Re: Finally! TRANSLATED VIDEO - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017

by Carrry On Doctor 26.05.17 10:02

Thank you HiDeHo.

GA seemingly supports death on the 3rd, but doesn't explain the phone records, creche register anomalies, lack of family photos, no credible sightings of MBM, change in TMs behaviour, or near impossibility of timescales to stage a faked abduction so quickly.

GA questions Payne and highlights the Gaspar statements, which highlights his importance in what happened. Law suits involving Payne are news to me.

Regarding the apartment that TM's were seen visiting after the 3rd, surely if witnesses exist then its location is easily identified ? Is this where the fridge came from ?

I too would like to know a lot more about the Vilamoura phone call.

I thought that Robert Murat would have featured more. He too is key.

Regarding political interference, I still think this was a popularity stunt by a Prime Minister in waiting. Saving Face and Freemasonry kicking in when the penny drops that all is not what it seems.

Its so frustrating.....why does Portugal continue to allow itself to look foolish ? The Supreme Court has set the scene....get the EAW issued and this case properly investigated !!

by Phoebe 26.05.17 11:11

"The Foreign and Commonwealth Office nor the British police nor the CEOP nor any other government official, would have known the identity or background of the victims (snort!)".

Didn't Gerry McCann make one of his first calls on the night of the 3rd to a friend with diplomatic links? Would this not have been immediately passed on, complete with details? Jill Renwick also used her contacts to alert those close to Brown. Perhaps the British authorities believed in the "abduction" story and were eager to be seen to be pro-active. The media rushed to the spot at great expense and the fact that Madeleine could have been found at any minute did not deter them. They were going to make this event headline news from the get-go. If they were going it would have looked bad if there was no support from government there. Imagine the reports - traumatized victims alone on foreign soil left without aid. I do believe that it would have been embarrassing to have it spread across the world media that British N.H.S. doctors could have been responsible for the disappearance of a child. Much as I entertain other scenarios, I am loathe to dismiss Dr. Amaral's instincts as he was closest to the investigation at the time and remains connected since. I imagine he knows and suspects things which he has still not divulged but he was quite clear in this program that the task of the British was to ensure this group was protected from investigation and charges.

by pennylane 26.05.17 11:53

Phoebe wrote: "The Foreign and Commonwealth Office nor the British police nor the CEOP nor any other government official, would have known the identity or background of the victims (snort!)".

Didn't Gerry McCann make one of his first calls on the night of the 3rd to a friend with diplomatic links? Would this not have been immediately passed on, complete with details? Jill Renwick also used her contacts to alert those close to Brown. Perhaps the British authorities believed in the "abduction" story and were eager to be seen to be pro-active. The media rushed to the spot at great expense and the fact that Madeleine could have been found at any minute did not deter them. They were going to make this event headline news from the get-go. If they were going it would have looked bad if there was no support from government there. Imagine the reports - traumatized victims alone on foreign soil left without aid. I do believe that it would have been embarrassing to have it spread across the world media that British N.H.S. doctors could have been responsible for the disappearance of a child. Much as I entertain other scenarios, I am loathe to dismiss Dr. Amaral's instincts as he was closest to the investigation at the time and remains connected since. I imagine he knows and suspects things which he has still not divulged but he was quite clear in this program that the task of the British was to ensure this group was protected from investigation and charges.

I agree Phoebe!

The 10pm phone calls between the Drs McCann, as recently confirmed by Goncalo Amaral, are hugely significant, as they show the McCanns were already apart and in hustle mode, and not just kicking off the alarm as claimed. This gives added credence to the 9:15/9:20 alarm that was overheard by several witnesses on that ill fated night, and also the earlier empty tapas bar table.

I remain convinced M died earlier that evening, and was discovered at 9:20 (ish) when the commotion was heard, and that G ran into the Smith's whilst moving her.

by Guest 26.05.17 12:46

HiDeHo wrote:Finally! The VIDEO TRANSLATION you have been waiting for! It's worth the wait.

TRANSLATED Click CC icon - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUHp85TyJ0Y

Thank you HiDeHo and all your little helpers, for all your hard work. Always worth the time and effort thumbsup

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by pennylane 26.05.17 13:23

princess_leia wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:Or the David Payne lawsuits.

