Re: Dr Christian Ludke interview revisited - November 2007

by littlepixie 16.08.10 10:42

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This woman who murdered her daughter has got life and will serve 8 years.

The comments below from her friends show how people will defend a child murderer. I am sure if the McCanns had held their hands up in the beginning there would have been many who would have sympathized with them if one of them had been suffering from mental illness and momentarily "lost it".

If they did freeze their little girls body and move her weeks after death and denied her a proper burial then there is no sympathy.

by Mariita 17.04.12 1:00

I don´t think that Christian Lüdke is wrong. Something that struck me when I began reading about this case was that IF it had been an accident,- they would never have looked so relaxed (almost happy) in so many pictures. Because an accident is an accident, - which means no planning -and therefore a TRAGEDY. The cover up had to be constructed and carried out(hiding the body) in a relative short timesequence. This is maybe not impossible, but how likely when one takes everything else in consideration? Lüdke mentions the McCanns behaviour after the discovery that Madeleine was missing. Plus the statistics in "abduction" cases...not in the McCanns favor. The more I watch the body language, listen to strange answers (or avoiding answering at all) in interviews,the more convinced I get about their part in this! So....
Abduction? NO WAY!
Accident? Maybe, but far to many signs that indicate the worse scenario (going on with regular activities in a relaxed manner, smiling on photos etc etc) Every other strange things, like unwilling to answer questions, refusing to use lie detectors, discredit the dogs, goes along with death by accident and a followed cover up. Both are lies. And to make big money out of those lies...well the English language is not my natural every-day language,- if it was I would probably have written the ugliest word there is - to describe what I feel about it[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by **tigger** 17.04.12 8:50

Exactly Mariita, I'm with Dr. Ludke every step of the way. He said early on that this had to be planned and they must have spoken about it with each other.

Whichever scenario you try out, abduction, accident, murder - there was no grief. Not even time to grieve and this normal human reaction cannot be denied. You have no choice in the matter - grief cannot be postponed or covered with a smile. It is immediate and overpowering.

by **PeterMac** 17.04.12 10:07

tigger wrote:
Whichever scenario you try out, abduction, accident, murder - there was no grief. Not even time to grieve and this normal human reaction cannot be denied. You have no choice in the matter - grief cannot be postponed or covered with a smile. It is immediate and overpowering.

Quite.
But with one caveat.
With a certainty of death, whether by natural causes, by accident or by design, there is a point at which the world starts to come together again, even though in a different form from before. This is why elaborate funerals, remembrance services, visiting graves, visiting the site of the accident, visiting battle grounds, throwing wreaths into the sea, leaving flowers, garrotting teddy bears with piano wire on lampposts, and all the other things people do are so important.
These actions allow what people call 'closure'.

With an abduction by a predatory Pae***** there could never be that point.

Not even if she were returned alive, since she would / will be psychologically and physically damaged beyond recognition and probably beyond recovery.
Death is the only outcome which permits people eventually to relax into a form of normality.
And an extension of that is that they must know (know) that she is dead.

by aiyoyo 17.04.12 12:30

PeterMac wrote:
tigger wrote:
Whichever scenario you try out, abduction, accident, murder - there was no grief. Not even time to grieve and this normal human reaction cannot be denied. You have no choice in the matter - grief cannot be postponed or covered with a smile. It is immediate and overpowering.
Quite.
But with one caveat.
With a certainty of death, whether by natural causes, by accident or by design, there is a point at which the world starts to come together again, even though in a different form from before. This is why elaborate funerals, remembrance services, visiting graves, visiting the site of the accident, visiting battle grounds, throwing wreaths into the sea, leaving flowers, garrotting teddy bears with piano wire on lampposts, and all the other things people do are so important.
These actions allow what people call 'closure'.

With an abduction by a predatory Pae***** there could never be that point.

Not even if she were returned alive, since she would / will be psychologically and physically damaged beyond recognition and probably beyond recovery.
Death is the only outcome which permits people eventually to relax into a form of normality.
And an extension of that is that they must know (know) that she is dead.

Precisely!
Death is the only outcome that explains why they didn't bother to join the search party, and their relaxing into normality at break neck speed that chills the blood.

Usually a period of time is needed for people to come to terms with a death no matter the cause of the death because after all it is a tragic lost of a precious life. In a sense, Dr Ludke probably hit the nail on the head when he said Madeleine's death was planned, and the mccanns had discussed it beforehand. Otherwise how to explain their blood chilling behavior of coming to term with it so quickly, literally the moment they disposed of her, so to speak. The cold-blooded behavior is akin to stranger murder without emotional attachment to the victim.

The reason they feel a compulsive need to come onto National TV to lie and to pretend they were looking for their lost child is a mental sickness. It's their underlying problem all the while and this root cause is the very reason why Maddie met her fate under their hands.

by **PeterMac** 17.04.12 13:38

aiyoyo wrote:Dr Ludke probably hit the nail on the head when he said Madeleine's death was planned, and the mccanns had discussed it beforehand. Otherwise how to explain their blood chilling behavior of coming to term with it so quickly, literally the moment they disposed of her, so to speak. The cold-blooded behavior is akin to stranger murder without emotional attachment to the victim.

