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McCann's v Amaral Appeal

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Re: McCann's v Amaral Appeal

Post by aquila on Tue 31 Jan - 21:50

haroldd2 wrote:Well done Gonçalo, and well done the Portuguese judiciary. What a relief this vindication of an honest man must be.


Most of the British media are reporting the result with a pro-McCann slant. With, strangely enough, the exception of the Sun, which asks and then answers the question "(W)hat are the claims in Goncalo Amaral's book?", even if they answer with a single sentence:

"In the book, it is claimed that Maddie had died in their holiday flat and her parents faked her abduction to cover up the tragedy."

So it is not libellous to say about them that all their performance about leaving no stone unturned, for 10 years, has been a LIE, and that their soliciting of donations has been a FRAUD.

I hope someone who donated to the Fund in good faith sues it for the return of their money. That money could have been donated to efforts to find children who really have disappeared. Some parents have REALLY suffered what the McCanns have lyingly pretended to have suffered, persuading a large number of decent people to part with their money in the process. The court has confirmed that it is not libellous to say this now.
Whoa there, no court has said that...Do you really think someone who donated a bit of their pension or their pocket money would sue?
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Post by MayMuse on Tue 31 Jan - 21:57


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Post by aquila on Tue 31 Jan - 22:10


I haven't finished reading this blog but here is a snippet from the first paragraph

"On return from Portugal, after being made suspects, arguidos, they hired a PR spokesman, Clarence Mitchell."

Good grief, if you can't get the fact that Clarence Mitchell arrived well before arguido status then what the bloody hell are you saying with any (if any) accuracy on a blog?

I despair.
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Post by Get'emGonçalo on Tue 31 Jan - 22:10

Tony Bennett wrote:The smile that says: 'VICTORY'!

Dr Goncalo Amaral outside Lisbon court, today, 31 January 2017


Just to make a correction here, which has been brought to my attention by parapono.

This pic was not taken today outside the court today.
Gonçalo didn't even attend.
It was just a meeting between 3 judges reviewing paperwork.
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Post by jeanmonroe on Tue 31 Jan - 23:04

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-extremely-disappointed-9731185

"It is eight years since we brought the action and in that time the landscape has dramatically changed, namely there is now a joint Metropolitan Police-Policia Judiciaria investigation which is what we've always wanted ."
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really, REALLY?

Campeão das Províncias: (asking GA) "Do you think the reopening of the process is possible?"

Gonçalo Amaral: "I remind you that the McCanns “demanded” the archiving of the process, in 2008, when they were arguidos, merely to defend their image. They are not interested in the reopening of the process or of the investigation"
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Back in 'the day'

"TAXI for Kate"?

"frustrating", "fuming", "furious", "working together is the key" "distressing", "slowness", "paralysed", "sadness", "disbelief", "unease", "frustration", "unneccessary delays and barriers", "pain" "knocked back" "don't understand" "given no reason" "resistance to joint investigation" "dosen't make sense"

Mrs McCann said  "As a parent, I find the slowness of action in Portugal really hard to take. I find it quite distressing," she said.

ALL 'words' uttered by KM during the last 8 days.

HOWEVER, she 'conveniently' forgets to mention, to her 'supporters', ANY of the following, on her FB page:

25 February 2010
GA – "The child’s parents talk about pseudo leads, that are always related to the abduction theory. I remind you that they “demanded” the archiving of the process, in 2008, when they were arguidos, merely to defend their image. They are not interested in the reopening of the process or of the investigation, where all hypotheses remain open, from a voluntary disappearance up to homicide, like the Public Ministry mentions in the archiving dispatch. They are only interested in the defence of their image."

Saturday, 29 May 2010

Madeleine McCann's parents, Kate and Gerry, HAVE NEVER REQUESTED the re-opening of the investigation into their daughter's disappearance.

Neither the McCanns nor their lawyers have asked for the re-opening of the case, was confirmed by the office of the Chief Prosecutor of the Republic, putting an end to speculation.

Despite its being three years since the little British girl was reported missing, her parents have at NO TIME taken the necessary steps for the Portuguese authorities - those who hold jurisdiction - to carry on with the case


10 May 2011

"To ask for the process to be reopened, all it would take is a letter to the Prosecutor, as it has already happened in so many other cases. It costs them nothing, just the stamp on the letter."

