Bernt Stellander interview

Bluebagthepirate wrote:It's not "unlucky" to bump into people on a street leading to bars and restaurants. It's a probability and one no one would take considering it was all kicking off 400 metres away.

AnneCGuedes wrote:

Bluebagthepirate wrote:It's not "unlucky" to bump into people on a street leading to bars and restaurants. It's a probability and one no one would take considering it was all kicking off 400 metres away.

That street doesn't lead to bars and restaurants. It leads to rocky beaches. It seems you've never been there !

Bluebagthepirate wrote:

AnneCGuedes wrote:

Bluebagthepirate wrote:It's not "unlucky" to bump into people on a street leading to bars and restaurants. It's a probability and one no one would take considering it was all kicking off 400 metres away.

That street doesn't lead to bars and restaurants. It leads to rocky beaches. It seems you've never been there !

??? 

It absolutely led to bars and restaurants.

That's where the Smiths were coming from.

It also led to apartment complexes.

That is where the Smiths were heading.

PeterMac wrote:

AnneCGuedes wrote:

PeterMac wrote:he believes that Smithman was Gerry, carrying the freshly dead and still warm, bloodied and leaking body of his daughter

That's my opinion too, except for the "fresly dead" (dead for over 20 hours) and "still warm" (cold) not "bloodied and leaking"...
Smithman was very unlucky to cross 9 people coming back home, the probability was almost null at this time and period of the year (I went there with Pat Brown and observed).

Death on Wednesday 2nd then, or very early hours of 3rd ?

I hadn't realised you visited with Pat B.    When was that ?

pinkgladioli wrote:
For that reason in my opinion if Mr Smith & fam had really seen Gerry they would have recognised him immediately on seeing him in newspapers and the TV coverage that was broadcast across the world in May not in September

Jill Havern wrote:From Bernt:

I don't speak or read Portuguese and that my job was basically done when the English translation of Amaral's book became available. 

crusader wrote:I'm at a loss as to know how anyone didn't hear the commotion going on in Praia da Luz that night.
I remember the tv channels talking to the residents and they all said how you could here people shouting Madeleine until the early hours of 4th May.

Honesty wrote:

Jill Havern wrote:There's no denying Lizzy has done some great research but, sadly, none of her videos will get the case reopened.

What Bernt is doing is pressuring the PJ to take a close look at the sites he has identified.

What on earth is wrong with that? This case needs some physical activity to even come close to getting the case reopened and investigated properly.

MMRG has been active with all our letters to the authorities, but this case needs something physical now, boots on the ground.

Which is what Bernt is doing!

I can't think anyone would think there was anything  wrong with Bernt pressuring the PJ if he genuinely believes in the sites.

But, imo, if others, particularly those giants who have toiled for so many years on this case, wish to voice an opinion that differs to Bernt, surely they should be free to do so.

AnneCGuedes wrote:
Death before he and later she came back from the Tapas bar.
In February 2012 I think. I invited PB for dinner and the following morning drove her and Joana Morais to PDL. We picked up Sofia de L (Astro) in Praia da Rocha and we had lunch at Paraiso. Joana was sick and I had a commitment, we left PDL around midnight. PB had found a room in the building across Agostinho da Silva St and had a clear view on G5A.

PeterMac wrote:

AnneCGuedes wrote:
Death before he and later she came back from the Tapas bar.
In February 2012 I think. I invited PB for dinner and the following morning drove her and Joana Morais to PDL. We picked up Sofia de L (Astro) in Praia da Rocha and we had lunch at Paraiso. Joana was sick and I had a commitment, we left PDL around midnight. PB had found a room in the building across Agostinho da Silva St and had a clear view on G5A.

which means I missed you all by a few hours.   Fate messes us all around.
I met Pat on the beach on what must have been the next day and we spend three days snooping and sleuthing and mucking around
And pushing up shutters and pacing things and timing things, and then had a look at the ‘Lawless Hinterlands” trying to imagine where the 
“Hellish Lair: might be.
And then dropped her off with Natasha D 
Pity we didn’t all meet

If I understand you right, you agree with Bernt’s Wednesday 2/5/7 date of death - Late evening or 
Early hours of the morning 3/5/7 , depending on the amount of alcohol - OR anything else - consumed (?)

