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Post by Verdi on 25.09.18 12:47

A thread to post-up and pull-apart all those witnesses that sprang forth in aid of the McCanns and their group of friends.  To sort the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.

There's no shortage of material so what better place to start than this pearl of wisdom laid bare by 'First' gossip magazine..


19th - 25th May 2007 edition

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Hands up anyone who can vouch for this bizarre magazine article, or even provide some explanation that might add credence to an otherwise fictitious story published to tug at the gullible public heart strings. 

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Post by Jill Havern on 25.09.18 14:37

Here's a related link from PeterMac's FREE e-book: Spot the Water Slide http://whatreallyhappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2016/08/chapter-20-spot-water-slide.html
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Post by Verdi on 25.09.18 15:19

Please note:  This is a strictly Smithman free zone !!!  big grin

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Post by Verdi on 26.09.18 22:02

Gail Cooper et al are however fair game. This is scary cooperman uncovered in Dubai - all part of the convoluting story surrounding the Gail Cooper sighting.

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Post by Verdi on 27.09.18 0:43

Jeremy Wilkins and partner Bridget O'Donnell

Before commencing, it's necessary to identify the background of this couple holidaying during the same week as the McCann family and their group of friends.

Jeremy Wilkins: A UK TV producer.
Bridget O'Donnell: A former journalist and film-maker at the BBC, Bridget worked as a producer and director for both television and radio turned writer. During her career in television she worked on Crimewatch.

According to Jeremy Wilkins testimony, on the night of Thursday 3rd May his child was restless so he took him for a ride around the Ocean Club grounds. During this jaunt, he stopped off at the Ocean Club facilities to relieve himself (weak bladder?), it's not clarified where he left the child during this time. Continuing his jaunt, he encountered Gerry McCann who it seemed, had just left his apartment having checked on the well-being of his own children. This account accords with that of Gerry McCann and friend Jane Tanner.

Jane Tanner was flip-flopping around the streets of Praia da Luz, saw Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins talking but so engrossed were they, they apparently didn't see her nor the stranger passing in the distance at the road junction carrying a child.

Was this encounter chance - was it contrived - or was it pure invention? Remember, there were no witnesses to verify any of this.

Jeremy Wilkins returned to his accommodation as Gerry McCann is said to have returned to the Tapas restaurant. On 7th May 2007, back in the UK, Jeremy Wilkins had this to say to Leicester police of the ensuing time...

"The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I learnt to be John and one of Jerry's friends. I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, and tall with greying hair. From previous conversations I learnt him to be a diabetics specialist. We met him o the way to the destination. Matt said XXXXX to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted, and that Jerry said that he had met me and wanted to know if I had seen anything. I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they said there was nothing that could be done at that stage. We remained at the apartment but could see people around the pool and at the front with torches. I also saw the police arriving. We then went to bed."

Mmmmm .... strange proceedings indeed.

Bridget O'Donnell later in December 2007 penned an article for the Guardian titled - 'My Months With Madeleine".

It doesn't begin nor end there. By all accounts Jeremy Wilkins and Bridget O'Donnell met with the McCanns and the gang for the first time during the weeks holiday so it can hardly be said they were bosom buddies yet they appear to play quite a pivotal role in this charade.

Jeremy Wilkins also claims to have seen rastaman lurking in the vicinity of the Ocean Club...

REPORT OF FOREIGN CARE
Date: 2007/05/04 Location: Praia da Luz - Lagos;

Entity determining the diligence:

Employee who performed it: Manuel P., Inspector

'Following various informal conversations related to the area of research, we were contacted by a British citizen named Jeremy Michael Wilkins, holder of passport no. 205...., owner of mobile phone no. +44788...., living in ....London...He spends his holidays at, "WATERSIDE GARDENS," block G4, about 50 metres from the apartment where the small child was. He told us that yesterday, between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant. This person did not stay very long. Their behaviour was somewhat strange and they seemed to be rather nervous. He was alone, he did not speak to anyone and left soon afterwards. The informant maintains that he has never seen this person in the village. '

Another bogus sighting it would seem.

