Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
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Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
Well said HideHo. If the basis of investigation is based on no more than the official files then it it means the P.J., at the time and since, have no more information than I do, which is ludicrous. I beg to differ with Verdi regarding Jez's statement. What is recorded in the files tells us that she was stopped on the street outside one of the groups apartments. Dr. Amaral confirms she was outside her own apartment and yes she was smoking which may explain why she was "stopped" there (not as a look-out as has been suggested by some). When referring to the information about the three figures seen entering the side-door of the church around dawn, Dr. Amaral says "This information came to me in a certain way". For me, he is clearly alluding to unofficial sources which makes me believe the investigation had quite a lot of this type of information. With regard to the finding of the keys and Gerry's change of story we do not know how he was confronted with this information so that it caused his initial claims to crack. I think it highly unlikely that Dr. Amaral would reiterate his belief of what happened if he had any doubts or was mulling over other options. The investigators at the time have a huge advantage over those of us who were not directly involved. We were not party to the investigation and must rely on the released files. Dr. Amaral and the other investigators were there. They observed reactions to questions at first hand. Think what they gleaned from body language alone, something only they witnessed. For example, with regard to the Villamoura phone calls, all I have to go on is the written explanation given for them, whereas the officers who conducted this interview may well have reported back that the bar-owner was nervous and unconvincing during it. I remember a claim that David Payne had gone to help Kate so that the children could come out to play (were are told this was habitually after bathing and being dressed in their pyjamas). Perhaps Payne mentioned that his "help" was with this aspect when he spoke to police and this is what Dr. Amaral means. All those involved were interviewed at length. What made it into the files is but a precis of these encounters.
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Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
The smoking issue has always had me curious. I don't know the laws in Portugal regarding smoking at that time and whethr it was allowed in the restaurant/ OC area but if not, it could have been the reason for them to get up from the tables.
I also remember there was a reference (photo?) of three figures standing outside smoking. I can't recall the details on that but don't think its ever been established who it was.
Jez may have commented about the person in purple smoking in his conversations but didn't add it to his statement. Only the clothing.
So much we don't know.
I also remember there was a reference (photo?) of three figures standing outside smoking. I can't recall the details on that but don't think its ever been established who it was.
Jez may have commented about the person in purple smoking in his conversations but didn't add it to his statement. Only the clothing.
So much we don't know.
Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
HiDeHo wrote:@ HideHo Stopping by for a moment or two to thank you and your translator very much for this most valuable effort. It is informative, whilst actually perhaps raising more questions than providing answers. Clearly the translation was by a Portuguese lady and it might be helpful to run it past someone whose mother tongue is English as that would give greater clarity and perhaps make a few passages of the transcript easier to grasp. No criticism of anyone, just an observation.
I have many questions about some of the comments made in the video.
REPLY: Yes, so do I.
Why did the phone call from Vilamoura feature as important?
REPLY: I don't understand that either. It seems a complete red herring, there is no corroborative evidence in support of a sighting and a great deal of evidence against it.
How could the key on the counter be evidence of anything?
REPLY: Indeed! Ask me another.
Why does Goncalo suggest the case not coming to any conclusions was because of political pressure, when we know the case was due to be shelved in July as the 14 months (8 months plus 2 x 3 month extensions) after an arguido declared.
REPLY: The evidence of 'political pressure;' is surely overwhelming, so I am 110% with Amaral on that one. We have:
1. Vast numbers of government, security services, Ambassadors, police and top PR men descending on Prais da Luz in the first few days
2. Many more examples of government involvement in the months after that
3. Amaral denied the Gaspar statements
4. Amaral removed from the investigation probably due to British political pressure
5. Lukewarm approach by the PJ to the evidence after Amaral was removed from the case
6. Overwhelming evidence since 2008 of the British government covering up the truth...
..and so much more.
The three figures seen entering the church with a sack in July. The hypothesis is that it's possible that Maddie's body was put in the coffin of a lady. Goncalo does not mean it DID happen, only that it is one of the many possibilites in the investigation. Maybe there was another reason the three figures were going into the church with a sack...
REPLY: Yes, he does say elsewhere it is one of a number of possibilities. Every time I have seen mention of 'the widow in the coffin', I have looked in vain for these details:
A. Who is the source of this story?
B. What was the source doing out on the streets of Praia da Luz, at 3am/4am, in the morning, just before dawn?
C. When (on what precise date) did the source see these three shadowy figures, and
D. When did the source report his sighting - and to whom?
Can you - or anyone else - help with this please?
