Re: The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?

by worriedmum 29.06.16 20:43

Tony, I've watched the Jon Corner clip with Madeleine and the lolly in it. I can't see the other hand at all-how do we know this is a different picture to the one holding the ice cream cone? Couldn't it just be a cropped version of the cone one?

by NickE 29.06.16 21:52

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I think it is very unlikely that this photo was taken in Portugal.
Skirting boards made by wood is not common in Spain, Portugal, Greece ... where the houses are built of stone materials inside and out and the floors are usually clinker.

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She definitely wears something pink if you ask me.

AND, "the make-up photo" can be "the last photo."

by kaz 29.06.16 22:04

Tony Bennett wrote:
kaz wrote:In the 'make up' photo and the 'last ' photo the beads are on the same side of the head but in different positions. They even seem different beads to me but I could be wrong. In the 'ice lolly' photo the bead is on a different side. I know from experience how difficult these beads are to remove from a child's hair and my question is, knowing what a palaver these beads can be, why would they bother to change their positions on the same day ? It neither adds or detracts from the overall picture.
Yes, I understand - however, how do we know which way round any of the photos were taken originally?

The Make-Up Photo has appeared both ways on many occasions - on the right, or on the left.

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I'm totally confused with that one . Under what circumstances would the image change? Must admit I'm not very scientifically minded.

by tinkier 30.06.16 4:59

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Reading with interest and may comment later on the "photos"
Jon Corners production of the 2010 video appeal was always a "strange" one.
He is also part of Media City UK "The Landing" and talks ( promotes) passionately on the above video which some may find of interest.

Admin please remove or move if not appropriate.

Thanku so much for posting this link, as it led me on to a video of the McCann's I have never seen before, laughing and joking away, and Kate revises her version of events yet again!

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] In the above clip that you mention, did you notice KM's little slip up about 1.01 "That's when I noticed Madeleine was THERE"?

by Roxyroo 30.06.16 9:26

tinkier wrote:
Roxyroo wrote:
MayMuse wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Reading with interest and may comment later on the "photos"
Jon Corners production of the 2010 video appeal was always a "strange" one.
He is also part of Media City UK "The Landing" and talks ( promotes) passionately on the above video which some may find of interest.

Admin please remove or move if not appropriate.

Thanku so much for posting this link, as it led me on to a video of the McCann's I have never seen before, laughing and joking away, and Kate revises her version of events yet again!

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] In the above clip that you mention, did you notice KM's little slip up about 1.01 "That's when I noticed Madeleine was THERE"?

Yes I did notice it, and I think that probably explains ALOT! And great how Sandra really questions her about leaving the twins to raise alarm, but Kate doesn't even answer that! The glasses on table in front of them were a good prop too!
What if one of T7 pulled up the shutters earlier on? And has never admitted it out of fear of being blamed? They might've simply opened them, as doctors (!), thinking the room was too hot for three little kids. Just a picture that formed in my mind after watching this, my own opinion!x
Sorry! I know this is all off topic!

by Roxyroo 30.06.16 10:02

kaz wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
kaz wrote:In the 'make up' photo and the 'last ' photo the beads are on the same side of the head but in different positions. They even seem different beads to me but I could be wrong. In the 'ice lolly' photo the bead is on a different side. I know from experience how difficult these beads are to remove from a child's hair and my question is, knowing what a palaver these beads can be, why would they bother to change their positions on the same day ? It neither adds or detracts from the overall picture.
Yes, I understand - however, how do we know which way round any of the photos were taken originally?

The Make-Up Photo has appeared both ways on many occasions - on the right, or on the left.

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I'm totally confused with that one . Under what circumstances would the image change? Must admit I'm not very scientifically minded.

This can happen when a picture is copied. And this is why I don't trust these body reading experts who say Kate is lying when recounting story, as they say we look right to retrieve true memories etc, but we do not know if when they've been filmed if it is REALLY true right, as this transposing of left/right can happen on film, as in mirrors etc. Not that I believe a word the McCanns say! And I DO trust the other clues they give off eg Gerry's ear touching etc

by Google.Gaspar.Statements 30.06.16 10:08

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It can change like this.

by **Tony Bennett** 30.06.16 10:16

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It can change like this.

