Re: Was Madeleine seen after Sunday?

by **Hobs** 14.06.19 3:40

PeterMac wrote:And again a comment stimulates another interesting question.

Were the nannys 'authorised' to undress the 3 and 4 and 5 year old children - in a mixed group - and then strip them after swimming and dry them thoroughly before dressing them again – without parental or other supervision ?

Maybe payne offered to help??

I'll take myself off to the naughty corner bignono

by happybiscuit 06.08.19 18:33

Jill Havern wrote:
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I CHALLENGE anyone to find a statement that could be considered PROOF that Madeleine was alive during the week... Was Madeleine seen after SUNDAY?

I did not come to the conclusion that something may have happened to her earlier in the week on a whim... I discovered some MAJOR discrepancies started happening on Tuesday and researched all the statements to try to pinpoint the day she was last seen... SUNDAY LUNCHTIME!

I have TWO VERY LONG threads collating some of the research. I don't 'guess' I worked hard to try to find ANYTHING that I considered proof... In 6 years or more, I have NEVER found anything...

Note: It doesn't mean she wasn't seen, but there is nothing to prove she was!

1) Title: People that saw Madeleine during the holiday
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2) Title: Did ANYONE see Madeleine during the holiday?
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What I find odd is that the McCann's friends (tapas 7) and their children saw so little of Madeleine during the week, considering that they were there on holiday together. When did each member of tapas 7 actually see Madeliene last? What do they claim?

by **sharonl** 06.08.19 19:45

happybiscuit wrote:
Jill Havern wrote:
Lizzy Hideho Taylor
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‎HiDeHo CONTROVERSY of Madeleine McCann
23 hrs ·

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I CHALLENGE anyone to find a statement that could be considered PROOF that Madeleine was alive during the week... Was Madeleine seen after SUNDAY?

I did not come to the conclusion that something may have happened to her earlier in the week on a whim... I discovered some MAJOR discrepancies started happening on Tuesday and researched all the statements to try to pinpoint the day she was last seen... SUNDAY LUNCHTIME!

I have TWO VERY LONG threads collating some of the research. I don't 'guess' I worked hard to try to find ANYTHING that I considered proof... In 6 years or more, I have NEVER found anything...

Note: It doesn't mean she wasn't seen, but there is nothing to prove she was!

1) Title: People that saw Madeleine during the holiday
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2) Title: Did ANYONE see Madeleine during the holiday?
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What I find odd is that the McCann's friends (tapas 7) and their children saw so little of Madeleine during the week, considering that they were there on holiday together. When did each member of tapas 7 actually see Madeliene last? What do they claim?

Excellent question.

You would expect stories from the friends saying what the kids, including Madeleine got up that week.

There was also the trip to the beach which Madeleine missed because she was, allegedly, in crèche. You would think that, if the party were taking the kids out of crèche to go to the beach Kate and Gerry would have known about it and joined them. Even if they didn't, would the friends have asked their permission to take Madeleine?.

by Guest 06.08.19 20:05

Happy biscuit you will never find evidence of Madeleine after sat/sun
because she was no more ,gone forever,all to save certain peoples
character and a high flying job.
Madeleine was betrayed by politicians and high up police etc,ordinary
cops and top cops know they are being made to look like idiots but alas
none of them have the guts to come clean.

by **sharonl** 06.08.19 20:32

Neither will you find out what the group were doing on Sunday. Even in one of Jane Tanners interviews with Leics Police she is questioned about the holiday but the interviewer says words to the effect of, "no point in discussing this, we will just skim over Sunday".

I would need to find the link to be more certain of what was said, but it was along those lines.

by Guest 06.08.19 21:56

happybiscuit big grin

- brilliant!

What are you .... a digestive a rich tea a ginger snap a chocolate chip or a garibaldi? Whatever I hope you're dunkable.

high5

by **sharonl** 07.08.19 0:04

Verdi wrote:happybiscuit - brilliant!

What are you .... a digestive a rich tea a ginger snap a chocolate chip or a garibaldi? Whatever I hope you're dunkable.

