The Drs Gaspar, two UK Doctors on holiday with the McCanns and the Paynes in 2005, allege paedophilia within the Tapas 9 group.

The statement of Dr Katherine Zacharias Gaspar made to Leicestershire Police on 16 May 2007:

“I give this declaration in relation to the McCANN family who are currently in Portugal. The McCANN family is composed of Gerry McCANN, his wife, Kate McCANN and their three children, Madeleine, aged 4, and Sean and Amelie, who are twins and 3 years of age. As is abundantly clear, Madeleine is not with her family presently, and has been missing for the last two weeks.

“I will start by explaining that I am married to Arul Savio Gaspar and we have two daughters. I have been married to Savio for 11 years. We met when we were working together in Exeter about 14 years ago [1993]. I am a General Practitioner as was my husband. He continues to be a General Practitioner but is also a specialist.

“To explain how we know the McCann family, I would say that my husband knows Kate, as they both attended the University of Dundee between 1987 and 1992. At the time, Kate was known by the name of Kate Healey. I met Kate and Gerry on the occasion of their wedding around 1998 in Liverpool. Both Savio and I went to the wedding because Savio was an old friend of Kate; we were both invited to the event. From what I know, Savio did not know Gerry McCann before they married. From that time on, we met as friends, probably about three times a year and we would spend the weekend together.

“I would say we got to be close friends of Gerry and Kate. I remember that in 2002 or 2003, Savio and I spent a weekend with Gerry and Kate in Devon. We maintained contact with each other by ’phone. In 2002 or 2003 Savio and I were living in the Birmingham area and the McCanns were then in Leicester. In September 2005 Savio, me and ‘A’ [name of first child] (who was around one year and a half) holidayed in Majorca, with Kate, Gerry, Madeleine (who was about 2½ years old) and the twins, Sean and Amelie, who were only a few months old. I was pregnant with ‘B’ [name of second child]. There were also other friends of Kate and Gerry with us there. There was a couple, Dave and Fiona (the Paynes, I think). I believe they were married and had a daughter around one year old called Lily. I remember Fiona was pregnant on that holiday.

“There was another couple on the vacation: C_____ and D_____, whose surname I can’t remember. They had two boys (three years and one year old respectively) whose names I don’t remember. I did not know either of these two families before this holiday. I think it was Dave Payne who organised the trip and we stayed in a big house in Majorca. We were there for one week whilst the McCanns and the Paynes stayed for two weeks. I believe C_____ and D_____ and their two sons also stayed for one week.

“It was fun during the first two or three days. Probably around the fourth or fifth day there was an incident that stuck in my mind. I say this because I have thought about the particular incident I am about to describe many times since then.

“One night, when all the adults, that is, from those couples I have mentioned above, were all sitting around on a patio outside the house where we were all staying. We had been eating and drinking ‘Berbers’.
I was sitting between Gerry and Dave and I think both were talking about Madeleine. I can’t remember the conversation in its entirety, but they seemed to be discussing a particular scenario. I remember Dave saying to Gerry something about ‘she’, meaning Madeleine, ‘would do this’.

“While he mentioned the word ‘this’, Dave was doing the action of sucking one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, while with his other hand he was doing a circle around his nipple, with a circular movement around his clothes. This was done in a provocative way. There seemed to be an explicit insinuation about what he was saying and doing. I remember being shocked by that. I always felt it was something very weird and that it was not something anyone should say or do. I looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to gauge their reactions.

“I looked around as if saying: “Did someone else hear that, or was it just me?”. The conversations stopped for a moment, then we all began conversing again. Moreover, I remember Dave doing the same thing on another occasion. In saying this, I want to mention once again that it was during a conversation in which he was talking about an imaginary scenario, although I’m not sure. He again stuck one of his fingers in and out of his mouth and with the other hand he once again drew a circle around his nipple in a provocative and sexual way. I think he was referring to the way she, that is, his daughter Lily, would behave or what she would do. I think he did this later during this same holiday, but I’m not sure.

“The only time since then that I have been in the company of Dave and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I met Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona in a restaurant in Leicester. I’m sure that he said what he said and made the gestures I have related, but [the second time] it could have happened in the restaurant in Leicester, although I do think it was in Majorca that I heard Dave say and do this for the second time. After the second occasion [when he made these gestures] I took it more seriously.

