Re: The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?

by joyce1938 Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:35 am

I think maybe that too big dress could be a hand me down ? Once a kid see's the dress ,she would want to wear it ,maybe a cousins ? joyce1938

by MayMuse Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:47 pm

Nina wrote:
Verdi wrote:
sharonl wrote:What is the black item on the wall to the left of Madeleines' head?

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According to a member way back on another thread, it's a thermometre. How that conclusion was drawn I haven't the foggiest but if it be so, can't say I've ever seen such a fixture on the balcony of tourist accommodation.
That other member was on facebook and she said it reminded her of a thermometer she had in a shaded outside wall in her house in Spain.or it could be a balcony/patio/terrace light.

It looks like a bracket for a hanging basket, my parents had one like that and the basket fits on the top of the bracket. Could this photo have been taken in Donegal before they went to Portugal?

by **Tony Bennett** Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:47 pm

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Nina wrote:
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sharonl wrote:What is the black item on the wall to the left of Madeleines' head?

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According to a member way back on another thread, it's a thermometre. How that conclusion was drawn I haven't the foggiest but if it be so, can't say I've ever seen such a fixture on the balcony of tourist accommodation.
That other member was on facebook and she said it reminded her of a thermometer she had in a shaded outside wall in her house in Spain.or it could be a balcony/patio/terrace light.
It looks like a bracket for a hanging basket, my parents had one like that and the basket fits on the top of the bracket. Could this photo have been taken in Donegal before they went to Portugal?

The McCanns had an opportunity to say 'Madeleine put this make-up in Donegal' - but they did not say that.

They claimed it was 'a few weeks before' they went to Portugal, clearly implying that it happened at home in Rothley.

Everything they have said about that photograph looks wrong.

by tinkier Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:28 pm

Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:@TonyBennett: Madeleine's pupils are quite large, so not a well lit area, again imo.

Substance abuse can cause dilated pupils.
(The words above were from 'Heather Hopper' in another place, which I quoted)
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I think it would be very helpful if we had an expert in the house who could say exactly to what extent Madeleine's pupils are dilated in the Make-Up Photo, especially when compared with other photos of her.

We also probably need an expert in the effects of drugs on pupils.

I distinctly recall a most peculiar photo of Gerry McCann, I think dressed as a doctor, with a rather 'mad' expression on his face, a kind of weird, clownish grin. I must admit he did look rather 'out of it', and a lot of folk asked: 'What was he on?'

Can anyone produce it? - his pupils were said to be 'dilated' on that one as well
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NB: Apologies, I should have made it clear that the comment was made by someone other than your goodself.
Wow, that was quick!

Yes, the better image shows us VERY dilated pupils on Gerry McCann, but I know little or nothing about what causes dilated pupils - except the dark, of course.

Are Madeleine's pupils significantly dilated in the Make-Up Photo? or not?

I meant to add that Madeleine's eyes in that photo do seem to have the same expressionless look, like those of someone in a catatonic state
Can't see it myself but I'm sure someone in the house will have an informed opinion.

Antihistamines e.g Diphenhydramine (benadryl) can cause dilated pupils as well as having a sedative effect. Even more so on a young child who had maybe a little more than the prescribed dose.

by Guest Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:15 am

[color:1db2=000000][color:1db2=000000]Direct quotes from the Dail[color:1db2=000000]y Mail [snipped]..

[color:1db2=000000]Last week her parents returned to Portugal to put pressure on the police to renew their investigation, which was dropped in July 2008, and released the photo and a new video in the hope of triggering new leads in the search for their daughter, who would now be six.

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[color:1db2=000000]Having fun: The new photo showing Madeleine in blue eyeshadow, beads and

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The couple, both 42-year-old doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, said their three-man team of private detectives hunting for Madeleine had discovered leads in police case files which had previously been dismissed.

In an interview with a Portuguese newspaper, Mr McCann said: 'There are leads, clues which weren't investigated. That information has been sent to the authorities.[color:1db2=000000]..

[color:1db2=000000][color:1db2=000000][size=13][color:1db2=000000][size=13]We know that one of the leads was followed up and eliminated, and another was considered irrelevant. We don't agree. I'm not saying we have somebody who saw Madeleine. But clues lead to other clues and we have to convince the police to investigate them.'

