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Post by sharonl 04.05.22 19:57

Sorry but this camper van is bugging me. We are not even sure that they have the right camper van.

How old is the camper van?

How old was it in 2007?

What condition is it in?

Where is it located?

Who has been maintaining it?

Is it roadworthy?

It looks to me as if it was a wreck back in 2007, that was 15 years ago. CB have been away from Portugal since then, in Italy, Germany, In prison. Did he travel in this van? Is it still in his possession?

I would have thought that if this wreck had been left behind it would have deteriorated quite badly and not roadworthy. Why wasn't it collected and scrapped?

If it had been left to rot, then it would have rusted by now, got damp and probably rat infested, not to mention vandalised or used by someone else for whatever reason. It doesn't make sense to think that a neglected vehicle would be a suitable place to obtain evidence from, 15 years later.

Any views on this?



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Post by Silentscope 04.05.22 20:31

There seem to be be two main “stories” about the VW Van.

A) Brückner was under Observation by the BKA, but started playing Games with them. He went to Amsterdam and dumped the Van, then took the train South through Switzerland to Italy, where he was later arrested.

B) The Van was bought by Bernard P, and was found in his Scrapyard.
The Piros had been using it as a day trip Van for some time after.
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Post by CaKeLoveR 04.05.22 21:15

#1, I agree, the van has passed through many hands, and it won't have been owned or occupied by hygiene conscious people. It probably has plenty of traces of booze and drugs, and revolting magazines, but a connection with Madeleine? This is desperation on the part of the authorities, imo.
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Post by PeterMac 04.05.22 21:30

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-bought-campervan-madeleine-mccann-23300766
'I bought a campervan from Madeleine McCann suspect and police have now seized it'
EXCLUSIVE: Peter W bought a Volkswagen T3 Westfalia campervan from Christian Brueckner in 2015 - but police have now seized it and taken it back to Germany for forensic tests


By
Andy LinesChief reporter
  • 20:00, 11 Jan 2021







Buying a van used by the Madeleine McCann prime suspect has turned into a nightmare, said its owner.









A car dealer identified only as Peter W has spoken for the first time about getting caught up in the investigation.

He said: “I got involved in something I had never thought of and I don’t wish on anyone”.
In 2015, Peter W, of Regensburg, southern Germany, paid suspect Christian Brueckner £5,000 for his yellow and white Volkswagen T3 Westfalia campervan in the Algarve, Portugal.




Christian Bruckners' camper van 0_JS212976912This VW T3 Westfalia campervan is connected to the case of missing Madeleine McCann
Police seized it from Peter W’s scrapyard and shipped it to Germany for forensic tests.
Experts are examining it for clues into three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007.
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Post by onehand 04.05.22 21:39

not directly the answers to your questions.

cb had access to multiple vehicles, the most attention has gotten the volkswagen t3 small campervan. 

there are 2 stories out there, the first is, this car was never owned by cb himself, but was lent to him, when he got out of the portuguese jail after the diesel arrest, he came out of jail around late 2006 just before christmas. 
the small campervan was owned by the piro family, and cb had no longer a roof over his head, was given as right to use it and , he was said that he also stayed a lot at the premises of the piro family.

the pirofamily had a kind of garage and scrap yard. most of that story was told in the sat 1 docu by jutta raben. who used it from time to time.

i never heard cb left the van in amsterdam, but traveled by bus to the netherlands before getting to italy. most people do not leave a vehicle just in amsterdam, it will easily end up in the hands of the parking company. and sold after a certain because owner not traceable, it would be quite wonderful to see it ended up in portugal again. to be sold to the peter w. figure.

the other story is from one of the tabloids, about a peter w. originated  from germany also, that told he bought the campervan from cb. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/13714845/madeleine-mccann-suspect-campervan/

so it is not very clear who is who, a lot of the old circle of cb have a like for aliases. 

but there is also tales about a blue bedford van, and the winnebago. 

volkswagens, from the true beetles to vans and campervans have usually just having a vehicle, but having it as a purpose in life. 

