tapas return to gb ? the bag was found 2 weeks after maddy went missing

by marconi 01.09.13 14:14

Gillyspot wrote:Nope it was come on down.... David Payne!

"We know they didn't do it. One of our party saw Madeleine being abducted. We were waiting for something to happen but didn't in our worst nightmare think it would be this."

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I think Payne meant the mediacircus, which insisted on publishing about the case and that didn't leave the McCanns and Tapas 7 in peace.

by Guest 01.09.13 14:16

I'm sure it's been established before that the comment was made in September 2007 when the McCanns were made arguidos.

That's what was meant by expecting something to happen but never thinking that's what it would be.

by marconi 01.09.13 14:30

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clothing found including shower curtain
the whole big messy coverup

In my opinion, I think that the (pieces) of clothes or clothes that the McCanns used to clean up the apartment were put on the Gerry's blue bag and buried on the beach. Because they obviously used them to dry up behind the sofa.I also think that eventual monitors of the rest of the Tapas are also in that bag.

The bag found on the way to the airport is smoke and mirrors.

by Liz Eagles 01.09.13 14:42

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clothing found including shower curtain
the whole big messy coverup
In my opinion, I think that the (pieces) of clothes or clothes that the McCanns used to clean up the apartment were put on the Gerry's blue bag and buried on the beach. Because they obviously used them to dry up behind the sofa.I also think that eventual monitors of the rest of the Tapas are also in that bag.

@marconi.

I don't wish to derail this topic but I think you owe an apology to lj. I'm not letting go of this as you were quite rude to her.

by Guest 01.09.13 17:31

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I'm sure it's been established before that the comment was made in September 2007 when the McCanns were made arguidos.

That's what was meant by expecting something to happen but never thinking that's what it would be.

I've now found a reference for this.

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by Sietah 09.11.13 23:32

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:The photos of the twins being paraded around with multiple Cuddle cats make me spit feathers!

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mmm, I love the smell of Omo

by Sietah 09.11.13 23:47

I want to say this in general, sorry for being off-topic liar

Imo the only people that truly think a child in the hands of paedophiles can be unharmed, are paedophiles.
A paedophile thinks he just loves children and do nice things to the kid, and the kids enjoys it too, is an enabler.
Paedophiles think (or act that they think) they don't do any harm and if a kid later is a psychologic wreck, it is
not because of their loving deeds, but because the fuss others make of it.

by Sonmi-451 31.03.14 0:28

kangdang wrote:I have always found KM's comment "Whoever she is with she will be given them her tuppence worth" strange. She is referring to a child of not yet four whom has allegedly been snatched away from the security of her family and placed in heavens knows what situation with heavens knows who....and KM says..."Whoever she is with she will be given them her tuppence worth". Odds are that Madeleine would have been feeling lost, confused and terrified at best, I very much doubt she would be emotionally capable of giving her abductors "her tuppence worth". What does that comment say about KM's views of Madeliene?

Hi, (new here, so apologies if I'm making any mistakes in how I'm posting this. I trust someone will let me what I'm doing wrong if I have).

I note that a response to kangdang's original post challenged it and said that the sentence "giving her tuppence worth" has no sexual overtones.

I must disagree. A "tuppence" is old British slang for a young girl's vagina, (note: specifically a young girl).

Please see the following link for the slang definition of 'tuppence': [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

So, since I was raised in a family where my sisters used the slang/childish word 'tuppence', the sentence "Whoever she is with she will be given them her tuppence worth" belies, in a Freudian sense, a quite dark meaning.

The definition of a Freudian Slip, (source: Bing Dictionary] is as follows:
Freu·di·an slip

psychologically significant slip of tongue: an accidental mistake, usually the use of the wrong word in a sentence, thought to betray somebody's subconscious preoccupations

by **Nina** 31.03.14 0:42

Sonmi-451 wrote:
kangdang wrote:I have always found KM's comment "Whoever she is with she will be given them her tuppence worth" strange. She is referring to a child of not yet four whom has allegedly been snatched away from the security of her family and placed in heavens knows what situation with heavens knows who....and KM says..."Whoever she is with she will be given them her tuppence worth". Odds are that Madeleine would have been feeling lost, confused and terrified at best, I very much doubt she would be emotionally capable of giving her abductors "her tuppence worth". What does that comment say about KM's views of Madeliene?

