Re: 'QUOTE OF THE DAY'

by worriedmum 02.02.17 18:09

davek16 wrote:shame

Davek, I see you are a recent member. It would be a very small amd ultimately pointless forum if it was just a bunch of people saying 'Yes,that's my deep-rooted fantasy too..'

If you spent some time actually reading the police files, watching interviews, reading Petermac's book and Peter Hyatt's Statement Analysis, Richard D Hall and HiDeHo's videos, you might realise that the majority of posters here are seeking justice for a little girl, and their conclusions are based on facts. Is that why you are here?

by Guest 02.02.17 20:32

davek16 wrote:Is it just me or do many people on here just simply 'want' it to be the McCanns who perpetrated Madeleine's disappearance in order to feed some deep rooted fantasy of their own or what?

Fear not - yes, it is just you.

I don't know how knowledgeable you are about this case but if you take the time to read the extensive input on this forum alone, you will begin to understand why so many people are sceptical.

If you are already familiar with the detail directly and indirectly associated with this case then feel free to express your rationale rather than introducing yourself with baseless comments about the forums general direction. Whatever your stance, I for one would be delighted to engage in an exchange of opinions with you - providing you do actually have a valid opinion.

thumbsup

by **sandancer** 02.02.17 20:43

Shame - yes pet

Shame a little girl never got to see her fourth birthday .

Shame those who should have cared for her most failed her .

Shame they turned her disappearance into a money making media circus

Shame. They never bothered to search for her

Shame. The detective in charge , taken off the case and vilified along with his colleagues

Shame That same detective lost everything but remains with more dignity in his little finger than the parents have in their whole bodies.

Shame Her brother and sister have to live with this hanging over their lives .

by empath 02.02.17 20:55

MayMuse wrote:These words,

Here was the person who had been entrusted with finding our little girl and who had failed her – not simply by being unable to find her when he was in charge, but by then speaking out in a way that in effect hindered other people, ourselves included, from finding her.

Fail me!

How KM could,say this is beyond rationalisation IMO

Not sure if anyones been in a relationship with a narcissist but this is a typical sign

Here was the person who had been entrusted with finding our little girl and who had failed her HERE'S US 2 WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING AFTER OUR LITTLE GIRL AND WE FAILED HER.

not simply by being unable to find her when he was in charge, but by then speaking out in a way that in effect hindered other people NOT SIMPLY BY BEING ABLE TO CATER FOR HER BASIC NEEDS AS HER PARENTS, BUT WE ALSO REFUSED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT COULD HAVE HELPED FIND OUR MISSING DAUGHTER

ourselves included, from finding her. THE POLICE MAINLY FROM FINDING HER.

This is typical of a narcissists behaviour, they blame others for their wrongs, they will not acknowledge the majority of people will say they were in the wrong they prefer to point fingers and reverse blame, they also become very nasty and vindictive when questioned.

by JohnyT 02.02.17 21:03

I'm sure the McCanns would have done themselves a big favour if they would have admitted that they were partly to blame for MBM being abducted (if she was of course). Instead all they did was antagonise people with their reactions.
Of course the differences in statements and time scales haven't helped them either. Neither has 'going' for the man who was trying to help and do his job.
Would you like me to go on...........?
JohnyT

by empath 02.02.17 21:18

In all honesty, I think they will be back on the prowl to find people to sue again, the papers will be very areful what they print now, I dont have any money, if I did I wouldnt dare comment

by empath 02.02.17 22:34

Shame those who should have cared for her most failed her . Still unproven Wheres Maddie ?

by worriedmum 02.02.17 22:39

''Shame. They never bothered to search for her Wrong''

Watch this , Davek and Kate will tell you herself..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCVSjIJk8

by **sandancer** 02.02.17 22:50

I see the post from davek containing my profile has gone . Thank you !

Shame. lol!

I was just about to ask him to provide his evidence of an abduction smilie

by **Jill Havern** 02.02.17 22:57

sandancer wrote:I see the post from davek containing my profile has gone . Thank you !

Shame. I was just about to ask him to provide his evidence of an abduction

He's been booted out!

'QUOTE OF THE DAY' - Page 3 9k=

by worriedmum 02.02.17 23:11

oh shame!

by Guest 02.02.17 23:12

Linda McQueen

During 2007 I travelled to Portugal on 3 separate occasions: from 12 - 19 May; 26 - 29 June; and 19 - 26 August.

During the first week that I was in Portugal [12-19 May] Kate and Gerry were transported [driven] by representatives of Mark Warner.

Sandy Cameron was also there and possessed a hire car, but it was not the Renault Scenic that Gerry and Kate rented during the third week that I stayed with them in Portugal.