Rachel Oldfield née Mampilly Rogatory Interview - 9th April 2008

Reply 'Ten thirty, (inaudible), well I don't know, the only people that, well I think the only people I spoke to, I know that a client did ring me one of the days but it wouldn't have been ten thirty at night, erm it was either that Friday or the following Friday to cancel an interview that was happening but I mean that wouldn't have been at ten thirty at night, erm I would think, I mean I suppose it could, it might have been a Journalist, because on the night that Madeleine disappeared, on the Thursday, a friend of mine, or friends of Matts and mine, Kath and James LANDALE and James LANDALE's a BBC News erm and at the time he was like Political Correspondent, erm I saw him the other night actually reading the news on BBC News 24 but I rang him, or I rang his wife Kath cos I had her mobile number, erm basically to say you know that Madeleine had gone missing, was there any way that we could get it on the news and that was, that was on the Thursday night, so I suppose and it was the loc, it was the, was it the Local Elections or something happening that day''

Too many co-incidences for my liking.

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Post by Hobs on 27.09.18 1:19

It still looks like kate wearing a 70's porn star moustache

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Post by Verdi on 27.09.18 1:38

When not doing the Ziggy Stardust tribute act?

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Post by Verdi on 27.09.18 1:42

Susan and Paul Moyes

Claims to have been holidaying at the Ocean Club in their own apartment for one month commencing Wednesday 2nd May, two floors above apartment 5a, occupied by the McCann family.

Susan Moyes had this to say during a BBC radio interview in August 2007..

"We were woken up at half past eleven at night by one of the friends of the McCanns to say 'a little girl' had 'been abducted'; those... those were the words used. So, we got dressed and joined in the search, we were out until about four in the morning with, oooh… about, I don't know, thirty people... thirty other people, maybe. The Mark Warner team were out, errm... and other guests at the Ocean Club."

This accords, not time wise, with Jeremy Wilkins testimony about be woken by a friend of the McCanns.

Rather like contaminating the crime scene, should the McCanns or their friends be knocking on doors at night with tales of abduction? Was it only the Wilkins and Moyes that were disturbed in their slumbers in this way? If so - why ....

It was reported that the Moyes had been approached by one Brian Kennedy, the double glazier. How busy they were rounding up witnesses to further the cause.

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Post by sar on 27.09.18 8:38

@Verdi wrote:A thread to post-up and pull-apart all those witnesses that sprang forth in aid of the McCanns and their group of friends.  To sort the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.

There's no shortage of material so what better place to start than this pearl of wisdom laid bare by 'First' gossip magazine..


19th - 25th May 2007 edition

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Post by polyenne on 27.09.18 8:46

I agree it was strange that T9 members were knocking at doors but, if so, if the Moyes were in the same Block but the Wilkins were in a Block some short distance away then that might explain the time difference.

As there are no published witness statements from other holidaymakers in the Blocks, you cannot say that they too weren't "knocked up".

What I find most strange is that, given an alleged abduction, the T9 seemed to be very trigger happy in wanting to alert the MSM. Rather like "I won't bother to search much but I will call James Landale at the BBC". And this around 10.30pm, just 30 minutes (allegedly) since the initial abduction shout.
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Post by NickE on 27.09.18 21:11

@Verdi wrote:Susan and Paul Moyes

Claims to have been holidaying at the Ocean Club in their own apartment for one month commencing Wednesday 2nd May, two floors above apartment 5a, occupied by the McCann family.

Susan Moyes had this to say during a BBC radio interview in August 2007..

"We were woken up at half past eleven at night by one of the friends of the McCanns to say 'a little girl' had 'been abducted'; those... those were the words used. So, we got dressed and joined in the search, we were out until about four in the morning with, oooh… about, I don't know, thirty people... thirty other people, maybe. The Mark Warner team were out, errm... and other guests at the Ocean Club."

This accords, not time wise, with Jeremy Wilkins testimony about be woken by a friend of the McCanns.

Rather like contaminating the crime scene, should the McCanns or their friends be knocking on doors at night with tales of abduction?  Was it only the Wilkins and Moyes that were disturbed in their slumbers in this way?  If so - why ....