Yes, it is just a reversal of the original image.

Like looking through a slide or a photograph from the back instead of the front.

Therefore the hair bead could have been on the same side in the Last Photo, the Make-Up Photo, and the Ice Lolly Photo.

by Google.Gaspar.Statements 30.06.16 10:32

Tony Bennett wrote:
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It can change like this.
Yes, it is just a reversal of the original image.

Like looking through a slide or a photograph from the back instead of the front.

Therefore the hair bead could have been on the same side in the Last Photo, the Make-Up Photo, and the Ice Lolly Photo.

I thought this one was the original?

by worriedmum 30.06.16 16:21

I keep reading that the ice cream photo wasn't supplied by the McCanns;how do we know this and when and where did it first appear?

by **Tony Bennett** 30.06.16 19:06

Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
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It can change like this.
Yes, it is just a reversal of the original image.

Like looking through a slide or a photograph from the back instead of the front.

Therefore the hair bead could have been on the same side in the Last Photo, the Make-Up Photo, and the Ice Lolly Photo.
I thought this one was the original?

The 'original' is no doubt a digital image on someone's (whose?) camera.

It could very easily have been reversed by Jon Corner or others before it was edited into the video/

Yes, you are right, it was the above way round in the video, but not necessarily 'originally'.

by **Tony Bennett** 02.07.16 15:11

During the past two days on the CMOMM Facebook group, a lady on the group by the name of Heather Hopper (helped by one or two others) has made a series of valuable posts on the subject of the Make-Up Photo.

Here, lightly edited for clarity, are her three main contributions:

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1. The Make-Up Photo certainly wasn't taken at their home in Rothley as we are led to believe, whether by her own hand after raiding her Mother's makeup bag, or by a visiting beautician, unless they have an area/room with rough painted walls like an outside wash house. [NOTE: Another person on the CMOMM group claimed that the 'raiding her mother's makeup bag' had been replaced with a story that the makeup had been applied by a 'visiting beautician', but no-one has yet substantiated that claim.]

2. Well, if Madeleine was 'messing about with Mummy's makeup box it wasn't at their Rothley home as reported, so why lie about the venue, let alone the circumstances?

3. I am not sure if the metal bit on the wall is a thermometer, a some suggest. From my experience of living in Spain we always had the thermometers in a place that was always in the shade, otherwise the mercury would have probably exploded. So if this is in Portugal, as I firmly believe that it is, then it is a shaded area imo. Also, on a 500x enlargement of the picture, Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo. I personally thought that this bracket was a light and as I think there is a door behind her, a good place to put an n outside light. Regarding the raiding the makeup bag or visiting beautician I believe both these stories to be untrue. The expression of Madeleine's face is totally lacking in any sort of childish pleasure, delight, impishness as a makeup raiding child would have. Her expression, again imo, is flat and without emotion.

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In the light of that, and before we go any further on this thread, can I please ask these five questions.

Are the following now agreed?

1. That we have not heard the truth about the circumstances of the Make-Up Photo?

2. That it is far more likely that this photo was taken in Portugal and not at the McCanns' home?

3. That Madeleine looks the same age on both the Make-Up Photo and the Last Photo?

4. That the hair length of madeleine is near-identical on both photos?

5. That there is absolutely no evidence (apart from what the McCann say about these two photos) which contradicts my hypothesis that the Make-Up Photo and the Last Photo could both have been taken on Sunday 29th April 2007?

Thanks

by Liz Eagles 02.07.16 15:40

Having spent a lot of hours in the past two days with my great niece who is almost the same age as Madeleine was when she disappeared, I can honestly say that the make-up photo of Madeleine still disturbs me. I'm not interested in internet myths/hypotheses because they propound all sorts of nonsense.