“I remember thinking whether he would look at my daughter and other little girls in a different way than I or others do. I imagined that he had perhaps visited internet sites related to little children. In a word, I thought that he could be interested in child pornography on the web. During our holiday in Majorca, each parent would bath the children in turn. I was keen to stay near the bathroom if Dave was bathing the children. I remember I said to Savio to be careful and to be close by if Dave was helping to bathe the children and my daughter in particular. I did this [stay hear the bathroom if Dave was bathing the children] quite obviously because hearing what he said had troubled me and I didn’t trust him bathing ‘A’ [our first child].

“When I heard Dave say this for the second time, it reinforced what I had already been thinking concerning his thoughts about little girls. During our stay in Majorca, Dave and his wife Fiona and their daughter Lily used to take Madeleine with them for the day in order that Kate and Gerry could rest a bit and had time just for the twins. I wasn’t worried about Madeleine’s safety, because Fiona and [another female adult] were there, as well as Dave. As already referred to, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after [we were on holiday together in] Majorca. And I have not spoken to them at all since that time. In recent, we have seen the McCann family on occasions. These occasions coincide with the children’s birthdays – a time when we all get together.

“The first time I heard the terrible news regarding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on the radio, my thoughts raced immediately to Dave. I asked Savio if Dave was also on holiday with the McCanns in Portugal, but he didn’t know. I watched TV to catch the coverage of the news and eventually discovered that Dave was there with the McCanns.

“Then I saw him on TV a few days after Madeleine disappeared. I therefore believed that he was on holiday with the McCanns in Portugal. Today, Wednesday 16 May, 2007, at 3.40pm, I have given Detective Constable Brewer a page containing 2 photographic images. I am going to reference these images as: Ref KZG/1). I consent that these may be exhibited as required [by the police]. All these photographs were taken during our holidays in Majorca. In the photographs, Dave is wearing a white T-shirt and the woman in the photograph is his wife Fiona. The man that is holding the cup of wine in the photograph is _____”.

That statement of Dr Katherine Gaspar alone is very concerning. I now turn to a statement made by Dr Katherine Gaspar’s husband, Dr Arul Savio Gaspar, also made on the same day:

“I make this statement in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. I currently work as a General Practitioner at St Clements Surgery, Birmingham, where I have been employed for the last nine years. Madeleine is the daughter of Kate and Gerry McCann and we are friends of the family. I have known Kate since 1987, when we met at Dundee Medical School, and became friends. We have remained in touch all this time and meet up three or four times a year. We often talk on the ’phone or email each other. When we first became friends in 1987, she was still known as Kate Healy; this remained so until she married Gerry at the end of 1990s.

“Kate and I completed our medical degrees in 1992, when we each carried on with our lives, once we had begun our careers. After I finished my degree, I began my career in Exeter, and I think Kate went to Glasgow. I only met up with Kate again in 1997 or 1998. At that moment I was married to Katherine. We had both been invited to attend Kate and Gerry’s wedding.

“After their wedding we lost contact and I think they went to New Zealand. We only met up again in 2001 in Birmingham. The couple visited us in the house where we then living, in ______, and this was the first time I had ever talked to Gerry. I think that at that time Kate and Gerry were living in Queniborough, Leicestershire. From 2001 until 2005, we were in regular contact with each other and often visited each other’s homes.

“We planned a holiday together for the first week of September 2005 in Majorca, together with three other couples including Kate and Gerry. We did not know the other two couples; they were both friends of Kate and Gerry’s. We had never met them before. All of us had children. When we went on this holiday we had one daughter, ‘A’, aged 18 months. Kate and Gerry had three children, Madeleine – almost two – and the twins, who were six months old [NOTE: Madeleine was 2¼ in September 2005].

The other couples were Fiona and David Payne and their daughter Lily who was one year old and ______ and ______ who had two boys aged three and one. I do not remember the surname of ______ and ______ nor the names of their children. Katherine and I had booked the holiday for one week and the McCanns and the other two couples had booked for two weeks. We stayed together in a large villa. We all arrived at the villa separately.

“During the period we stayed at the villa I remember a gesture made by David Payne. I do not remember the context of the conversation between David and Gerry, but I do remember seeing David use his left index finger to rub his nipple, using circular movements, whilst he put his right index finger into his mouth, touching his tongue. This happened during a meal, at the end of the day, in the villa. I do not remember the time or the date, but we would usually dine between 7.30pm and 9.00pm every day. I think this happened in the middle of the holiday.