It was reported that the Moyes had been approached by one Brian Kennedy, the double glazier.  How busy they were rounding up witnesses to further the cause.
Has anyone found the Moyes on any guest list?
I can not.

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Post by Verdi on 27.09.18 21:45

@NickE wrote:Has anyone found the Moyes on any guest list?
I can not.

No but the Moyes apparently owned the property so that might explain why their name never appeared on the Ocean Club guest list. There is no proof or evidence they were there when claimed although press reports on the 4th May 2007 mention the name - this to me is strange, why the press singled out the name Moyes from all the the Ocean Club guests, staff and local residents that took the trouble to search for Madeleine.

Whatever the underlying circumstances might have been, fact remains the Moyes didn't make their public debut until August 2007, a few days before Pamela Fenn gave a formal witness statement. Even then, they had nothing to offer but a BBC interview and a few contradictory press reports.

Question is - were they coaxed into this sudden public appearance for pecuniary gain or were they purposely 'selected ' by the McCann team, much like the diversionary sightings?

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Post by NickE on 27.09.18 22:26

@Verdi wrote:
@NickE wrote:Has anyone found the Moyes on any guest list?
I can not.

No but the Moyes apparently owned the property so that might explain why their name never appeared on the Ocean Club guest list.  There is no proof or evidence they were there when claimed although press reports on the 4th May 2007 mention the name - this to me is strange, why the press singled out the name Moyes from all the the Ocean Club guests, staff and local residents that took the trouble to search for Madeleine.

Whatever the underlying circumstances might have been, fact remains the Moyes didn't make their public debut until August 2007, a few days before Pamela Fenn gave a formal witness statement.  Even then, they had nothing to offer but a BBC interview and a few contradictory press reports.

Question is - were they coaxed into this sudden public appearance for pecuniary gain or were they purposely 'selected ' by the McCann team, much like the diversionary sightings?
But shouldn't they have been listed as "Hacks owners booking" in this document.
For cleaning staff for example, to know that the apartment was occupied?
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Post by Phoebe on 27.09.18 22:47

The Guardian features a report  - "Tapas for two...then the parents nightmare began"   by "Sandra Laville (sic) Martin Wainwright and Dale Fuchs, in Faro" - dated Sat. May 5th 2007 which quotes Paul Moyes as follows -


"We went down to the beach with scores of other people to look for her," said Mr Moyes. "The police arrived at around midnight and by that stage we were already out looking. There were uniformed police, plain clothes and even off duty local officers who joined in.
"The search went on all night, people were using torches, and in the morning police sniffer dogs arrived."
This would suggest that the Moyes were spoken to in Portugal on May 5th 2007.
 The quote ascribed to Paul Moyes doesn't help team McCanns' claims that the immediate search for Madeleine featured few policemen and that the McCanns were left distraught by the lack of police reaction to the news of the missing child. 
Add to this, the fact that the Susan Moyes radio interview casts doubt on Jane Tanner's and Gerry's timings and shows that both apartments above the McCanns were occupied by people who were wide awake while the someone decided to break in and steal a child downstairs and well - one cannot see the Moyes as being anything other than a hindrance to the McCann narrative of events.


P.S. If the Moyes did not rent out their apartment for use by the Ocean Club (as some other owners did) then the Ocean Club would not be informed of their comings or goings.
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Post by Tony Cadogan on 27.09.18 23:17

@Phoebe wrote:The Guardian features a report  - "Tapas for two...then the parents nightmare began"   by "Sandra Laville (sic) Martin Wainwright and Dale Fuchs, in Faro" - dated Sat. May 5th 2007 which quotes Paul Moyes as follows -


"We went down to the beach with scores of other people to look for her," said Mr Moyes. "The police arrived at around midnight and by that stage we were already out looking. There were uniformed police, plain clothes and even off duty local officers who joined in.
"The search went on all night, people were using torches, and in the morning police sniffer dogs arrived."
This would suggest that the Moyes were spoken to in Portugal on May 5th 2007.
 The quote ascribed to Paul Moyes doesn't help team McCanns' claims that the immediate search for Madeleine featured few policemen and that the McCanns were left distraught by the lack of police reaction to the news of the missing child. 
Add to this, the fact that the Susan Moyes radio interview casts doubt on Jane Tanner's and Gerry's timings and shows that both apartments above the McCanns were occupied by people who were wide awake while the someone decided to break in and steal a child downstairs and well - one cannot see the Moyes as being anything other than a hindrance to the McCann narrative of events.