Hi, (new here, so apologies if I'm making any mistakes in how I'm posting this. I trust someone will let me what I'm doing wrong if I have).

I note that a response to kangdang's original post challenged it and said that the sentence "giving her tuppence worth" has no sexual overtones.

I must disagree. A "tuppence" is old British slang for a young girl's vagina, (note: specifically a young girl).

Please see the following link for the slang definition of 'tuppence': [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

So, since I was raised in a family where my sisters used the slang/childish word 'tuppence', the sentence "Whoever she is with she will be given them her tuppence worth" belies, in a Freudian sense, a quite dark meaning.

The definition of a Freudian Slip, (source: Bing Dictionary] is as follows:
Freu·di·an slip

psychologically significant slip of tongue: an accidental mistake, usually the use of the wrong word in a sentence, thought to betray somebody's subconscious preoccupations

Hello Kangdang and welcome. I have to agree re what the term 'tuppence' meant in my background.
However to give my two penneth had a totally different meaning,

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by Sonmi-451 31.03.14 2:09

Nina wrote:
Sonmi-451 wrote:
kangdang wrote:I have always found KM's comment "Whoever she is with she will be given them her tuppence worth" strange. She is referring to a child of not yet four whom has allegedly been snatched away from the security of her family and placed in heavens knows what situation with heavens knows who....and KM says..."Whoever she is with she will be given them her tuppence worth". Odds are that Madeleine would have been feeling lost, confused and terrified at best, I very much doubt she would be emotionally capable of giving her abductors "her tuppence worth". What does that comment say about KM's views of Madeliene?

Hi, (new here, so apologies if I'm making any mistakes in how I'm posting this. I trust someone will let me what I'm doing wrong if I have).

I note that a response to kangdang's original post challenged it and said that the sentence "giving her tuppence worth" has no sexual overtones.

I must disagree. A "tuppence" is old British slang for a young girl's vagina, (note: specifically a young girl).

Please see the following link for the slang definition of 'tuppence': [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

So, since I was raised in a family where my sisters used the slang/childish word 'tuppence', the sentence "Whoever she is with she will be given them her tuppence worth" belies, in a Freudian sense, a quite dark meaning.

The definition of a Freudian Slip, (source: Bing Dictionary] is as follows:
Freu·di·an slip

psychologically significant slip of tongue: an accidental mistake, usually the use of the wrong word in a sentence, thought to betray somebody's subconscious preoccupations

Hello Kangdang and welcome. I have to agree re what the term 'tuppence' meant in my background.
However to give my two penneth had a totally different meaning, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=two-penneth

Hi Nina & thanks for your welcome, (it's actually Sonmi-451 here, kangdang made the original comment big grin

). I've been reading these threads for some time from the side-curtains, but felt compelled to chip in on this particular issue.

I agree with you that the literal interpretation would be "two-penneth" and thus the meaning is exactly as you say, with KM suggesting that Madeleine would be giving her captor a hard time and that makes perfect sense.

However, I'm from a Northern ancestry and I use "Two-Penneth" (thoughts & views) and "Tuppence" (female parts) quite distinctly from each other, and although they might sound similar I, nor anyone around me, would ever accidentally mix the two. So I'm not sure if I presented my case very well! The idea I was trying to present was that using the word "tuppence worth" instead of "two-penneth worth" does change the meaning to a (slang & crude) sexual one.

If it was a Freudian slip it doesn't have to imply anything sinister. It could be either an 'innocent' Freudian slip, (e.g. someone with subconscious fears about what an abductor may be doing), just as it could equally be a 'suppression' Freudian slip, (e.g. someone suppressing conscious knowledge about what someone may be doing).