The couple, who will spend tomorrow with friends, would not give more details of the leads they want followed up, saying that could hinder the investigation.

Mr McCann added: 'We are going to call for the case to be reopened. Can it be done? It can. Will it be done? I don't know.'

[/size][/size][color:1db2=000000][color:1db2=000000][size=13][color:1db2=000000][size=13][size=13][color:1db2=000000][size=13][size=13]A short film released by the couple yesterday shows some of their efforts to find their missing child over the past three years, from handing out posters in Portugal to chasing up leads from their home.

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Reader please be advised that the McCanns had the opportunity to stop the investigation being archived by the PJ in 2008 - they didn't!

Again I ask, whatever your opinion of the short video produced by family friend Jon Corner, how could the provocative images possibly be seen as 'showing some of their efforts to find their missing child'?

ETA: Sorry for the mess - mccannfiles again.
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by worriedmum Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:21 am

Sorry, but there is no way I would describe that as a picture of a little girl 'having fun'. Just no.

by canada12 Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:27 am

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If anything this is an attempt to emulate the Graham Ovenden photo which you can see here:
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(For reference purposes the photo is called "Sam" and it was published in 1972)

Sorry but I can't see it being accidental. And Graham Ovenden was a notorious photographer of young children. You can read all about him online at your leisure.
This photo of Madeleine is, in my opinion, an attempt to copy Ovenden's photo. Whoever took it knew exactly what they were doing and also knew about the Ovenden photo.

by Guest Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:54 am

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If anything this is an attempt to emulate the Graham Ovenden photo which you can see here:
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(For reference purposes the photo is called "Sam" and it was published in 1972)

Sorry but I can't see it being accidental. And Graham Ovenden was a notorious photographer of young children. You can read all about him online at your leisure.
This photo of Madeleine is, in my opinion, an attempt to copy Ovenden's photo. Whoever took it knew exactly what they were doing and also knew about the Ovenden photo.

Oh I'm totally aware of Graham Ovenden and I totally agree - let's not be shy..

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Only one example of the man's depravity in the name of art - condoned by an elite sect of society that cannot see any harm in depicting a child's form as a sex object..

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So, no problem - apparently. You can produce provocative images of children without censure just as long as it's classified as 'art'.

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What is wrong with this world?

by Doug D Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:16 am

Don’t think I have ever seen the full Ovendon photo before, but if the MM photo was an attempt to emulate it, that could explain the strange way the published photo has been cut.

Alternative solution is that it has been cut this way to prevent identification of the location, as I can't see that the original photo would have been taken in this way, but then why it was ever published at all beats me.

I wonder whether the PJ ever looked for/found any photos of MM on the ‘dark web’ or whatever it is they call it?

by worriedmum Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:50 am

I also wonder whether the photo has been released and publicised in Portugal. If it was taken in Portugal, someone might recognise the location.

by **Tony Bennett** Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:45 am

Could these two photographs of Madeleine have been taken on the SAME DAY?

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by worriedmum Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:04 am

Madeleine's hair does look the same length, with the same long piece hanging over her eye. She looks flushed on the pool photo,but how could we tell what order they were taken in?

I have a huge problem with the shading on the dressing up photo. If you look at the neck where there is a strange 'kink' you will notice that the top half of the neck, roughly, is a pinker colour than the bottom half. There is a wavy line if you look closely. I have the same problem with the tennis photo. The arm has wavy darker lines and of course there is the White Hand issue. I have previously read that the blue 'eyeshadow' is not eyeshadow at all, but has been applied digitally to the image. Can anyone offer expert advice?

by **Jill Havern** Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:27 am

It looks like a pink strap underneath the gold coloured bead necklace, same as the Last Photo.

by **Tony Bennett** Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:21 am

Get'emGonçalo wrote:It looks like a pink strap underneath the gold coloured bead necklace, same as the Last Photo.

YES. That is another chilling 'coincidence'

by **Nina** Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:07 pm

Tony Bennett wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:It looks like a pink strap underneath the gold coloured bead necklace, same as the Last Photo.
YES. That is another chilling 'coincidence'

I cannot post screen shots on this group but please look at this on 500 magnification.