P.S. If the Moyes did not rent out their apartment for use by the Ocean Club (as some other owners did) then the Ocean Club would not be informed of their comings or goings.
Thank you for that.
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Post by Phoebe on 27.09.18 23:22

@ Tony Cadogan . You're welcome! thumbsup
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Post by skyrocket on 28.09.18 7:59

All resident guests at the OC, including owner booked, are on the OC Check In Lists - a selection of which are copied in full in the files. The first dated list shown is 1 May; none shown for 2nd May; 3/4/5/6 May all shown in full. The lists are found in full here:

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm

The Moyes appear first on the 3 May (as 2 May list missing) list as arriving on 2 May and departing on 10 June:

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I've highlighted these lists before as the McCanns name (below the Moyes) is the only 'Mc' name which appears with a small 'c' which is another anomaly/co-incidence to add to the list (causing incorrect alphabetical listing). There are plenty of other anomalies for anyone with hours to spare and the inclination to look for them! One I'll mention here at the risk of going further OT is that the numbers of rooms shown individually in the lists don't remotely tally with the totals shown at the ends of each list - I conjectured a tax scam of some sort?! IMO, these lists have been tampered with.
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Post by skyrocket on 28.09.18 8:28

@NickE - sorry missed this off from the above:



The list you have reproduced is the pre-arrivals list which is dated the 27 April (for arrivals on 28 April). It would seem reasonable to assume that the Moyes would be on a subsequent list dated 1 May (for the 2 May arrivals).
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Post by Phoebe on 28.09.18 11:20

@ skyrocket. You are correct. They are on the list and are marked in for the period  May 2nd to June 10 which tallies with what Mrs Moye claimed in her radio interview. She claimed therein that they had arrived on the Wednesday May 2nd and stayed for about a month.


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Post by Verdi on 28.09.18 21:41

George Brooks/Burke c/o Pizza Hut Laos Marina

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Liverpool born and bred George Brooks, working at Pizza Hut Laos Marina at the time of Madeleine McCann's mysterious disappearance.  On public record it has been stated that although Leicestershire Constabulary had knowledge of this sighting, Mr Brooks was never interviewed by the Portuguese police - a very familiar claim throughout this history of fake sightings.

George Brooks who claims to have seen a man/couple carrying a child towards the Laos marina in the early hours of Friday 4th May 2007, seemed to have become very elusive when the PJ made their routine inquiries following-up a reported sighting.  Who knows, maybe this is why he was never interviewed by the PJ either formally or informally.

The PJ files documented information concerning the alleged sighting..

Leicestershire Constabulary Continuation Witness Statement

Continuation Statement - 4th May

Continuation Statement: Information from the Family

There is a male who owns a pizza hut in the resort called George originally from Liverpool. He states that on Friday morning at 5.55 AM on Friday 4th May 2007 he saw a couple acting suspiciously carrying a child near to the marina.

He can be contacted on the following number: ***

The pizza hut is near to a place called Amy Dukes.

The police have not yet spoken to this male.
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To: DIC Portimao
Sent: 8th May 2007, 11.28
Subject: Fwd Madeleine McCann

From: M. Martins (sapo.pt email address)
Date: 8th May 2007, 10.14
To: DIC Portimao
Subject: Madeleine McCann

I have followed the case in the press as I live in the Algarve. However my attention has been drawn by the news that an English citizen (George Burke) who returned to the village in the morning from Lagos and who says that he saw a couple with a child at about 06.00. Would this person not be suspicious due to being from the village and be returning 7 seven hours after the events? Please excuse my boldness and if I am bringing false accusations due to lack of information, I apologise again but feel that I have to share my preoccupation. I hope this does not make you lose time.

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External Inquiry Report

Date: 2007/12/04
Place: Lagos Marina, Lagos.
Responsible Officer: Inspector Joao Carlos

Description and Result of Inquiry:

On this date I went to the abovementioned place with the purpose of gathering elements related to the previously mentioned information about a supposed sighting of Madeleine McCann, by a British individual named George Brooks in the early morning of 4th May 2007.