I found lots of information in the video that is not widely known, or at least, not given the explanations or hypothesis from the files.
REPLY: I found a fair amount, but not 'lots'. I do disagree with respect that we only know '10%' of what the PJ know. I realize that some things have been held back, but I think no too many. We know an awful lot from those files!
David Payne was (apparently) seen on the McCanns' balcony by Mrs Fenn. Its not something that is in the files but has been featured in other (non translated videos). His suggestion that David Payne was there to help bathe the children was not something that had entered my head, and because I believe something happened earlier I tend to think it was more about the preparation of the 'abduction', but Goncalo offers it as a possibility.
REPLY: There is evidence, as per the Tavares de Almeida Interim Report of 10 Sep 2007, that the 'crime scene' in the children's room was deliberately staged. If Madeleine suffered a significant event back on Sunday/Monday as some here think, then whether David Payne or Matthew Oldfield or Russell O'Brien was seen on the balcony before or around 10.00pm on 3 May, it doesn't really matter. It would all be in connection with the preparation of the abduction scene. Amaral, still believing strongly that Madeleine died after 6pm on the Thursday, has in the past insinuated that something bad happened to Madeleine while David Payne was bathing her. I am unable to agree. The evidence to me is clear: the David Payne-Kate McCann meeting was probably fabricated just to lend weight to the claim that Madeleine was still alive at 6.30pm/7pm that Thursday evening.
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We have been told by Goncalo Amaral that they received a report from FSS that Madeleine's blood was in the rental car (which they based the arguido interviews on apparently) but it was then claimed to have been changed. Goncalo says that this report should exist and one day be found. This is not something that we are privy to in the files.
REPLY: I think Amaral may be 100% right about that. The PJ could well have removed that first document from the files after Amaral was booted off the case.
I agree that any comments from Goncalo Amaral have been known from the beginning, but not all of them are included in the files or shared in discussions.
REPLY: From about 19 minutes to 24 minutes on the video, Amaral dwells on Smithman and still seems to think that it would ne useful to interview the Smiths again. As is well known on CMOMM, I cannot possibly agree with him on that. I think it likely that no-one, for whatever reason, has yet been able to show him all the mountain of evidence that Martin Smith's brief and very tentative claim that he and his family saw Gerry carrying Madeleine that night has zero credibility.
Amaral thinks it reasonable for Martin Smith to have 'recognised' Gerry McCann from 'the way he was holding Sean' - especially four months after he only glimpsed the man for a second or two in the dark, adding on 26 May 2007: "I would never be able to recognise him if I saw him again".
I would like Amaral to see a Portuguese translation of the OPs in SMITHMAN1 to SMITHMAN 10.
And Richard Hall's second film: 'The Phantoms' >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0-ePd3FCU
And I would like him to be aware of how Nuno Lourenco lied to him about Wojchiech Krokowski.
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Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
Tony Bennett wrote:HiDeHo wrote:@ HideHo Stopping by for a moment or two to thank you and your translator very much for this most valuable effort. It is informative, whilst actually perhaps raising more questions than providing answers. Clearly the translation was by a Portuguese lady and it might be helpful to run it past someone whose mother tongue is English as that would give greater clarity and perhaps make a few passages of the transcript easier to grasp. No criticism of anyone, just an observation.
I have many questions about some of the comments made in the video.
REPLY: Yes, so do I.
Why did the phone call from Vilamoura feature as important?
REPLY: I don't understand that either. It seems a complete red herring, there is no corroborative evidence in support of a sighting and a great deal of evidence against it.
How could the key on the counter be evidence of anything?
REPLY: Indeed! Ask me another.
Why does Goncalo suggest the case not coming to any conclusions was because of political pressure, when we know the case was due to be shelved in July as the 14 months (8 months plus 2 x 3 month extensions) after an arguido declared.
REPLY: The evidence of 'political pressure;' is surely overwhelming, so I am 110% with Amaral on that one. We have:
1. Vast numbers of government, security services, Ambassadors, police and top PR men descending on Prais da Luz in the first few days
2. Many more examples of government involvement in the months after that
3. Amaral denied the Gaspar statements
4. Amaral removed from the investigation probably due to British political pressure
5. Lukewarm approach by the PJ to the evidence after Amaral was removed from the case
6. Overwhelming evidence since 2008 of the British government covering up the truth...
..and so much more.