the campervans has usually some extra's from westphalia. like the roof that often can be extended. it could be on the t3 in use by cb called joker

they are still very populair as classic cars. meaning far less taxes.

the colors on the outside could be the original ones, and are called ivory b9 colorcode 567
for the underside it would be called bamboo yellow, b5 colorcode h1b

the t3 as campervan was build from 1985 to 1990 in germany, it is just one of 1,2 miljoen vans build as t3, but not only campervans. so it was already an old car, but not that old for a volkswagen. 
when you look at the pictures and the short bit of video of cb and van, it is easy to see he is not into the usual vw car enthousiast, or into the classic cars thing, he just uses it for transport and sleeping in it. 

my personal experience with vw vans is from some a whole lot older, they were already very old when my father to decide to buy one, just for transporting our family to our german family and our holidays there. 
it meant it was bought around christmas in a terrible state, and just made into a good function vehicle, no luxery thingies in it. the complete motor had to get revised, most parts still could be bought new, but you could make your own, or look for it at a scrapeyard. 

it ended with a fully paid holiday for a family of 9 in a german hotel, and still keep a nice bit of money for the next one. this was at the end of the sixties, the van ended up into a collection of a car collectioner. for us it was a bit of a extended hobby, but this was a really easy one, and they still are. even a t3 in pretty nasty condition inside and not ready to drive could cost you a few 1000 euros, nasty but driving from 5000 euro's and up. the nice ones, today in spec condition ready to drive, build 1989, 27900 euro's.

so yes, the car could be still in circulation, been used, been driven, depending on who it has and what they wanted. 

even a complete wracked van would be worth, or to someone who want to just restore it, or for the parts. 
shredding it is not very standard for these kind of vehicles. 

so that is still exist today, and was just standing at somebodies scrap yard is fully understandable. 

the mercedes vans are second best in extended life use. 

it was actually a good selling point with the german cars, even 20 or even 30 years later, you still would be able to order parts in. the later eighties made it a bit different, less hardy and sturdy motor parts. and most cars and vans have since then computer parts, so the good old make your own hands dirty is no longer that easy anymore. so everyone likes the real oldies still the most. the bedfords had also a long life, and the early citroen vans could easily be 30 years in service, and becoming rebuild into a simple camper. well all pre computer thingies. 

also most would have been diesel motors, far less delicate then the gasoline ones.

this one gives the technical data in english, with a bit longer extended sales years, 1979 to 1992, than the dutch site did, but it is common they are produced at least a year before the sales go ahead. 

https://www.car.info/en-se/volkswagen/transporter/t3-6312275/specs
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Post by PeterMac 04.05.22 21:48

But WAS it and IS it this one.   Or this one.
This is the fatal mistake Clarke made with the nonsense about the the invented "Sighting in Alcosebres" 
and his tracking of a VW camper on GERMAN Plates.


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Post by sharonl 04.05.22 22:08

Silentscope wrote:There seem to be be two main “stories” about the VW Van.

A) Brückner was under Observation by the BKA, but started playing Games with them. He went to Amsterdam and dumped the Van, then took the train South through Switzerland to Italy, where he was later arrested.

B) The Van was bought by Bernard P, and was found in his Scrapyard.
The Piros had been using it as a day trip Van for some time after.

Surely if it was dumped, it would have been towed away & destroyed at some time.

If it was used by the Piros for some time, are we to believe that a fibre managed to survive years of wear & tear, cleaning etc?

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Post by Silentscope 04.05.22 22:22

I think Crusader has the right idea, that the VW Van will become the ‘Scene of the Crime’ just as Diana M’s Bed which had a hair of Brückner found on it. It is all too convenient.