“I remember that when I saw this gesture, I immediately thought it to be in very bad taste, independently of the context of the conversation they were having. We were sitting around a white plastic table in the villa. I don’t know if anyone else saw the gesture, apart from my wife Katherine. After this gesture, we did not notice any others and as far as I know, the gesture was not repeated. We never commented on this gesture during the rest of the holiday and I thought no more about it.

“I can describe Dave as a Caucasian male 5’ 10” tall, and of a medium complexion. He had brown hair and used glasses or contact lenses depending on the circumstances. I can say that Dave was a pleasant person. I do not remember him having any unusual characteristics.

During the holidays Dave never behaved in an inappropriate manner with Madeleine or with any of the other children. Dave was popular with the children and I took this to be because he was a close friend to the family.

“I never distrusted Dave. After the holidays there was one occasion when we were with Kate and Gerry and Fiona and Dave were also present. That was in a restaurant in Leicester in 2005. I do not remember the name of the restaurant. We had a pleasant evening, just the three couples without the children. I do not remember Dave having behaved inappropriately on this occasion. We have not spoken to Dave or Fiona since December 2005, only due to their being friends of Kate and Gerry [rather than ourselves], not for any other reason. The last time I saw Kate, Gerry, Madeleine, Sean and Amelie was in March 2007 when they came to our house for the first birthday celebration of my daughter ‘B’.

“On the morning of 4th May [2007], Katherine saw the news about Madeleine on television. We were very shocked and worried given that they were close friends. It was during the days following the news of the abduction that we discovered that Fiona and David Payne were also with them in Portugal. It was at this moment that Katherine showed concern at the gesture made by Dave in Majorca in 2005. Katherine remembered that when Dave made the gesture, he was referring to Madeleine.

I only remember that Katherine saw the gesture at the time; I had forgotten the episode, it was never the subject of conversation. At the time I did not feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.
It is my wish that the police are aware of my preoccupation with the gesture made by David Payne”.

Katherine states that the incident happened outside on the Patio.
Arul states it was inside the Villa.

Katherine says it was directed at Madeleine.
Arul feels not so.

Gerry seems not to have reacted as expected when someone infers they want that sort of attention from his 2 year old daughter!

Why would the Gaspars still let DP anywhere near their own child?

Why would they all allow DP  to take Madeleine off for trips out even in the company of his own Wife and child?

What happened after the Gaspars left the Villa?

All obviously of no great interest or urgency to the U.K. Police whatsoever. Who just by running a simple check on the Families Passport numbers could easily trace the movements of every Man, Woman and Child on that Holiday. Including the Dates and Routes taken by the Airlines used.

Surely?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:All obviously of no great interest or urgency to the U.K. Police whatsoever. Who just by running a simple check on the Families Passport numbers could easily trace the movements of every Man, Woman and Child on that Holiday. Including the Dates and Routes taken by the Airlines used.

Surely?

How on earth could a check on passport numbers determine the movements of anyone on THAT HOLIDAY and what the Friggin' hell has the Routes taken by the Airlines used got to do with anything.

Give me strength.

I suggest, not for the first time I might add, you should seriously reconsider your choice of mentor/information source. This is a serious forum with a serious vision, there is no room for idle garden fence tittle-tattle. If that's your bag then I suggest facebook or twitter where all salacious gossip reigns supreme.

So again I ask .... why are you here?

To try and help the Forum corroborate the truth. I do not need a new
Source, mine works just fine thank you.

Why would checking the Passport and Flight plans upset you so Verdi?

Would it reveal what else could be wrong with those Statements?

The truth is often more stranger than fiction.

And it is not dead.

More interesting to me is how Ricardo Paiva heard about the Gaspar statements.
In the PJ files Mike Marshall Leicester Police Constabulary, is replying to a request from Ricardo Paiva ,ref David Payne.
Then as requested, appended are the statements of Arul and Katherina Gaspar.
So Ricardo Paiva must have known about the Gaspar statements to have requested them.

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Source, mine works just fine thank you.

Well be that as it may, from the perspective of the forum, your links/sources are not fine by me!

Pay heed.

Bumping for new members and readers

There is no physical Evidence to support the Statements of Arul and his Wife.
(Apart from a Photo that is not available given to Leicester Police)


No one independant has ever come forward to corroberate their Story.

The Golds and Paynes were never Interviewed to corroberate their Statements.

Who took the 3 Photographs of Madeleine, and where and when  were they taken?

Pure McCann Fiction.