Once I arrived at the scene, I checked that there was effectively a restaurant establishment on the first floor of the complex, called Pizza Hut. This establishment was closed, because of the opening hours. However, in order to collect information, I went to another establishment called “Lite Bites” which is next door and where there was an employee, who identified herself as GS, of British nationality.

During our conversation, she said that she has worked there since May of this year, the owner of the space being George Brooks, identified by the enclosed photocopy of his passport, which she provided.

She said that the whereabouts of the owner were unknown since the 21st September 2007. On this date he collected.... (next page missing from files)
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OK, not much to go on so far but then it gets interesting..

SERVICE INFORMATION

To: Paulo Rebelo

From: Ricardo Paiva, Inspector

Date: 2008/04/24

Re: Various Activities Regarding the Investigation NUIPC 201/07.0GALGS

Regarding the content of the attached email from British Authorities, with particular focus with respect to the statement by Michael Terrence Wright, in the international letter of request which is being implemented by the Leicestershire Police, on the 6th of May, 2007, in Praia da Luz, a pizza kitchen worker, of British nationality and originally from Liverpool, commented to that witness that her father, George, had seen a man carrying a child, in the early hours of May 4th of 2007. He does not know if George contacted the authorities about this. This testimony was recorded by Inspector Joao Carlos and myself as follows:

--Yesterday, after heading toward Praia da Luz late, we located the pizzeria shop (PIZZA REAL) mentioned by that witness. It is situated in a kiosk on Rua da Praia. Even though it was closed at the time, we obtained the telephone number ********* of said pizzeria which is open from 18H00. This same night, we contacted the manager, C*******, using that telephone number and she immediately identified the employee as Amy. She told us that Amy was no longer in Portugal and that she had returned to the U.K. She was requested to contact Amy and ask her to contact this police force.

--Today, at 11.37, the signatory received a telephone call from *******, from a woman who identified herself as J***, mother of Amy, and who told me that as soon as possible, George, her husband, and Amy's father, would contact us. Around 17H16, we were contacted by George, Amy's father, from telephone no. *********. Regarding the facts in question, he states that he had already contacted the OH in May of 2007 and at this time relayed to the police that at around 06H00 in the morning on the 4th May, 2007, he saw a couple passing the Marina de Lagos. The man was carrying the child. It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation.
Signed,

Ricardo Paiva

Michael Terrance Wright - witness statement

As for additional information I would like to add that on Sunday, 6 May I went to the pizzaria in PdL and bought a large quantity of pizzas. I was attended by a girl from Liverpool. I explained to her my relationship to the McCanns and she told me that her father 'George' had seen a man carrying a child in his arms in the early morning of 4 May in the resort. I asked her if her father would speak about this to the Portuguese authorities. I don't know if the information was ever investigated.

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Post by Verdi on 28.09.18 21:53

The same period of time this was being reported, a friend of the uncle and aunt of Kate McCann had a friend of a friend had a strong vision..

LEICESTERSHIRE CONSTABULARY Continuation WITNESS STATEMENT

INFORMATION FROM THE FAMILY

I spoke to Kate McCann on Tuesday 8th of May 07. She told me that a friend of her Aunt & Uncle from Leicester had a friend that had a strong vision that Madeleine was on a boat with a man in the Marina in Logos.

This person arrived in Portugal and has spoke to Kate. They have visited the Marina and identified the boat as "SHEARWATER" They saw a man on the boat. but it was not the same man that she had in her vision.

This is very important to Kate. I spoke to Glen Pounder if he could make some enqs with regards to the boat.

He has done this and the boat is registered to a Canadian National called Bruce Cook. Glen has told me that George Reyes at the police Stn is now dealing with the matter with record to doing dvc checks etc.

I spoke to Kate today and she has given me photographs of the boat. She has also given me photographs of a man who has been on the boat. This is not the man the woman had in her vision.

This matter is very important to her and she is very pleased that we are making enq's into the matter. Once the enq's have been completed can we please let her know the results.