They will no doubt try to Brainwash the Public into believing that other points link up, such as the Sighting by the Supermarket by some woman.
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Post by onehand 05.05.22 8:10

which of the over 8500 sightings do you mean, the last woman believes seeing madeleine mccann at a supermarket in the news was a sighting from 2017!

this is one of the write ups of that one;

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-woman-claims-she-spotted-missing-girl-in-portuguese-resort-in-2017-12035540

first we have the peter w. story who tells he bought a van from cb in 2015.
and in 2017 a woman believes she saw madeleine speaking german and a van. 

even the tabloids would have a bit of a problem to merge your vision together.

for sharonl, bases on the portuguese license plate the van is registered from 82, and it is likely that is the also the year it was build, or at least on the market. the two numbers on the utter right side of the license plates, now old style portuguese, stand officially for year of production at the top, and month of production at the bottom, so that makes this a van that gotten his first registration by an owner in juli of 1982. it will be 40 years old later this summer, but that is not that unique for a volkswagen campervan. 
the separate german national sticker d, tells it would have had a german history of use on the road, the stickers were no longer used when the new regulations served the eu plates on cars. 

i can not remember when it was changed, but if you in the seventies bought a second hand car in germany. 
 and you had to go to the state office to get it a dutch license plate, you got the year you did that on the papers, a much used trick to make more money from the same car. a 10 year old second hand german car , became a new born one by registration. 

the pictures without cb on it of the van are said to be made by the german police, so 5000 pounds for a still able to be driven van, even with the interior in shambles and dirty is not overpriced. 

i'm still not sure if the vehicles in the pictures are really from the same van, the white one picture from upfront with the minions have a nice spray paint job done on the former yellow underparts, that is not something you can easily undo and get it in the used state as seen op the supposed later taken pictures near the beach. that shows again the original bamboo yellow. 

it would have more logic, when the germans just used pictures made by cb or another person, that have been made earlier, then the ones with the fresh coat of spray paint done on the front, the series of pictures with the white front and back with minions on it came from Amaral. the back side looks original, but the front does not. by words of Amaral it is known the version with the minions and the pretty fresh spray paint job upfront are from around 2007. are the ones the germans use older? you can not do a spray paint job undo, without losing that to fresh shine on it. 

so i'm starting to think, the picures used by the germans are a set older ones, maybe made at a certain time for an advertisement to sell it. made before the set with the minions on it. 
getting rid of the minions would be not that hard, but transforming the white tinted paint back to the original bamboo yellow is certainly not. faking patina is not an easy done job. 

you can see the original style pictures without cb is from another moment, the rusting parts are cleaner in the back. the paints are still on the market, but way would you only choose to work that bar between the bumper and grill back in the original color, but do nothing against the other rusty spots on the carriage. the volkswagens from before 85 are known as easily getting rusty. 

i would like it to see some dates, these pictures are really made. not when they have been printed. my head hates it when such details are a mess. 

but to get into finding fibers, of a maybe pyjama in this vehicle after it was used by different people, in portugal, and even maybe germany because the last known owner was a german, the peter w. from regensburg, germany, and being able to tell they are or must be part of the pyjama of the missing child, when the story line is the child and pyjama became missing at the same moment in time is very far fetched.

the only pyjama fibers that the pj has, are from a new one send in by the reseller from a new stocking year, a like, but not equal, and the jammies of a. the younger sister of the missing child, that are also as told a like, but with differences. so they have found possibly a fiber of a type used in cheap pyjama's and not the original pyjama's. 

do look up on youtube how cotton fabrics are made, there are many video's to find, but for cheap clothing, they can resource cotton from all over the world, there is no way to think, there are special cotton fabrication processes for only this 'brand'of pyjama's, in use for many years. the same bales of cotton could end up in different batches, for different cotton yarn, and it is mass production. 
so the forensics of those found fibers would hardly goes beyond it was a cotton fiber, alike in type of cotton fabric, that is in use for pyjama's and possibly even a lot of tshirts, underwear and lounge clothing. 

but as der hans is very persistent there is no forensics, how do they know what kind of fiber they have? 

a bit of fiber in a vehicle that is in use from 1982 on warts, and you do not have the original donor pyjamas?
but it must be of a specific pyjama, common how low would you go? 

could anyone tell me, why you would not find fibers in a used vehicle, and what is special about fibers from an original type of fabric that is in use for making also night garments in mass production, in a vehicle that is also meant to sleep in, and has a meaning at all? 

for anyone interested in fiber analysis, this is the place to go; 
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/about-us/lab/forensic-science-communications/fsc/april1999/houckch1.htm
there is fresher knowledge, but the like to keep that usually a bit for their own use. 

but as always in this case, confusion is good, per citation of the father of the missing child. but really even if we just take the press at face value, you still end up in even more questions then you want too.
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Post by Silentscope 05.05.22 8:33

Peter W from Regensburg is most likely a cover name made up by the U.K. Press.

