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Post by Nina 14.06.15 12:52

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Post by jeanmonroe 14.06.15 13:16

'rumour' has it J Mc, who resigned from the Madeleine's 'fund', board of directors, is not on this 'cycle challenge' for 'the fun of it'.
He's 'there' as a 'chaperone' to 'hot lips' Healy and Webster to er, prevent 'leakage', as Hobs would say, ('loose lips, sink ships' and all that.)
Just a 'rumour' until, possibly, 'firmed up'.

J Mc possibly 'there' to 'prevent' another KM, outside Lisbon court, um, 'outburst/tirade'?

Not saying, just saying.
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Post by jeanmonroe 14.06.15 13:36

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Missing People offer a lifeline for the 250,000 people who run away and go missing each year. For those left behind we provide specialised support to ease the heartache and confusion, and help search for their missing loved ones.
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".......and HELP SEARCH for their missing loved ones"

Have MP ever 'searched' for Madeleine?

Presumeably they will have a 'record' of their specific 'searching' for Madeleine, over the last 8 years, won't they?

The thing is, WHY would MP even 'bother' to 'search', for Madeleine, when Madeleine's own parents have stated, publicly, and in print, that they 'were glad the investigation' (into Madeleine's 'disappearance') WAS CLOSED'?

And it 'didn't matter' to them, if the investigation, was ever, re-opened.

What do MP, real volunteers, and real people who have missing family members, 'make' of those two statements, by a MP 'ambassador'?

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Post by tinkier 14.06.15 13:55

And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.




Joss……it seems CEOP and Missing People UK are members http://www.amberalert.eu/Members.aspx
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Post by Joss 14.06.15 14:13

tinkier wrote:And how does this particular child alert system in the U.K. affect what happened to MBM who went missing in Portugal? A most unusual case in itself, because i believe children of parents that holiday abroad rarely turn up missing? I can't think of too many cases like that offhand. But i guess if like the McC's you leave 3 very small children to fend for themselves in an otherwise empty holiday apartment while the parents are out having a good time, then is it any big surprise if something tragic happens? Maybe K. McC should be advocating for such systems in foreign countries seeing as her own child went missing in Portugal and not the U.K.




Joss……it seems CEOP and Missing People UK are members http://www.amberalert.eu/Members.aspx
Thanks for the Info. & the link Tink, smilie

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Post by mysterion 14.06.15 14:45

Can`t do a link from my tablet but the comments on the Daily Express article of yesterday are worth a read. The link is prominent on Google search.
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Post by willowthewisp 14.06.15 15:15

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Perhaps Goncalo Amaral could use the argument in court of how unhelpful the Tapas 9 friends were any appeal,produce their statements as they are case files of what the truth was according to their statements, as I am sure no one forced them to behave the way they did since 3 May 2007, pact of Silence, eh Clarence, just friends recollections of their recent holiday held in a secret Golf course, when they were not to talk about the case!?
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mysterion wrote:Can`t do a link from my tablet but the comments on the Daily Express article of yesterday are worth a read. The link is prominent on Google search.
A link is posted on page 7 of this thread.
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Post by Tony Bennett 14.06.15 16:48

jeanmonroe wrote:Rumour has it that John McCann, who resigned from the Madeleine's Fund Board of Directors, is not on this cycle challenge for 'the fun of it'. He's there as a chaperone to [Kate McCann and Fiona Payne]...
And here is John McCann, tucking into his roast beef and Yorkshire pudding:

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And more from the most-publicised bike ride in the UK since the Tour de France came to England:

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PLUS pics of two happy celebrity bike riders:

LANCE ARMSTRONG

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by garfy 14.06.15 17:25

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aww.......what a happy little sole k mcc is .not a care in the world .has she
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Nina wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584251/Madeleine-McCann-mum-Kate-500-mile-Missing-People-bike-ride
Wow... Do have a look.  44 comments, including one from PeterMac  clapping

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Nina wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584251/Madeleine-McCann-mum-Kate-500-mile-Missing-People-bike-ride
Wow... Do have a look.  44 comments, including one from PeterMac  clapping

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No thanks...

"...perfect murder executed..."

That opinion is not shared by the majority here.

PeterMacs post scuppered by a scurrilous accusation.

Problem-reaction-solution.

There is a game going on here.
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Post by Tony Bennett 14.06.15 21:15

BlueBag wrote:
There is a game going on here.
Yes - and with extraordinarily high stakes

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by PeterMac 14.06.15 22:16

BlueBag wrote:
"...perfect murder executed..."
That opinion is not shared by the majority here.

PeterMacs post scuppered by a scurrilous accusation.
Not sure it is entirely "scuppered"
It was on the list of hypotheses put forward in the early days by the PJ team, when they had open minds.
I personally do not think this is the correct word to use.
Constructive manslaughter by deliberate and calculated and repeated and ADMITTED negligence being slightly closer !
But probably not QUITE close enough

http://e-lawresources.co.uk/Constructive-manslaughter.php
Edmund Davies LJ in Church:
"the unlawful act must be such as all sober and reasonable people would inevitably recognise must subject the other person to, at least, the risk of some harm resulting therefrom, albeit not serious harm."

and a lot later in the diatribe
"Consequently it need only be established that the defendant had the mens rea of the unlawful act committed. There is no requirement of mens rea in relation to the ensuing death."