I always come back to the very simple avenue of why that unhappy photo was released when there were surely so many other photographs which could have been released of a happy, carefree little girl. That's certainly not the little girl in the make-up photo. She's posing for a camera, looking downwards so the person taking the shot is below her. Madeleine isn't wearing splodged-on make-up that a kid would do - my great niece, today, and she's a clever little girl, can't colour in between the lines of a colouring book let alone put on 'mummy's' make-up with such care as is shown in the photograph of Madeleine.

I shudder at this photograph and it always brings me back to the question of why it was chosen above other photographs and released. It makes no sense to me.

by MayMuse 02.07.16 19:54

It's quite possible they could have been taken on the same day, but we cannot be absolutely certain.
After studying the photos at length, I have come to the conclusion that Madeleine's hair in the make up photo appears longer than in the holiday shot. If you compare the "fringe" length, it is longer ( just below her eye) in the make up photo and not in the other photos; it is just below her eyebrow. If you tilt your head back you would expect hair to move "upwards" which is why I think this is at a different time.
Plus someone suggested the black bar type thing on the wall may be a lamp, it looks like a bracket for a hanging basket in my opinion.

by **sharonl** 02.07.16 23:25

The floor board picture seems to have been taken in the McCanns' kitchen
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by **sharonl** 02.07.16 23:35

What is the black item on the wall to the left of Madeleines' head?

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by joyce1938 02.07.16 23:38

Yes it certainly looks like the same skirting board ,so would have been taken at home .when I look at the blue eyeshadow ,it appears to be over her cheek also ?joyce1938

by **Nina** 02.07.16 23:44

sharonl wrote:The floor board picture seems to have been taken in the McCanns' kitchen
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I would imagine all the skirting boards in the house will be the same design. Now why does that dress concern me?

by Guest 02.07.16 23:45

sharonl wrote:What is the black item on the wall to the left of Madeleines' head?

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According to a member way back on another thread, it's a thermometre. How that conclusion was drawn I haven't the foggiest but if it be so, can't say I've ever seen such a fixture on the balcony of tourist accommodation.

by Guest 02.07.16 23:47

joyce1938 wrote:Yes it certainly looks like the same skirting board ,so would have been taken at home .when I look at the blue eyeshadow ,it appears to be over her cheek also ?joyce1938

I can't imagine Kate McCann using blue eyeshadow.

by Guest 02.07.16 23:56

@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.

by **Nina** 03.07.16 0:25

Verdi wrote:
sharonl wrote:What is the black item on the wall to the left of Madeleines' head?

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According to a member way back on another thread, it's a thermometre. How that conclusion was drawn I haven't the foggiest but if it be so, can't say I've ever seen such a fixture on the balcony of tourist accommodation.

That other member was on facebook and she said it reminded her of a thermometer she had in a shaded outside wall in her house in Spain.or it could be a balcony/patio/terrace light.

by plebgate 03.07.16 1:01

Nina wrote:
Verdi wrote:
sharonl wrote:What is the black item on the wall to the left of Madeleines' head?

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According to a member way back on another thread, it's a thermometre. How that conclusion was drawn I haven't the foggiest but if it be so, can't say I've ever seen such a fixture on the balcony of tourist accommodation.
That other member was on facebook and she said it reminded her of a thermometer she had in a shaded outside wall in her house in Spain.or it could be a balcony/patio/terrace light.

Could the blue object in the background be an inflatable lilo against the wall?
It looks to me to be the shape of the top of a lilo and I think I can see white shade at the sides?

by **Tony Bennett** 03.07.16 1:08

Verdi wrote:@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.

(The words above were from 'Heather Hopper' in another place, which I quoted)
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I think it would be very helpful if we had an expert in the house who could say exactly to what extent Madeleine's pupils are dilated in the Make-Up Photo, especially when compared with other photos of her.

We also probably need an expert in the effects of drugs on pupils.