I found him Verdi, with his twin nod

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by Guest 07.08.19 1:43

That's one cool cookie ^^^ thumbsup

by ROSA 09.08.19 14:59

Phoebe wrote:Where I run into problems with death on Sunday is when I consider the enormous unnecessary risks the whole group would have to have been running in trying to pretend Madeleine was there all week when she wasn't.
I can't believe ALL the nannies, tennis coaches and sailing coaches could have been party to this deception. All it would have taken was any of these to ask the children their names so they could address them by name - in a game or coaching session say - and the game would have been up!!
I also cannot believe the Tapas 9 could have behaved normally, played tennis, gone to and from the creche, taken the children to the playground, breakfasted in the Millenium, dined each night, enjoyed socialising in the Tapas Bar etc. with sang froid, all the while knowing they were covering up such a crime.
I cannot understand why they took all the kids to the beach on the very afternoon of the day Madeleine was to go missing. They must have known that the police would home in on that last day and afternoon, yet they removed all their kids, leaving Madeleine supposedly alone in the creche. It just doesn't ring true to me, try as I may.

Considering the entire group all decided to cover up her death on Sunday (in theory) that means they are all criminally involved immediately and the evidence points to a massive cover up which lasted only 4-5 days.

They had to plan out the rest of their stay at the resort and include Madeleine some how so signing her in and out of creche was no big deal Tanners little girl looked so much like Madeleine and by using that child ( in theory ) they could easily fool everyone including all the Nannies and Coaches so was this possible ?
I would say yes

by **Tony Bennett** 09.08.19 15:23

ROSA wrote:

They had to plan out the rest of their stay at the resort and include Madeleine some how so signing her in and out of creche was no big deal. Tanner's little girl looked so much like Madeleine and by using that child (in theory) they could easily fool everyone including all the Nannies and Coaches so was this possible? I would say yes

The facts are that Catriona Baker was in sole charge of the Lobsters Group, in which Madeleine was placed on the Sunday.

Thanks to Netflix, we now have a photo of Madeleine at play with the Lobsters Group on the Sunday morning, in the 'Giant Balloon' session.

The idea that Catriona Baker could be 'fooled' into mistaking 'Tanner's little girl' [Ella O'Brien] (as Lizzy HideHo Taylor has suggested) is fanciful.

Besides this, we have good circumstantial evidence that the McCanns and Cat Baker all knew each other long before the Praia da Luz holiday.

Undoubtedly the creche records of the Lobsters group were forged.

All it needed for this to happen is for Cat Baker to organise the fake entries, no doubt with help of some of the Tapas9 group and also of course with the top brass at Mark Warner and the Ocean Club. Such a forgery needed to be authorised at a high level. The best excuse we can make for Cat Baker is that she was 'obeying orders'

by ROSA 09.08.19 15:35

Thank you Tony for clearing everything up for me I really appreciate it .
Tony wrote
Thanks to Netflix, we now have a photo of Madeleine at play with the Lobsters Group on the Sunday morning, in the 'Giant Balloon' session.
Could you please inform me where I can see the image please ?
THANKS IN ADVANCE

by **Jill Havern** 09.08.19 15:38

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It's actually a parachute pic rather than balloon I think.

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by Guest 09.08.19 16:04

It's a hot air balloon donated by Virgin aeronautics big grin

.

On that note - I'm now walking away ....

by **Tony Bennett** 09.08.19 19:12

ROSA wrote:Thank you Tony for clearing everything up for me I really appreciate it .
Tony wrote
Thanks to Netflix, we now have a photo of Madeleine at play with the Lobsters Group on the Sunday morning, in the 'Giant Balloon' session.
Could you please inform me where I can see the image please ?
THANKS IN ADVANCE

I think I tried to Google 'Netflix' 'Madeleine' 'McCann' 'photo' 'balloon' - and if you do that, all the articles about Netflix appear and most of them have the image we are talking about within their articles.

As a matter of interest, some of the papers do state that the photograph was taken on the Sunday - which agrees entirely with what we know about the weather that week (and with the creche records)

by **sharonl** 09.08.19 20:12

Who is in this photograph?