The Piros, Bernard and his Son, Flávio have been identified by the German press. 

https://youtu.be/8C2nRYK9pxg
CC Auto translation is available in English.
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Post by onehand 05.05.22 10:20

yes, i do know about these rumors, but why would you buy something you already own. 

because that is what is told on screen by the piro family, like in the sat1 docu of jutta rabe. giving something to use, is not a legal manner of transfer of ownership. so you have or just the next impossible story fabricated by the press, or for the press. 

by telling to the press in name of peter w. from germany, you bought the vehicle in question in 2015 from cb, you implicate yourself very nicely into a sighting at a supermarket in 2017 in connection with a living madeleine mccann, as purported by a female witness. 

or that is the result of your formation of media releases. from people who did not very much in telling this to any investigation in this case. why do you believe these stories? do you believe the 2017 sighting?

a very good piece of evidence about the abilities of the media into painting their own copy of others versions of their truth is to find in that old piece peter mac has written about. the tales of the missing water slide. 
https://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2021/02/beyond-reasonable-waterslide-beyond-pale.html
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Post by crusader 05.05.22 10:48

What is for sure is the white and yellow VW was being used by CB in 2007, the only person who say's differently is G Amaral who produces a photo of a VW covered in cartoons and a mock up of CB with long hair.

The proof of this is a video of CB and the VW on March 30th 07. It clearly shows CB with short hair and the scruffy VW.

The photo's of the VW with the cartoons and Brueckner with long hair only confuse the matter.

The above video posted by Silentscope, says the VW was seized by BKA in 2009, so it looks like that was when the photo's of the scruffy VW were taken.

So if the photo's of the seized scruffy VW were taken in 2009 by German police, how did CB manage to get it back and sell it to  the Piros in 2015, when they resprayed it and painted cartoons on it.?
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Post by onehand 05.05.22 13:08

the pictures at daytime in the original olive/bamboo yellow colors are made in portugal, and taken in 2009 by the bka needs a story about it i think. because there are also talking people about in relation to the allotments in germany cb had in those years.

the bka can only take it, when it was in germany, or by agreement with another country.

like all in this case is a tradition, just making a good timeline when cb had use of this vehicle is hard.

the latest is the pj was taking a forensic look at this one. 

from the allotment of the old box factory , they got at least a winnebago, and that was in relation to child porn pictures in 2016. i have never seen clearly they had already the vw t3 in custody in 2009, i do remember the bka had to travel to portugal some years ago to do a search of this vehicle. so it was at that time in portugal, in a scrapyard, possibly owned, the scrapyard i mean, not the van, by the piro family, or the scrapyard of a peter w. if he is indeed someone other than a alias for a member of the piro family. 

it is very unlikely the vw t3 was in custody of the bka from 2009 on. it could have been temporarily been in custody, because of one of the drugs offences, or the falsified papers. 

the only thing that can be used as the start of using the vw t3 by cb, must have been from shortly after he was released of his sentence for the diesel theft in portugal. that was short before christmas. around that same time he met nicole f. on a party for/around christmas. 

that part of the story is told in the sat 1 docu, by jutta rabe, by the piro family member, mrs. piro with a scrambled face and no names told. she told the vw t3 was lent to cb, to have a kind of a roof over his head. 

he had no place to go too, because his rent was no longer paid while in jail, and from other fragments of some of the programs of sandra f. and papers, that besides the theft by ms and hb, the owners did get rid of what was left. christian p. also had been through cb his belongings. 

in the sat 1 docu a former lawyer of cb told cb was just going back to his former living quarters in pdl, but that sounds very unlikely. 

by sayings of nicole f. and people living around her address cb often parked the vw t3 near the villa bianca, that was rented by nicole f. 

his german second round of crimes started from 2010 on warts.

there is a small window of opportunity the pictures of the vw t3 have been made by a bka in germany in the case in connection with the island sylt, not a resort, but the largest german island in the north sea with a lot of holiday accommodation. that was an offence that got him a sentence in 2011.