Nina wrote:

AnneCGuedes wrote:

PeterMac wrote:

AnneCGuedes wrote:
Death before he and later she came back from the Tapas bar.
In February 2012 I think. I invited PB for dinner and the following morning drove her and Joana Morais to PDL. We picked up Sofia de L (Astro) in Praia da Rocha and we had lunch at Paraiso. Joana was sick and I had a commitment, we left PDL around midnight. PB had found a room in the building across Agostinho da Silva St and had a clear view on G5A.

which means I missed you all by a few hours.   Fate messes us all around.
I met Pat on the beach on what must have been the next day and we spend three days snooping and sleuthing and mucking around
And pushing up shutters and pacing things and timing things, and then had a look at the ‘Lawless Hinterlands” trying to imagine where the 
“Hellish Lair: might be.
And then dropped her off with Natasha D 
Pity we didn’t all meet

If I understand you right, you agree with Bernt’s Wednesday 2/5/7 date of death - Late evening or 
Early hours of the morning 3/5/7 , depending on the amount of alcohol - OR anything else - consumed (?)

These are the tricks of fate ! Then Joana and Sofia had a close friendship, I never understood why this turned into hostility. Didn't you meet Ima (Parapono) once ? She was very much interested in the trial and stayed for a while at Joana Morais'.

Late evening, K was still angry because of the night before when G had invited the quiz lady to their table. Like BS, I think that M used to start the night in her parents' bed so as not to disturb the twins’ sleep and that she was carried to her bed when her parents were back home. Either K thought G had put M back in her bed (she didn't turn on the light to get into the bed under the window) or she saw M wasn't in her bed but thought she was still in her parents' bed. They discovered the truth in the morning.

I have met Parapono she stayed with us for a week when we lived in Spain. I met her online and then built up a relationship. Sadly like many relationships we lost touch. She was also a friend to the late Kiko who was also a friend of ours and we met him and his wife many times.

Liz Eagles wrote:

Nina wrote:I have met Parapono she stayed with us for a week when we lived in Spain. I met her online and then built up a relationship. Sadly like many relationships we lost touch. She was also a friend to the late Kiko who was also a friend of ours and we met him and his wife many times.

Ima also went to France and England.

Cake Lover wrote:If only just one of them had bothered to check  that the children were all in bed.

AnneCGuedes wrote:

Liz Eagles wrote:

Nina wrote:I have met Parapono she stayed with us for a week when we lived in Spain. I met her online and then built up a relationship. Sadly like many relationships we lost touch. She was also a friend to the late Kiko who was also a friend of ours and we met him and his wife many times.

Ima also went to France and England.

Ima had a bad experience in France with "Châtelaine". She went to London for the TB's trial. I met her at the Lisbon Court of Justice. She had only a couch in JM's flat, so she came to my place and after that stayed with me each time the MC trial had a new development. Last Spring she had a very disabling problem in her shoulder : calcium deposition within the structure of the tendons that seems to have been finally well treated with the Barbotage procedure.

PeterMac wrote:

Cake Lover wrote:If only just one of them had bothered to check  that the children were all in bed.

The only difference is that Bernt thinks they found her dead that night (2/5/7), rather than the next morning.
It is a small point, and to a certain extent not terribly important in the bigger overall scenario
except that the McCanns might have taken steps that night (2/5/7) and early hours of the morning of 3/5/7 
to 'deal with the situation' rather than doing the whole thing the following morning    (3/5/7)

That includes secretion of the body, disposal to first hiding place, First draft of Scene 1 of the Play,
ensuring that Kate 'agrees' with Gerry's plan. and much more involving allocating rôles to the other Tapas Actors.

Of course all the witnesses (so-called) were being asked about Thursday 3/5/7, and no one seems to have asked in detail about previous nights.
which may be why so many had nothing much to say.  

Bernt points out that everything important in Kate's book starts on 3/5/7.   And in her Journal / Diary
He discusses this at some length,

Shash T wrote:

If they found her dead the night of 2/5/7, or even the morning of 3/5/7, does this give them enough time to forensically clean the apartment, come up with a plan and write time lines?

Cake Lover wrote:If only just one of them had bothered to check  that the children were all in bed.

AnneCGuedes wrote:

Shash T wrote:

If they found her dead the night of 2/5/7, or even the morning of 3/5/7, does this give them enough time to forensically clean the apartment, come up with a plan and write time lines?

You may die without spilling any blood  (for instance positional smothering). Frankly I think that their first reaction must have been sideration, horror, despair.

AnneCGuedes wrote:

Cake Lover wrote:If only just one of them had bothered to check  that the children were all in bed.

Imo that's the key. Had they not been so stupidly angry with each other, they'd have checked (remember "we let her down"). Was it too late for M ? Likely, but they could have called an emergency nb, no MC case would have started, the media wouldn't have known a word of it and M would have been given a funeral.

Ladyinred wrote:

AnneCGuedes wrote:

Cake Lover wrote:If only just one of them had bothered to check  that the children were all in bed.

Imo that's the key. Had they not been so stupidly angry with each other, they'd have checked (remember "we let her down"). Was it too late for M ? Likely, but they could have called an emergency nb, no MC case would have started, the media wouldn't have known a word of it and M would have been given a funeral.

Too much alcohol affected their behaviour and decision-making that evening.