(The case had been archived and they could have asked to have it kept open, but didn't!")

Kate McCann, mother of the missing child added:

"whether the case is re-opened, or NOT, it DOSEN'T matter"

Lisbon, 23rd September, 2009.

P317, bewk. 'madeleine'.

KM: "It may sound odd, but in some ways we were GLAD the investigation had been closed."

KM. 'Embarrassador' for 'Missing people' charidy!.

So, even 'now', they just can't stop 'lying'!

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Post by Mirage on Tue 31 Jan - 23:33

Today's statement on the Official Find Madeleine Campaign facebook page seems to have been whooshed. Along with around 76 comments!

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Post by lj on Tue 31 Jan - 23:44

Oh happy day!

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Post by saloongirl on Tue 31 Jan - 23:45

Excellent news!
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Post by haroldd2 on Wed 1 Feb - 0:20

aquila wrote:
haroldd2 wrote:Well done Gonçalo, and well done the Portuguese judiciary. What a relief this vindication of an honest man must be.


Most of the British media are reporting the result with a pro-McCann slant. With, strangely enough, the exception of the Sun, which asks and then answers the question "(W)hat are the claims in Goncalo Amaral's book?", even if they answer with a single sentence:

"In the book, it is claimed that Maddie had died in their holiday flat and her parents faked her abduction to cover up the tragedy."

So it is not libellous to say about them that all their performance about leaving no stone unturned, for 10 years, has been a LIE, and that their soliciting of donations has been a FRAUD.

I hope someone who donated to the Fund in good faith sues it for the return of their money. That money could have been donated to efforts to find children who really have disappeared. Some parents have REALLY suffered what the McCanns have lyingly pretended to have suffered, persuading a large number of decent people to part with their money in the process. The court has confirmed that it is not libellous to say this now.
Whoa there, no court has said that...Do you really think someone who donated a bit of their pension or their pocket money would sue?
Well the court has said it's not libellous to express the opinion that they faked the abduction. And if they faked the abduction, then they're lying when they say otherwise and they are committing fraud when they solicit donations on that basis.

Yes, I do think someone who has donated might sue. Why not? Power to their elbow if they do. Many believed the McCanns and sympathised with them for decent, human, wholly honourable reasons, and as their reputation falls I think some donors - thousands of donors - will get annoyed.



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Post by Verdi on Wed 1 Feb - 0:46

haroldd2 wrote:
So it is not libellous to say about them that all their performance about leaving no stone unturned, for 10 years, has been a LIE, and that their soliciting of donations has been a FRAUD.

The court has confirmed that it is not libellous to say this now.
I should be very interested to learn where you get this information from - were you in the court rooms?

From my understanding this particular stage of the court proceedings, or the former hearings as I recall, have never been about libel per se since their initial acrimony.  The issue here is Mr Amaral's right to express his opinion, the very fact that his opinion was in accord with the official Portuguese investigation made the McCanns position untenable.  In the absence of any solid claim against Mr Amaral in the first instance, the McCanns and their legal representation have been struggling to maintain the impetus of their malice against the case coordinator through the law courts.  Thus, their case has gradually evolved and at the same time weakened - ending in today's decision by the Supreme Court.

Beware of what you say.  Rejoice in the knowledge that today Goncalo Amaral has been vindicated and can now start to re-build his life - leave the rest to time.

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Post by jeanmonroe on Wed 1 Feb - 0:48

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Congratulations, Gonçalo! #madeleinemccann #maddiemccann

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Post by Verdi on Wed 1 Feb - 0:50

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:The smile that says: 'VICTORY'!

Dr Goncalo Amaral outside Lisbon court, today, 31 January 2017


Just to make a correction here, which has been brought to my attention by parapono.

This pic was not taken today outside the court today.
Gonçalo didn't even attend.
It was just a meeting between 3 judges reviewing paperwork.
Could have been photo-shopped smilie .

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Post by MayMuse on Wed 1 Feb - 1:35

Mirage wrote:Today's statement on the Official Find Madeleine Campaign facebook page seems  to have been whooshed. Along with around 76 comments!
So it is, it's the whooshing again ?