2009 is empty in his rape sheet. 

so 2009 is very unlikely to be true. do you know at which minute it is said in the video, crusader? could be just a mix up in translations. 

it is very messy to find the start of this investigation into cb. 2013 was only a witness hearing, in 2016 they looked into him because of the inga case, and also had raided his property with the old box factory for child porn. helge b. steps in the case in 2017, when sitting out a sentence for hum trafficking in greece, and makes a deal through the met. 

the case of the rape and torture case of the old american lady started in 2019 when they got a hit from the dna databases back on cb. and this story is told in at least 5 different stories how they end up with it in germany. 

and the 2005 rape case in pdl was not known when they ask from italy to extradite cb back to germany, and it is very unlikely they already were looking into a connection into cb and the mccann case, or wanted one of both of the portuguese cases silent. het was extradites for drugs related crimes. 

and it can be a useful trick, because as soon as another country has extradite you, they almost never would say, no we are not agreeing in using this for another criminal matter. as long as the crime is also an crime in the country that extradited him, there is hardly any problem. 
so they choose to ask permission from italy for trying cb for the rape case, and have to that again, or it is likely already under way for the mccann case. 

it is a system that gives room for getting freebies as reward for a go ahead. to much room for politics and diplomatic i wash your hands , if you wash mine. 

until italy has spoken germany can not proceed in the mccann case. and if portugal has guts, they could interfere easily, by just do a little bit of talking to italy. 

it will be more welcome when the bka braunzweig only had taken a look into the vw t3 after the public get wind of their handling the case.

it would be a hell to prove a chain of custody from 2009 on warts, if it had been in custody all those years. you do not have such nasty things when is was just owned by a chap on the street. 

if we even have used just one source of news, all those years, we would be completely and utterly mad, because the media can not keep a story even a bit straight, the tapas 9 were good, but the media is even better. 

i have the idea at the met , they just feed all those media released things every friday afternoon into holmes to see who is the perp this week and every one can place a bet in the outcome. and every week it is another name. 

monday they had a finding of dna, tuesday it became some fibers, of a pyjama they did not can have, and yesterday it was already growing into an object. what will that grow into today?
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Post by Silentscope 05.05.22 13:14

@ Onehand wrote:
telling to the press in name of peter w. from germany, you bought the vehicle in question in 2015 from cb, you implicate yourself very nicely into a sighting at a supermarket in 2017 in connection with a living madeleine mccann, as purported by a female witness. 


Silentscope :
I believe it is all Fabrication, and that the attempt to make the Public ‘join their own dots’ if you will, just adds to the point of it all.


Confusion.


It seems likely that, for instance Peter W was invented by the U.K. press, to stop interested people finding the real Witness who might give them a different version of events as the chosen one?


@ crusader
The VW was seized by the BKA and the PJ using a Court Order in 2019, Brückner Sold the Van there in 2015 according to the Bild Video. 


The English CC translation of the spoken German is wrong.
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Post by Silentscope 05.05.22 13:55

Wie das RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland (RND) am Donnerstag erfuhr, entspricht diese Information nicht der Wahrheit. „Die ganze Geschichte mit den Faserspuren ist totaler Blödsinn“, sagte Hans Christian Wolters von der Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig dem RND. Die angeblich neuen Erkenntnisse seien frei erfunden, fügte der Staatsanwalt hinzu.

As the editorial network Germany (RND) found out on Thursday, this information is not true. "The whole story with the fiber traces is total nonsense," said Hans Christian Wolters from the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office to the RND. The prosecutor added that the alleged new findings were fictitious.

Wolters explained his statements to the RND in the interview as follows: “In the interview I said that we had found new evidence in the last two years. However, there was nothing exculpatory underneath. I cannot say anything about the further investigation results and individual pieces of evidence at the moment. In response to a specific query, which referred to any traces from one of the accused's vehicles, but there was no mention of traces of fiber, I said that I would not say anything about it. I didn't deny it either, I simply stated that we didn't want to say anything about it."