Just a thought... but it would be interesting to see what a Freudian psychiatrist would think if they heard the phrase "I bet she's giving whoever she's with her tuppence worth" in the specific context of a female and a male... particularly if that phrase was spoken by someone from an area where 'tuppence' was the common slang term for a female child's parts? Are there any psychiatrists in these threads? I'm happy to go with what the experts think...

by Guest 31.03.14 7:54

I agree about the subtle difference between the words tuppence and two penneth worth.

It concerns me that a northerner like Kate would use the word tuppence in the context that she did.

If this was the only suspect thing she ever said or did, it could be dismissed as innocent but of course 99% of her actions are open to suspicion.

P.S. Forgot to say welcome

to Sonmi-451.

by Snifferdog 31.03.14 9:49

Hello nice to be back! I have been wanting to post for some time but unable to as laptop was stolen from the car with modem. Thieves here have a new way of getting your stuff from your car. They have a remote which they covertly press as you press your remote to lock your car. My phone was broken so I had a temp one which I could not post with.

A headmaster of a very prestigious private school was arrested in my area (Mpumalanga), for the possession of child pornography. At the same time a middle class couple were arrested in my area for paedophilia involving their very own children. They were arrested after taking their mobile phone for repairs. The husband realised that he had not wiped off incriminating photos and an employee seeing the photos alerted the police who arrested the husband when he went back to retrieve his phone.
The school principal arrested will be going on trial shortly, he was arrested on a tip off from the Netherlands, a spin off from an ongoing Interpol investigation who are busy investigating a huge paedophile network spanning countries such as UK Belgium Netherlands.

About a year ago there was an entire family arrested in Pretoria for paedophilia. When the police raided the middleclass suburban house the adults were actually caught in the act in bed with the poor children. These adults were the parents as well as the grandparents. They were also making videos for the paedophile market.

The sooner we open our eyes to the depths of depravity people are prepared to sink to for money, and to satisfy their own perversions, the sooner innocent children can be protected and helped. The thought of paedophilia happening within the family circle offends decent peoples sensibilities, but we cannot bury our heads ostrich like and ignore it. It is a shame that children involved may read certain unpalatable posts, but a crime has been committed, and the perpetrators seem to be getting away with it. Paedophilia is rife in this world, and has perhaps affected more people than we can imagine. x

by maebee 24.05.14 0:45

kangdang wrote:I have always found KM's comment "Whoever she is with she will be given them her tuppence worth" strange. She is referring to a child of not yet four whom has allegedly been snatched away from the security of her family and placed in heavens knows what situation with heavens knows who....and KM says..."Whoever she is with she will be given them her tuppence worth". Odds are that Madeleine would have been feeling lost, confused and terrified at best, I very much doubt she would be emotionally capable of giving her abductors "her tuppence worth". What does that comment say about KM's views of Madeliene?

Indeed. How could a 3 year old girl give her "tuppence worth" to her abductor? What a ridiculous thing for KM to say. It's like saying she's not worried, Three year old Madeleine would sort out her abductor. I had dismissed this comment from KM as another one of her ridiculous statements but today I saw this:

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and I have to say, it confirms my suspicions about what this case is all about Sad

by Guest 24.05.14 9:54

The more usual wording of the expression which means to speak your mind is to give your two penn'orth worth.

I can't help wondering if, along with the inappropriate photos and other odd comments, that this is an in-joke.

by Snifferdog 24.05.14 10:15

NFWTD, I purport the theory that the photos and Kate's words such as tuppence worth, plus various strange utterances and scribblings, are a subtle message (warning), to others to keep up the support system for the pair...or else certain doings of powerful people will be made public. All imo.

by spacestar 29.01.17 0:14

Marian wrote:Aiyoyo, I can understand how someone whose child was genuinely missing could at times have dreadful thoughts and dreams as to what might have happened. However, putting them into words (page 129, that number is ingrained in my mind!) is entirely another matter, especially when it's claimed that the book was wriiten for the benefit of one's other children.

Kate's statement that Madeleine will be giving her abductor her tuppence worth concerns me. To me as a southerner, all it means is that Madeleine will be standing up for herself and not be lost for words. However, as shown in the link, "tuppence" is also a euphemism for the female genitalia. I believe that it is now dated and was more prevalent in the north of England.