Yes, that too.

The 10pm phone calls between the Drs McCann, and the multiple David Payne lawsuits, are two very surprising aspects of this case that we've not been privy to before! I feel sure there are other significant details not yet divulged that would be equally astonishing. Looking forward to Dr Goncalo Amaral publishing a new book on this case in English! roses

by sar 26.05.17 14:39

...maybe keeping powder dry

by pennylane 26.05.17 15:02

sar wrote:...maybe keeping powder dry

Obviously he is, because that's newly released damning information, and one has to ask what else is Dr Amaral privy to that he has not thus far divulged.

Methinks TM and Op Grange are petrified of him! affraid

by Guest 26.05.17 15:18

What is the evidence for the 10pm phone call.

Because if that is true then the PJ files are not.

by pennylane 26.05.17 15:43

BlueBag wrote:What is the evidence for the 10pm phone call.

Because if that is true then the PJ files are not.

From what I have read, there is possible variance between phone information gleaned, information held back, and also what came through at a later date? (imo).

I'm 100% certain Goncalo Amaral is not fabricating those phone calls, neither is he making the David Payne lawsuits up.

by **HiDeHo** 26.05.17 15:56

Verdi wrote:
HiDeHo wrote:Finally! The VIDEO TRANSLATION you have been waiting for! It's worth the wait.

TRANSLATED Click CC icon - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUHp85TyJ0Y
Thank you HiDeHo and all your little helpers, for all your hard work. Always worth the time and effort .

Thanks Verdi. Its always a challenge but as I was doing it, I realised that I was able to give a UK voice to Goncalo Amarals words. I know he would appreciate that.

I have no idea how I do it, to be honest lol I don't know the language, but somehow I know when I have it in the right place. Its all trial and error. All I know is that I love doing it. It's a challenge and once I get it right its a great sense of achievement My motivation is that its needed and appreciated and if I don't do it noone else will, but how I got myself in that position I have no idea. big grin

by sar 26.05.17 17:40

HiDeHo wrote:
Verdi wrote:
HiDeHo wrote:Finally! The VIDEO TRANSLATION you have been waiting for! It's worth the wait.

TRANSLATED Click CC icon - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUHp85TyJ0Y
Thank you HiDeHo and all your little helpers, for all your hard work. Always worth the time and effort .

Eternally grateful!!!!! Thank you.

Thanks Verdi. Its always a challenge but as I was doing it, I realised that I was able to give a UK voice to Goncalo Amarals words. I know he would appreciate that.

I have no idea how I do it, to be honest lol I don't know the language, but somehow I know when I have it in the right place. Its all trial and error. All I know is that I love doing it. It's a challenge and once I get it right its a great sense of achievement My motivation is that its needed and appreciated and if I don't do it noone else will, but how I got myself in that position I have no idea.

by bobbin 26.05.17 17:51

HiDeHo wrote:
Verdi wrote:
HiDeHo wrote:Finally! The VIDEO TRANSLATION you have been waiting for! It's worth the wait.

TRANSLATED Click CC icon - CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - YOU WONT WANT TO MISS THIS! May 1st 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUHp85TyJ0Y
Thank you HiDeHo and all your little helpers, for all your hard work. Always worth the time and effort .

Thanks Verdi. Its always a challenge but as I was doing it, I realised that I was able to give a UK voice to Goncalo Amarals words. I know he would appreciate that.

I have no idea how I do it, to be honest lol I don't know the language, but somehow I know when I have it in the right place. Its all trial and error. All I know is that I love doing it. It's a challenge and once I get it right its a great sense of achievement My motivation is that its needed and appreciated and if I don't do it noone else will, but how I got myself in that position I have no idea.

HiDeHo, huge thanks from me, and to Ms. Belchoir for the translation and to any and all your other 'assistants'.
They say, when a volunteer discovers that s(he) has become a volunteer by apparently stepping forward it's only because all the others have stepped backwards. big grin

I do believe however that only a chosen few have the skills, application and necessary grit for certain roles. You have shown that this is your unassailable strength. I am so useless at I.T. that I would be failing everyone including Madeleine if I offered my assistance in this role.