Please compare the pink edge of clothing on the makeup photo with the edging of the top on the pool picture. The way it is formed and stitched is the same so I would agree there is every likelihood it is the same garment.

Also on the same magnification and on the makeup photo please check Madeline's right cheek bone and her neck. There is, imo, some bruising in both these areas.There is certainly discolouration against her very pale skin.

by **Tony Bennett** Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:46 pm

Nina wrote:
Please compare the pink edge of clothing on the makeup photo with the edging of the top on the pool picture. The way it is formed and stitched is the same so I would agree there is every likelihood it is the same garment.

Thank you @ Nina.

Can anyone spot a significant difference between the length of Madeleine's hair on the two photograph?

How similar is the hair length and general style on the two photographs?

The colour of her hair bead/bow/elastic looks the same on both photos > pink.

Can we say whether it is the identical object on both photos? Or not?

by Guest Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:57 pm

Tony Bennett wrote:
Nina wrote:
Please compare the pink edge of clothing on the makeup photo with the edging of the top on the pool picture. The way it is formed and stitched is the same so I would agree there is every likelihood it is the same garment.
Thank you @ Nina.

Can anyone spot a significant difference between the length of Madeleine's hair on the two photograph?

How similar is the hair length and general style on the two photographs?

The colour of her hair bead/bow/elastic looks the same on both photos > pink.

Can we say whether it is the identical object on both photos? Or not?

No, I don't think it's the identical object. Both pink but one looks like an elastic band and the other looks like a hair slide - not to say that's conclusive evidence that the two photographs were not taken at around the same time.

by Guest Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:00 pm

It's very difficult to tell with the make-up photograph, so bland, no facial definition. Indeed this is the case with most images of Madeleine McCann, almost as though they've been digitally enhanced for aesthetic reasons, as opposed to just simple family snapshots.

Most people take photographs of their children because that's what they are - their children. They want to preserve memories of their child's appearance, their antics and the various stages of development as time goes by - not as glamour models.

Images of Madeleine made public by the McCann family vary considerably as regards her appearance. I can only see two obvious reasons for this..

1. To deceive the public by false images

2. To sell the child - a good marketing ploy

Net conclusion - there is no clear innocent explanation as to why the parents of a missing three year old child would publicize such a portfolio of different 'looks' that incite suspicion, anger, curiosity and criticism.

by Guest Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:09 pm

Doug D wrote:Don’t think I have ever seen the full Ovendon photo before, but if the MM photo was an attempt to emulate it, that could explain the strange way the published photo has been cut.

Alternative solution is that it has been cut this way to prevent identification of the location, as I can't see that the original photo would have been taken in this way, but then why it was ever published at all beats me.

I wonder whether the PJ ever looked for/found any photos of MM on the ‘dark web’ or whatever it is they call it?

The PJ were certainly very interested in Robert Murat's computer/s if that signifies.

Here's another of Ovenden's 'Lolita' collection that to my eye is hauntingly similar to the make-up image of Madeleine (neck up of course)..

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by bobbin Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:39 pm

Verdi wrote:It's very difficult to tell with the make-up photograph, so bland, no facial definition. Indeed this is the case with most images of Madeleine McCann, almost as though they've been digitally enhanced for aesthetic reasons, as opposed to just simple family snapshots.

Most people take photographs of their children because that's what they are - their children. They want to preserve memories of their child's appearance, their antics and the various stages of development as time goes by - not as glamour models.

Images of Madeleine made public by the McCann family vary considerably as regards her appearance. I can only see two obvious reasons for this..

1. To deceive the public by false images

2. To sell the child - a good marketing ploy

Net conclusion - there is no clear innocent explanation as to why the parents of a missing three year old child would publicize such a portfolio of different 'looks' that incite suspicion, anger, curiosity and criticism.

I have been concerned by the dilated pupils.
Questions,
Has the photo been photo-shopped to make the eyes seem more... well 'bella donna' like.
Has Madeleine accidentally taken some poison which makes the pupils enlarge.
Has she been given something to make the pupils dilate.

Tony observes that the pupils are quite large so it must have been a dark area because that would be the normal explanation. I understand his observation, especially as it seems to be an outside wall in a sunny area, with Madeleine looking out towards the light, so why would the pupils be enlarged.

