Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case

I think it would be interesting to know where they all are now and where they are working, etc. Not that we are all going to turn up at their doors with flaming torches but why should they be allowed to slip into anonymity?

They were never approached, were they? No reporters camped on their lawns, or trained long lens cameras on them., both of which normally happen to people who are involved in horrible events. They have been treated with kid gloves.

So true. All part of the same big cover-up.

Honesty wrote:I think it would be interesting to know where they all are now and where they are working, etc. Not that we are all going to turn up at their doors with flaming torches but why should they be allowed to slip into anonymity?

Not sure how up to date this is as I have noticed basic google research on members of the tapas group meets up with either not a lot or very little, 

https://kingstonhospital.nhs.uk/consultant/oldfield-dr-matthew/

Nice picture of David the finger sucker, 

https://www.ramsayhealth.co.uk/specialists/mr-david-payne

I did read somewhere Kate was now working with people with dementia . 
Poor souls haven't they got enough to handle without having " poor me " Kate thrust upon them !

Having worked with those with dementia Alzheimer's  she's the last person I would want alongside me !

sandancer wrote:I did read somewhere Kate was now working with people with dementia . 
Poor souls haven't they got enough to handle without having " poor me " Kate thrust upon them !

Having worked with those with dementia Alzheimer's  she's the last person I would want alongside me !

I am caring for my husband who has dementia along with other comorbidities and no way would I want her anywhere near him.

Nina wrote:

Honesty wrote:

crusader wrote:I agree, they were told not to show emotion by crying or looking upset., so they went completely the other way.
They have done themselves no favours by acting the way they did.
It looks to me anyway, they portray themselves more upset now than what they were then, but it's too late.

Even if told to hide their emotions, which seems odd to me, I cannot see how any parents who had had a child go missing would be able to do so. Surely, they would at the very least be struggling to contain their emotions.

Would they even have been told to behave like that? It is impossible to not show intense emotion even if you tried as it is a natural function that overwhelms you. Like grief after a great loss it is like a wave that just washes over you at the most unexpected time. Everyone here in this place must have experienced that in their lives and felt the helplessness.

Told by whom is a more pertinent question.

crusader wrote:Probably by the same person who told them what they did was in line with good parenting. 

That advice resulted in Gerry McCann writing a blog which made little emotional sense.

Ive finished the second part of the book (not the first) and I have a few observations.   It has already been mentioned that there is a lot of repetition. but dont let that put you off. It has the feel of a novel which is perhaps why I struggled with it a bit as I only read non-fiction because I dont like the words for words sake nature of novels. That said, it is well researched and thought through and is facinating to see how Bernt decides what actions to take and how he carries them out. His style is perhaps a good tactic. Non-fiction readers will read it for the information and novel readers will read it for the story.   its worth it.
I dont want to spoil the surprises so I will confine myself to what is already known. He feels the Smith sighting was some Random with his child which I really struggle with.  The police would have checked all the creches and identified him and/or he would have come forward himself.  Even Tannerman was identified eventually and he was imaginary!!  so, we will have to agree to disagree on that one. 

As is known, i.e. the subject of his book, he believes MM was buried in the hills above PDL. Ive always believed she would have been buried at sea as anything else would be insane.  But he provides a compelling case for his theory and I am willing to accept I was wrong and she is indeed buried as he says. Its still insane!!!

He also chooses 2nd May as the disaster day for reasons he explains. That is another one that divides people and it will be down to your own beliefs whether you run with his theory or have one of your own.

There is something in the book which I do find facinating. I cant say what it is for obvious reasons, hopefully those reading it will twig, but he makes a statement which I am hoping and praying is a deliberate lie on his part.  If so, it is brilliant.  Now, I could be totally wrong and the stament he made is truthful and theres nothing to see here, but Im desperately hoping he is lying. If so, it will have far reaching consequences.  Its also possible that I am totally barking up the wrong
 tree.  If it ever comes out, I will confess that is what I was aluding to.  