The statement of Dr Katherine Zacharias Gaspar made to Leicestershire Police on 16 May 2007:

Why does this translation of Dr Katherine Zacharias Gaspar's witness statement differ from the translation contained in the PJ Files?

Final revised translation.

Judiciary Police
National Directorate


TRANSLATION

Surname: GASPAR
First Names: KATHERINA ZACHARIAS
Age: +18
Date of Birth:
Address:
Postal Code:
Profession:
Telephone no.:
Date of Statement: 16/05/2007
Number of Pages: 8

I make this statement in relation to the MCCANN family who are currently in Portugal. The MCCANN family is composed of Gerry MCCANN, his wife, Kate MCCANN and their three children, Madeleine, 4 years old, and Sean and Amelie, who are twins, aged two.

As has been widely covered by the news, Madeleine is not with her family presently, and has been missing for the last two weeks.

I will begin by explaining that I am married to Savio Gaspar and that we have two daughters, E., who is almost 3 and I. who is now one year old. I have been married to Savio for 11 years. I am a General Practitioner like my husband. I met my husband when we were (page 1) working together in Exeter, about 14 years ago.

To explain the way in which we met the MCCANN family, I would like to state that my husband knows Kate, as they both attended Dundee University between 1987 and 1992. At that time, Kate?s name was Kate HEALY. I met Kate and Gerry on the occasion of their wedding, around 1998, in Liverpool. Both Savio and I went to the wedding because as Savio was an old friend of Kate?s, we were both invited to the event.

As far as I know, Savio did not know Gerry before the abovementioned wedding. From that time onwards, we met as friends about three times a year and we would spent weekends away together. I would say that we became intimate friends of Gerry and Kate.

I remember that in 2002 or 2003, Savio and I spent a weekend with Gerry and Kate in Devon. We would stay in contact with each other by telephone.

In 2002/2003 Savio and I were living in Birmingham and the MCCANNS in Leicester.

In September of 2005, Savio, I and E., who at the time was about 1 and a half years old, went to spend our holidays abroad, in Majorca. We went (page 2) on holiday with Kate, Gerry, and Madeleine, who would have been around 2 and a half years old and with the twins, Sean and Amelie, who were just months old. I remember that I was pregnant with I.

During those holidays there were also friends of Gerry and Kate with us.

There was a couple, whose names were Dave and Fiona, and whose surname was PAYNE, I believe. I think that they were married and had one daughter aged about 1, named L. I remember that during those holidays that Fiona was pregnant.

There was another couple, whose names were Tara and Stuart, but whose surname I cannot remember who were also on holiday with us. They had two boys, aged 1 and 3, whose names I do not remember. I did not know these two families before we went on holidays together. From memory, I think that it was Dave who organised these holidays and we all stayed together in a big house when we were in Majorca.

We spend a week on holidays, however, the MCCANN family and the PAYNE family stayed for two weeks. I think that Tara and Stuart, and their two children, also stayed for just one week.

Two or three days had gone by, we were all staying in Majorca where, in general terms, we had fun (Page 3) with our children. Possibly, around the fourth or perhaps the fifth day abroad, I remember an incident that stayed recorded in my head. I say this in this way, because I have thought numerous times about the incident that I am about to describe since that date.

One night, when we were on holiday, the adults, in other words, the couples that I mentioned were on a patio outside the house where we were staying. We had been eating and drinking.

I was sitting between Dave and Gerry whom I believe were both talking about Madeleine. I don't remember the conversation in its entirety, but it seemed they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember Dave telling Gerry something like ?she?, referring to Madeleine, ?would do this?.

When he mentioned ?this?, Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner there being an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.

I remember that I was shocked at this, and looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to see their reactions. I looked around (page 4) to see ?did anyone else hear this, or was it just me?. There was a nervous silence noted in the conversations of all the others and immediately afterwards everyone began talking again.

I never spoke to anyone about this, but I always felt that it was something very strange and that it wasn't something that should be done or said.

Apart from this, I remember that Dave did the same thing once again. When I refer to this, I want to mention again that it was during a conversation, in which he was talking about an imaginary situation, though I could not say precisely what it was about. I believe that he was talking about his own daughter, L., though I'm not certain. He slid one of his fingers in and out of his mouth, while the other hand drew a circle around his nipple in a provocative and sexual manner. I believe that he was referring to the way that L., would behave or would do it.

I believe that he did this later on, during the holidays, but I cannot be sure. The only time, besides this one, that I was with Dave and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I met up with Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona at a restaurant in Leicester.