Madeleine's left pupil seems extremely enlarged.

These parents are doctors.

If they were with Madeleine when she was being photographed, surely they should have noticed her pupils. We have seen enough photos where Madeleine's eyes are not like this at all.
If they were not with Madeleine when she was being photographed, then what the devil were they doing leaving her in such a place that such dilation could occur and not be acted upon.

Given again, that they are doctors, why have they selected and produced this photo for the public viewing, and not reacted to the danger or alarm that the dilated pupils represent and realised that their medical professionalism would be put under serious question and scrutiny.

I add two articles which I found readily on the internet regarding reasons for pupils to dilate.

I have enlarged one sentence in particular which points out the necessity to react to observing such dilation, if that is the case.

If it is not the case and the photo has been photo-shopped, then what audience is the photo aimed at serving, given that the parents (doctors) feared a 'paedophile' abduction and have been 'shocked' by the fact that they had dinner with Clement Freud who they now apparently discover was a paedophile.

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Enlarged Pupils Are Usually A Normal Occurrence

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Enlarged pupils are a common occurrence as we go about our daily, and nightly, activities. The function of the pupil, the round area in the center of the eye, is to allow light into the eye and to strike the retina. The larger the pupil is, the more light will enter the eye. An enlarged pupil is normally a response of the eye to a lessening of available light. An enlarged pupil will let more light enter, making vision easier or better.
The Role Of The Iris - The size of the pupil is controlled by the action of the iris. The iris is a circular muscle, several muscles actually, surrounding the pupil. When the muscles contract, the pupil becomes smaller, when they expand, the pupil becomes larger. The muscles of the iris are controlled by the nervous system. Abnormally enlarged pupils, that is enlarged pupils that have become that way for some reason other than stimulus by any absence of light, are almost always caused by something affecting the nervous system. Abnormally enlarged pupils tend to remain in that state for some time, indicating that something is wrong.
Our eyes dilate when we enter a darkened room. Since the muscles in the iris cannot expand instantly, we don't receive much light on the retina at first and have trouble seeing in the dark. If we go from a darkened room into a brightly lighted room, the light will seem too strong, as the muscles in the iris cannot contract instantly. We may have trouble seeing at first, for a different reason. The eyes quickly adjust however, making vision normal again.
An abnormal situation can occur with some types of illness, or an eye disease, in which the iris expands and the pupils are constantly dilated, in other words abnormally enlarged. There are quite a number of causes of enlarged pupils, where the pupils not only enlarge, but tend to remain that way, irrespective of the intensity of the light that is entering the eye. As one might expect, most all of these causes affect the nervous system, which then cannot function normally with respect to controlling the muscles in the iris.
Poisons And Toxins - Among the more common causes of enlarged pupils are drugs, medications, toxic agents, and poisoning. There are a wide variety of poisonous plants and herbs which, when ingested, will result in enlarged pupils as one of the symptoms of poisoning. In fact, it's not just eating poisonous plants, but almost any kind of food poisoning that will affect the nervous system and the control of the muscles in the iris. What is happening is that when the iris expands, it is relaxing, and the effect of the poison or toxic agent on the nervous system is one of keeping these muscles relaxed.
When We Dilate The Eyes On Purpose - We experience this when we go in for an eye exam. The ophthalmologist will put drops of what are referred to as mydriatics on our eye. This medication forces the eye to dilate by not allowing the iris to contract, but rather relaxing the muscles of the iris so that the pupil is enlarged. This condition is temporary but may last for up to an hour, forcing you to wear dark glasses, usually provided, to avoid eye damage when you step outside into the bright sunlight.
Other Causes - Besides poisons, many narcotic and hallucinatory drugs will affect the nervous system and cause the pupils to dilate. So will an adverse reaction to or an overdose of certain herbs. A person suffering from a concussion often will exhibit enlarged pupils, as will someone who has suffered a heart attack, or is experiencing a grand mal seizure.

Enlarged pupils are therefore usually an indication of something gone wrong, but not with the eyes.

Enlarged pupils are in themselves not particularly dangerous unless too much light enters the eye over too long a period, such that there is a possibility of eye damage. If you see someone who has larger pupils than seem normal, it would be a good idea to seek out the cause, which could turn out to be something requiring attention.

