Claim by 'Stevo' - "CEOP show Maddie is missing on 30th April 2007"

Tony Bennett wrote:

canada12 wrote:Tony, I love your Statement by the Chief Executive Officer of Wayback Machine


PS... I'm a "she" :-))

@ canada12    I was glad to see the Way Off CEO drawing attention to your post yesterday. I have absolutely no doubt, however, that indeed he will in due course totally demolish and raze to the ground, blow to smithereens etc. your case that WayBack was accurate in this case.

I have just seen this further statement from the Way Off CEO:

Further statement

Timed at 9.30am, 23 June (subject to ratification by the Board of Way Off)

I regret that in my earlier statement I referred to 'canada 12' as 'he' and not, as it should have been, 'she'.

In accordance with our revised Data Revision policy, Para 30.4, 'Correction of Embarrassing Records Mistakes', you will see that I have taken steps to alter the original data in the post above and also make consequential amendments in later posts.

I apologise for this further error and thank you for giving us the opportunity to put things right.

Way Off Machine CEO

Gaggzy wrote:

Ah, but according to WBM, on APRIL 30 2007, canada12 was a 'he.'

Tony Bennett wrote:

Gaggzy wrote:

Ah, but according to WBM, on APRIL 30 2007, canada12 was a 'he.'

I knew I'd got this from somewhere

xxxxxxxxx wrote:Look at the very first post on this topic - click on the link.

Explain why May is missing?

Richard D. Hall wrote:An observation I would like to make is the lack of reporting of this in mainstream media.  When one considers how eager mainstream have been to report continually on their front pages in huge letters to millions of people, the slightest piece of unsubstantiated hearsay on the case. It really does demonstrate their modus operandi when they ignore a potentially game changing story like this.  Whatever side of the fence you are on at this time - surely it is news?  For two and a half hours it seemed there was proof, confirmed in an email by a highly reliable organisation that CEOP must have known about Madeleine McCann on or before 30th April 2007.  This fact, if it is true would have shown the whole official story to be a pack of lies, something which millions of people now suspect.  Then there was a second statement by  the same organisation claiming they got it wrong, and are now working to fix the issue.  Many people understandably do not believe the second statement for a range of different reasons.   Looking at ALL our mainstream publications - it is as if nothing has happened.    A simple internet search for "CEOP 30th April Madeleine McCann" reveals there is no mainstream coverage of this issue.  

There would have been no risk of libel for the mainstream with this issue.   They could have reported it and sat on the fence.  All they had to do was publish both the emails, then provide links to all the debate and discussion and perhaps get a few interviews with people on either side of the issue.  But they chose to ignore it.  

In my opinion they chose to ignore it because even bringing attention to this story would open the public's minds to the facts of the case.  Facts which MSM have been helping to bury for the last 8 years.

Doug D wrote:Sorry, but I got the impression that ‘Stevo’ had conceded defeat, but he has posted this this afternoon on HideHo FB thread, 4 hours ago, so he clearly hasn't:
 
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I've been using the wayback machine for years. It's rock solid. Going back in to tweak this data is like fiddling the books. You're right [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. There is too much data in the wayback machine to corroborate this find. If you look at all the news channels on 9/11 there is every website but also every video covering the entire day. Going back to tweak things is like falsifying evidence.
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Tony Bennett wrote: Statement by the Chief Executive Officer of Wayback Machine

The CEOP Website

Statement released by the Chief Executive Officer of the Way Out Machine (formerly  the Wayback Machine) at 0700 hours BST, 23 June 2015 (time and date subject to confirmation)

On 16 June 2015, a British citizen by the name of Stephen Marsden interrogated the Way Out Machine about the website of a British organisation, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP).

We returned to him the following information:

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On the above date (30 April 2007), a Mr Jim Gamble was the Director of CEOP.