HiDeHo reply: I agree that there WAS political pressure as Goncalo expresses, however I was just pointing out that it was going to be shelved (or someone charged) in July. Maybe he was referring to the fact that they SHOULD have been charged as opposed to shelving, had it not been for the political pressure. I didn't mean that comment as a negative one towards Goncalo, only that the law was in place to shelve or charge someone anyway, which some people don't realise.Gonçalo Amaral interview in Fafe wrote:Gonçalo Amaral: Look, in an investigation… I cannot speak about the case, I’m forbidden. A criminal investigation has a beginning, a middle and an end. That book, and that I can tell you, was the narrative of the 6 months of the criminal investigation, when I was coordinating it. What could have happened since then, we don’t know. I left the investigation, the investigation continued, remained open for more six months and its result was a premature archival. If the investigation had continued, and there are many diligences to be made, hundreds to be carried out - the process was not concluded with all the diligences - it could have even happened that which was said at a medium term, at that time, would not be established or it could have been confirmed. Therefore a criminal investigation always has to reach its end, so no ambiguities remain, speculations don’t thrive like it is happening at this moment, and also in order to not give material to certain conspiracy theories to flourish. I believe that that is the biggest problem of the investigations that do not reach an ending.
The three figures seen entering the church with a sack in July. The hypothesis is that it's possible that Maddie's body was put in the coffin of a lady. Goncalo does not mean it DID happen, only that it is one of the many possibilites in the investigation. Maybe there was another reason the three figures were going into the church with a sack...
REPLY: Yes, he does say elsewhere it is one of a number of possibilities. Every time I have seen mention of 'the widow in the coffin', I have looked in vain for these details:
A. Who is the source of this story?
B. What was the source doing out on the streets of Praia da Luz, at 3am/4am, in the morning, just before dawn?
C. When (on what precise date) did the source see these three shadowy figures, and
D. When did the source report his sighting - and to whom?
Can you - or anyone else - help with this please?
This is the translated portion of the video:Female narrator: There are also new hints never investigated that the former PJ coordinator makes public. This is the case of the churchAmaral: In mid-July, when here on PDL there were not many journalists, no longer this pressure,are sighted on a certain night, almost dawn, three figures with a sack,entering the church through one of these side doors.Inside the church was an urn with the corpse of a lady from the United Kingdom.This urn was later on the following day for the incineration in Ferreira do Alentejo.They do not describe the figures, they do not identify anyone, they only say that they are 3 figures who entered through the side door.This information comes to me in a certain way but in an interview that I gave, 2 years later,the journalist who was interviewing me that was from RAI says that she had indicated in her notebook the date that this information had arrived to her and that in fact coincided with what we had come to know.What is true is that someone with the key of the chapel, acceded and would take a heavy bag.I have contacted some undertakers who say that it is possible that a body of that child has been placed under the corpse of the other lady, namely under the legs. It is possibleThe identity of this person I do not know what it is but it is possible that with this report someone will contact the CMTV
I recall reading more to this in another interview translation. I will try to find it.
I found lots of information in the video that is not widely known, or at least, not given the explanations or hypothesis from the files.
REPLY: I found a fair amount, but not 'lots'. I do disagree with respect that we only know '10%' of what the PJ know. I realize that some things have been held back, but I think no too many. We know an awful lot from those files!
The content in the files are the official details covering a certain amount of time during the investigation. It does not cover the reports by all the police that attended that night, and the following days, (eg) only their statement summaries.
The first witness statements appear to be summaries and would not include the content of their conversations for the duration.
Kate's arguido questioning was for 13 hrs. What was said/discussed during that time that was not recorded in the statments.
Ricado Paiva was in their presence as a 'friend' but none of the information was recorded in the files.
The McCanns met up with the PJ but we have no knowledge of what was said during that time.
There were likely hundreds/thousands of hours spent discussing the investigation by Goncalo Amaral and other detectives.
Where are all the details from the 200 (approx) officers that spent days visiting and talking to the residents and visiting locations etcetc.
Leicester police have not allowed their information to be known
The T7 as well as the McCanns have only covered a small portion of their timeline for that week (whether true or not)
Lets not forget the many news reports that include quotes or very specific details that are very possibly credible.
eg: The six corpses is claimed to be a myth, not said by Kate, but by a family member. However, Correo da Manha reported immediately following the interviews, about this comment that was claimed to have been Kate's response. The family appear to have confirmed it AFTER the report from that night, giving the news article credibility.
Claims of a 48 hr warrant in preparation for an arrest of one of the friends from Exeter, which appears credible and specific in the news articles. Its not something I include in discussions as not included in files but I certainly retain the information
Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are following a new line of inquiry which could see them carry out a series of searches in the next 48 hours.