I am absolutely certain that he said what he said and that he made the gestures I referred to, but that could have occurred in the restaurant in Leicester, even though (page five) I believe that it was later on, in Majorca. When I heard Dave saying and doing this a second time, I took it more seriously.

I remember thinking whether he looked at the girls in a different way from me or from the others. I imagined that maybe he had visited Internet sites related to small children. In short, I thought that he might be interested in child pornography on the internet.

During our holidays, I was more attentive at the bath times after hearing Dave saying that.

During our holidays in Majorca, it was the fathers who took care of the children baths. I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom, if it was Dave bathing the children. I remember telling Savio to took care to be there, in case it was Dave helping to bathe the children and, in particular, my daughter E. I was very clear about this, as having heard him say that had disturbed me, and I did not trust him to give bath to E. alone.

When I heard Dave say that a second time, it reinforced what I already thought in relation to his thoughts about girls. During our stay in Majorca, Dave and his wife, Fiona, accompanied by their daughter L., took Madeleine (page 6) with them to spend the day, in order to give Kate and Gerry a bit of rest and time to be with the twins. When I say this, it is not that I was worried about Madeleine's safety, since she was also with Fiona and L., and also with Dave, as far as I know.

As I have already mentioned, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after Majorca, and I have not spoken to them since then. In the last two years, we have met, as a family, with the MCCANN, every now and then. This mainly happens on the children's birthdays, a time when we meet up.

The first time I heard of the terrible news about Madeleine's disappearance through the radio, my thoughts went immediately to Dave. I asked Savio if Dave was also on holidays with the MCCANN in Portugal but he did not know.

I watched the TV thoroughly, and seeing the news coverage, I noticed that Dave was there, because I saw him, in the background, on the television images during the first days after Madeleine?s disappearance. Based upon that, I believed that he was on holidays with the MCCANN in Portugal.

Today, Wednesday, 16th of May of 2007, at 17:40, I gave DC Brewer an A4 page containing 2 photographic images. I am going to refer to these images as (Ref KZG/1) (element of proof) that may (page seven) be presented as means of proof, if necessary. These photographs were taken during the holidays in Majorca. In the photographs, Dave is wearing a white T-shirt and the woman in the photograph corresponds to his wife Fiona. The man who is holding the glass of wine in the photograph is Stuart. These photographs were taken while we were in Majorca.

Signed:

Translation [PJ] done by C.R.F.E.

Note: Retroversion from the Portuguese translation

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Silentscope wrote:There is no physical Evidence to support the Statements of Arul and his Wife.
(Apart from a Photo that is not available given to Leicester Police)

No one independant has ever come forward to corroberate their Story.

The Golds and Paynes were never Interviewed to corroberate their Statements.

Who took the 3 Photographs of Madeleine, and where and when  were they taken?

Pure McCann Fiction.

You say - 'The Golds and Paynes were never Interviewed to corroberate their Statements'.

What are you talking about?

You say - 'Who took the 3 Photographs of Madeleine, and where and when  were they taken?

What three photographs of Madeleine?

You say - 'Pure McCann Fiction'

What is pure McCann fiction?

Where are any Statements, independent proof, even Photos from other Holiday makers that prove that the McCanns and their Entourage were ever on Mallorca in September 2005?

Madeleine McCann is missing and Leicester Police take Statements from two friends of the McCanns suggesting Dr Payne might have something to do with it.

What did they do? 

Did they Investigate? Madeleine is missing and presumed alive.
They already know it was a Paedophile as Gerry was seen saying it on the Verandah by G McKenzie.
Tha appearance of the Social worker also implies Payne did it.
Did they check when they all were really on Holiday with all their Employers?
Did they check to see if anyone who was there who claims not to have been there?
Did they check who left the Country and when they returned?

I think not.

They just sat on this until someone decided to release it to the PJ.
Why the delay?

Giving people time to forget were they?

Here you can find the three photos’taken by a friend’ on Mallorca.
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Hardly conclusive proof.
Where is that Fountain?
Where is the Calypso drink Karton sold?
What form of Transportation is Madeleine sitting in, as the trees behind the Window are blurred, suggesting that she is moving?


I believe that the Gaspar Statements are a construction.
A diversion to lead the PJ away from something.
Or someone.

Along with the ‘was Maddie seen in Cala d’Or’ story.
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The coverup team pointed the finger at Murat to divert the PJ from what was really going on, and he got a good payout after being cleared.  Now they have Brueckner.

