'QUOTE OF THE DAY'

David Payne..

"The three children were all you know dressed you know in their pyjamas, you know they looked immaculate, you know they were just like angels, they all looked so happy and well looked after and content and I said to Kate, you know it's a bit early for the you know, for the three of them to be going to bed, she said ah they've had such a great time, they're really tired and you know err so I say, you know I can't remember exactly what, what you know the night attire, what the children were wearing but white was the predominant err colour, but you know just to reinforce they were just so happy, you know seeing you know obviously Gerry wasn't there but they were just all, just so at peace and you know they looked like a family who'd had such a fantastic time and err yeah then I left there...."



"Mm, err Madeleine's err a very striking err beautiful child, I'd almost if I want a better phrase call her doll-like, you know she was very, you know I think, you know very unique looking child err, she'd got very pretty, you know blonde hair err in a bob, she was quite a petite err child and you know she was very bubbly, very err you know she was a very good child to, to interact with. She was very bright, you could have a lot of fun with Madeleine err ...."

I err you know just noticed err this you know bit in you know David Payne err you know statement  err

" They were all just so at peace " 

Err you know isen't " at peace " you know usually used you know when someone has err you know passed away ? 

Sorry err just my you know  take on err that  err you know !!

sandancer wrote:I err you know just noticed err this you know bit in you know David Payne err you know statement  err

" They were all just so at peace " 

Err you know isen't " at peace " you know usually used you know when someone has err you know passed away ? 

Sorry err just my you know  take on err that  err you know !!

  You're good at it!

".... just like angels"

"...white was the predominant colour"

Madeleine McCann's pyjamas (after being washed ?) as publicized by Gerry and Kate McCann..



Quite how they were in Kate McCann's possession when Madeleine was said to wearing them when abducted, is a matter for conjecture.  Unless of course she washed them prior to the abduction, maybe a mysterious tea stain or something like that, and thought it wise to take a photograph - you know, just in case.

Get'emGonçalo wrote:This should be another productive thread to compliment 'Rogue of the Day' and 'Video of the Day'!

Kicking off with one I've just posted on 'PeterMac's Chapter 7' topic from Rachel Oldfield on her caring approach to checking her sick child:

Rachel Oldfield: "So basically we’d go and have dinner and then we’d sort of run back you know every fifteen twenty minutes and have a listen at the door and make sure nobody’s screaming their head off. Erm well we’d go into the room, which ordinarily we wouldn’t do to be honest, erm but she seemed to have diarrhoea and kind of, I mean she’d settled quite well actually cos she’d been tired every evening, erm but every morning when she woke up, she had diarrhoea and it had gone right through her grow bag and so there’s all of this sort of horrendous smell, so in the evenings when we were checking, we’d go into the room just to see if you know, there was any sort of smell yet, erm and just to make sure she was alright, to make sure she hadn’t been sick, partly I think cos Matt had been sick, just wanted to make sure that she hadn’t been, in case it was some sort of bug. I didn’t really like going up there by myself, it was, like going through that car park was quite dark and there was never anyone around, it was a bit, you know made me feel a bit uneasy.”

(grow bag?)

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2009/08/quote-of-day-from-doctor-matthew.html

If I'd have told this to my GP he'd be calling the Social Services on me! If this is true I find it totally unacceptable!
JohnyT

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Fiona Payne: "Erm, erm, I’m thirty, I’ll work that out actually, I’m thirty-five years old. I work as an Anaesthetist at Leicester and Leicester Registrar. I’m married to David Payne."

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic40.html



Let's hope she doesn't have to erm, erm, work it out when erm, you know, sedating people!

Seriously??? Would you get your OWN age wrong by FIVE years??!!
johnyT

JohnyT wrote:

Seriously??? Would you get your OWN age wrong by FIVE years??

Most definitely, I do it all the time - or was it ten years?

Verdi wrote:

sandancer wrote:I err you know just noticed err this you know bit in you know David Payne err you know statement  err

" They were all just so at peace " 

Err you know isen't " at peace " you know usually used you know when someone has err you know passed away ? 

Sorry err just my you know  take on err that  err you know !!

  You're good at it!