In the second week that I was there, I travelled [to Portugal] with Nicky Gill. We stayed with the Trish and Sandy in the apartment close to Kate and Gerry. On this occasion Gerry drove a hire car but I do not remember if it was the previous car of Sandy or the Renault scenic.
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This was snipped from Linda McQueen's witness statement by rogatory, taken on 7th May 2008. She was named by the McCanns as a person to be interviewed by rogatory Group 5..

Group 5 (persons closely involved in the routine of Kate and Gerry in Portugal after the disappearance of Madeleine and their emotional state)

Sandy Cameron
Michael Wright
Clarence Mitchell
Linda McQueen
Nicky Gill
Justine McGuiness

Linda McQueen is a life long friend of Kate McCann.

by **sandancer** 02.02.17 23:14

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
sandancer wrote:I see the post from davek containing my profile has gone . Thank you !

Shame. I was just about to ask him to provide his evidence of an abduction
He's been booted out!

Didn't last long did he !
You must have worn out a few pairs of boots !!

by spacestar 03.02.17 0:07

Kate McCann, days after Madeleine's disappearance outside the church in praia da Luz: "Keep praying for Madeleine, she's lovely".

I honestly can't say why, but I always found that statement to sound rather odd..

by Cmaryholmes 03.02.17 6:49

spacestar wrote:Kate McCann, days after Madeleine's disappearance outside the church in praia da Luz: "Keep praying for Madeleine, she's lovely".

I honestly can't say why, but I always found that statement to sound rather odd..

That is the only occasion I have seen where Kate seems genuinely distraught. My theory is, that as Catholics, knowing that Madeleine is dead, they believe she is in Purgatory. The only release , according to the doctrine, is by prayer. Whether the church still tells its members that large amounts of money have to be paid to allow their dead loved ones into heaven, I don't know.

by spacestar 03.02.17 7:44

Cmaryholmes wrote:
spacestar wrote:Kate McCann, days after Madeleine's disappearance outside the church in praia da Luz: "Keep praying for Madeleine, she's lovely".

I honestly can't say why, but I always found that statement to sound rather odd..
That is the only occasion I have seen where Kate seems genuinely distraught. My theory is, that as Catholics, knowing that Madeleine is dead, they believe she is in Purgatory. The only release , according to the doctrine, is by prayer. Whether the church still tells its members that large amounts of money have to be paid to allow their dead loved ones into heaven, I don't know.

No, as a Catholic myself (although somewhat lapsed), I can tell you that we do not believe young children go to purgatory, they go straight to heaven as ready made angels. Especially those of an age who would not have made their first confession and communion, as they are considered to be ignorant of evil and therefore pure in heart and spirit.

The part I found odd was her saying "she's lovely", which just sounded awkward and completely out of character with the woman we had been listening to up to then, who seemed not to have much praise at all for her missing daughter. I may be just a bit hyper critical here, but as soon as I read the topic title that quote came into my head.

by **Tony Bennett** 03.02.17 8:19

Cmaryholmes wrote:
spacestar wrote:That is the only occasion I have seen where Kate seems genuinely distraught. My theory is that, as Catholics, knowing that Madeleine is dead, they believe she is in Purgatory. The only release, according to the doctrine, is by prayer. Whether the church still tells its members that large amounts of money have to be paid to allow their dead loved ones into heaven, I don't know.

Yes, the Roman Catholic Church very much still does believe in a place called ‘purgatory’. See here and in numerous other places:

http://catholicstraightanswers.com/do-we-still-believe-in-purgatory/

Further, the Roman Catholic Church has always taught that if people pay money to its priests, the priests will pray for their loved ones to have ‘time off’ in purgatory. That is why the Papacy is so rich! And they still ask for money to pray for time off purgatory in Fenruary 2017 - I have seen the 'Indulgence Boxes' in today's Roman Catholic Churches.

It was the gross abuse of this practice that led Martin Luther in 1517, exactly 500 years ago, to nail up his ’95 theses’ against the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church, thus ushering in what we now refer to as the Reformation.

The Bible most certainly teaches life after death. In a reminder of what may have happened to Madeleine McCann, one of Christ’s many miracles was the raising of Lazarus from the dead after he had been dead four days and – despite his family and friends having pointed out to Christ that his body ‘stank’ (John 11 vv 1-57). This was the event that finally led the Jewish leaders of the day to plot His arrest and trial in a charge of ‘blasphemy’.

And Christ Himself was raised back to life on the third day, being crucified after a blameless life in which he healed the sick, cast out devils, and performed many miracles in the presence of many witnesses:

“Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country…Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature” (Mark 16 vv 9-15).