However, the translation and application to the video has wakened a new line, and it's pleasantly surprising how adept the CMoMM forum members are because the 10.00 p.m. phone call has been picked out as very interesting. Members know the material so deeply, that any 'oddity' really shows up.

I do not believe for one moment that Goncalo Amaral would countenance a 'fabrication'. If indeed, as we suspect, material has been held back or come forward subsequently, then it's
only a matter of time before the affair becomes unravelled.

Collective persistence and grit are what Madeleine requires. Poor little soul, no person would be worth their salt if they did not raise a hand for her.

There are plenty of cowards out there, but there are more good souls than there are self-interested cheats, liars and abusers.

The translation and application to video must have been a real trial, but just for that one opening '10.00 p.m. phone discrepancy' and its implications, it must all be appreciated as a 'break in the clouds'.

Without the translation and video, Sr. Amaral's words would have been lost to such a large audience, and they are pivotal.
I wonder what else is being sat on and where and when it will all come spilling out.

by NickE 26.05.17 20:27

princess_leia wrote:I found it very interesting, thanks again to HiDeHo and her team for the time and effort that must have gone into it.

I can't seem to recall an apartment having been mentioned before, is this new news, or old news?

I also don't remember that a call was made between K & G at 10pm. Nor do I remember a call that was made from Vilamoura. So again, is this new information?

(Pat Perkins, the lady who brought us the mysterious "tennisball photo")

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by Phoebe 26.05.17 20:59

This video alludes to information which I was unaware of. Dr. Amaral speaks of a third schedule of "checking" on the night of the 3rd May which was given to "the English liaison officer". It's the first time I've heard of this. Nor had I heard of the woman in purple smoking outside the door of Jane Tanner's apartment. Perhaps the media who were so sure the purple lady "held the key to the mystery" should talk to Jane again. Dr. Amaral is adamant that the Smith sighting is fundamental and seems to suggest that he wanted to ascertain if the man and child were Gerry and Madeleine. It was also news to me that Kate admitted having Calpol Night with her on the holiday. Yvonne Martin claims to recognize David Payne from lawsuits, not just "in the course of her work" which the files record. The 10p.m. phone call between Kate and Gerry is most interesting. I suspect that there is still quite a bit of information that is not in the public domain.

by NickE 26.05.17 21:30

BlueBag wrote:What is the evidence for the 10pm phone call.

Because if that is true then the PJ files are not.

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http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

by Guest 26.05.17 23:18

Here we go again! This video is not a HiDeHo opinion, it is but a much awaited interpretation of an interview with Goncalo Amaral - it needs to be put in context and taken for it's worth. From where I'm standing, Goncalo Amaral's position during this interview, has not developed beyond circa. summer 2007. It is a generalisation based entirely on the witness statements of the McCanns and their group of friends making no allowances for progress above and beyond.

Already I see viewers taking everything at face value without giving any thought to extensive research undertaken since the summer of 2007 and the release of the PJ Files in the summer of 2008. Inaccuracies have been overlooked in favour of adulation for the victim of the McCann defence league - Dr Amaral Goncalo! Admirable in it's sentiment but hardly productive in pursuit of justice for little Madeleine McCann.

For example. Dr Amaral references the possible sedation of Madeleine and/or the twins by the use of Calpol which he refers to as an antihistamine - it's not, it's a derivative of paracetamol. He alludes to Yvonne Martin's statement referencing David Payne and law suits in england - she did not know if he was a witness or suspect. Yvonne Martin did not say that! She said she thought she remembered him somewhere in the past in a professional capacity but couldn't be more specific.

So off goes the hysteria, shock horror - Goncalo Amaral has revealed information never before known about sedation and Yvonne Martin and whatever else. Not true! Goncalo Amaral during this interview is theorizing, using the McCann groups witness statements as intelligence (excuse the word), he is not presenting a case before a court of law. For whatever reason, publicly he hasn't moved beyond his time as case coordinator, If he's got something new to reveal, it certainly isn't contained in this interview video. Frankly, I don't think he's so naive as to bare his soul to the devil - the media! If he's got something explosive to reveal it won't be through the medium of some Portuguese tabloid equivalent - heaven knows, they haven't been too kind to him in the past, why would he trust them ten years down the line?