The developments mark the first departure from investigations centred on Robert Murat, the only formal suspect in the case, who has been ruled out and will be cleared of his "arguido" status within weeks.
Every detective in the Algarve is on standby today. Search warrants have been signed and police are awaiting final orders to start an operation believed to be linked to a new potential suspect.
The Policia Judiciaria, the Portuguese equivalent of CID, has been on alert since Friday. The details of the lead are a closely guarded secret and detectives have been warned that they are being monitored for any leaks.
The warrants are only vaild until the end of tomorrow, but could be extended if police believe it is worth pursuing.
The Public Prosecutor's Office, which directs the police inquiry, signed a series of documents on Friday, ordering the PJ in Faro to put detectives on standby and authorising search warrants at locations that may be linked to the disappearance of Madeleine 109 days ago.
There is SO much we don't know and 10% is just my guess. (Info added above is not in video but to explain why I feel we know very little)
David Payne was (apparently) seen on the McCanns' balcony by Mrs Fenn. Its not something that is in the files but has been featured in other (non translated videos). His suggestion that David Payne was there to help bathe the children was not something that had entered my head, and because I believe something happened earlier I tend to think it was more about the preparation of the 'abduction', but Goncalo offers it as a possibility.
REPLY: There is evidence, as per the Tavares de Almeida Interim Report of 10 Sep 2007, that the 'crime scene' in the children's room was deliberately staged. If Madeleine suffered a significant event back on Sunday/Monday as some here think, then whether David Payne or Matthew Oldfield or Russell O'Brien was seen on the balcony before or around 10.00pm on 3 May, it doesn't really matter. It would all be in connection with the preparation of the abduction scene. Amaral, still believing strongly that Madeleine died after 6pm on the Thursday, has in the past insinuated that something bad happened to Madeleine while David Payne was bathing her. I am unable to agree. The evidence to me is clear: the David Payne-Kate McCann meeting was probably fabricated just to lend weight to the claim that Madeleine was still alive at 6.30pm/7pm that Thursday evening.
It is possible, as claimed, that Mrs Fenn is said to have seen him on the balcony at 7pm (froman interview translation)
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We have been told by Goncalo Amaral that they received a report from FSS that Madeleine's blood was in the rental car (which they based the arguido interviews on apparently) but it was then claimed to have been changed. Goncalo says that this report should exist and one day be found. This is not something that we are privy to in the files.
REPLY: I think Amaral may be 100% right about that. The PJ could well have removed that first document from the files after Amaral was booted off the case.
I don't think it was a document the PJ held. It has not been released from the FSS, maybe following a phone call?
I agree that any comments from Goncalo Amaral have been known from the beginning, but not all of them are included in the files or shared in discussions.
REPLY: From about 19 minutes to 24 minutes on the video, Amaral dwells on Smithman and still seems to think that it would ne useful to interview the Smiths again. As is well known on CMOMM, I cannot possibly agree with him on that. I think it likely that no-one, for whatever reason, has yet been able to show him all the mountain of evidence that Martin Smith's brief and very tentative claim that he and his family saw Gerry carrying Madeleine that night has zero credibility.
Amaral thinks it reasonable for Martin Smith to have 'recognised' Gerry McCann from 'the way he was holding Sean' - especially four months after he only glimpsed the man for a second or two in the dark, adding on 26 May 2007: "I would never be able to recognise him if I saw him again".
I would like Amaral to see a Portuguese translation of the OPs in SMITHMAN1 to SMITHMAN 10.
And Richard Hall's second film: 'The Phantoms' >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0-ePd3FCU
And I would like him to be aware of how Nuno Lourenco lied to him about Wojchiech Krokowski.
Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
I agree with HiDeHo's claim about 10% of information. In explanation, I will outline a real event as much as possible. Person X approaches person Y to reveal her fear that she would soon be murdered. X tells Y of a catalogue of recent abuse, attempts on her life which she had disclosed to only one other, (I'll call them Z ) threats to murder her and plans by the perpetrator of how he will get away with it. X and another person are subsequently murdered. During the investigation Y and Z are interviewed at length. Their testimony is excluded and deemed inadmissible as it is hearsay evidence since X is no longer in a position to confirm it (having been killed). At trial, the defense puts forward the claim that the murderer had an unpremeditated, sudden loss of reason. That is what the jury and media hear. The real story is very different and not to be found recorded in any official file. Knowing this, I could well believe that much of what an investigation uncovers remains unrecorded and unknown.