".... just like angels"

"...white was the predominant colour"

Madeleine McCann's pyjamas (after being washed ?) as publicized by Gerry and Kate McCann..



Quite how they were in Kate McCann's possession when Madeleine was said to wearing them when abducted, is a matter for conjecture.  Unless of course she washed them prior to the abduction, maybe a mysterious tea stain or something like that, and thought it wise to take a photograph - you know, just in case.

Gee thanks Verdi . I think. !? !   Took me ages to type it ! 

At peace like angels , dressed in white , if ever I heard a concoted statement this is it !  I would hate to be a patient of someone so inarticulate , by the time I got a diagnosis I'd be in my coffin !

White pyjamas , pink pyjamas , washed pyjamas Maddies jammmies , Amelie's jammmies . Mysterious stain , tea OR something else ? 
Better take a photo for " evidence " " you know , just in case " 

sandancer wrote:

Verdi wrote:

sandancer wrote:I err you know just noticed err this you know bit in you know David Payne err you know statement  err

" They were all just so at peace " 

Err you know isen't " at peace " you know usually used you know when someone has err you know passed away ? 

Sorry err just my you know  take on err that  err you know !!

  You're good at it!

".... just like angels"

"...white was the predominant colour"

Madeleine McCann's pyjamas (after being washed ?) as publicized by Gerry and Kate McCann..



Quite how they were in Kate McCann's possession when Madeleine was said to wearing them when abducted, is a matter for conjecture.  Unless of course she washed them prior to the abduction, maybe a mysterious tea stain or something like that, and thought it wise to take a photograph - you know, just in case.

Gee thanks Verdi . I think. !? !   Took me ages to type it ! 

At peace like angels , dressed in white , if ever I heard a concoted statement this is it !  I would hate to be a patient of someone so inarticulate , by the time I got a diagnosis I'd be in my coffin !

White pyjamas , pink pyjamas , washed pyjamas Maddies jammmies , Amelie's jammmies . Mysterious stain , tea OR something else ? 
Better take a photo for " evidence " " you know , just in case " 

  

Frankly I don't believe a single word.  For a start, why would a man ask another man to check on his wife?  Or if you prefer to take on board another version - why would a mother take her children to a playground or tennis court after they've been bathed?

Good grief, do they think the police are inadequate?  The answer to that is a resounding NO !!!  If it was a resounding YES they wouldn't be trying to stifle Goncalo Amaral would they..

Martin Brunt: "When most of us initially heard what had happened we all thought "chavvy family from some estate in Essex who weren't looking after their children properly" but the fact that these were two middle-aged, middle-income or, even high-income professionals, doctors, it did rather take on a different hue."

They clearly thought " Why would the Portuguese Police question a group of highly qualified , well educated British Doctors for gods sake ?" 

After all they are a bunch of bungling sardine munchers aren't they ! They've got to believe everything we say no matter how " ludicrous ". 

They didn't reckon with the highly intelligent , well educated Goncalo Amaral , a gentleman who will NOT be stifled and will continue to fight for Justice and Truth for Madeleine .

I think this will haunt all of them forever .My thoughts are with their children .

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Martin Brunt: "When most of us initially heard what had happened we all thought "chavvy family from some estate in Essex who weren't looking after their children properly" but the fact that these were two middle-aged, middle-income or, even high-income professionals, doctors, it did rather take on a different hue."

Is that what WE all thought?  Utter cobblers - the man's a liability

A criminal is a criminal is a criminal, whether from a sink estate, the aristocracy, parliament, government, the health service, the police force or any other sector of society.

Like all the other staunch McCann'ites his attitude makes him look a complete ass.

Verdi wrote:

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Martin Brunt: "When most of us initially heard what had happened we all thought "chavvy family from some estate in Essex who weren't looking after their children properly" but the fact that these were two middle-aged, middle-income or, even high-income professionals, doctors, it did rather take on a different hue."

Is that what WE all thought?  Utter cobblers - the man's a liability

A criminal is a criminal is a criminal, whether from a sink estate, the aristocracy, parliament, government, the health service, the police force or any other sector of society.

Like all the other staunch McCann'ites his attitude makes him look a complete ass.

Much easier to go after a lonely pensioner with an opinion than a doctor reeking of cadaver odour.