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Post by Grande Finale on Wed 1 Feb - 2:11

Justice for GA at last
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Post by Tony Bennett on Wed 1 Feb - 6:45

A search of Google News this morning brings up these news items listed on the first page - but there are many more. The coverage has been international:



Madeleine McCann's parents lose court appeal to silence cop who claims they covered up daughter's death

Mirror.co.uk - ‎13 hours ago‎
The McCanns have lost their appeal to Portugal's highest court over ex-police chief Goncalo Amaral's book claiming they covered up their daughter's death. Portuguese Supreme Court judges met this morning in Lisbon to resolve the couple's fight against ...


Maddie McCann's parents lose court appeal to silence cop who claims they covered up daughter's death

The Sun - ‎14 hours ago‎
It marks a major milestone in Gerry and Kate McCann's eight-year fight over a book written by Amaral, who led the initial hunt when then-three-year-old Madeleine vanished from their Algarve holiday apartment in May 2007. Amaral was ordered to pay Kate ...


Madeleine McCann's parents could be sued by police chief who falsely accused them of covering up death

Telegraph.co.uk - ‎11 hours ago‎
The McCanns yesterday lost an appeal in Portugal's highest court over damaging allegations in a book on the case by Goncalo Amaral, who initially led the investigation into Madeleine's disappaearance ten years ago. The couple initially successfully ...


Maddie McCann's parents face huge legal bill after losing bid to silence cop who claims they covered up her death

The Sun - ‎12 hours ago‎
Amaral was ordered to pay Kate and Gerry £430,000 plus interest in damages after losing round one of their libel battle in April 2015 over his hurtful book 'The Truth of the Lie.' Appeal judges reversed the initial ruling by a court in Lisbon in April ...


Parents of Madeleine McCann lose libel case

ITV News - ‎13 hours ago‎
Her parents, who live in Leicestershire, went to court in Portugal after former police officer Goncalo Amaral wrote in a book that he believed they had had something to do with the disappearance ten years ago. They won and courts said the officer ...


Madeleine McCann search blow as parents lose bid to silence bombshell book

Daily Star - ‎9 hours ago‎
“The same would probably be true if the McCanns lost the case.” Amaral is understood to have earned €400,000 (£344,000) from his book before it and a subsequent TV documentary was banned. The book was released just three days after Gerry and Kate ...


What are the latest developments in Madeleine McCann case and what are the claims in Goncalo Amaral's book?

The Sun - ‎13 hours ago‎
THE parents of Madeleine McCann have lost their latest court appeal to silence a former cop who claims they covered up their daughter's death. Gerry and Kate McCann have spent eight years trying to silence Goncalo Amaral who led the hunt to find the ...


Madeleine McCann's heartbroken parents lose court bid to silence former policeman who claimed they were involved ...

Scottish Daily Record - ‎13 hours ago‎
Madeleine McCann's parents have lost their court bid to silence a former policeman who claimed they covered up their daughter's death. Judges had ordered Goncalo Amaral to pay the couple £430,000 in damages in April 2015 – but the ruling was ...


Maddie McCann parents lose libel case against Portuguese policeman Goncalo Amaral

International Business Times UK - ‎9 hours ago‎
The parents of missing Madeleine McCann have lost a legal battle against a Portuguese former policeman who claimed in a book that they were involved in their daughter's disappearance on the Algarve in 2007. Portugal's Supreme Court ruled that the book ...

Madeleine McCann's parents lose court appeal against officer who wrote book about disappearance

Leicester Mercury - ‎10 hours ago‎
Last April Mr Amaral, who had claimed Mr and Mrs McCann were involved in their daughter's disappearance, won an appeal against his libel conviction. After that, lawyers for the McCanns took the case to Portugal's top court. In 2015, Mr Amaral was ...


Madeleine McCann's parents lose libel case appeal in Portugal

The Guardian - ‎6 hours ago‎
The parents of Madeleine McCann said they were disappointed after Portugal's highest court threw out their libel case against a former detective who implicated them in their daughter's disappearance. Goncalo Amaral was ordered to pay €500,000 ...