Thanks

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Post by Verdi on 28.09.18 22:08

Routine policing - so much time and money spent on bogus sightings..

PJ Final Report

From the 4th of May, 2007 - the day after the facts - onwards, initially at an inordinate rhythm, the Policia Judiciaria received thousands of news about sightings and locations that covered the entire national territory, the most diversified locations abroad, from neighbouring Spain to faraway Indonesia and Singapore, with the missing child being "recognised" at the most diversified locations, in multiple situations and company, in such manner that on the same day, she is allegedly seen at locations that are 4000 km apart.

Some of the information did not merit, due to the circumstances surrounding it, the least credibility, leaving those, at the other extreme, which required a more solid and effective systemization and treatment. Those which, by their geography and time-space relevance, seemed credible were thoroughly explored and included in the documentation and this appendix.

There remains a large, diffuse stain of supposed sightings and localizations – some receiving notable emphasis, such as those in Belgium and Morocco – which had few, vague, discordant, incompatible or incongruent elements, which deserved a treatment with a view towards their infirmaçao or set aside for the future, should solid elements arise, which all are herein included;

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Post by Hobs on 29.09.18 3:03

I wonder if kate was the one leaking info via 3rd parties in order for Maddie's remains to be found and allowing her to thus be able to grieve publicly with Maddie's death laid firmly at the feet of the alleged paedophile abductor.
Presumably there would be injuries found which would point firmly to a paedophile otherwise why not just blame stranger abduction or abduction to be cared for by a childless family as one thesis purported.
The alleged paedophile would be blamed even if never found, whilst the blame for the real perpetrator or perpetrators would never be assigned to the mccanns or tapas 7.
They had to make the claim to cover their tracks and any incriminatuing evidence found.
The delay before other explanations came out such as the sedation would be blamed on the abductor keeping Maddie alive for a length of time before she died or was killed.
This is why initially they claimed no sedation nor did they have the twins tested that night since, long term sedation signs as revealed in the hair could not be blamed on an abductor, but 3 months odd down the line they came out with the maybe the abductor did sedate the twins, knowing that pretty much any evidence in their hair had been cut out and anything in their blood was long gone.

Had Maddie been found after a few months which would fit in with kate's vision, her dreams etc then the abductor takes the fall and the mccanns and chums are scott free.

The problem they have is that if Maddie was cremated along with the old lady who was laying in the church, there is no way they can blame anything found on any abductor, there is no body to reveal anything that could clear the mccanns.

Finding a body in whatever conditiohn could be explained away although for some things they may have a problem or two, especially if evidence is found on or in the body or in and around the immediate area such as hairs or fibres, perhaps linking the body to the hire car or maybe the missing blue bag that gerry didn't have or the disappearing pink blanket. Both would point the finger of guilt at the mccanns and chums.

Kate wants it over as the guilt is eating her alive, the stress of the guilt is so strong she told us she was willing to commit murder suicide to escape it all.

Gerry being the great I am wants to maintain the charade.
He sees the money and fame (infamy) He believes he is smarter than everyone, even to the extent that he leaks clues believeing the Plod are too dumb to see them or understand what they are seeing and hearing.
Kate wants it over and he doesn't.
At one point they both wanted the same thing, especially as money was pouring in and they were in financial difficulties long before the vacation.
Now, as time has passed she is getting tired.
Perhaps they both thought a few months of suspicion , a few interviews, they get cleared and they are free and easy.
Instead, despite all their claims and even law suits, they have been publicly revealed as having not been cleared of involvement.
They are now resorting to the ECHR where they are giving the impression to the media and their few remaining supporters that it will be them against Dr. Amaral when it is not so.
The ECHR cannot and will not get involved in lawsuits or civil cases, nor will it cancel verdicts or judgements enacted by the courts right up to Supreme Court.
Those verdicts will stand and the mccanns and the twins are liable for all court costs for themselves and of those they sued.
This could runs into tens if not hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Carter-Ruck are not cheap and i can't see how or why they would do pro bono work in what amounts to a homicide, concealment of a corpse and filing a false police report as based on the PJ files and in Dr. Amaral's book.
The mccanns can only make a claim against the state of Portugal claiming their human rights have been harmed.
Given that the PJ bent over backwards in accommodating the mccanns and chums even to allowing them to leg it back to the UK post haste in the case of the mccanns and not demanding they be extradited back or having them and the tapas 7 arrested and a warrant  issued forcing all 9 back to Portugal to take part in a reconstruction or answering questions under arguido status, where they are allowed to lie and refuse to answer questions, when under a non arguido status, as witnesses, they are not allowed to lie or refuse to answer questions under penalty of a couple of years in jail.