Anyway, all in all I would urge you to read it. If you struggle with its bulk you can seperate it into more manageable parts, but mine is still intact and Ive managed without problems...and I do have a lot of problems with my hands, so it can be done.   Enjoy.

Paddingtom wrote:
.....There is something in the book which I do find facinating. I cant say what it is for obvious reasons, hopefully those reading it will twig, but he makes a statement which I am hoping and praying is a deliberate lie on his part.  If so, it is brilliant.  Now, I could be totally wrong and the stament he made is truthful and theres nothing to see here, but Im desperately hoping he is lying. If so, it will have far reaching consequences.  Its also possible that I am totally barking up the wrong
 tree.  If it ever comes out, I will confess that is what I was aluding to. ....

Now that is a big tease   
I do not have the book so like many others, I imagine, will have to remain mystified.

Not sure why you can't say what it is or what the obvious reasons are but I trust you know what you are thinking here. it is just making me want to order the book now.
Are you on commission, by any chance?     

Yes, spit it out Paddingtom 

Or, at least, tell me which page it's on.

deepeepee wrote:

Paddingtom wrote:
.....There is something in the book which I do find facinating. I cant say what it is for obvious reasons, hopefully those reading it will twig, but he makes a statement which I am hoping and praying is a deliberate lie on his part.  If so, it is brilliant.  Now, I could be totally wrong and the stament he made is truthful and theres nothing to see here, but Im desperately hoping he is lying. If so, it will have far reaching consequences.  Its also possible that I am totally barking up the wrong
 tree.  If it ever comes out, I will confess that is what I was aluding to. ....

Now that is a big tease   
I do not have the book so like many others, I imagine, will have to remain mystified.

Not sure why you can't say what it is or what the obvious reasons are but I trust you know what you are thinking here. it is just making me want to order the book now.
Are you on commission, by any chance?    

I'm guessing that the possible lie is designed  to prompt a reaction. A double bluff? Will the main players or the Nuggets have to react whether it's a lie, or even if it isn't? This is intriguing.

deepeepee wrote:

Paddingtom wrote:
.....There is something in the book which I do find facinating. I cant say what it is for obvious reasons, hopefully those reading it will twig, but he makes a statement which I am hoping and praying is a deliberate lie on his part.  If so, it is brilliant.  Now, I could be totally wrong and the stament he made is truthful and theres nothing to see here, but Im desperately hoping he is lying. If so, it will have far reaching consequences.  Its also possible that I am totally barking up the wrong
 tree.  If it ever comes out, I will confess that is what I was aluding to. ....

Now that is a big tease   
I do not have the book so like many others, I imagine, will have to remain mystified.

Not sure why you can't say what it is or what the obvious reasons are but I trust you know what you are thinking here. it is just making me want to order the book now.
Are you on commission, by any chance?     

I don't think he would deliberately lie in the book.  Why would he?  It would undermine his credibility, IMO, when the book's purpose is to expose all those other lies.

Perhaps there is more explanation for this, deeper into the book?

Explanation for what?

The 'lie', and why he put it there. Paddington considers it to be brilliant, if it is indeed a lie, and says it will have far reaching consequences. I don't know what the consequences will be if the statement turns out to be true. Paddington  does say that he could be barking up the wrong tree.

Jill Havern wrote:Yes, spit it out Paddingtom 

Or, at least, tell me which page it's on.

Here's a clue: it's in the second part of the book

Ladyinred wrote:

Jill Havern wrote:Yes, spit it out Paddingtom 

Or, at least, tell me which page it's on.

Here's a clue: it's in the second part of the book 

Taxi for Miss Ladyinred ! 

Ladyinred wrote:

Jill Havern wrote:Yes, spit it out Paddingtom 

Or, at least, tell me which page it's on.

Here's a clue: it's in the second part of the book

Oh C'mon

Chapter at least please  

It's a big book - have a heart    

sharonl wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:

Jill Havern wrote:Yes, spit it out Paddingtom 

Or, at least, tell me which page it's on.