Philip Edmonds - nephew of Margaret Hodge, UK politician linked to nationwide child abuse scandal.

"I can confirm that whatever information I had (including some photos of my sons taken on the day Madeleine disappeared, which showed her in the background) was passed both to the police and to the McCanns at the time."

Jane Tanner talks of her three year old daughter during her rogatory interview in April 2008..

"Err yeah the week before we went she was in hospital because she had, well she had a small abscess on her foot which sort of got some bug in it that caused her to have very high temperatures so they had to do a very minor operation just to take the puss out to, you know, to do that, and I think she came out of hospital on the wed, I think it was the Wednesday, and we sort of asked a lot of medical advice as to whether we should go or not and we very, so close that we didn’t go but then in the end we thought well if we go there’s probably more distractions for her there with the friends being there than being stuck at home with us and I say the Doctor said there was no problem in going as long as we kept her out the pool for the first bit so yeah, err so we were this close to, well I say it was almost like we weren’t going to go and then we suddenly at the end of the day said....”

“....She was fine apart from err her foot, she couldn’t wear her shoe so we bought her some mike stuff slippers so she was wearing slippers just to keep it covered, but yeah compared to how poorly she was the actual abscess on her foot was tiny, it was sort of a toxic shock type bug so it made her poorly than the actual cut on her foot so to speak.”

".... and ultimately it's not us that's committed this crime, it's the person that's gone into that apartment and taken a little girl away from her family ...."

Kate McCann - Crimewatch Madeleine McCann Special 2013

July 2008, just over a year after Madeleine McCann was reported missing, Clarence Mitchell had this to say about his clients intention to take legal action against the Portuguese authorities..

"By the end of this week, lawyers will have complete access to everything.

They will have 20 days to assess the work of the police and what has been done and what hasn't been done. If they feel legal action is necessary, we could press charges.

Kate and Gerry have said they will “bide their time” before speaking out on the police inquiry into their daughter’s disappearance.

It's going to be a long, slow process, both for the lawyers in examining the volumes [the PJ files] and for Kate and Gerry to be informed of their contents and whether there's any need for legal redress.

The priority has always been finding Madeleine so the investigative work is first and foremost.

The question of legal action remains an option but that is not the priority right now. It is something Kate and Gerry will take advice on from the British and Portuguese lawyers.

Kate McCann said "I want Amaral to be miserable and feel fear" (even though she said she forgave Gerry the 'abductor').

Maybe she's the one who's feeling miserable and feeling fear now?

If so, it's called karma, Kate.

Get'emGonçalo wrote:Kate McCann said "I want Amaral to be miserable and feel fear" (even though she said she forgave Gerry the 'abductor').

Maybe she's the one who's feeling miserable and feeling fear now?

If so, it's called karma, Kate.

If a picture paints a thousand words....

madeleine by KATE MCCANN   [nay Healy]

Amaral and his chums had evidently been poised to take full advantage of the long-awaited lifting of judicial secrecy. Now they really went to town:  we had staged a kidnap, or Madeleine had died in our holiday apartment and we had hidden her body; we had influenced the British police and organized our campaign to mislead investigators into searching for a living child, and so on and so forth....

No longer gagged by the law, Amaral was talking more and more openly to journalists andturning up on television chat shows. A friend in the Algarve kept us updated on his activities. It was unpleasant and distressing to hear what he was saying, but we had to know what Madeleine was up against in Portugal. And it was incessant. With the best will in the world, it is hard for anyone to absorb this stuff day in, day out and remain completely objective especially when it is never challenged or balanced by an alternative viewpoint.

It is impossible to convey, particularly to people outside Portugal who were not aware of Amaral’s behaviour, just how difficult this smear campaign was both to withstand and to counter. And we desperately needed to counter it: we have always believed that the information that can lead us to our daughter is likely to come from Portugal. This is where the crime was committed, after all. Blackening our names was one thing, but if people there were taken in by Amaral’s theories, they were going to think there was no point in looking for Madeleine, or in passing on any information that might be relevant. We are quite sure that Amaral’s posturing has reduced our chances of finding her.