Had they come clean the 11+ years ago they would now be likely out of prison.
Granted they would have lost their jobs and their children, possibly living with family members or maybe not given that some of them given their statements and distancing may have other issues making them unsuitable, their home and friends.
They would be free with what ever terms the courts laid down regarding probation or on license, then again they would then be facing charges over the fund if it had even be started or at least a small proportion of what it reached.
They could start over, i work of lower pay and of lesser skill since no one really wants to employ a child killer/child molester or a job where they are restricted contact with children or vulnerable adults.
They would have to sell the house to pay their legal fees of course so back to living in a private rent or council house.
Free yet in a prison of their own making.
Kate would get the help and therapy she clearly needs.
Instead 11+ years down the line, they are in the same situation now as they were when they first started the alleged abduction story, still suspects in Portugal in homicide, concealing a corpse and filing a false police report.
On top of that they are facing serious fraud charges relating to the fund, instead of things getting easier as they perhaps planned, things have gotten harder.
She is no longer a GP, something she spent a lot of years working hard to get and d now working in medicine but doesn't say what as, and no one has says they have come across her in their role as patient which points to a back room job.
He is no longer a heart consultant, he was trapped in a dead end job with no prospect of promotion and consigned to the back room reading scans with minimal involvement with patients, hated by the staff he worked alongside and now jumped before he was pushed?
Now a professor  in Leicester Uni  hated by the students he teaches, disliked by other staff members basically tolerated at best.
Also, he may be on a fixed term contract and also a probationary period before being made permanent usually 3 years.

From Lecturer level most university positions are permanent. There is normally a probation period of three years for all permanent positions, after which the position is permanent but not tenured. This means that you are not secured promotion and also that you can loose your position if the department shuts down or funding runs out (although the loss of position due to redundacy is fairly rare).

https://www.eui.eu/ProgrammesAndFellowships/AcademicCareersObservatory/AcademicCareersbyCountry/UnitedKingdom#RequirementsforPositions

If he is on probation it will be interesting to see if he is made permanent given he has not been cleared by the Portuguese police of involvement in the homicide, concealment of a corpse and filing a false police report as well as creating a fraudulent fund and other benefits gained through fraud.

If, for example, he is on probation and they decide because of Maddie not to make him permanent, what would his options be?
Fixed term contract at the same uni?
Fixed term contract at another uni?
Try to get work in another UK hospital?
Try and get work at another uni abroad?
Try and get work in a hospital abroad?
Working behind the scenes in medicine a la kate?
Shelf stacking in Tesco?

Time will tell

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Post by sallypelt on 29.09.18 20:05

This has probably been posted on here at some point. It's from a 2017 article, about a couple who were sitting on the balcony a few floors above the McCann apartment:

"Now, holidaymakers Paul and Susan Moyes, who were staying just a few floors above the McCann's at the time, have relayed what they experienced that night"... 
...The couple had been sat on their balcony, enjoying a glass of whisky, overlooking the tapas bar where the McCann's were that night...
...At around 10pm they headed off to bed, only to be awaken soon after by a knock on their apartment door..
... According to Paul, a retired accountant, it was a friend of the family informing them that a young girl had been taken. The friend asked if they'd contact the media to get the word out, and the couple rushed down to help with the search...

"My take on it, as I have said a million times, especially to the Met, I don't know what happened.

"I do feel there is information that the public at large doesn't know.

"My wife is of a different opinion and feels it was an abduction

..."All we can say is we didn't see anything in the time window that was allotted."

...




 http://www.ladbible.com/more/viral-witnesses-describe-the-mccanns-reactions-to-maddies-disappearance-20170503

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