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I can't help but wonder if Kate, raised in Liverpool, would have been aware of the other meaning of the word and, if she was, why she chose to use it.

I don't know what to make of Kate McCann's book to be honest, I haven't got past the 8th chapter, but from reading excerpts on forums etc I can't help but get an uneasy feeling about all of this. Several references are made to washing/bathing, and toilet issues, with her mentioning on the last night she put her to bed after her last "wee wee", all unnecessary detail as far as I can see, and as for the quote on page 129 regarding her perfect little genitals being torn apart, I just have a very odd feeling that maybe Madeleine had some kind of defect in her genitals. It's a psychological thing I read about once, about how people try to reinforce an idea through unnecessary detail in what they say. I may be well off the mark, but something is very very wrong about this whole case, and many of the photos and remarks made by the McCanns themselves would feed a paedophiles fantasy. IMO of course.

by worriedmum 29.01.17 20:51

I've said this before on another thread, but who on earth even knows what 'perfect genitals' look like? It's all too weird..

by JohnyT 29.01.17 22:45

worriedmum wrote:I've said this before on another thread, but who on earth even knows what 'perfect genitals' look like? It's all too weird..

I should imagine a dotor would have seen quite a few..........
JohnyT

by second-guessed 28.02.17 9:21

Cherry wrote:It would seem the real protection of children is way down on the list of successive British Governments.

Coincidentally, I just listened to an American video, The Hagmann Report, (2/25/17)
interviewing David Steele. Part of it deals with pedophilia. At about 33.00 David Steele remarks (and I am paraphrasing) why this subject is so low profile:

33.00 Because the FBI and the media have not covered the subject of pedophilia, what we have is a vigilante mob [in the US]. Steele has been pro ‘citizen intelligence minutemen’ in the media for the last 30 years. But in the US there is now a social media mob. [Thankfully, I don't include this forum as such a mob, which is an endorsement of it.]

He goes on to say that "There is an FBI pedophilia target and there are over 30 politicians in the US on the arrest list." This is new.

Also, "Some say, Paedophile should be dropped into the ocean..” However, he stresses "Truth and Reconciliation as a way of dealing with them. Why? If you capture one and get him to talk he will give away all the other pedos. Then you can clean out the whole nest. If you don’t have this Truth and Reconciliation system they will clam up. and you will get only one."

He does go on to say that, "You can go back later and decide that if one is such a threat to society he must be put away, but by and large educating the public is much more important than punishment because pedophilia is COMMON. Police departments have been ordered to ignore pedophilia. “The same thing happens in the United Kingdom…a previous Prime Minister was a pedophile… Prime Minister of UK was protected and covered up by orders.”

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My experience of watching Operation Grange is that it is a cosmetic exercise. This forum is full of people demanding justice for Madeleine, yet nothing comes of it. This, evidently, is policy.

by NickE 28.02.17 15:15

Paedophile hunter "Stinson Hunter" with over 500,000 followers posted this on his FB earlier this month.
It's about this case:
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And he posted this a few days ago(I don't know if it's connected to his post re McCann case.

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by MayMuse 28.02.17 15:21

NickE wrote:Paedophile hunter "Stinson Hunter" with over 500,000 followers posted this on his FB earlier this month.
It's about this case:
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And he posted this a few days ago(I don't know if it's connected to his post re McCann case.

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He was also in communication with the recent Jodie Marsh input, ref her tweets?

by Guest 25.10.17 12:22

willowthewisp wrote: People keep stating there is/are no elements of "Paedophilia"connected to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann,but quite how you can determine such claims,seems to be ambiguous,especially when CEOP's boss,Jim Gamble has such close affinity to a former named Arquido,along with the 90%claim that RM was there chief suspect in that case,then when you add in his review for Scotland Yard in 2010 before he resigned from his role at CEOP, Home secretary,Theresa May?