I distinctly recall a most peculiar photo of Gerry McCann, I think dressed as a doctor, with a rather 'mad' expression on his face, a kind of weird, clownish grin. I must admit he did look rather 'out of it', and a lot of folk asked: 'What was he on?'

Can anyone produce it? - his pupils were said to be 'dilated' on that one as well

by Guest 03.07.16 1:12

Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.
(The words above were from 'Heather Hopper' in another place, which I quoted)
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I think it would be very helpful if we had an expert in the house who could say exactly to what extent Madeleine's pupils are dilated in the Make-Up Photo, especially when compared with other photos of her.

We also probably need an expert in the effects of drugs on pupils.

I distinctly recall a most peculiar photo of Gerry McCann, I think dressed as a doctor, with a rather 'mad' expression on his face, a kind of weird, clownish grin. I must admit he did look rather 'out of it', and a lot of folk asked: 'What was he on?'

Can anyone produce it? - his pupils were said to be 'dilated' on that one as well

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NB: Apologies, I should have made it clear that the comment was made by someone other than your goodself.

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by Guest 03.07.16 1:14

A better image without the side order..

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by **Tony Bennett** 03.07.16 1:18

Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.
(The words above were from 'Heather Hopper' in another place, which I quoted)
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I think it would be very helpful if we had an expert in the house who could say exactly to what extent Madeleine's pupils are dilated in the Make-Up Photo, especially when compared with other photos of her.

We also probably need an expert in the effects of drugs on pupils.

I distinctly recall a most peculiar photo of Gerry McCann, I think dressed as a doctor, with a rather 'mad' expression on his face, a kind of weird, clownish grin. I must admit he did look rather 'out of it', and a lot of folk asked: 'What was he on?'

Can anyone produce it? - his pupils were said to be 'dilated' on that one as well
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NB: Apologies, I should have made it clear that the comment was made by someone other than your goodself.

Wow, that was quick!

Yes, the better image shows us VERY dilated pupils on Gerry McCann, but I know little or nothing about what causes dilated pupils - except the dark, of course.

Are Madeleine's pupils significantly dilated in the Make-Up Photo? or not?

I meant to add that Madeleine's eyes in that photo do seem to have the same expressionless look, like those of someone in a catatonic state

by Guest 03.07.16 1:22

Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.
(The words above were from 'Heather Hopper' in another place, which I quoted)
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I think it would be very helpful if we had an expert in the house who could say exactly to what extent Madeleine's pupils are dilated in the Make-Up Photo, especially when compared with other photos of her.

We also probably need an expert in the effects of drugs on pupils.

I distinctly recall a most peculiar photo of Gerry McCann, I think dressed as a doctor, with a rather 'mad' expression on his face, a kind of weird, clownish grin. I must admit he did look rather 'out of it', and a lot of folk asked: 'What was he on?'

Can anyone produce it? - his pupils were said to be 'dilated' on that one as well
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NB: Apologies, I should have made it clear that the comment was made by someone other than your goodself.
Wow, that was quick!

Yes, the better image shows us VERY dilated pupils on Gerry McCann, but I know little or nothing about what causes dilated pupils - except the dark, of course.

Are Madeleine's pupils significantly dilated in the Make-Up Photo? or not?

I meant to add that Madeleine's eyes in that photo do seem to have the same expressionless look, like those of someone in a catatonic state

Can't see it myself but I'm sure someone in the house will have an informed opinion.

by Roxyroo 03.07.16 1:46

Substance abuse causes the eyes to dilate wen a drug such as heroin is leaving the body, they go to tiny pin points wen drug is first ingested/being high.Added withdrawal symptoms are yawning and eyes watering. Conversely a drug such as cocaine makes pupils dilate immediately once taken. This line of thought with doc McCann always reminds me of Doctor Shipman, who was a morphine addict. In fact several bottles were found in his garage!

by Roxyroo 03.07.16 2:26

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sharonl wrote:The floor board picture seems to have been taken in the McCanns' kitchen
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I would imagine all the skirting boards in the house will be the same design. Now why does that dress concern me?

Me too. Its too big for her anyway

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?