No disrespect to Dr Amaral, just telling it like it is.

Thanks again to HiDeHo and team for presenting this video with English interpretation for information.

by Guest 26.05.17 23:50

Phoebe wrote:This video alludes to information which I was unaware of. Dr. Amaral speaks of a third schedule of "checking" on the night of the 3rd May which was given to "the English liaison officer".

By the Sunday evening [13th May 2007], we found ourselves giving our statements again, this time to a couple of detectives from Control Risks. We were concerned that parts of the statements we had made to the Portuguese police, especially on that first day, might have been lost in translation.

We also felt that these accounts were not sufficiently thorough and wanted to have every detail we could remember registered properly. Unfortunately, in our haste to pass the new statements on to the PJ, we made the mistake of assuming that the transcripts would be correct and discovered only many months later that these, too, contained inaccuracies. And they had been given and recorded in English!

A word of advice, in case you are ever unlucky enough to find yourself involved in a criminal investigation in any country: always make sure that you read your statement, in your own language, after you’ve provided it.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive yes

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by Phoebe 27.05.17 0:01

"Calpol night oral solution contains two active ingredients, paracetamol and diphenhydramine hydrochloride. Diphenhydramine is a type of medicine called a sedating antihistamine. It enters the brain in sufficient quantities to cause drowsiness" Calpol Night was discontinued in 2009.

What we, the public, know of Yvonne Martin's claims are merely what is recorded in the file. We do not know or were not party to anything else she may have said or intimated. As anyone who has given sworn testimony knows quite a lot of conversation occurs before a statement is taken down, agreed or amended. Who knows what was discussed between her and the interviewers before a final statement was agreed? Only those who were present. You say that - ".Dr. Amaral's position in this interview has not developed beyond circa Summer 2007". I very much doubt that he has rested on his laurels. Other scenarios must have been considered by him. However, he seems to still believe his original hypothesis is the correct one. If he was wary of doing this program surely he could have just refused. He seems unafraid to speculate on how a body may have been permanently disposed of, so it does not sound as if he is pulling his punches or being cautious about matters beyond proof. I am inclined to trust his judgement.

by Guest 27.05.17 0:30

A common misconception with this case since May 2007 - to believe what one wants to believe. To ignore what is before the reader, the reality dismissed in favour of what ifs or maybes or supposing or presuming or we don't knows.

Little point in researching all available information to guide the ill-informed only to be ignored for the sake of frivolous obstinence.

I give up!

by Phoebe 27.05.17 1:05

@ Verdi. But that is the problem. All we know for sure is that Madeleine has disappeared, the dogs indicate a dead body had been in the apartment, in the car and near the McCanns' clothing and cuddlecat. Blood which initially was claimed to be hers was found in the apartment and hire car, together with cadaver odour After that it is all deduction. Agreed, the McCanns changed their routine and have no photos of Madeleine later in the week. The group contradict each others version of events during the week. For all we know the explanation for these facts might be that Kate and Gerry had had an enormous row and weren't speaking to each other or mixing properly with the rest for days. We know the creche records contradict the nannies statements and those of the parents. However, this could be because the creche was a badly run shambles with nannies skiving off, covering for each other or changed to other tasks when they should have been on duty. We know the Kate McCann was periodically busy on the phone to friends in England at odd hours. Again, this could be because of marital strife which they wanted to keep hidden. We know they deleted calls but not why. We know they released inappropriate photos of Madeleine - this could be because they are two people who have no real idea of appropriate parent/ child relationships. We know that the apartment was cleaned, but this could have been achieved quite quickly with a few people pitching in. None of these explanations is impossible, that is the problem. The P.J. had the information to peruse and pursue for months after the McCanns fled and before archiving. I cannot believe that they did not spot the inconsistencies and red flags which are apparent to all who read the files. All I do know is that for me, the McCanns, their friends and the nannies are not telling the truth.

by Guest 27.05.17 6:32

Verdi wrote:

By the Sunday evening [13th May 2007], we found ourselves giving our statements again, this time to a couple of detectives from Control Risks.

Control Risks have detectives?

"Control Risks is an independent, global risk consultancy specialising in helping organisations manage political, integrity and security risks in complex and hostile environments. We support clients by providing strategic consultancy, expert analysis and in-depth investigations, handling sensitive political issues and providing practical on-the-ground protection and support."