Why on earth would a former police officer want to convince the world that a missing child was dead – with no evidence whatsoever to support his claim? The only conclusion we could draw was that he was at tempting to justify his actions while in charge of the investigation and at the same time promoting his forthcoming book to cash in on our misfortune. It just beggars belief.

I spent many days in tears, sobbing at the injustice being done to Madeleine by the very people who should have been helping her. There were times when I felt so incensed by the conduct of Amaral and his friends I thought I simply wouldn’t get through the pain and anger. It was utterly frustrating that there didn’t seem to be anybody in Portugal prepared to stand up against this man. Surely there were intelligent and knowledgeable people in position of authority who could see through these offensive allegations. Why were they all staying quiet? Was it because it wasn’t their problem? Were they scared to speak out? Perhaps Amaral had tapped into some kind of national subconscious desire for this to all just go away.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN continued..

Gerry and I talked about taking legal action against Gonçalo Amaral but we had concerns about the time and effort this would involve. We did not want to be diverted from our own investigation just as we had put the restrictions of the case behind us and we feared that any resolution through the Portuguese courts would take too long.  For the moment we hoped the fuss would die down and Amaral would let up.
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As 2008 drew to a close, Gonçalo Amaral was still parading his unsavoury theories around Portugal and beyond. By the autumn it had become clear that he was not going to go away. We were beginning to realize that the harm being done to our search for Madeleine, especially in Portugal, was outweighing our reluctance to be distracted from it. We needed to put a stop to this serious damage. We had already spoken to our legal team on several occasions about taking action and knew that the only way of assessing our chances of success would be to seek advice from a Portuguese libel lawyer.
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For his next trick, Amaral produced a ‘documentary’ based on his book, which was screened in Portugal on 13 April. A friendin Luz who phoned to tell us about it the next day was very upset, describing it as ‘awful’.

I’ve always been considered quite a gentle person but these attacks stirred up terrible emotions in me. It was as if my whole body was trying to scream but a tightly screwed-on lid was preventing the scream from escaping. Instead I was just howling internally. My punch bag certainly came in handy at times. Amaral’s documentary was the last straw. On 20 April we took the decision with Isabel Duarte to sue him
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Amaral’s appeal was heard in December in Lisbon, over five days that ended up being spread over three consecutive months.  Gerry and I felt it was important, essential even, for us to attend to represent Madeleine.  She needed somebody there for her.

She was the victim in this, not Gonçalo Amaral. I also needed to see the whites of Sr Amaral’s eyes.
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Not sure how I feel about seeing Mr Amaral – for the first time ever, I hasten to add!  I know I’m not scared but that man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear
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And so it was that on 11 December 2009 I first laid eyes on Sr Gonçalo Amaral. It was also the first time he had laid eyes on me. It is extraordinary that he could have said and written so many awful things about a person he had never met. He had obviously spruced himself up in recent months. The moustache, gold chain and bulging tummy familiar to me from unflattering newspaper photographs were nowhere to be seen. Now he was sporting a smart haircut, nice suit and hat, and – an intriguing touch – a diamond earring.

I wasn’t afraid, but I admit that my heart beat a little harder and I clutched my wooden holding cross tightly as he walked past, flanked by his entourage. Here was the person who had been entrusted with finding our little girl and who had failed her – not simply by being unable to find her when he was in charge, but by then speaking out in a way that in effect hindered other people, ourselves included, from finding her.

I couldn’t stop staring at him. It was as if I were trying to look inside his head. If the intensity of a stare could penetrate bone, I’m sure I would have managed it. What made this man tick? How did he rationalize his behaviour? How did he manage to sleep at night?
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The end!

I just picked a few quotes from the last two posts 

"Talking more and more openly to journalists and turning up on TV chat shows " Hmm sounds familiar !!

Amarals posturing ... Really ??

"Why on earth would a former police officer want to convince the world a missing child was dead- with no evidence whatsoever to support his claim ?" Woof woof Kate !

Promoting his forthcoming book to cash in on our misfortune - Err didn't you do the same ?


"For his next trick Amaral produced a " documentary "  - Didn't you do the same ??

"I'd always been considered quite a gentle person - my punch bag certainly came in handy at times !" Talking about Gerry Kate ?