That I doubt, frankly.
For me what we saw, and are seeing is
"Thank God they still haven't discovered.... thank God they are looking in completely the wrong direction... thank God everyone has agreed to remain silent..."
Hence the full faced grin involved the cheek muscles and the eyes, rather than a forced 'mouth only' smile.
It is a relaxation and a release from tension.
Again, for me, this is what I think we are seeing in those interviews.
They start with the C-R approved sad face, and must be fearing a difficult question, or the revelation of some knowledge which they thought they alone possessed,
and when the interview becomes anodyne, or the interviewer starts asking about "Sightings' or other things which they know (know), are nonsense, that elation at having got past that particular hurdle forces them into Gerry's grinning and Kate's gurning as she fights to stop herself smiling or laughing.

by aiyoyo 17.04.12 15:04

PeterMac wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:Dr Ludke probably hit the nail on the head when he said Madeleine's death was planned, and the mccanns had discussed it beforehand. Otherwise how to explain their blood chilling behavior of coming to term with it so quickly, literally the moment they disposed of her, so to speak. The cold-blooded behavior is akin to stranger murder without emotional attachment to the victim.
That I doubt, frankly.
For me what we saw, and are seeing is
"Thank God they still haven't discovered.... thank God they are looking in completely the wrong direction... thank God everyone has agreed to remain silent..."
Hence the full faced grin involved the cheek muscles and the eyes, rather than a forced 'mouth only' smile.
It is a relaxation and a release from tension.
Again, for me, this is what I think we are seeing in those interviews.
They start with the C-R approved sad face, and must be fearing a difficult question, or the revelation of some knowledge which they thought they alone possessed,
and when the interview becomes anodyne, or the interviewer starts asking about "Sightings' or other things which they know (know), are nonsense, that elation at having got past that particular hurdle forces them into Gerry's grinning and Kate's gurning as she fights to stop herself smiling or laughing.

I dont get it. Do you mean to say it was accidental death (not planned as Dr Ludke seems to purport) but the mccanns believe they got away with it (so far) and they are dead chuffed with themselves which causes the sudden adrenalin rush giving them a high, hence relief, and therefore the full relaxing grin from jawline to eyes?

So, IYO, do you think that each time they were asked about the "sightings" they were relieved because they truly believed "Thank God they still haven't discovered....Thank God they are looking at the wrong direction", or is their grin just self satisfaction that they got through this round of interview until the next. Or do they truly believe the Police are looking at the wrong direction? They cant be that naive!

Also, on Dr Ludke's point that Maddie's death may have been planned, do you think that is a possibility?
Personally I thought if it was premeditated they have made a complete mess of it, and if not for the media circus they created to shield them, their game would have been over right back in PdL.

by Cristobell 17.04.12 16:06

The availability of the old photo of Maddie in the red dress would lend weight to the premeditated theory, and it would be interesting to see if Dr. Ludka has changed or added to his original opinion.

by Mariita 18.04.12 0:25

Cristobell wrote:The availability of the old photo of Maddie in the red dress would lend weight to the premeditated theory, and it would be interesting to see if Dr. Ludka has changed or added to his original opinion.

In what way does the photo lend weight to the premediated theory? ( I don´t think I´ve seen it yet). About Dr. Lüdke´s opinion today, well my guess is that he might be even more certain of his statements nowadays. The charade has been going on since then. In the interview he described the McCanns behaviour with the same words he probably would use when describing psychopathic or narcissistic behaviour. And this explains of course why they seem so cold in many situations. It´s because they are cold. How else could you go through this circus? Just listen how they talk about Madeleine, it´s as if talking about a thing - an object.....not a human being...a child..their DAUGHTER. How can anyone not see the smirk, the evil grin of Gerry when he is asked about his feeling every time there is a sighting of a girl that could be their daughter??

All this is so very sad, at the same time I feel sooooo angry because it´s an example of how deep-down-rotten some in this world are.

by **tigger** 18.04.12 6:29

Mariita, Christobel is talking about the famous poster photo.
Which was ready within hours of her disappearance.
Which is Maddie (aged about 2.5 yrs. old) at Christmas 2005.
Which had the coloboma added to her eye.

Why would you have such a photo - with a non existent feature - ready and with you on that same night?

There were about 30 to 40 copies of that photograph on high quality paper - which was not available in PdL.

Therefore the conclusion is that this photo was prepared, printed and ready well before 3/5/07. Therefore there was planning.

by Mariita 18.04.12 9:00

Tigger, I just read your reply and immediately an icecold shiver ran down my spine Shocked

That is something I missed...now I don´t get it at all...such a REMARKABLE fact and the police/authorities choose to close their eyes?!? What is it about this couple that they can get away with so much...? Right, manipulative behaviour is also on the psychopath´s checklist - but somehow I get the feeling there is much more going on in this case that is still hidden. Poor poor Madeleine. I want every new day to be the day when justice finally reaches her! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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