Is is not obvious from their own raison d'etre why they were there?

https://www.controlrisks.com/

by skyrocket 27.05.17 8:29

@Verdi - Goncalo Amaral was entirely correct when he said that Yvonne Martin believed she had come across David Payne before in her professional capacity, either as a witness or a suspect:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

--YVONNE describes the third individual as follows:
Aged about 35 years
Of about 1,80 metres in height
Of normal physical appearance
Having short, dark hair
Using graduated glasses of small dimensions with rectangular lenses
Having a round face
Presenting a scar above his eyebrow and on his left cheek
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Speaking with a Southern English accent
Wearing light trousers, cream or beige coloured, and a dark polo shirt.

- When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

- She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children

Bringing this to your attention,

Signed

José Monteiro

@HiDeHo - many thanks for organising the translation. You are doing an invaluable job. clapping

by Guest 27.05.17 8:49

Thats fantastic hi de ho. Great work by all involved getting this translated and on youtube. I'm on holiday just now but looking forward to watching this when I get home.

by Guest 27.05.17 15:57

skyrocket wrote:@Verdi - Goncalo Amaral was entirely correct when he said that Yvonne Martin believed she had come across David Payne before in her professional capacity, either as a witness or a suspect:

Thus you confirm my point @skyrocket by selecting random words and re-presenting out of context. Whatever the mode of misrepresentation it doesn't alter the fact that some of Goncalo Amaral's words, as transcribed from this interview, are not accurate. As I said originally, he is theorizing as he did back in the summer of 2007 (sounds like a shcool reunion), using witness statements as a base. There is nothing revelationary to be found in this interview - it is but a reiteration of his theorizing and the PJ investigation during his time served as case coordinator.

If Dr Amaral has something explosive secreted then spectators must wait until such times as he feels it right to reveal - I don't think that will be by way of the media! He knows above all others how manipulative and damaging they can be.

I repeat, this is not a criticism of Dr Amaral, I don't believe this interview was intended to reveal anything sensational. The important thing is that Goncalo Amaral has his voice back following the vindictive hounding by the McCanns and thanks to HiDeHo an English version!

Good to know you're still keeping a casual eye on my forum presence winkwink

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by skyrocket 27.05.17 19:14

Just in case anyone is skimming through this - let's be clear about what Yvonne Martin said when referring specifically to David Payne (no word selection etc, just a complete copy/paste from the files). The paragraph below is directly from the statement that she gave to Inspector Jose Monteiro in June 2007, which was then sent on to Snr Amaral:

'When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness'.

@Verdi - You're original statement (reproduced below) is clearly incorrect:

'He [Amaral] alludes to Yvonne Martin's statement referencing David Payne and law suits in england - she did not know if he was a witness or suspect. Yvonne Martin did not say that! She said she thought she remembered him somewhere in the past in a professional capacity but couldn't be more specific'.

No actually, Yvonne Martin did not say that!

This may be a minor point but let's stick to the facts as represented in witness statements and let members/readers form their own opinions. I think the issue of Calpol Night has already been addressed.

by Guest 27.05.17 22:07

@skyrocket #55

Slap on the wrist duly noted!

Fortunately this thread isn't about me, it's about (or should be) the Portuguese video featuring Goncalo Amaral where he makes a number of generalisations about witness statement specifics. My reason for making a broad statement in my original post about the testimonies of Yvonne Martin was because she made references to her recognition of David Payne on different occasions - all with evolving recollection. I will however be sure in future to quote direct from the files, time permitting, rather than using a a global expression like, I quote myself.. " She said she thought she remembered him somewhere in the past in a professional capacity but couldn't be more specific'. In the interest of accuracy..

Yvonne Martin's various accounts of her encounter with David Payne..

Yvonne Martin - witness statement June 2007

She adds that this third person appeared familiar to her.

then..

As she said earlier, this third person of the group is familiar to her, and thinks
that she may have come across him in the course of her work, as a suspect or witness.

Memo from Jose Monteiro to Goncalo Amaral

When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness.