Madeleine McCann's parents 'lose Portuguese court libel appeal'

Liverpool Echo - ‎13 hours ago‎
An appeals court last year overturned that decision but lawyers for the McCanns turned to Portugal's top court. Madeleine disappeared from a holiday home in Portugal's Algarve region in May 2007, days before her 4th birthday. Mr Amaral had argued in ...


Who is Goncalo Amaral? Ex-Madeleine McCann cop whose book claims Gerry and Kate faked her abduction

The Sun - ‎12 hours ago‎
The McCanns claimed the book was hurtful and launched a libel battle against Amaral in April 2015. Amaral was ordered to pay Kate and Gerry £430,000 plus interest in damages after losing round one. However this decision was reversed by appeal judges ...


Madeleine McCann's parents set to appeal libel case that could 'leave them penniless'

Mirror.co.uk - ‎10 hours ago‎
Kate and Gerry McCann will launch an appeal after losing a libel court case appeal against the cop who led the bungled hunt for their daughter. Ex-police chief Goncalo Amaral is set to sue the couple for hundreds of thousands of pounds after winning ...


EU-Portugal-Missing-Girl

Yahoo News - ‎14 hours ago‎
FILE - In this July 24, 2008 file photo, former detective Goncalo Amaral poses with his book whose title translates as "The Truth in the Lies", during its launch in Lisbon. Portugal's Supreme Court has ruled that missing British girl Madeleine McCann's ...


Parents of Madeline McCann lose legal challenge

Newstalk 106-108 fm - ‎13 hours ago‎
Portugal's Supreme Court has ruled that Kate and Gerry McCann cannot sue former Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral for libel. Last April Mr Amaral, who had claimed that Mr and Mrs McCann were involved in their daughter's disappearance, won an ...


Madeleine McCann parents lose appeal against author who alleged they were involved in her disappearance

The Independent - ‎14 hours ago‎
Portugal's Supreme Court ruled Kate and Gerry McCann cannot sue the former Portuguese detective who published the book for libel. In 2015, a Lisbon court ordered Goncalo Amaral to pay Kate and Gerry McCann €500,000 (£429,000) in compensation for ...


Madeleine McCann's Parents Lose Case Against Police Officer Who Said They Were Involved In Disappearance

Huffington Post UK - ‎5 hours ago‎
Madeleine McCann's parents have lost an appeal in their libel case against the police officer who accused them of being involved in their daughter's disappearance. Portugal's Supreme Court ruled that Kate and Gerry McCann cannot sue detective Goncalo ...


Madeleine McCann's parents lose case over book which said they were involved

Metro - ‎11 hours ago‎
A Lisbon court in 2015 ordered Goncalo Amaral to pay Kate and Gerry McCann 500,000 euro (£429,000) in compensation. The McCanns had sought 1.2 million euro (£1 million). Undated handout photo of missing girl Madeleine McCann whose parents, Kate ...


Madeleine McCann's parents lose appeal against author who alleged they were involved in her disappearance

Irish Independent - ‎8 hours ago‎
In 2015, a Lisbon court ordered Goncalo Amaral to pay Kate and Gerry McCann €500,000 in compensation for the allegations made in his book, Maddie: The Truth of the Lie. The book was published in 2008, three days after Portuguese authorities formally ...

Madeleine McCann's parents lose in court, may face financial ruin

New Zealand Herald - ‎7 hours ago‎
Judges ruled Amaral's "exercise of his freedom of expression was not considered abusive" and "was within admissible limits in a democratic and open society, which excludes the illegality of possible damage to the honour of the McCanns." ...


Madeleine McCann's Parents Lose Libel Appeal

RecorderDaily - ‎12 hours ago‎
The parents of Madeleine McCann have lost their libel appeal over ex – police chief Goncalo Amaral's book which claimed they covered up their daughter's death. The judgement came from Portugal's highest court. The hearing took place in private at ...


Madeleine McCann's Parents Lose Libel Appeal in Portugal's Supreme Court

Latin American Herald Tribune - ‎4 hours ago‎
LISBON – Portugal's Supreme Court rejected on Tuesday an appeal lodged by the parents of missing British girl Madeleine McCann, a decision that puts an end to their attempt to sue for libel a former Portuguese police inspector who said in a book that ...


McCanns lose case against detective who blamed them

Morochos.net - ‎3 hours ago‎
Goncalo Amaral, who led the investigation into the three-year-old's disappearance in the Algarve in May 2007, had initially been ordered to pay Gerry and Kate McCann €500,000 (£395,000) in compensation, but an appeal court overturned the decision ...


Madeleine McCann's parents lose legal appeal on libel case

Stuff.co.nz - ‎10 hours ago‎
Portugal's Supreme Court has ruled that missing British girl Madeleine McCann's parents can't sue for libel against a former Portuguese detective who published a book alleging they were involved in their daughter's disappearance. A court official said ...

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Post by F@6it on Wed 1 Feb - 7:17

Brilliant news about Amaral. Onwards and upwards!
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Post by nglfi on Wed 1 Feb - 7:24

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4178558/Kate-McCann-hopes-win-Britain-s-Got-Talent.html

Of all the ways in which I could have guessed the Mccanns would try to defect away from Amaral's victory, I confess I never would have guessed this!

Such desperation to promote an innocent image, she's hiding herself behind genuine parents in a bid to melt in among the crowd. I really hope nothing comes of this. I'm surprised that the BBC still hasn't covered the story, but anyway warmest congratulations Sr Amaral

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Post by nglfi on Wed 1 Feb - 7:25

That should be deflect away

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Post by Tony Bennett on Wed 1 Feb - 10:00

I have looked and looked, and searched again and again, but the main BBC News website appears to have carried NOTHING about Amaral's historic victory in the Portuguese Supreme Court. 

Not only do we have fake news on the mainstream media news but there is also important news we are not told about, in oher words, we get selective news.

There was a tiny mention of the result on BBC Radio 4's news bulletins this morning.

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Post by Portia on Wed 1 Feb - 10:03

Hello Mr. Bennett; the Independent has it: Amaral wins appeal
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Post by sallypelt on Wed 1 Feb - 10:41

Tony Bennett wrote:I have looked and looked, and searched again and again, but the main BBC News website appears to have carried NOTHING about Amaral's historic victory in the Portuguese Supreme Court. 

Not only do we have fake news on the mainstream media news but there is also important news we are not told about, in oher words, we get selective news.

There was a tiny mention of the result on BBC Radio 4's news bulletins this morning.
It’s always been the same with the BBC. It’s not so much about what the BBC says; it’s about what it DOESN’T say. You can guarantee, if it had been about Sharon Matthews, it would be shoved in our faces every minute of the day.  Moreover, at the moment, the BBC is tearing Donald Trump to pieces, and showing all the protests that are apparently going on throughout the UK. Strange how the LEFT gets so much exposure, isn’t it?

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Post by BlueBag on Wed 1 Feb - 10:44

The BBC is the globalist mouthpiece in the UK.
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Post by nglfi on Wed 1 Feb - 11:13

Is it at all possible that they can take this to the ECHR? I truly hope this is the end of it. From what I've read it seems like you can't apply to the European Court to overturn a decision already made by a member state, unless that decision didn't abide by EU law. But I might have misunderstood that. Regardless, I hope Brexit will make the European Court very very unsympathetic to them, being over litigious Brits!

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Post by Tom Moore on Wed 1 Feb - 11:31

The European Court of Human Rights is part of the Council of Europe, a distinct body from the European Union.

The ECtHR entertains claims that rights enshrined by the European Convention on Human Rights have been breached: things like the right to life, right to a fair hearing, freedom of expression, that sort of thing.

Of note for such a claim must be Article 17, which provides that no one may use the rights guaranteed by the Convention to seek the abolition or limitation of rights guaranteed in the Convention, an allegation Gonçalo Amaral will surely consider against Kate and Bro. Gerry McCann?
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Post by puzzled on Wed 1 Feb - 11:47

Tony Bennett wrote:I have looked and looked, and searched again and again, but the main BBC News website appears to have carried NOTHING about Amaral's historic victory in the Portuguese Supreme Court. 

I noticed that the story was the main news item on Yahoo news for a while last night. I also noticed that most of the comments were very critical of the McCanns, but they were getting deleted almost as soon as they appeared. Fascinating. I've never seen that before. I've seen really nasty, even potentially libellous comments about all kinds of public figures and they've been allowed to stay for hours - but if you criticise the McCanns, it's removed straight away.

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