Here's a clue: it's in the second part of the book

Oh C'mon

Chapter at least please  

It's a big book - have a heart    

May I ask you sharonl, did you have to pay postage? I have tried so many times to order it and then I get an email to say it is still in my basket and offers free postage. Then I go back to the sales pages free p&p then lo and behold what is probably the last page before payment I am asked to choose between two delivery methods both expensive. Ok it is expensive to parcel and send something so heavy but I am loathe to pay when offered free p&p.

Oh crikey everyone Im so sorry to have caused such excitement. I honestly thought everyone would just think  "interesting...wonder what it is...."

I am terrified of trying to give more information incase I drop a clanger and it is identified.....to EVERYONE.

how about if I tell one person what it is and then they can at least agree it is weird, or tell me Im being an idiot and theres nothing to see here?

As forum owner, Could I speak privately to you Jill  in anyway?

Everyone else, please calm down....Im probably just being stupid.

Cake Lover....you are right

Yes, please send me a private message.

crusader wrote:Just to throw a spanner in the works, B Stellander thinks the Smith sighting was some random with a child.
I read a statement of one of the nannies, I thought it was C Pennington? that there was one child left at the creche waiting to be picked up when the alarm was raised and she had to wait until the child had gone before she could join the search. 
Could this person have been Smithman taking his child home?
But I'm sure G Amaral would have spoken to him.

Sorry Crusader, didnt mean to ignore you...got caught up in something else!!!

I have to admit, I hadnt heard this, but I cant believe Amaral wouldnt have been all over this like a rash. From day 1 he knew what was going on and was determined to get to the bottom of it.  he wouldnt have let something like this slip through the net.

Just as an aside, while were talking about him, to show how dangerous the british thought he was, he says in his book that the british said they would not sign the pending Lisbon treaty unless Amaral was removed from office!!!

he was obviously doing something right, he knew how to upset all the right people.

I must admit I haven't read the book yet, although I don't mean to make excuses. This is all very intriguing. Also, does TFD think the Smith sighting is of no relevance?

Hi Honesty,

Bernt does not feel the Smith sighting matters. He thinks it was probably a random.  He  is aware of all the theories and goes with the Random.  He says GM wouldnt be so stupid to wander around PDL with a corpse.

He says tghe Smiths photofit was suppressed for years because it looked too much like gerry but feels that the Smiths could have been influenced by all the pictures of GM everywhere....very possibly....

He aslo says it was pointless carrying a decoy.  I 100% disagree. There was an enormous point. To show an abductor and abductee on cctv.  and also to setup the inference that they escaped by sea which links nicely with Sagresman turning up.    Just my opinion.  ps..he also says the CCTV at Estrela de Luz was not working, which to me is a bit irrelevant.   The mccanns wouldnt have known it wasnt working and Goncalo id on record as saying hes devastated that his officers didnt get to the tape before it was overwritten......not, it was broken.....that it was overwritten.   so it would appear it was working, but even if it wasnt, the mmccanns woiuldnt know that and wanted to get the abductor on cctv walking towards the beach.  The more I test my theory, the more Im convinced its right.   humble arent i?   he he,

Paddingtom wrote:
....Just as an aside, while were talking about him, to show how dangerous the british thought he was, he says in his book that the british said they would not sign the pending Lisbon treaty unless Amaral was removed from office!!!

he was obviously doing something right, he knew how to upset all the right people....

Wow, I had not heard that before. Was that in his first book, The Truth of the Lie?

Sorry, just found it.
"According to a British correspondent, the Prime Minister personally called Stuart Prior to ask for confirmation of my dismissal. Why would the head of the British government be interested in a lowly Portuguese official? We refuse to believe the rumours going around, according to which the signing of the Treaty of Lisbon was dependent on my dismissal. Rumours, of course, nothing more. I cannot help but think that for the first time in its history, the judiciary police has dismissed a simple official from his post because of external pressure."