Snipped from willowthewisp's post on Media Mayhem thread.

by Ellie 30.10.17 19:23

I am very concerned that Madeleine may have been taken by such an evil organisation because of the evidence I have found from such widespread sources on the internet. That paedophilia has been the disgrace of British Government for decades is well known since the Savile exposure. It is implicated in the Royal Family too. Cover-ups were known to be made by Margaret Thatcher. It looks as if anyone who spoke out, at any time or place, be it government or the BBC, would die suddenly. I have been listening to the YouTube video: Michael Shrimpton Exposes Ted Heath and others in which he briefly refers to Madeleine whom he clearly regards as being a victim of paedophiles, taken for a famous figure and he says would have lost her life because of this. I expect there is more on this elsewhere. I can't look now, I can only take so much at a time.

by JRP 30.10.17 20:37

I wouldn't believe anything Michael Shrimpton says about Madeleine McCann.

by Guest 30.10.17 20:56

Ellie wrote:
.... he briefly refers to Madeleine whom he clearly regards as being a victim of paedophiles, taken for a famous figure and he says would have lost her life because of this.

What - abducted by a paedophile gang from a second rate tourist resort whilst the parents are conveniently dining a crows fly away? The parents complicit with this paedophile gang, thus agreed to take a spring holiday for one week with a group of friends in order to facilitate said abduction?

Can't you see the flaws in this hypothesis? If the parents are complicit in an arranged abduction, why choose this particular destination to carry out the plan? Wouldn't it be easier to just sell their child to the highest bidder by private arrangement.

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by Ellie 31.10.17 10:55

Yes Verdi it does seem ridiculous. I was trying to air this possibility because it was the subject of an abduction about which I read published at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] under the heading "Madeleine McCann and the European Commission paedophile scandal" at page 23." The report states in part this:

[...] "It was confirmed on August 7, 2007 by the Metropolitan Police of London that Madeleine McCann was abducted on orders by a paedophile organisation based in Belgium. We have been informed that the way this depraved activity operates is by the 'client' receiving three photographs of different children who chooses one and is then provided with the child to meet his depraved requirements. The individual who selected Madeleine McCann is a high ranking official at the European Commission in Brussels, and his name has been reported to this service.......Late insertion: The Editor had intended to withhold the identity of the European Commission official concerned. However, in light of the threat and given that in these circumstances the lapse of time between the threat and exposure that must be minimised, we have been forced to reveal the name of the official concerned. His hereby shamed name is Jose Manuel Barroso, President of the European Commission."

The report continues by informing the reader that the paedophile and abduction ring is actually run out of the EC itself.

I can only find it on this website now:

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the following appears on the page; "Some results may have been removed under data protection law in Europe."
However, the Barrister Michael Shrimpton speaks of Madeleine in the same way, as I said above. I have been very suspicious about the summoning of Robert Murat from England to PdL before the announcement, the arrival of Interpol at the scene, seemingly in a clandestine manner, before the local Police arrived, the urgent involvement of Gordon Brown - this was the first alarm bell for me at the time - and the trampling all over the flat to destroy evidence. I do agree with you about the two dogs though. I am simply raising issues which have come up in my searches, and the horrible paedophile one has come from different places when I have not been looking at this case or at such terrible child abuse. My aim is to keep an open mind to all possibilities and questions raised until we have confirmative proof which points to a clear explanation. thanks for all your comments and dedication to this matter. I find it really helpful.

by Ellie 31.10.17 11:05

JRP wrote:I wouldn't believe anything Michael Shrimpton says about Madeleine McCann.

Thanks JRP! I need some help here - I'm not familiar with the man and would be glad to hear some testimonials on him! He speaks (on YouTube interviews) as if he knows everything! I've been wondering how he's got away with the things he says about people.

by Guest 31.10.17 11:54

I do understand why people focus on the paedophile aspect with the Gasper's statements etc, and the make up photo but, tbh? Imo? It's just a distraction and I don't believe this happened to Madeleine.
I think this is too much of a convenient excuse for the McCann's and the UK police to keep pushing the abduction so called theory.
I can't see it even being a possibility as I said, just my opinion

References to paedophilia in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann