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Re: Jim Gamble slams trolls for harming tot's siblings – calls for police action
And what did you conclude?
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Re: Jim Gamble slams trolls for harming tot's siblings – calls for police action
Hello AlexBG,
I've been reading over your posts today. You've been a member of the forum for almost five years.
As you haven't posted much I forgot that you introduced yourself as a law student. I was reminded of how long people are on the leading forum and how the years pass so quickly.
How did it all go? Did you take up law? Did you choose a discipline?
I've been reading over your posts today. You've been a member of the forum for almost five years.
As you haven't posted much I forgot that you introduced yourself as a law student. I was reminded of how long people are on the leading forum and how the years pass so quickly.
How did it all go? Did you take up law? Did you choose a discipline?
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Re: Jim Gamble slams trolls for harming tot's siblings – calls for police action
We concluded that someone had tampered with the original image to remove the elbow and the sibling.
We also concluded that the original photo could not possibly have been taken at lunchtime on Thursday 3rd May 2007, as the world was being told, but on the available evidence can only have been taken during the luncheon interval on Sunday 29th April 2007.
From that we deduced that someone had altered the EXIF Metadata attached to the image, and
from that we deduced that there must have been a motive for so doing.
We then looked into the proven skills and abilities of various people closely associated with the family, and
discovered people with the necessary knowledge.
From there having established Means and Motive, we looked for the third of the necessary Trinity in criminal law - Opportunity -
And found it.
A simple series of logical steps.
So far no one has been able to argue convincingly, based on proper evidence, that this is flawed. Many have tried.
But as always a single piece of credible refutational evidence will be enough to alter this analysis.
We also concluded that the original photo could not possibly have been taken at lunchtime on Thursday 3rd May 2007, as the world was being told, but on the available evidence can only have been taken during the luncheon interval on Sunday 29th April 2007.
From that we deduced that someone had altered the EXIF Metadata attached to the image, and
from that we deduced that there must have been a motive for so doing.
We then looked into the proven skills and abilities of various people closely associated with the family, and
discovered people with the necessary knowledge.
From there having established Means and Motive, we looked for the third of the necessary Trinity in criminal law - Opportunity -
And found it.
A simple series of logical steps.
So far no one has been able to argue convincingly, based on proper evidence, that this is flawed. Many have tried.
But as always a single piece of credible refutational evidence will be enough to alter this analysis.
Re: Jim Gamble slams trolls for harming tot's siblings – calls for police action
PeterMac wrote:We concluded that someone had tampered with the original image to remove the elbow and the sibling.
We also concluded that the original photo could not possibly have been taken at lunchtime on Thursday 3rd May 2007, as the world was being told, but on the available evidence can only have been taken during the luncheon interval on Sunday 29th April 2007.
I suppose you could argue that the image of Madeleine has been 'isolated ' to give clarity . Having said that, I do find it odd that the deep shadow on the grass in between Madeleine's hat and the vanished elbow has also been removed. I guess shadows CAN tell timely tales.
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Re: Jim Gamble slams trolls for harming tot's siblings – calls for police action
I am sure they would argue that.
The fact remains that the photo was tampered with.
It was not merely cropped, but some extra "stuff' was added, most probably by copying and pasting from elsewhere.
If we look again at the original and the one we were then presented with . . .
We see that it is possible to carefully crop Madeleine out of the original, removing the elbow and the sibling, without recourse to any trickery or addition or "photoshopping"
Like this.
The picture will not win prizes for "Composition" but would score highly on
"Spontaneity", "Emotional response", and "Intrigue".
Not to mention that it could have been produced to the PJ and the search parties, and the Press across the world at any time from about 11pm Thursday 3rd May 2007.
But it wasn't.
The fact remains that the photo was tampered with.
It was not merely cropped, but some extra "stuff' was added, most probably by copying and pasting from elsewhere.
If we look again at the original and the one we were then presented with . . .
We see that it is possible to carefully crop Madeleine out of the original, removing the elbow and the sibling, without recourse to any trickery or addition or "photoshopping"
Like this.
The picture will not win prizes for "Composition" but would score highly on
"Spontaneity", "Emotional response", and "Intrigue".
Not to mention that it could have been produced to the PJ and the search parties, and the Press across the world at any time from about 11pm Thursday 3rd May 2007.
But it wasn't.
Re: Jim Gamble slams trolls for harming tot's siblings – calls for police action
Oh yes. That's jogged my memory. Would be interesting to know if AlexBG took up law. Any response AlexBG?aquilaAre wrote:Hello AlexBG,
I've been reading over your posts today. You've been a member of the forum for almost five years.
As you haven't posted much I forgot that you introduced yourself as a law student. I was reminded of how long people are on the leading forum and how the years pass so quickly.
How did it all go? Did you take up law? Did you choose a discipline?
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There was once a long thread about the isolated photo-shopped pool picture of Madeleine.
It was clearly demonstrated where repeated patches of the stonework behind were used to cover over various other parts of the photo.
The grass as well if I remember correctly.
There were people arguing that the isolated picture was the original and it was photo-shopped into the group "last" photo.
Ridiculous.
It was clearly demonstrated where repeated patches of the stonework behind were used to cover over various other parts of the photo.
The grass as well if I remember correctly.
There were people arguing that the isolated picture was the original and it was photo-shopped into the group "last" photo.
Ridiculous.
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Re: Jim Gamble slams trolls for harming tot's siblings – calls for police action
Completed Law degree and Masters, thanks for asking. Currently in Seoul on a gap year.aquila wrote:Hello AlexBG,
I've been reading over your posts today. You've been a member of the forum for almost five years.
As you haven't posted much I forgot that you introduced yourself as a law student. I was reminded of how long people are on the leading forum and how the years pass so quickly.
How did it all go? Did you take up law? Did you choose a discipline?
I teach ESL here part time, but I've yet to enter the 'real world' of full time employment.
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Re: Jim Gamble slams trolls for harming tot's siblings – calls for police action
I seem to recall people investigating the weather, in order to narrow it down to 29th April - was there any other reason?PeterMac wrote:We concluded that someone had tampered with the original image to remove the elbow and the sibling.
We also concluded that the original photo could not possibly have been taken at lunchtime on Thursday 3rd May 2007, as the world was being told, but on the available evidence can only have been taken during the luncheon interval on Sunday 29th April 2007.
From that we deduced that someone had altered the EXIF Metadata attached to the image, and
from that we deduced that there must have been a motive for so doing.
We then looked into the proven skills and abilities of various people closely associated with the family, and
discovered people with the necessary knowledge.
From there having established Means and Motive, we looked for the third of the necessary Trinity in criminal law - Opportunity -
And found it.
A simple series of logical steps.
So far no one has been able to argue convincingly, based on proper evidence, that this is flawed. Many have tried.
But as always a single piece of credible refutational evidence will be enough to alter this analysis.
So the original image contained EXIF Metadata - what about the one showing M alone?
The 'tampering' aka 'photoshopping' has been done quite meticulously; not beyond the realms of an amateur, but above average. I noticed also that the background on the latter image has had a 'blurring' effect added.
I guess it's even possible that both images are 'photoshopped' and M wasn't really in either of them...
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Re: Jim Gamble slams trolls for harming tot's siblings – calls for police action
[AlexBG.
Well done. It's a long slog. I know. I did both my LLB and MA part time, night school and "distance", and a year to do the Thesis.]
The weather was a crucial element in coming to the conclusion that it was taken on Sunday 29th. The details can be found in the various Chapters with the long Appendices at http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/
I went through Met office reports, Airport records, satellite images from more than one source, a diary written by a retired RAF Navigator, for whom understanding weather was crucial, then very importantly photos posted by normal members
of the public on FLICKR and other sites, and of course the statements by the Tapas Group themselves.
They are all mutually reinforcing - (With the exception of course of GM who says the weather was hot - but he is the only person in the known Universe who says so)
So far as I have been able to find out, once an image has been cropped and 'messed around with' the Metadata is lost.