Yvonne Martin - November 2007 witness statement

With regards to the individual who was close to Madeleine's parents when she met them, and who was later identified as David Payne, she reaffirms that the same individual seems familiar, possibly as this same individual intervened in a situation related to a professional activity of the witness. She clarifies that neither on that occasion, nor now that time has passed, can she remember concretely the place or the situation in which she may have come to know David Payne, but that she continues to think that the same individual is familiar to her but cannot state the particular situation.

She adds that her hypothesis is that she may have come to know him professionally through work, potentially having been colleagues at work or have worked at the same place but she cannot be certain where she met him as she does not remember.
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When taking Yvonne Martin's involvement on board, it's important to remember she also apparently sent an anonymous letter to the UK police outlining her suspicions. For clarity here is the reference from the PJ files..

Processos Vol XIII Page 3421

Date : 2007-11-14

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Paolo Rebelo

From: Paolo Ferreira, Inspector

Service Information

Subject: Expedient related to Yvonne Warren Martin

In the sequence of the contents of the service information in annex, which was prepared by Inspector José Monteira on 12-06-2007, the questioning of Yvonne Warren Martin was twice begun, according to the files that are also joined to this.

The statement relates in detail her intervention with the McCann couple after having heard about Madeleine's disappearance.

She adds that on one occasion, because it had occurred to her that the parents and the friends could eventually be involved in the child's disappearance, she wrote an anonymous letter to the British police.

The statements given to the PJ today by Yvonne Martin provide a concrete clarification of the reasons for her suspicions, which in my opinion, do not point to any concrete element that could, in any way, make other inquiries directly related to her statements, viable.

With nothing further to add.

Signed

Inspector Ferreira

There you have it dear reader - make up our own minds as to the veracity of this witness who appeared on the 4th May 2007 from out of the blue and for some reason sent an anonymous letter to the UK police about her suspicions. Personally I have suspicions about the witness but that's not for this thread.
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To get back on topic and my original point, as can be seen from the video, I repeat.. "He alludes to Yvonne Martin's statement referencing David Payne and law suits in england". This is inaccurate - Yvonne Martin made no claim about law suits in England relating to David Payne. Clearly Dr Amaral would benefit from your invaluable advice.

by Phoebe 28.05.17 1:23

In fairness there is information in this video that is more than a mere rehashing of what is in the files to which we now have access. For example, Dr Amaral speaks of Jez having seen a woman dressed in purple, smoking outside Jane Tanner's apartment. This detail is not in any file I have read so I assume it came from conversation with Jez during interviewing but was not recorded. Such an occurrence may well have happened in other interviews, meaning the P.J. at the time heard much more than we are able to access. Dr. Amaral firmly states his belief that all the children were left unattended, all, not just the McCann children, were given some form of sedation and that all of the Tapas 9 are therefore equally culpable of charges of neglect. This could be important as to the motive for the Tapas friends' willingness to lie about what had happened to Madeleine and seems to support the reason for Gerry's claim that the child-checking arrangements were a "collective decision". They could have felt that if the McCanns were charged with child neglect they would be too. If so, their decision to lie for the McCanns was them saving their own bacon. Dr. Amaral also states his belief that that they all accessed their apartments through their unlocked patio doors, never passing by the front of the apartment block and that they were at pains to deny this. He gives the impression that some of the reason for Gerry's contradictory statements sprang from anxiety over what might be the penalty for admitting the children had been left in unsecured apartments. He was forced to change his story due to the police finding the front door keys in the apartment. Who know what discussions took place off the record between Martin Grime and the P.J.? The latter are not stupid, they must have questioned if it was possible for the cadaver odour to develop in the short time-frame available. Police on the ground during an active investigation are obviously party to all sorts of information. Hearsay evidence is inadmissible in court and doesn't get included in the book of evidence, but that does not mean it is valueless. The P.J. probably heard quite a lot that was not included in the official files but may well have informed their thinking. The same goes for those unwilling to make official statements who may have spoken to police but were loathe to make it official.

by Guest 28.05.17 14:24

Phoebe wrote:In fairness there is information in this video that is more than a mere rehashing of what is in the files to which we now have access. For example, Dr Amaral speaks of Jez having seen a woman dressed in purple, smoking outside Jane Tanner's apartment. This detail is not in any file I have read so I assume it came from conversation with Jez during interviewing but was not recorded.