David Payne was a friend and a colleague of Gerry's, in fact we could say that he was running this charade.  The Gaspar statements were withheld for 6 months and never followed up. Payne's name was dragged through the mud and the statements have never been challenged by him or anyone else.  Why on earth would the McCanns and Payne construct something that portrays Payne as a child abuse and the McCanns of parents that condole his behaviour?

In Gerry McCann's blogs mentioned above, Kate McCann uses both past and present tense when she's talking about Madeleine. I thought that pointing out when Madeleine tripped up the aircraft steps was strange; it was used to describe her resilience and the fact that she didn't make a fuss, but it feels unnecessary to me.

CaKeLoveR wrote:In Gerry McCann's blogs mentioned above, Kate McCann uses both past and present tense when she's talking about Madeleine. I thought that pointing out when Madeleine tripped up the aircraft steps was strange; it was used to describe her resilience and the fact that she didn't make a fuss, but it feels unnecessary to me.

Un-necessary until the blood was found behind the sofa. 

A nose bleed
A grazed knee

It was alleged that the McCanns used both these excuses for the blood.


9 adults, 8 small children to supervise, luggage, pushchairs etc.  Why would any one pull out a camera and photograph young children boarding a plane?

And in the Blogs Dr Payne uses the past tense in his Statement.
Madeleine was
Not is

He knew.

Silentscope wrote:Where are any Statements, independent proof, even Photos from other Holiday makers that prove that the McCanns and their Entourage were ever on Mallorca in September 2005?

Madeleine McCann is missing and Leicester Police take Statements from two friends of the McCanns suggesting Dr Payne might have something to do with it.

What did they do? 

Did they Investigate? Madeleine is missing and presumed alive.
They already know it was a Paedophile as Gerry was seen saying it on the Verandah by G McKenzie.
Tha appearance of the Social worker also implies Payne did it.
Did they check when they all were really on Holiday with all their Employers?
Did they check to see if anyone who was there who claims not to have been there?
Did they check who left the Country and when they returned?

I think not.

They just sat on this until someone decided to release it to the PJ.
Why the delay?

Giving people time to forget were they?

Here you can find the three photos’taken by a friend’ on Mallorca.
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Hardly conclusive proof.
Where is that Fountain?
Where is the Calypso drink Karton sold?
What form of Transportation is Madeleine sitting in, as the trees behind the Window are blurred, suggesting that she is moving?


I believe that the Gaspar Statements are a construction.
A diversion to lead the PJ away from something.
Or someone.

Along with the ‘was Maddie seen in Cala d’Or’ story.
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Seriously, I've seldom read such a load of nonsense in the years watching this case and believe me, there have been some corkers! Who on earth gives you this information to post on CMOMM, I've suggested before on many occasions you should reconsider your source because quite frankly this is the sort of thing that could give the forum a very bad reputation if not nipped in the bud.

See I knew this would happen, re-introduce topics and the old rumours and myth and wild imaginings would re-surface. By all means bump topics from the past, discuss or just have your say but this level of misinformation that you present is so detrimental to the cause - the casual observer who like you knows very little or nothing about the case will read, vaguely register and go off elsewhere with 'well I read on CMOMM ' our true purpose and reputation is then destroyed in a whisper!

I can't even be bothered to pick it all apart, suffice to say the photographs you cite are not of Madeleine McCann taken whilst on holiday on Mallorca. There is absolutely no reason to think the McCann family didn't take that holiday - why do you think the British police would be interested? How do you know what the British police did or didn't investigate, they are not obliged to reveal investigation detail in the public domain.

The Gaspar statements were sent to the PJ at the request of Ricard Paiva, there is a small detail that's never been exposed - that of a said questionnaire concerning David Payne but again, any information of a sensitive nature is withheld from public knowledge and so it should be!

To: Ricard Paiva
From: DC 1756 Mike MARSHALL
Ref: David Payne
Date: October 24, 2007

Leicester Police Constabulary

Ricardo,

As requested, appended are the statements of Arul and Katherina Gaspar.


"I read carefully the written document/questionnaire provided by David Payne."
but was not able to extricate any other information besides what is already known. He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed.

When asked with whom he was on the afternoon of May 3rd, he declares that this information was already offered to the police and cannot remember if anyone else was there.

He does not remember what he was wearing that afternoon.

He took part in the searches, having carried out most of them alone. He was at times accompanied by Matthew Oldfield.