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(in answer to my typed in question, why would pupils dilate)

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Immediately after the person dies, the eye dilates, because of the relaxation of the muscles of the iris. This is because of the loss of tone of the muscles. Normally the muscles are at a state of low constant contraction called tone of a muscle. This is maintained by the constant low level firing of the nerves that supplies the muscles. After death the nerves stop firing leading to the loss of tone and thus dilatation.

After one or two hours rigor mortis sets in during which all muscles contract including the constrictor pupillae, which constricts the pupils.

So after one or two hours after death, the pupils constrict. The time is variable depending on the person. Rigor mortis occurs due to lack of ATP. So the onset of Rigor would depend on the level of ATP the person had before death.

Hope this helps.
Source(s): Changes after death, Forensic medicine textbook.
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So, above are some of the reasons that pupils will dilate. Importantly however, is the fact that dilated pupils are a sign of a need to find out what is wrong with the person.

Why has this photo been produced by doctors who above all others should know that the pupils are indicating some form of medical concern.

by Mirage Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:08 pm

The following words and simulated rough shaking often come to mind: " What d'you mean? What d'you mean , you woke up?

by Mirage Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:23 pm

Regarding the beads. They look different to me. The pool one looks paler pink (sunlight may have leeched colour) . It looks like two little oblong blocks. Maybe a dog motif on one. NB Specsavers appointment due!

The make up photo one has a more bow-like suggestion of shape, so possibly a slide.

The pool bead appears set lower in the hair. Not sure if these beads can be pulled down by a child, like a toggle, say.

The ears look set mighty low in the make up picture. Very strange.

I don't like the bruised look on the right cheek and neck at all. The eyes, well chilling is the word.

by **Tony Bennett** Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:29 pm

Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Nina wrote:
Please compare the pink edge of clothing on the makeup photo with the edging of the top on the pool picture. The way it is formed and stitched is the same so I would agree there is every likelihood it is the same garment.
Thank you @ Nina.

Can anyone spot a significant difference between the length of Madeleine's hair on the two photograph?

How similar is the hair length and general style on the two photographs?

The colour of her hair bead/bow/elastic looks the same on both photos > pink.

Can we say whether it is the identical object on both photos? Or not?
No, I don't think it's the identical object. Both pink but one looks like an elastic band and the other looks like a hair slide - not to say that's conclusive evidence that the two photographs were not taken at around the same time.

@ Verdi Thank you for your observation. Of course, as you say, if they are different hair beads/slides, that by no means disproves that he two photos were taken on the same day.

However, can I make this observation about the hair bead/bow/slide.

On the Make-Up Photo, we see the bow/slide taken from the side - so we see the bow clearly.

By contrast, the photographer in the Last Photo is looking at the bow/slide from above and not from the side - so it would look quite different, and ou wouldn't be able to see the bow.

I hope that makes sense. Does that in any way change your provisional view?

@ bobbin Your points noted. I haven't actually said that Madeleine's pupils are dilated on the Make-Up Photo - I was just asking if other people think they are (compared with her pupils on other photographs, and if yes, what might be the cause of that. We know at least that the Make-Up Photo wasn't taken in direct sunlight

by **Tony Bennett** Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:30 pm

Mirage wrote:The pool bead appears set lower in the hair.

Yes I fully agree with that observation.

by **Jill Havern** Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:35 pm

Tony Bennett wrote:
@ bobbin Your points noted. I haven't actually said that Madeleine's pupils are dilated on the Make-Up Photo - I was just asking if other people think they are (compared with her pupils on other photographs, and if yes, what might be the cause of that. We know at least that the Make-Up Photo wasn't taken in direct sunlight

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by bobbin Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:48 pm

Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Nina wrote:
Please compare the pink edge of clothing on the makeup photo with the edging of the top on the pool picture. The way it is formed and stitched is the same so I would agree there is every likelihood it is the same garment.
Thank you @ Nina.

Can anyone spot a significant difference between the length of Madeleine's hair on the two photograph?

How similar is the hair length and general style on the two photographs?

The colour of her hair bead/bow/elastic looks the same on both photos > pink.