For the umpteenth time - Dr Amaral's theorizing during this video hasn't altered since his time served as case coordinator between May and October 2007 - at least not publicly. The theorizing is founded primarily on the McCann groups witness statements and those of key players, who could all be viewed with suspicion. Again I say, this is no criticism of Dr Amaral, whom I happen to hold in high esteem - his job was hampered from the beginning by UK interference. How many times has he said that the McCanns and outside influence were leading the investigation. The investigation was working towards the truth, Dr Amaral was timely removed from the case - the rest, as they say, is history! That simple fact encompasses all your comments - it's what the McCanns and their friends told, which was/is very far from the truth.

Of course intelligence is garnered during informal interviews and conversation but without knowing, from a public perspective, detail of this information it's useless to speculate. Stick to what's in black and white and build on that, without uneccessary adornment invention, not what might or might not have been said.

Just for the record..

WITNESS TESTIMONY OF JEREMY WILKINS - April 2008

Q. Relative to the exact location you met Gerry

I left my apartment pushing my son's pram so that he could sleep. I did not have a particular direction to follow nor did I have a specific time to do this. I left the apartment and turned right. I walked via the lower street, looked to the building block where the McCann apartment was situated and saw a woman dressed in purple clothing. I referred to this woman in relation to the questions asked by Jane Tanner.

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner

Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.
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Please, I beg you, don't say anything like - 'ah but he didn't say anything about smoking. It's of no importance.

by **HiDeHo** 28.05.17 14:26

My personal belief is that the files give us only a small portion of the information available (10% maybe?) The 'intelligence' at the time, the casual conversations with many, including the T9 that were never recorded but would have given lots of information that we are not privy to.

Goncalo often refers to details that are unknown to us. His knowledge and comments may be included in the files or may be from his memory and 'intelligence' discussions. He is unlikely to know exactly what was released in the files and the details that were not. Hence the comments on details not in the files. Maybe information gleaned from telephone calls, texts, emails etc that cannot be used in the investigation.

We have scrutinised the files but it would be hard to imagine exactly how much more information has been gleaned from unofficial conversations and investigations. There are no official statements from Alice Stanley and Chris Unsworth, but that doesn't mean they didn't talk to them regarding the mini sail which was to supposedly have happened on Thursday morning. One of the last times Maddie would have been seen. (or not seen).

The detail in the video about all of the T9 (except the Paynes) using the patio doors instead of the front doors leads to some interesting details that were not in the files and as far as I know, not inluded in the many discussions about Jane Tanner and bundleman. The PJ were aware she did not go to the front doors and therefore the the sighting, which was the main evidence of an abduction, never happened.

This is something that I have not seen discussed (I would like to see the thread if I am wrong).

What this tells me is that either the T7 ALL left their patio doors open (which I dont believe is likely) OR that there was always someone in the apartment. Possibly looking after the children?

I have many questions about some of the comments made in the video.

Why did the phone call from Vilamoura feature as important?

How could the key on the counter be evidence of anything?

Why does Goncalo suggest the case not coming to any conclusions was because of political pressure, when we know the case was due to be shelved in July as the 14 months (8 months plus 2 x 3 month extensions) after an arguido declared.

The three figures seen entering the church with a sack in July. The hypothesis is that its possible that Maddie's body was put in the coffin of a lady. Goncalo does not mean it DID happen, only that it is one of the many possibilites in the investigation. Maybe there was another reason the three figures were going into the church with a sack....

I found lots of information in the video that is not widely known, or at least, not given the explanations or hypothesis from the files.

David Payne was (apparently) seen on the McCanns balcony by Mrs Fenn. Its not something that is in the files but has been featured in other (non translated videos). His suggestion that David Payne was there to help bathe the children was not something that had entered my head, and because I believe something happened earlier I tend to think it was more about the preparation of the 'abduction', but Goncalo offers it as a possibility.

We have been told by Goncalo Amaral that they received a report from FSS that Madeleine's blood was in the rental car (which they based the arguido interviews on apparently) but it was then claimed to have been changed. Goncalo says that this report should exist and one day be found. This is not something that we are privy to in the files.