He did not partake in the searches realized on the 4th of May, because, on this day, he spent to majority of time in the police headquarters.

For many questions, he does not give a complete response, affirming simply that he has already given this information to the Portuguese police in his declarations.

I examined once again the declarations of Fiona Payne. In her depositions, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate. She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to.

Her responses to the questions are vague. She continued to respond to questions with "they conform with my earlier deposition" or some similar statement.

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We’d been away with Fiona and David on several occasions and we’d always enjoyed ourselves. They favoured the same kind of holidays we did – we’ve never been interested in swanky hotels, preferring a reputable resort with good sports facilities and, since the arrival of the children, plenty for them to do, too. Gerry and I took the kids everywhere – in fact I’d only ever been apart from them for one night – so they were used to travelling. They had been on lots of family trips, to Glasgow, Liverpool, Stratford, Skipton and Crieff, Donegal, Guernsey and Spain, and they loved their ‘mini-holidays’, as we called them, to visit friends and family.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

Good grief, give me strength.

MADELEINE TAKEN BY A FRIEND WHO WAS ON HOLIDAY WITH THEM IN MALLORCA

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Where were the 3 Photos taken then please Verdi?

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MADELEINE TAKEN BY A FRIEND WHO WAS ON HOLIDAY WITH THEM IN MALLORCA

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Where were the 3 Photos taken then please Verdi?

Firstly the link you now provide is not the link you originally posted - for this is it..

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Now you link to another page from gerrymccannsblog from which if you scroll down the page this can be seen..

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And that's it!

If I remember correctly Ethical Kidz Ltd was a website marketing clothing and frippery for children, begs the question what photographs of Madeleine McCann might be doing on a trading site.  Apart from that I only know all this stuff comes from social media, like twitter and a few of the usual Madeleine McCann commentators, which is a questionable source of information to say the least.

Even if there be any connection - like the photographs genuinely were taken during a holiday to Spain I really can't see any relevance to Madeleine McCann's disappearance.  If whoever took the photographs whilst on holiday in Spain (if what is said has any semblance of truth) I'm sure the individual concerned would have spoken out long ago if they suspected something nefarious going on.

The Gaspar statements didn't signal much interest in Portugal nor the UK, I think it can be safely concluded they didn't command any particular concern.  The two didn't even agree on the detail.

Say what you like about the McCanns (preferably not on this forum), I can't believe for a moment they would continue a friendship with a man suspected of sexually abusing their precious daughter.

This is all too mucky for my liking.

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For what it is worth, Gerry rarely took photographs, Kate took some photographs but the person in the group who took the majority of photographs was David Payne.

Karton is German or Dutch for cardboard (carton).  That one pic may have been in Amsterdam.

From my understanding:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - If as you say in your Post these Photos are NOT taken in / on Mallorca. How do you know that? 
I do agree that they were most likely taken somewhere else at different locations with different cameras.
There is only one reason why. 
Distracting tactics.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]- Madeleines photo appears to have been taken on a Train.
I am not sure but this seems more like an English Inter City train than a local Dutch line, as they have no tables. The line between the McCanns accommodation in Amsterdam Amstelveen and her International Crèche do not fit. It could be a Vehicle driving on the left.

Calypso is still a large Kids drink brand, but not Calipso or Calyppo.
The resolution of that Photo is different to the others.
It was probably taken earlier than the others with a different camera.
The Pink jackets are also different.

How many Pink jackets would one need in Sunny and hot Spain?

Maybe they should have gone to ‘Fantasy Island’ instead?

The train photo looks like the Orange Express in Majorca to me.
It's a short tourist train ride through the orange groves.

Silentscope wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - If as you say in your Post these Photos are NOT taken in / on Mallorca. How do you know that?
I do agree that they were most likely taken somewhere else at different locations with different cameras.
There is only one reason why.
Distracting tactics.

Distracting tactics - how so, distracting from what exactly?

I haven't a clue where when or why those photographs were taken nor do I particularly care, I do however question why it is assumed the photographs were taken during the holiday to Mallorca, based only on a few words entered by an anonymity on Nigel Moore's excellent but now defunct website.

I've seen so much photograph scrutiny over the years - it never leads anywhere, nor is it likely to lead anywhere.

As I think previously said, how can three random photographs taken on another occasion, throw any light on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - maybe forum member Lance de Boils can fill you in with the detail.

NB: See you're still abusing the forum's private messaging facility.