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Just one more example of information not entered into the files.
Paulo Rebelo's visit to the apartment in October.
NOTHING that I can find in the files and yet, although a news report, photos prove it happened. If ANYONE can find something in the files I would appreciate.
Sorry, a little off topic but included in response to comment about how much we really DO know from the information we have.
Paulo Rebelo's visit to the apartment in October.
NOTHING that I can find in the files and yet, although a news report, photos prove it happened. If ANYONE can find something in the files I would appreciate.
Sorry, a little off topic but included in response to comment about how much we really DO know from the information we have.
Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
Well, if Amaral has all this information as he claims (I am assuming here that past and present interpretation/translation is accurate), I hope all will be revealed sooner rather than later. Not only to move the investigation forward but to halt unfounded speculation about secreted documentation and the finer detail of provocative innuendo.HiDeHo wrote:
Goncalo often refers to details that are unknown to us. His knowledge and comments may be included in the files or may be from his memory and 'intelligence' discussions.
I'd hate to see this end with another untold story.
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Hmmm...a question...HiDeHo wrote:Just one more example of information not entered into the files.
Paulo Rebelo's visit to the apartment in October.
NOTHING that I can find in the files and yet, although a news report, photos prove it happened. If ANYONE can find something in the files I would appreciate.
Sorry, a little off topic but included in response to comment about how much we really DO know from the information we have.
Was this a genuine piece of investigative work with some forensic evidence coming out of it...?
...or, as I suspect was the case, was this merely an extended photo opportunity? - with Rebelo having briefed press and accompanying photographers to come along and have a look and take photos, just to make it seem like he was really doing something - when actually he wasn't.
In other words, was it just for show?
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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"
Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
In many respects Goncalo Amaral appears to be quite an enigma. The most baffling for me is his apparent adherence to the PJ investigations hypothesis way back in the summer of 2007 - as regards the PJ investigation, that didn't seem to progress beyond Amaral's removal in October 2007 - from then, whilst the Portuguese relaxed into complaisance, the wheels were in motion back in the UK by the McCann defence league.
I don't know Dr Amaral, I have never had contact with him but I get the impression from various sources that his plight for justice in the name of Madeleine McCann continues - aided and abetted by interested parties inside and outside of Portugal. Why then does he remain stuck in the summer of 2007? Is this just a facade with better things to come at some unspecified time in the future or is he so confident in the PJ's original hypothesis that any alternative is automatically dismissed despite compelling evidence to the contrary?
Tales of Smith and Fenn and mystery loiterers and locked/unlocked doors and purple smokers and balcony smokers - the list is endless. Yet, despite having contact with fellow sceptics he hasn't moved forward? Curious.
All will be revealed - or not as the case maybe.
I don't know Dr Amaral, I have never had contact with him but I get the impression from various sources that his plight for justice in the name of Madeleine McCann continues - aided and abetted by interested parties inside and outside of Portugal. Why then does he remain stuck in the summer of 2007? Is this just a facade with better things to come at some unspecified time in the future or is he so confident in the PJ's original hypothesis that any alternative is automatically dismissed despite compelling evidence to the contrary?
Tales of Smith and Fenn and mystery loiterers and locked/unlocked doors and purple smokers and balcony smokers - the list is endless. Yet, despite having contact with fellow sceptics he hasn't moved forward? Curious.
All will be revealed - or not as the case maybe.
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Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
HiDeHo wrote:Just one more example of information not entered into the files.
Paulo Rebelo's visit to the apartment in October.
NOTHING that I can find in the files and yet, although a news report, photos prove it happened. If ANYONE can find something in the files I would appreciate.
Sorry, a little off topic but included in response to comment about how much we really DO know from the information we have.
Is that the window to Maddies bedroom? Looks larger, like a patio door to me.
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Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
That's not how the system works. Ambassadors do not have authority to interfere with a host countries administration, they certainly have no authority to interfere with a criminal investigation. A British citizen victim of crime in another country, is entitled to consular assistance with limited powers. Normally, it is the local police in the host country who inform the regional consulate of the crime, the notion that the crime victim (I use the word victim with reticence) arranging for the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in the UK to be contacted direct is, I venture to suggest, unheard of. Even if it happened, the caller would be told to contact the local police and/or consulate.Phoebe wrote:
Didn't Gerry McCann make one of his first calls on the night of the 3rd to a friend with diplomatic links? Would this not have been immediately passed on, complete with details? Jill Renwick also used her contacts to alert those close to Brown. Perhaps the British authorities believed in the "abduction" story and were eager to be seen to be pro-active.