I agree that any comments from Goncalo Amaral have been known from the beginning, but not all of them are included in the files or shared in discussions.

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by **HiDeHo** 28.05.17 14:47

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Regarding the Vilamoura issue which is considered a mystery in the video... this was in SOL

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FROM FILES wrote:Processos Vol XIII

Pages 3998 – 3999

External Activity Report

Date: 08 – 11 – 2007

Place: Vilamoura

Responsible Officers: García do Santos, Rodrigo & Ricardo Paiva, Inspectors

Description and result of activity

On this date at 23.50 we went to the Pacífico Bar, located in the Vilamoura Marina in the Marina Lusa complex.

There we personally contacted the owner of the bar, Aurélio Mendes Guerreiro, in order to find out in what circumstances two phone calls were made from the fixed telephone at the bar nº 289301562 to the mobile nº 447903108397 belonging to Kate Healy on 4th May 2007 at 00.47 and at 01.02.

Aurélio Guerreiro explained that both phone calls were made by him as he had been asked by an English lady who at the time of the events was in England, called Pat Perkins, who had been a client of his some years ago and used to spend her holidays in Vilamoura, asking him to help a British couple who were on holiday in P da L and whose daughter had gone missing.

According to what he said, Pat Perkins lives in Liverpool and is a friend of Kate Healy’s mother and was in Kate’s mother’s house when she phoned him to ask for help for the McCann couple. As it was not possible for him to go to P da L personally, he contacted the mobile number Pat Perkins had given him, saying it was the couple’s number and spoke in English with a man, whose identity he does not know and whom he told of his willingness to help in anything that was necessary in relation to the disappearance of the little girl, whom he later knew to be Madeleine McCann.

He added that a few days later, on 7th May, the same Pat Perkins sent him an email containing a request for help to find Madeleine and containing an annex with a photo of Madeleine for public distribution.

Joined in annex are photos of the bar and a copy of the email.

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Witness Statement

Aurelio Mendes Guerreiro

Date: 2007-11-16

Location: Portimao DIC

Place of Work : Pacifico Bar, Vilamoura

He is the owner of the Pacifico Bar situated in the Vila Lusa building, rua Clube Nautico in Vilamoura, which has a land telephone line number ******. On the night of the events being investigated, the witness made two calls from the fixed line in the bar to the number ******** belonging to Kate McCann. These calls were made at a time he does not remember, but it was already night time, the first call was made at about 00.30 on 4th May 2007 and the second was made about 30 minutes later.

He clarifies that before making these calls he was contacted by an English customer and friend of his, called Pat Perkins who says that she was at the house of some friends in England, called Sue and Brian and that they had received the news that their grand daughter, who was staying in Lagos on holiday with her parents, had disappeared. Pat Perkins asked the witness to help the girl's parents as much as he could, giving him the number ******* to contact. The witness made a phone call to the PJ and another to the GNR to find out whether the authorities were aware of the disappearance and established that this was the case. On the other hand, after this he contacted the number he had been given by Pat Perkins to offer his help in any way he could be of use. He spoke twice to a male individual who spoke English. The first time that he rang he said that he was a friend of Pat Perkin's and then tried to find out if they had contacted the authorities and was told they had. He told the individual that he would find out whether the authorities were already making inquiries and get back in touch with him. He said that the individual did not really inform him about what had happened, in other words he did not tell him whether the girl had disappeared or been abducted or anything else.

The second time he phoned the number that Pat had given him he told the individual that the authorities were already involved in the situation and offered his help for whatever was necessary and making his telephone number available to the person he spoke to. When asked by the individual he said that he was in Vilamoura, about an hour away and the person told the witness that if he needed his help he would contact him later. After this the witness called Pat to tell her what he had found out and what he had done. He did not have any other contact with any other person related to the events and knows no more about the incident. He is totally unaware of the circumstances surrounding the disappearance apart from what he has heard from the news reports. But he adds that some days later, on 7th May, Pat sent him an email again asking him to help look for the girl and sending him a photograph of her. As said before, this was Pat Perkins who lives in Liverpool, England and who is a friend of Kate's mother and who was at Kate's mother's house when she phoned him to ask him to help the McCann couple.

No more is said.
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