I fail to see why it matters so much about the photo's, the main thing is the Gaspars saw the news Madeleine was missing, saw that David Payne was with them and was concerned he was interested in children in the wrong way shall we say.
So alarm bells rang leading to both of them making statements. Katherine Gaspar remembered about an inappropriate  conversation between David Payne and Gerry McCann whilst they were on a holiday with them and Arul Gaspar remembers the gesture David Payne made.
I don't believe in all the conspiracy theories in this case, I believe if dark forces were involved, there would be concrete proof Madeleine was snatched by a paedophile gang with irrefutable evidence to back it up.

You also need to consider the fact that neither the Portuguese police nor the British police took any action as a result of the Gaspar statements.

It has been asserted on so many occasions that the British force purposely withheld the statements from the official investigation but I don't buy it.

The PJ files show Ricard Paiva requested the statements be forwarded, from the document posted up-page it would appear to have been the result of a probe into David Payne in isolation. Quite understandable given the assertions made at the time by independent witnesses.

Thus it is apparent that nothing was found during the investigation in Portugal, with the assistance of the UK, to implicate David Payne.

I can't recall much of past discussion on the subject of the Gaspar statements but I do think it to be a red herring - or rotting sea bass if you prefer.

I also can't go along with conspiracy theories, they gravitate as they travel from one head to another. There comes a time when once thought possibilities are mangled to death by over thought - in short importance is taken off-piste only to be replaced by fantasy.

The PJ files are always there for reference purposes, incomplete they may well be in terms of detail but nonetheless the only true source on which to work.

I'll stick with that as my guide to the tragic case of Madeleine McCann - unadulterated by speculation and pure invention, there's certainly enough there to work on!

Plus I am totally opposed to defamation of character without solid evidence to prove guilt.

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If the Gaspars were so worried about David Payne since September 2005, why did they not write even an Anonymous letter to 
Leicester Constabulary about it instead of waiting until May 2007?

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The Orange Express Tram and Train have wooden benches for seats, and no wallpaper next to the windows as far as I can see. Nor are there Tables in between. Do you have any pictures yourself?

I see what you mean about the train, it's over 28 years since we were there so I don't think I would be able to find any pictures.
I'm sure it wasn't a tram though.

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Thanks.

That doesn't look like the one we went on, it's similar, it was wood and we got on in a little village with a small waiting room with a fountain.
I see the one in your post travels 32km, we certainly didn't travel that far.
It was a very short Journey.

There was just on 3Sat this afternoon an interesting Documentary about Railroad journeys of the World.

One excerpt was on the Train on Mallorca.

We can rule that one out.

i had to look it up, but i did remember something about that picture of the blond girl with the ice cream, wasn't in agreement that was not a picture of madeleine mccann , but from madeline o'brien , the girl from that movie gone baby gone? it always looked awkward to see the resemblance between madeleine and madeline in pictures. 

and that holiday was in 2005 in majorca, the picture with the ponytails is not really a two, two and a half years old girl, but a bit older. and why can it only be taken in a train, and not something like a cabin somewhere, you get the same sight through a window when a car passed by and you use flashes. i am not very sure madeleine is in a moving train at all. i do not expect a formica table top in an classic train, but it would suit with all cheap touristy buildings near a sea side. the window would be probably just of old plexy glass that had got to much sand or dirt from a road or the beach. i do remember from our travels through ireland a lot of beaxch accommodations had these more shed like cheap outbuildings at the front on the seasides, meant as a covered terras that could be opened up at the front, the odd days it was not raining too much. in scotland we have seen a lot of these later erected build ons too.

they looked a lot like our flower kiosks, herring kots or chips shops in larger cities until the nineties usually a bit bigger, but with the same very much used outlook. 

and wasn't there a picture of madeleine in a jumpsuit on the beach what was said to be taken during the majorca holiday of 2005, i think that one suits much better for her age at the time. 
i think the outlook of her hand using for colouring and holding the what looks like a type of waxy color pencil  is way above 2.5 years of age. the colouring itself too. 

i have been on many train rides in ireland and scotland, some in germany and austria, but never seen an old train, the ones with real locomotives on coal, that had been refitted with formica table tops. that would never be done, because the old train experience would not be met. 

why do i think , this is not the first time i typed  this about madeline o'brien????

but if it was indeed correct it has no use to look for some fountains or artwork on majorca. who knows where the other one has been. 

and it is also not the first time pictures ended up not to be of madeleine mccann, but just another child.