The Bible nowhere speaks of a place called ‘purgatory’.

Instead, the writer of Hebrews states:

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment”. (Hebrews 9 v 3).

On the subject of that Day of Judgment, Christ said: “Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops". (Luke 12 v 3)

And in the book of Romans, Paul wrote: “But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ” (Romans 14 v 10).
There is no need to pay any money to be assured of salvation. Christ offers this freely to those who frankly admit they are sinners, and seek His help.

"Seek, and you will find..."

by Cmaryholmes 03.02.17 8:52

Yes, Purgatory is unscriptural , borrowed and developed from Greek philosophy. In this context , however, s mother asking all to pray for her 'lost' child would not be surprising.

by jeanmonroe 03.02.17 12:57

davek16 wrote:Is it just me or do many people on here just simply 'want' it to be the McCanns who perpetrated Madeleine's disappearance in order to feed some deep rooted fantasy of their own or what? Unless you found yourself in the McCann's position on April 3 2007, it would be difficult to predict how anyone would react and how those reactions might be perceived by others far removed from their situation. Much better, surely, to keep an open, non- judgemental approach. After all, mere speculation probably won't bring us any closer to finding out what really happened. And finally, there are abduction/murder/foul play cases that remain unsolved after several decades, so probably best to 'let it lie' until such time as Madeleine miraculously re-appears as a traumatised teenage hostage victim or a new lead is uncovered that leads to the identity and confession of the actual perpetrator. IMO it's more likely RIP Maddie and we never find out the truth.

Well, exactly, what was the McCan'ts 'position' on 3rd (THIRD) of APRIL 2007 as you 'note'...'davek 16'?

You 'tell' us!

Much better, surely, to READ the case 'files'!

by Guest 03.02.17 20:56

Clarence Mitchell..

"....the family would like to appeal to the media to stop taking photographs of, or filming, the McCanns' younger children, two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie...."

'QUOTE OF THE DAY' - Page 3 Kate+and+Gerry+at+the+zoo

'QUOTE OF THE DAY' - Page 3 Kate+and+Gerry+at+the+zoo

....say cheeeeze....

by jeanmonroe 04.02.17 1:25

"The McCanns have been left “bitterly disappointed” after losing on Tuesday an eight-year libel battle against Goncalo Amaral, an ex detective they had tried to silence but who defeated them."
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thx for the above 'quote' Tracy K!

'they had tried to silence' but 'who defeated them'

Tracy K.....the 'hack' that just keeps.... 'giving'!

by Guest 04.02.17 15:03

4th December 2007

Dear Mr Rebelo,

I hope you do not mind me writing to you and that you will read my letter. I am Madeleine McCann's mother.

I am not sure if you are a parent or not, but for my husband and myself, and the whole of our family, the last seven months has been the most difficult, sad and unbearable time that any parent could possibly imagine. Madeleine is the most precious thing in our life.

As her mother, the pain and anxiety I feel for her is indescribable and the feeling of helplessness overwhelming. The 'accusations' and media smearing, although upsetting, are very much secondary.

I am appealing to you as a fellow human being to work with us (if possible include us) and to remember that we are Madeleine's parents and have needs.
With regard to this latter point, I would be grateful if you were able to keep us informed to some degree as to how the investigation is going - what work is being done to help find our daughter etc.

I'm sure you will agree that this request is not unreasonable and is in fact humane.

I am fairly familiar now with the workings of 'judicial secrecy' but even if we could have a little bit of information in the broadest of terms it would help.
Lack of communication and a void of information, particularly as the parent of a missing child, is torture. We will continue to work with the PJ (and are keen to do so as soon as possible!) as we have done since that moment when I discovered that Madeleine had been taken.

This shouldn't be about 'finger-pointing blame', nor should it be about differences in culture. It should be about a beautiful, innocent little girl who is still missing. She is the victim in all of this.

It would be good for Madeleine if we could all work together to help find her and the person(s) who took her.

I would be very grateful if you could give some thought and consideration to my letter and look forward to your reply. I can only ask.

Yours sincerely,

Kate McCann.

Such blatent audacity - shame on you Dr Healy/McCann. So how does this fit in with their litigation against Mr Amaral? The Portuguese authorities should have presented this open letter to the Lisbon court, before the trial commenced, it could have halted the whole futile process there and then!

by Guest 04.02.17 15:10

Kate McCann..

"A witness claimed to have seen Gerry and me carrying a big black bag and acting suspiciously. This was absolute nonsense, but 'evidence' of this kind came down to one person's word against another. And it appeared that, as far as the PJ were concerned, our word counted for little...."

by Guest 05.02.17 20:15

Jane Tanner, during her rotatory interview in April 2008, replies when questioned about her telephone records..