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Total lies from Sandra in other words.
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Post by onehand 05.05.22 15:50

well if that one would not get hcw on sandra's hit list , i do not know. and i'm a bit curious, because the one and only jon c. was of course the source of fiber-gate. probably dna-gate too, well not one of his believers wil mind much, their stories are already printed and probably paid. would it be enough to get him on sandra's hit list too? 

jon c. cares a lot for his equals in the business. and himself. but it looks like hcw won this game easily, even a little free trip to the sun. 

2 interviews needed to end up in the same boat as Amaral, i had not thought der hans had it in him. 
a well deserved point, but he need a lot more to restore his position. 

but sandra did not set all on one card this run out. there will be another money making one. she will be back.
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Post by PeterMac 06.05.22 7:33

onehandwell if that one would not get hcw on sandra's hit list , i do not know. and i'm a bit curious, because the one and only jon c. was of course the source of fiber-gate. 

It is always Clarke and the Olive Press.  [And he STILL hasn't worked out how to spell Brückner]

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2022/05/03/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-had-traces-of-the-toddler-in-his-van-claims-portuguese-investigator/

MADELEINE MCCANN SUSPECT CHRISTIAN BRUECKNER ‘HAD TRACES OF THE TODDLER IN HIS VAN’ CLAIMS PORTUGUESE INVESTIGATOR

Alibi claims for the night are ‘firmly knocked down’ by police and other sources

By
 Jon Clarke (Publisher & Editor)
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3 May, 2022 @ 11:12

GERMAN police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have found traces of her in a vehicle driven by the prime suspect Christian Brueckner.
A Portuguese investigator will reveal tonight that it is one of many different clues that point the finger directly at the convicted sex offender.
Journalist Sandra Felgueiras will announce the discovery on prime time Portuguese television this evening.
“I am certain Brueckner did it and the Portuguese police know he worked with an accomplice,” she told the Olive Press today.
Her SABADO Investigation on the CMTV channel managed to establish that the main evidence is a ‘trace of the English girl found by German police inside the motorhome he drove in 2007’.
Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters refused to confirm or deny this week that a DNA link had been discovered in the VW van.
But, he explained to Felgueiras – who has been investigating the case since May 2007 – that he could not confirm it ‘because the suspect has not yet been informed’.
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Post by Silentscope 06.05.22 10:03

Michael Tatschl is sure.
Helge Busching is sure.
Manfred Seyfurth is not so sure.
Christian Post is sure.
Anastasia Meckesy is sure.
Jon Clarke is sure.
Sandra Felgeuiras is sure.
Hans Wolters is sure.

Then why do they not enter the Courtroom?

Hans Wolters wants to confront Brückner with the best possible Evidence.

All the rest seem to be relying on invention which either cannot be proved or disproved, or outright Lies which easily can. Some might not even be real Persons.
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Post by Tony Bennett 06.05.22 11:04

QUESTION: What do we see here?

Journalist Sandra Felgueiras will announce the discovery on prime time Portuguese television this evening.
“I am certain Brueckner did it and the Portuguese police know he worked with an accomplice,” she told the Olive Press today.
Her SABADO Investigation on the CMTV channel managed to establish that the main evidence is a ‘trace of the English girl found by German police inside the motorhome he drove in 2007’.

ANSWER:  A lying newspaper owner, a turncoat journalist, and the mainstream media, all working in tandem to produce a major media event, which will be seen by millions, and will help to perpetuate the false narrative that Madeleine McCann was abducted around 10pm on Thursday 3 May 2007.