"He deserves to be miserable and feel fear" - Like your daughter did ??

" An intriguing touch - a diamond earing " - Love your earings don't you !

"Who had failed her " The ones who were supposed to love her the most !

"How did he manage to sleep at night ?" - Well you did within a few days of your daughter going missing !

Yes Kate It does beggar belief doesn't it!

sandancer wrote:I just picked a few quotes from the last two posts 

"Talking more and more openly to journalists and turning up on TV chat shows " Hmm sounds familiar !!

Amarals posturing ... Really ??

"Why on earth would a former police officer want to convince the world a missing child was dead- with no evidence whatsoever to support his claim ?" Woof woof Kate !

Promoting his forthcoming book to cash in on our misfortune - Err didn't you do the same ?


"For his next trick Amaral produced a " documentary "  - Didn't you do the same ??

"I'd always been considered quite a gentle person - my punch bag certainly came in handy at times !" Talking about Gerry Kate ?

"He deserves to be miserable and feel fear" - Like your daughter did ??

" An intriguing touch - a diamond earing " - Love your earings don't you !

"Who had failed her " The ones who were supposed to love her the most !

"How did he manage to sleep at night ?" - Well you did within a few days of your daughter going missing !

Yes Kate It does beggar belief doesn't it!

   Wondered who would spot that first!

Was trying to think of the word to describe that sort of behaviour but I had a mental block - all I could think of was attack is the best form of defence.

These words,

Here was the person who had been entrusted with finding our little girl and who had failed her – not simply by being unable to find her when he was in charge, but by then speaking out in a way that in effect hindered other people, ourselves included, from finding her.


Fail me!


How KM could,say this is beyond rationalisation IMO

Psychological Projection - Defence Mechanism

This involves individuals attributing their own thoughts, feeling and motives to another person.  Thoughts most commonly projected onto another are the ones that would cause guilt such as aggressive and sexual fantasies or thoughts.  For instance, you might hate someone, but your superego tells you that such hatred is unacceptable.  You can 'solve' the problem by believing that they hate you.
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The McCanns should be able to associate with that Freudian analysis.

At 9.50pm, I rang Clement [Freud]. ‘Come on round,’ he said. ‘It’ll be nice to see you. But you’ll have to forgive my night-time attire.’

We found Clement [Freud] watching a cookery programme, dressed, as promised, in his nightshirt.  It was so ordinary and comforting, a bit like going to see your grandad after a horrible day at school. He gave me one of his looks and a giant glass of brandy, and managed to get a smile out of me with his greeting:  ‘So, Kate, which of the devout Catholic, alcoholic, depressed,nymphomaniac parts is correct?’

His response to our catalogue of horrors was merely to raise an eyebrow. Clement [Freud] had his way of making everything seem a little less terrible. When he heard about the dogs, he remarked laconically, ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’  He was right, of course; it was ridiculous.
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Takes one to know one!

5th May 2007:

Philomena McCann: "The childcare facilities: you're leaving people with other folk that you don't know. Gerry and Kate are in a clear line of sight of their kids"
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Didn't take the McCan'ts 'too long' to bung the twins back into the 'creche', with other folk, they didn't know, did it?

The 'morning' of the 4th May 2007!

With an uncaught, unknown, 'paedo burglator' at 'large'!

Is it just me or do many people on here just simply 'want' it to be the McCanns who perpetrated Madeleine's disappearance in order to feed some deep rooted fantasy of their own or what? Unless you found yourself in the McCann's position on April 3 2007, it would be difficult to predict how anyone would react and how those reactions might be perceived by others far removed from their situation. Much better, surely, to keep an open, non- judgemental approach. After all, mere speculation probably won't bring us any closer to finding out what really happened. And finally, there are abduction/murder/foul play cases that remain unsolved after several decades, so probably best to 'let it lie' until such time as Madeleine miraculously re-appears as a traumatised teenage hostage victim or a new lead is uncovered that leads to the identity and confession of the actual perpetrator. IMO it's more likely RIP Maddie and we never find out the truth.

I think it's just you pet 

Plus any " deep rooted fantasy " I may or may not have are not being revealed on here  

Let it lie ! Not a chance pet

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