“Yeah this is the one I think it would be, this is erm, this is Charlotte, my friend in Exeter who was actually out in Portugal with us when we were there, but I think I rang her, she went home on the Saturday and she hadn’t taken her mobile out with her, cos I’d (inaudible) texted her, that day we were supposed to go, it was her husband’s birthday, I must have, I’ve still got the text on here that she, we were supposed to go to their apartment for a barbecue at lunch time, so I text her in the morning and said, (inaudible) text (inaudible), there you go, I text her in the morning and said that, so you see what time that is and but she didn’t answer so, cos she hadn’t got her mobile phone”.

by **Nina** 06.02.17 0:24

Verdi wrote:Jane Tanner, during her rotatory interview in April 2008, replies when questioned about her telephone records..

“Yeah this is the one I think it would be, this is erm, this is Charlotte, my friend in Exeter who was actually out in Portugal with us when we were there, but I think I rang her, she went home on the Saturday and she hadn’t taken her mobile out with her, cos I’d (inaudible) texted her, that day we were supposed to go, it was her husband’s birthday, I must have, I’ve still got the text on here that she, we were supposed to go to their apartment for a barbecue at lunch time, so I text her in the morning and said, (inaudible) text (inaudible), there you go, I text her in the morning and said that, so you see what time that is and but she didn’t answer so, cos she hadn’t got her mobile phone”.

So at least two other people 'who were actually out in Portugal with us when we were there' Did they lunch with,play tennis with, have fun nights in the tapas bar with these two. They went home on the Saturday.

by Guest 07.02.17 11:40

Gerry McCann

One of the ideas is maybe getting all the people who have publicly supported us to come together. I don’t just mean from the UK but from different parts of the world. We want a big event to raise awareness that she is still missing.

We would look at high-profile people who have already pledged support. It will be some sort of focus around an anniversary, to tell people thatMadeleine ’s still missing. I think it would be later this year, once media attention has dropped, to bring it back up, hopefully, for a short period.

It wouldn’t be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that. What we’re doing at the minute has its role but doing that down the line in a few months won’t have anything like the same impact. We might have a sporting event, something arts, something music.

We’ve had backing from sporting people up to now. We have had backing from certain musical celebrities as well. We’ve got some other musical contacts that we are exploring, who are happy to offer support.

We’re not saying it would necessarily be one big concert, it might be that on a certain day they are playing her DVD.

What we want at the current time is maximum message out there now, about her disappearance but then just events to bring it back up occasionally just to remind people, if she’s not found.

[Sunday Express - 3rd June 2007]

by JRP 07.02.17 12:59

Verdi wrote:Gerry McCann

One of the ideas is maybe getting all the people who have publicly supported us to come together. I don’t just mean from the UK but from different parts of the world. We want a big event to raise awareness that she is still missing.

We would look at high-profile people who have already pledged support. It will be some sort of focus around an anniversary, to tell people thatMadeleine ’s still missing. I think it would be later this year, once media attention has dropped, to bring it back up, hopefully, for a short period.

It wouldn’t be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that. What we’re doing at the minute has its role but doing that down the line in a few months won’t have anything like the same impact. We might have a sporting event, something arts, something music.

We’ve had backing from sporting people up to now. We have had backing from certain musical celebrities as well. We’ve got some other musical contacts that we are exploring, who are happy to offer support.

We’re not saying it would necessarily be one big concert, it might be that on a certain day they are playing her DVD.

What we want at the current time is maximum message out there now, about her disappearance but then just events to bring it back up occasionally just to remind people, if she’s not found.

[Sunday Express - 3rd June 2007]

This quote says it all. They weren't expecting Madeleine to be found.

by Guest 07.02.17 13:07

JRP wrote:This quote says it all. They weren't expecting Madeleine to be found.

I always get the feeling they are deliberately taunting. They must think they are so well protected that nothing can touch them - they're certainly cocksure of the 'no evidence' - the rest is just gloss.

'Find the body and prove we killed her'. I must check out the source of that comment - if genuine it deserves a place all of it's own in quote of the day.

by Guest 07.02.17 13:31

Yes... that quote of Gerry's says they know she won't turn up any time soon.

As does Clarence Mitchell's decision to give up a big job for the Government.

by **Jill Havern** 07.02.17 13:39

BlueBag wrote:Yes... that quote of Gerry's says they know she won't turn up any time soon.

As does Clarence Mitchell's decision to give up a big job for the Government.

As does John McCann's decision to give up his job to concentrate on the ~~Fund~~ search, despite having a mortgage and family.