Re: Bernt Stellander interview

by **BerntS** 16.10.24 11:36

Blood UNDER the tiles, tells us there must have been blood on top of the tiles.

by **BerntS** 16.10.24 11:42

Nina.
Correct, THAT BLOOD came from a dead person.

by **crusader** 16.10.24 11:53

But Eddie could have been signalling to dried blood under the tiles as well as Keela.
He signalled only in the parents bedroom for a corpse and in the garden area.

by **Nina** 16.10.24 12:33

BerntS wrote:Nina.
Correct, THAT BLOOD came from a dead person.

Hi BerntS. How do we know it was blood seeping from a dead person? If she fell from the window ledge onto the hard floor beneath and cracked her head it would be blood from an alive person.
However if she bled and died all at the same time it would be seepage so yes certainly cadaverine would be found as it was blood mixing with cells that are beginning the process. The brain is the first organ to die after death so a brain injury from a fall could very easily be the source of not only the blood but also the scent of fresh decomposition.

by Jojo1 16.10.24 13:27

Nina wrote:
BerntS wrote:Nina.
Correct, THAT BLOOD came from a dead person.
Hi BerntS. How do we know it was blood seeping from a dead person? If she fell from the window ledge onto the hard floor beneath and cracked her head it would be blood from an alive person.
However if she bled and died all at the same time it would be seepage so yes certainly cadaverine would be found as it was blood mixing with cells that are beginning the process. The brain is the first organ to die after death so a brain injury from a fall could very easily be the source of not only the blood but also the scent of fresh decomposition.

Not forgetting the stoppage of her heart beat.That is also the first organ to die alongside the brain. There would still be blood from the head bang and possible resuscitation attempts.blood still pools initially in organs that have stopped and died. It is possible that there would have been some leakage from her nose and ears after a catastrophic bump to the head Cadaverine process would have begun immediately no matter how swiftly her little body was moved

by **AnneCGuedes** 16.10.24 13:36

crusader wrote:But Eddie could have been signalling to dried blood under the tiles as well as Keela.
He signalled only in the parents bedroom for a corpse and in the garden area.

Blood that had dried on spot.
E was the only one to alert in the parents' bedroom, also the first spot where he alerted : freshest scent.

by **crusader** 16.10.24 13:42

Correct Anne

by **AnneCGuedes** 16.10.24 14:17

crusader wrote:I know that Bluebag, thanks, my point was there didn't necessarily have to be blood present for a cadaver dog to detect a body.

It is because the presence of blood is neither sufficient nor necessary for a ‘cadaver’ dog to detect a body that MG used two dogs. If Eddie alerts to a residual odour (no corpse present), he sends Keela 1) to confirm that Eddie is not alerting to decaying blood and 2) in the hope that she will find even a tiny amount of blood to identify the missing corpse. If Keela doesn't alert where Eddie has alerted (despite the absence of a corpse), then Eddie has probably alerted to a residual odour of a corpse and not to decomposing blood.

by 1Reason 16.10.24 18:56

And this is how and why the Mccanns get away free...
Too many different theories.
Too many experts confusing what a dog can and cannot detect, with their
scientific knowledge of blood / cadaverine and the timeline of decomposition.

All I know this case will never be solved, unless there is a body.

She died, they lied

by Honesty 16.10.24 20:44

1Reason wrote:And this is how and why the Mccanns get away free...
Too many different theories.
Too many experts confusing what a dog can and cannot detect, with their
scientific knowledge of blood / cadaverine and the timeline of decomposition.

All I know this case will never be solved, unless there is a body.

She died, they lied

Surely, the reason the McCanns have got away free, so far, is mainly due to all the high level corruption surrounding this case.

None of us actually know what happened and therefore there will be different theories.

by **AnneCGuedes** 17.10.24 0:45

The fact they have got away free shouldn't be an issue, the question is what has allowed a hypothesis to be brandished as a fact in defiance of all contradictory evidence, and how a fund intended to find a child who has allegedly been abducted, despite the lack of transparency, does not arouse any suspicion.

by Justice for Maddie 17.10.24 8:24

Jill Havern wrote:PeterMacOne of the features of a decent book is that it challenges, and forces us/ me to think about what I thought I knew
FD's conclusion is that Madeleine died during the evening of Wednesday 2/5/7, was discovered, and that either attempts were made to resuscitate or she was already clearly dead, AND was then moved that same evening or during the early hours of the night to the location where as Kate informed us, she lay "cold and mottled, on a big grey stone slab." (p.103)

Interesting. Was Maddie lying on a stone slab in the cemetery?

Bernt Stellander interview - Page 27 Screen14

by **crusader** 17.10.24 8:40

If Madeleine was lying "cold and mottled" on a big grey stone slab, she would have been found pretty soon.
These words are not pointers or hidden messages in my opinion.

by Justice for Maddie 17.10.24 8:45

Maybe at first she was laid on a stone slab in the cemetery and then they hid her in the cemetery.

by **crusader** 17.10.24 8:50

If Kate was hinting Madeleine was on a stone slab, (which I don't think she was) because she wanted her to be found, it wasn't a very good hint was it.

by pinkgladioli 17.10.24 8:54

Hi Crusader, I’m intrigued to know where you think she may have been put?

by **PeterMac** 17.10.24 8:58

Justice for Maddie wrote:Maybe at first she was lying on a stone slab and then they hid her in the cemetery.