The following day, a Miss Isabelle Mary McFadden sought to confirm that the information was accurate, and our former Office Manager, Christopher Butler, confirmed that this was so at 9.47am. He actually gave out two print-outs of the accompanying pages which had been crawled. Butler referred to, even boasted of, ‘several attorneys a week seeking our services'. He did so given our previous, fabled reputation for accuracy - which has been regularly relied on in court proceedings the world over and resulted in many persons being convicted and, on occasions, jailed.

Due to the timely intervention of a Ms Lizzie Taylor the same day, however, it suddenly dawned on Mr Butler that, on this occasion, the result returned to Mr Marsden was in error.

First of all, both timestamps on the record returned to Mr Marsden were plain wrong.

And the actual archive date for the ‘mccann html’ page was 31 July 2007, not 30 April 2007.  
 
We apologise sincerely for having made this error which led to so many people wasting their precious time on pointless and sometimes angry debates on the internet.

So let me make these things crystal clear.

There never was a ‘mccann html’ page on the CEOP website on or before 30 April 2007.

It was clearly set up and live by the time it was archived on 31 July. But not on 30 April.

The two timestamps were errors.

Our web crawler clearly malfunctioned in a serious way and we are still working out why that happened, how to fix it, and how many other times it has malfunctioned in similar or other ways.

Until we are able to fully satisfy the internet authorities that we have permanently fixed this problem and corrected all the data on our system, they have directed us to re-title our business the ‘Way Out Machine’, giving a more accurate description of the current position of our archive.

Finally, it is unhelpful, ludicrous and very hurtful for posters like canada12 to keep insisting that we were correct after all. She wrote yesterday:

“Through all of these pages and pages of arguments and counter-arguments I'm afraid my initial assessment of the situation still stands. This was a genuine capture of an April 30 page that was not made public. There were going to be two photos but only one was in place. I believe the second photo had a placeholder in place, so that the second photo could be inserted when provided. There were links to pdf's of posters, which could also be uploaded when provided. Until I see something that convinces me otherwise, that's where my opinion lies. There was no error on WBM's part. It was accurate”.

It really is time that this sort of utter nonsense ceases. Of course we were wrong. Though we have never admitted it previously, of course we are always making errors.

It is of no assistance to us at all if people now keep insisting that our web crawler is right all the time. Plainly it is not. Any further insistence that our web crawler doesn’t make mistakes and that our time stamps are always correct may face legal action. Leave us alone until we find out what went wrong.    
   
We thank you all for your patience and understanding. When we have fully sorted this, we will put out a statement. Following that, we will make an application to the internet authorities to allow us to revert to our previous name, the ‘Wayback Machine’.

In the meantime, find us on Twitter at the hashtag #WayOutMachine

Way Out CEO

XXXXXXXX wrote:@ Richard D. Hall Today at 6:19 pm

you mean like the MSM have ignored your vidoes that Mr Bennett says have had xzillion views?

XXXXXXXX wrote:"Tony Bennett Today at 9:29 pm

Actually, no they haven't ignored them, because when Jenny Kleeman, who does freelance work for Murdoch's SKY News and the Guardian inter alia, heard about the success of Hall's videos, she:

* viewed them, later stating she found them 'interesting' and 'intriguing'

* pitched a possible documentary to the Guardian editor - and he liked the idea and said 'Go ahead'

* then e-mailed Richard Hall and asked if she could film at one of his meetings - he said 'No'

* then took herself and a cameraman up to Nottingham where Hall had one of his tour meetings, and talked to his followers on the street outside

* and went on to talk to several McCann-doubters about their views."

Of course you have links/evidence to prove all that?

YES - it is all recorded here on this forum in many posts about Jenny Kleeman's proposed film 

Are you saying that MSM (mainstream media) means one person taking an interest (apparently - but unproven) that has never been published isn't
"ignored"?

LISTEN - this thread is for members and guests to discuss the great debate about whether or not Wayback was accurate in capturing a 'mccann' html page on CEOP on 30 April 2007. Either discuss that - or go