We looked (= some professionals looked) at whether Madeleine had been photoshopped INTO the big photo, but it seemed to be agreed that the photo itself was more or less OK. There was a lot of discussion about that, and various versions were prepared with Madeleine taken out. Some of those are floating round, and from time to time people post them on fora as original.
Well done. It's a long slog. I know. I did both my LLB and MA part time, night school and "distance", and a year to do the Thesis.]
The weather was a crucial element in coming to the conclusion that it was taken on Sunday 29th. The details can be found in the various Chapters with the long Appendices at http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/
I went through Met office reports, Airport records, satellite images from more than one source, a diary written by a retired RAF Navigator, for whom understanding weather was crucial, then very importantly photos posted by normal members
of the public on FLICKR and other sites, and of course the statements by the Tapas Group themselves.
They are all mutually reinforcing - (With the exception of course of GM who says the weather was hot - but he is the only person in the known Universe who says so)
So far as I have been able to find out, once an image has been cropped and 'messed around with' the Metadata is lost.
We looked (= some professionals looked) at whether Madeleine had been photoshopped INTO the big photo, but it seemed to be agreed that the photo itself was more or less OK. There was a lot of discussion about that, and various versions were prepared with Madeleine taken out. Some of those are floating round, and from time to time people post them on fora as original.
Re: Jim Gamble slams trolls for harming tot's siblings – calls for police action
I did an extended analysis of the data from this photo and this info was extracted:PeterMac wrote:[AlexBG.
Well done. It's a long slog. I know. I did both my LLB and MA part time, night school and "distance", and a year to do the Thesis.]
The weather was a crucial element in coming to the conclusion that it was taken on Sunday 29th. The details can be found in the various Chapters with the long Appendices at http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/
I went through Met office reports, Airport records, satellite images from more than one source, a diary written by a retired RAF Navigator, for whom understanding weather was crucial, then very importantly photos posted by normal members
of the public on FLICKR and other sites, and of course the statements by the Tapas Group themselves.
They are all mutually reinforcing - (With the exception of course of GM who says the weather was hot - but he is the only person in the known Universe who says so)
So far as I have been able to find out, once an image has been cropped and 'messed around with' the Metadata is lost.
We looked (= some professionals looked) at whether Madeleine had been photoshopped INTO the big photo, but it seemed to be agreed that the photo itself was more or less OK. There was a lot of discussion about that, and various versions were prepared with Madeleine taken out. Some of those are floating round, and from time to time people post them on fora as original.
Does this mean that Adobe Photoshop was used to create EXIF data or how should it be read?
*** Searching Compression Signatures ***
Signature: 01DADDC4908E9BA57CC067EEAD54E67D
Signature (Rotated): 01DADDC4908E9BA57CC067EEAD54E67D
File Offset: 0 bytes
Chroma subsampling: 1x1
EXIF Make/Model: OK [Canon] [Canon PowerShot A620]
EXIF Makernotes: NONE
EXIF Software: OK [Adobe Photoshop CS Windows]
Searching Compression Signatures: (3347 built-in, 0 user(*) )
EXIF.Make / Software EXIF.Model Quality Subsamp Match?
------------------------- ----------------------------------- ---------------- --------------
SW :[Adobe Photoshop ] [Save As 12 ]
NOTE: EXIF Software field recognized as from editor
Based on the analysis of compression characteristics and EXIF metadata:
ASSESSMENT: Class 1 - Image is processed/edited
*** Additional Info ***
NOTE: Data exists after EOF, range: 0x001C8696-0x001C886E (472 bytes)
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Re: Jim Gamble slams trolls for harming tot's siblings – calls for police action
I don't know. That's why I rely on experts to tell me.
Sorry.
I published the entire EXIF stuff as an Appendix. It runs to 4 A4 pages
and I do not pretend to understand more than 5% of it.
But Prof Hamid did.
Sorry.
I published the entire EXIF stuff as an Appendix. It runs to 4 A4 pages
and I do not pretend to understand more than 5% of it.
But Prof Hamid did.
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