Can we be 100% certain that Madeleine is there? Who is with her?

Could this photograph have been taken later?

by **Ladyinred** 09.08.19 20:29

I too am sceptical of the veracity of this photo.

Is that really CB? Looks like an older woman to me.

by Guest 10.08.19 1:01

The photograph didn't see the light of day until the Netflix film.

If it was/is authentic, i.e. Madeleine McCann pictured with other children and Catriona Baker, it would have been splashed across the headlines years ago.

I'd go so far as to say, it would feature somewhere in the PJ files.

A witness statement was taken during the rogatory process in April 2008, there was no mention of anything related by Neil Berry in the Netflix film.

Why was Neil Berry used for the Netflix production? On the surface he was not in any way concerned or involved with the case.

Maybe they made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Whatever, this photograph doesn't signify.

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by Guest 10.08.19 22:13

Your point is?

by **sharonl** 22.10.23 9:32

Bumping

by **Silentscope** 31.10.23 21:57

Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.

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by **Silentscope** 06.11.23 9:35

If it was not Madeleine that Maria saw, who was it then?

Was she mistaken, or duped by a Doppelgänger?

by **Tony Bennett** 06.11.23 10:31

Silentscope wrote:If it was not Madeleine that Maria saw, who was it then?

Was she mistaken, or duped by a Doppelgänger?

Probably Russell O'Brien and his daughter

by **Silentscope** 06.11.23 11:09

I see CMOMM have older threads from 2010 and using your own observations as well as kikkoran and Hideho’s posts there is more than enough Evidence that something is not quite right.

It all seems to hinge on the Crèche records Authenticity, and Nanny Cats Statement so far…

thinking

Please check your PM on Crying evidence.

by Guest 06.11.23 11:50

Silentscope wrote:Please check your PM on Crying evidence.

Is this not something you can share with members on the open forum?

Aside, I thought the purpose of this rekindling of opinion and theory was to regenerate new interest and thus new discussion with fresh minds - all that's going on now is a reiteration of very old stuffy dusty time worn thoughts of industrial scale conspiracy.

The only way to move forward is to present and encourage challenges, not offer blind subservience.

Such a pity it all adds fuel to the McCann support network that marks former chief of police, Gonçalo Amaral and his team as incompetent sardine munching cops.

I like to think the police chief heading the investigation knows a bit, a lot, more about the case detail than the average cybersleuth.

NB: I am totally opposed to supporting anyone who is trying to make money on the back of a missing three year old child - almost certainly no longer of this world. I'm also totally opposed to stalking and prying into the lives of innocent people just for the sake of 'building a theory', if there be proof out there of some individual misdemeanor then bring it on - until then leave people be.

R.I.P. Madeleine McCann singlerose

by **crusader** 06.11.23 12:55

Tony bennett wrote in answer to Silentscope "if it wasn't Madeleine that Maria saw, who was it"

Probably Russell O'Brien and his daughter

It can't have been Russell and his daughter, they were in the Paraiso restaurant during the high tea.

by **Silentscope** 06.11.23 15:56

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Everyone else was there at 17:30 APART from the McCann family.
Which is why the ‘High Tea’ either happened or did not?

by Guest 06.11.23 16:38

The Ocean Club childcare facility was open to all guests staying at the resort, not only the McCann family and their group of friends, it was within the job description for a childcare worker they take the children to the outside area of the Tapas Bar for 'high tea', as it was known, every afternoon.

There is no rational reason to suppose the 'high tea' didn't occur on Thursday 3rd May 2007, then there is the rest of the week to consider. The PJ would have investigated every aspect of Madeleine's movements during the week and that of her family, in addition to staff and guests. - there is no room for manoeuvre.

There is however another question about the timing, which is:

' The last time the child was seen outside of the GROUP, by someone that can prove that moment, it was around 17h:35m, when the parents went to fetch her from the Creche, which can enlarge the gap of time, between the disappearance and the alarm, to four hours.

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