Why not on a stone slab IN the cemetery ?
Perhaps this is something James E could ask or Bernt S could explain in the next interview

by **Jill Havern** 17.10.24 9:00

Bernt explains in his book:

Bernt Stellander interview - Page 27 Cemeta10

by pinkgladioli 17.10.24 9:03

Jill Havern wrote:Bernt explains in his book:

He mentioned in his JE podcast too and how he knew it was feasable

by **crusader** 17.10.24 9:12

@pinkgladioli wrote
Hi Crusader, I’m intrigued to know where you think she may have been put?

I have absolutely no idea, if I had to guess, I would say, possibly the Luz lookout point temporarily.
Not near the top, somewhere around the bottom.
That is certainly not cast in concrete, just a guess because like I say, I have no idea where they put her.
It's quite possible Madeleine was taken to the cemetery, it wouldn't be my first choice though.

by **CaKeLoveR** 17.10.24 9:12

Was he taking a risk, by going on this walk? It might have been night, but anybody could have been about.

by Justice for Maddie 17.10.24 9:17

Jill Havern wrote:Bernt explains in his book:

Yes, that's what I meant. Maybe the body was on the stone slab in the cemetery and then it was placed in the grave.

by Jojo1 17.10.24 9:20

We may never know where Madeleine was and is no matter what hypotheses is brought to the table. Madeleine needs to be found otherwise we just keep going round in circles in our attempts to fathom it all out. we end up complicating things. The longer it continues, the less hope we have in finding her and laying her to rest properly. It makes me incredibly sad to think that the McCanns are evading justice.Here we are, 17 years later and still no further forward apart from various hypotheses. I cling on to hope that Bernts findings will progress this case forward now, otherwise we will still be here in 17 years time focusing on the various entities related to the case and no further forward in finding Madeleine.

by pinkgladioli 17.10.24 9:25

CaKeLoveR wrote:Was he taking a risk, by going on this walk? It might have been night, but anybody could have been about.

Possibly anyone seeing a man with a bag may have just assumed it was someone leaving the resort for an early morning flight

by pinkgladioli 17.10.24 9:48

crusader wrote:@pinkgladioli wrote
Hi Crusader, I’m intrigued to know where you think she may have been put?

I have absolutely no idea, if I had to guess, I would say, possibly the Luz lookout point temporarily.
Not near the top, somewhere around the bottom.
That is certainly not cast in concrete, just a guess because like I say, I have no idea where they put her.
It's quite possible Madeleine was taken to the cemetery, it wouldn't be my first choice though.

I think the cemetery is a possibility, it’s gives me a shiver thinking about it though

by **Nina** 17.10.24 10:10

pinkgladioli wrote:
Jill Havern wrote:Bernt explains in his book:

He mentioned in his JE podcast too and how he knew it was feasable

It can't have been the bag we see in the PJ photos though as that was in the wardrobe on the night and early morning 3rd/4th May so was there another bag or if happened on the night of the 2nd was Madeleine removed from the bag and her body hidden and then the bag brought back to 5A the same night so we then saw it on the PJ photos?

by **CaKeLoveR** 17.10.24 11:06

pinkgladioli wrote:
CaKeLoveR wrote:Was he taking a risk, by going on this walk? It might have been night, but anybody could have been about.
Possibly anyone seeing a man with a bag may have just assumed it was someone leaving the resort for an early morning flight.

What if that person saw him after the event, say at breakfast in the morning, or at the pool? Once Madeleine has been declared missing, they would have joined the dots. The Smith family think they saw him (or somebody). It was the same risk of being seen.

by **CaKeLoveR** 17.10.24 11:08

Jojo, they have got away with fraud as well, which they knew from the beginning they couldn't be accused of.

by pinkgladioli 17.10.24 11:12

CaKeLoveR wrote:
pinkgladioli wrote:
CaKeLoveR wrote:Was he taking a risk, by going on this walk? It might have been night, but anybody could have been about.
Possibly anyone seeing a man with a bag may have just assumed it was someone leaving the resort for an early morning flight.
What if that person saw him after the event, say at breakfast in the morning, or at the pool? Once Madeleine has been declared missing, they would have joined the dots. The Smith family think they saw him (or somebody). It was the same risk of being seen.

Not if it happened like Bernts theory suggests

by **BerntS** 17.10.24 11:24

Crusader.
There is one large grey stone slab on top of the sarcophage, and one on the bottom of it. She could have been on top of the bottom one (inside the sarcophage) of course, since the body was intended to be hidden. I was confused too, at first about that. Keep in mind when Kate had her vivid slide show running for days and weeks, and sharing that with us, she was not yet at the stage where she wanted the lie to end. I still think it's a good description of a plausible scenario.
When Pat again reveals she didn't actually read the book, she claims I say they buried her at the cemetery....

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