Trust me - that's how it should work. I speak from personal experience, an ambassador only makes an appearance if the country or an area therein is affected by a mass disaster, such as outbreak of war, immediate threat of widespread terrorism or a natural disaster claiming and/or threatening the lives of British citizens. That or a half hour appearance at a jolly cocktail party to shake hands with British subjects who happen to be in the area s/he is visiting.
The UK government/authorities would not have benefited by some PR exercise through the disappearance of Madeleine McCann or supporting the grieving parents. Why? Because the public were not aware of the lurid detail until the release of the PJ files into the public domain and Kate McCann's autobiographical chiclit. Besides, how does a private phone call by the Premier elect, Gordon Brown to Gerry McCann, benefit government image - or a personal call by the PM's wife, Cherie Blair, to Kate McCann whilst she was out jogging. The first lady even said she would have a word with one Catherine 'my husband stole my kids' Meyer, ex-wife of former British ambassador to the US of A. An influential figure in the world of child protection - like P.A.C.T for example. I can't see any of this underhand maneuvering assisting the UK governments popularity image.
Hardly a vote catcher - less so in days of austerity.
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Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
"Didn't Gerry McCann make one of his first calls on the night of the 3rd to a friend with diplomatic links? Would this not have been immediately passed on, complete with details? Jill Renwick also used her contacts to alert those close to Brown. Perhaps the British authorities believed in the "abduction" story and were eager to be seen to be pro-active."
The first part of the above was in response to a claim that the British authorities could not have known that the group involved were doctors employed by the N.H.S. Whenever there is a report of a tragic accident / incident abroad here it invariably concludes with the reassurance that "those concerned and their families are being given all consular assistance"! Agreed, in this case the assistance was extraordinary, but then this was an extraordinary event. Regarding the vote garnering, I have an abiding memory of the night Leo Blair was born. Tony emerged from number 10 in jeans and casual top with artfully rumpled hair carrying a much needed mug of tea with a picture of the Blair family emblazoned on it to speak to the waiting media. Talk about image conscious! He might as well have held up a sign saying "I'm a regular family guy, I understand your lives". We fell about laughing. I'm sure most of the British electorate didn't give two hoots if Cherie had had quintuplets, but it didn't deter him. Tony never wasted an opportunity to promote the "right" image. It was almost as good as George W. dressed in the American Airforce jacket after 9/11. There is nothing these guys won't use to boost their image and gain kudos. They'll kiss babies, dispatch ambassadors or order air-strikes with little thought for anything other than their political image. B.T.W. our gang over here are even worse!!
The first part of the above was in response to a claim that the British authorities could not have known that the group involved were doctors employed by the N.H.S. Whenever there is a report of a tragic accident / incident abroad here it invariably concludes with the reassurance that "those concerned and their families are being given all consular assistance"! Agreed, in this case the assistance was extraordinary, but then this was an extraordinary event. Regarding the vote garnering, I have an abiding memory of the night Leo Blair was born. Tony emerged from number 10 in jeans and casual top with artfully rumpled hair carrying a much needed mug of tea with a picture of the Blair family emblazoned on it to speak to the waiting media. Talk about image conscious! He might as well have held up a sign saying "I'm a regular family guy, I understand your lives". We fell about laughing. I'm sure most of the British electorate didn't give two hoots if Cherie had had quintuplets, but it didn't deter him. Tony never wasted an opportunity to promote the "right" image. It was almost as good as George W. dressed in the American Airforce jacket after 9/11. There is nothing these guys won't use to boost their image and gain kudos. They'll kiss babies, dispatch ambassadors or order air-strikes with little thought for anything other than their political image. B.T.W. our gang over here are even worse!!
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Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
Maybe they should try kissing frogs - might have more effect .Phoebe wrote: They'll kiss babies,
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Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017
It would be hard to tell which was slimiest . On another note, something Dr Amaral said which didn't jar with the way I'd been thinking was about the Smith sighting. Now admittedly, he didn't say it directly, but I think the implication was obvious. He points out that the Smiths come forward with their sighting immediately after Murat has been made an arguido and were eager to stress that the man they claimed to see could not have been him. I've always believed they came forward to clear Murat who at that stage was in deep doodah.Verdi wrote:Maybe they should try kissing frogs - might have more effect .Phoebe wrote: They'll kiss babies,
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