Can we say whether it is the identical object on both photos? Or not?
No, I don't think it's the identical object. Both pink but one looks like an elastic band and the other looks like a hair slide - not to say that's conclusive evidence that the two photographs were not taken at around the same time.
@ Verdi   Thank you for your observation. Of course, as you say, if they are different hair beads/slides, that by no means disproves that he two photos were taken on the same day.

However, can I make this observation about the hair bead/bow/slide.

On the Make-Up Photo, we see the bow/slide taken from the side - so we see the bow clearly.

By contrast, the photographer in the Last Photo is looking at the bow/slide from above and not from the side - so it would look quite different, and ou wouldn't be able to see the bow.

I hope that makes sense. Does that in any way change your provisional view?

@ bobbin    Your points noted. I haven't actually said that Madeleine's pupils are dilated on the Make-Up Photo - I was just asking if other people think they are (compared with her pupils on other photographs, and if yes, what might be the cause of that. We know at least that the Make-Up Photo wasn't taken in direct sunlight

@Tony, thank you and I have gone back and edited my post to say correctly that you noted that Madeleine's 'pupils are quite large'.

by MayMuse Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:17 pm

I still believe that the hair length on the make up photo is longer than the holiday shot.
The make up photos shows longer "bangs" just below her eye, the other ones show hair length around her eye or above.
I do not know how to upload photos for comparison.
If you compare the football shirt photo and the make up photo to the last photo and the photo of Madeleine in the playground you can perhaps see what I am observing.
I agree that the beads look very different in style.

by Guest Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:27 pm

Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Nina wrote:
Please compare the pink edge of clothing on the makeup photo with the edging of the top on the pool picture. The way it is formed and stitched is the same so I would agree there is every likelihood it is the same garment.
Thank you @ Nina.

Can anyone spot a significant difference between the length of Madeleine's hair on the two photograph?

How similar is the hair length and general style on the two photographs?

The colour of her hair bead/bow/elastic looks the same on both photos > pink.

Can we say whether it is the identical object on both photos? Or not?
No, I don't think it's the identical object. Both pink but one looks like an elastic band and the other looks like a hair slide - not to say that's conclusive evidence that the two photographs were not taken at around the same time.
@ Verdi   Thank you for your observation. Of course, as you say, if they are different hair beads/slides, that by no means disproves that he two photos were taken on the same day.

However, can I make this observation about the hair bead/bow/slide.

On the Make-Up Photo, we see the bow/slide taken from the side - so we see the bow clearly.

By contrast, the photographer in the Last Photo is looking at the bow/slide from above and not from the side - so it would look quite different, and ou wouldn't be able to see the bow.

I hope that makes sense. Does that in any way change your provisional view?

@ bobbin    Your points noted. I haven't actually said that Madeleine's pupils are dilated on the Make-Up Photo - I was just asking if other people think they are (compared with her pupils on other photographs, and if yes, what might be the cause of that. We know at least that the Make-Up Photo wasn't taken in direct sunlight

Yes, I understand your point but I really can't be sure - any other observation from me on the subject could only be invention. I've tried increasing the size but naturally that only distorts the image.

Same as regards the make-up photograph, I can't even see her pupils clearly, let alone comment on the size.

by **Jill Havern** Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:28 pm

MayMuse wrote:I still believe that the hair length on the make up photo is longer than the holiday shot.
The make up photos shows longer "bangs" just below her eye, the other ones show hair length around her eye or above.
I do not know how to upload photos for comparison.
If you compare the football shirt photo and the make up photo to the last photo and the photo of Madeleine in the playground you can perhaps see what I am observing.
I agree that the beads look very different in style.

Wasn't there a load of rootless hair found in the scenic?

by tinkier Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:36 pm

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
@ bobbin Your points noted. I haven't actually said that Madeleine's pupils are dilated on the Make-Up Photo - I was just asking if other people think they are (compared with her pupils on other photographs, and if yes, what might be the cause of that. We know at least that the Make-Up Photo wasn't taken in direct sunlight

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Another cause of dilated pupils, or even unequal pupils is a head injury..in my experience this may result in an open wound with visible bleeding or it may result in a closed wound with internal bleeding that cannot be seen. Dilated pupils form a head injury may (but not always) be accompanied with dizziness and nausea. Just throwing this out there as another reason.

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?