Unlike in Portugal, where there IS. This is why they were not charged with Wilful Abandonment.
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Post by Rogue-a-Tory 14.06.15 23:46

garfy wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:


DR KATE McCANN

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Fi with plaited pigtails - David will just love that.
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Post by jeanmonroe 15.06.15 0:24

Has anyone managed to find out the names of the other 17/21 'riders' on this 'adventure'(KM)?

So, that's Edinburgh and Newcastle 'searched' for Madeleine, sadly with no 'discovery' of her.

Perhaps she'll be found 'hiding' in York Minster, tomorrow, before they leave for Nottingham.

Keep 'em peeled, 'uncle' John, Kate, Fi.

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Post by Guest 15.06.15 7:48

PeterMac wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
"...perfect murder executed..."
That opinion is not shared by the majority here.

PeterMacs post scuppered by a scurrilous accusation.
Not sure it is entirely "scuppered"
It was on the list of hypotheses put forward in the early days by the PJ team, when they had open minds.
I personally do not think this is the correct word to use.
Constructive manslaughter by deliberate and calculated and repeated and ADMITTED negligence being slightly closer !
But probably not QUITE close enough

http://e-lawresources.co.uk/Constructive-manslaughter.php
Edmund Davies LJ in Church:
"the unlawful act must be such as all sober and reasonable people would inevitably recognise must subject the other person to, at least, the risk of some harm resulting therefrom, albeit not serious harm."

and a lot later in the diatribe
"Consequently it need only be established that the defendant had the mens rea of the unlawful act committed. There is no requirement of mens rea in relation to the ensuing death."


Unlike in Portugal, where there IS.  This is why they were not charged with Wilful Abandonment.
Whatever happened there is zero evidence she was deliberately killed.

We have to be careful and precise about what we say otherwise we won't last long.

Accusations of murder are ammunition for the other side.

I notice Basil Brush has attached some nonsense to your second post. Apparently she was murdered by Saville and the 9th Circle whoever they are.

What a game.
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Post by PeterMac 15.06.15 7:57

Two tireless Charity workers.

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Post by PeterMac 15.06.15 8:00

BlueBag wrote:
Whatever happened there is zero evidence she was deliberately killed.
We have to be careful and precise about what we say otherwise we won't last long.
Accusations of murder are ammunition for the other side.
I notice Basil Brush has attached some nonsense to your second post. Apparently she was murdered by Saville and the 9th Circle whoever they are.
What a game.
They did allow my second comment,

PeterMac9 hours ago
I don't think anyone who has read the evidence believes they killed Madeleine. And your use of that word is therefore inappropriate. I think, subject to correction, that most people tend towards the view that Madeleine may have died accidentally, perhaps by falling onto the marble floor behind the sofa, and that the parents then made a bad decision in concealing this, rather than admitting they had not been checking the children, as they subsequently claimed. Other parents have made that bad decision before, and will no doubt do so again.
I think his second reply 'scuppers' him.
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Post by rustyjames 15.06.15 9:27

jeanmonroe wrote:Has anyone managed to find out the names of the other 17/21 'riders' on this 'adventure'(KM)?

5 are from CIL Management Consultants, some of which have apparently had to buy bikes just to take part....

http://www.cilconsultants.com/friday-5th-june-cil-cycling-missing-people/
http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/team/CIL_MP_Cycle_Challenge_2015
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Post by PeterMac 15.06.15 10:29

If Kate #McCann falls off her bike, who will she call first?

a) Sky News
b) Clarence Mitchell
c) An ambulance

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"Cheer up John, we're on a cycling holiday"

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Post by Tony Bennett 15.06.15 11:11

Dr Kate McCann, Good Morning, ITV, 15 June 2015


'It’s inevitable I will be thinking of Madeleine'


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Obviously I can’t give any investigation details out but let’s just say we’re really encouraged. There has been a lot of progress in the last six months, plus last year. The co-operation between the UK and the Portuguese seems to be really good which is really positive for us and I can say there is progress being made.



Kate McCann, mother of missing Madeleine, is taking part in a bike ride from Edinburgh to London to raise awareness and funds for the charities Missing People and Child Rescue Alert. The team plan to cycle 500 miles in five days, and we're catching up with them on day three.

Eight years since Madeleine McCann disappeared, a child is reported missing every five minutes in the UK (National Crime Agency figures 2012/13) - 89% of those missing incidents are resolved within 48 hours.

Child Rescue Alert is a UK-wide alerting system to secure the safe return of the most vulnerable missing children - the charity currently have 556 live appeals.

Kate tells us that she is 'encouraged' by the developments in the search for her missing daughter, and that when times get tough she'll be saying "I’m doing this for Madeleine, I’m doing this for all missing children.”


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