This game has now been played on the public for over 15 years     


















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____________________

Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by onehand 06.05.22 11:09

jon c. had soiled his pants about even before that piece in the drip, the sta braunschweig will never say it of course, but common, it is not normal to have to give accommodation in a press office for a duration of 4 hours to someone who just owns a free paper in spain.  

i can see it before me, the old trick with the scraps of paper on a desk, put your subject in, let them wait long enough and get the idea no one is watching, and 99.9% will bite the bait. and jon c. former star reporter take it hook line and sinker! okay framed by someone does feel bad, but framed by the germans, how much worse could it be? and it does not stop at jon c., he takes his best buddy sandra f and all his old tabloid buddies and his fans with him in the same dive. 

running back to the southern parts of europes, to tell his latest buddy sandra f., but he could not hold it anymore, so the tidbits got out, dna-gate was probably a bit over the top, there are tabloid rewriters who can google. but fiber-gate they could not resist. a complice-gate never got attention. 

so we can at least hope, jon c. is not only lost his last grace of being a reporter, but also failed his next wannabe job of snitch. well at least for the duration the tabloid rewriters can remember it, but in reality they do not mind of course, they got their pieces out and paid for, no carter-verruckt in sight for the time being, i think they just will tell to jon c. keep them coming. 

if sandra f. is so able to forgive her buddy is another story, maybe because her memory is better, at least she thinks it is. she had told so many times for the mirror, no , not the paper or online edition, that it was a police officer that told her something, she believes it at least by herself, but who knows, maybe jon c. can find a time of arrival to have told her. just ask 4 times in a row and he finds a time that will fit nicely. 

i 'm still no fan of how sta braunschweig acts in this case, but for this one they got my 12 points!

i still accept i can be wrong, and it is just the next chapter of the fantastical brain of a certain jon c. it would not been the first time he did it.

but back to the real world, it is all quite tasteless to do it in this week. 15 years after the world heard something bad was happened with a little girl, madeleine mccann, and the world still has no answers, and the girl herself no justice. 

sandra f. and jon c. are in no way to be called journalists, and are certainly not doing investigative journalism.
they are entertainers. they do not bring facts, they bring only things that happende besides maybe facts. they are not the keepers of justice. 

i find it quite disgusting to have to look how justice is getting made into entertainment, to have to look at a kind of pairing ritual between the law and the media on live tv, for the second time! why? 
if this is the result of freedom of press and media, i begin loosing my vote for it.
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Post by Silentscope 06.05.22 11:16

Carter-Verruckt 😂
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Post by crusader 06.05.22 11:21

"The German police know he worked with an accomplice".


Only because they have got him in the frame for the murder of Madeleine  and they say the phone mast ping puts him in Praia da Luz on 3rd May talking to someone.
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Post by CaKeLoveR 06.05.22 12:12

Isn't Herr Wolters breaking some sort  of code of ethics with his blatherings?
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Post by crusader 06.05.22 12:34

@CaKeLoveR wrote
Isn't Herr Wolters breaking some sort  of code of ethics with his blatherings?




Nobody seems able to stop him with his ramblings, I don't know if he is breaking some sort of ethics code, but surely there should be.


He's making a right show of the German prosecution system, but if this is the way they conduct their business It doesn't look very professional does it.
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Post by Silentscope 06.05.22 12:58

Wolters has previously compared the going Public with Investigations into Brückner to the Accusations against the Bosses in the VW Emissions scandal. 

Regrettable but unavoidable. 

They have been under investigation for years.

Source: NDR

https://www-ndr-de.translate.goog/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Fall-Maddie-Ermittlungen-gegen-Christian-B-laufen-weiter,maddie276.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Criminal analyst criticizes the public prosecutor's office: procedure "unacceptable"

A year later, Christian B. has still not been charged. Criminal analyst Mark T. Hofmann criticizes this as unacceptable. "Going in front of the cameras of the world public and saying we know who it is, but then not providing any evidence, that's an unusual strategy and doesn't quite do justice to the personal rights of the accused," Hofmann told NDR in Lower Saxony .

Prosecutors reject allegations

Authorities spokesman Wolters sees it differently and refers to ongoing VW proceedings for comparison. "They started in 2015 and 2016, and the investigations are still ongoing. Charges have been brought, but it's also the case that the accused have had to live with the suspicion for years. That's certainly not desirable, it can be done but cannot avoid it," says Wolters. The public prosecutor's office also deliberately did not name the suspect or publish photographs and thus made a great deal of effort to protect the suspect's personal rights.
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